Britain's Ban on Racist BDS: baddies & goodies speak out (video)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_mMF8GcmKY

Historically, Have Boycotts Ever Really Worked -- And What Does That Mean For BDS and Israel?

With all the talk of boycotts, especially talk of the BDS movement against Israel, it has been a given that boycotts work. So leave it to Freakonomics to ask the question: Do Boycotts Work?. The entire broadcast is embedded below at the end of this post, but there are some key points worth highlighting.

The podcast starts with the Montgomery Bus Boycott in response to the treatment of Rosa Parks, quoting a political scientist on the difficulty of tracing a causal connection between the boycott and the Supreme Court decision declaring bus segregation to be unconstitutional:

the bus company was ready to cave in early. It was the politicians who held out. The holdout was followed by more and more press coverage, which was followed by the Supreme Court case, which was followed by desegregation of the Montgomery buses. So how much credit should be given to the boycott?

The bus on which en:Rosa Parks refused to give up her seat sparking the  Montgomery Bus Boycott Credit: Rmhermen, Wiki Commons

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Another boycott with even more questionable effect is the one carried out against Chic-fil-A, where the boycott led to a pushback -- a buycott -- which had the opposite effect of leading to record-breaking sales numbers for the company. Buycotts have been used to counter boycotts of Israel as well.

Which leads to what is arguably the mother of all boycotts: the boycott against South Africa, which is generally assumed to have had a significant effect on change in that country. After all, the boycotts and divestments called for against South Africa were wide-ranging and intensive. According to Ivo Welch, a professor of economics and finance at the Anderson School at UCLA:
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In the early 1980s and before then, it was a very large movement to divest all sorts of holdings and break all sorts of business and sports ties with South Africa. South Africa, at the time, had an apartheid regime that was institutionalized racism and about as abominable as it gets. So there were a lot of protests by students on campuses — at Columbia, which is where I was at the time. There were sit-ins. There was a big movement to divest the pension holdings. Banks actually had to have different requirements if they wanted to invest in South Africa. The tax laws were changed. There were all sorts of coordinated actions that were not just in the United States, but all over the world, all designed to bring the South African regime to its knees. Or to at least have an influence on the perception of the public about South Africa.

Credit: Djembayz, Wiki Commons

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But Welch is not convinced that boycotts had a significant effect. He was involved in a 1999 study in of the South African boycott that concluded:
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In sum, despite the publicity of the boycott and the multitude of divesting companies, political pressure had little visible effect on the financial markets.

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Why not?

Because despite the public outrage and the apparent vigorousness with which it was pursued, the boycott was never fully enforced and it was relatively easy to get around it. Not only was the divestment movement relatively ineffectual, the South African companies were not really hurt -- the minute one stockholder got rid of his shares, there was always someone else willing to snap them up.

This of course is relevant to the issue of anti-Israel boycotts too, and how effective they can actually be.

Another question of course is how boycotts targeting Israel can have a negative effect on the Palestinian Arabs who are employed by Israeli companies. This can be assessed by comparing to another example of a boycott. During 2003, there was a backlash against the French who refused to support the US during the war to get rid of Saddam Hussein. That is when people referred to French fries as “freedom fries” -- and others starting boycotting Le Cirque, the famous French restaurant in New York.

The problem? The French restaurant was actually owned by Italians. 90% of its employees were New Yorkers, who themselves were from all over the world. The restaurant suppliers were likewise from all over. The boycotters completely missed their target -- and hurt others.

So if the effectiveness of boycotts is so uncertain, why are they still being used as a tool of protest? The answer to that may be pretty straightforward, and have as much to do with those publicizing boycotts as with those actually carrying then out:
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boycotts get a lot of attention — they’re a good, easy, spicy story for journalists to cover — which gives the impression that the outrage is larger than it really is.

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That is why on more than one occasion the BDS has been accused of jumping the gun and bragging about divestments from Israel based on their influence, when in fact purely business considerations were involved.

This smaller impact of boycotts is consistent with the general failure of the anti-Israel BDS movement, where their greatest influence is with institutions driven by emotion as opposed to those whose actions are dictated by rules and results. As Alex Joffee notes, Healthy Institutions Don’t Boycott Israel.
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• Global industries have shown no interest in excluding Israel. Instead investment in Israel is rising, especially from Asia -- and even trade with Europe is continuing.
  
• Universities and corporations have not sold their stocks in companies doing business in Israel, such as like Intel or Caterpillar -- claims by the BDS movement to the contrary
  
• The backlash against boycotts is growing at the state level, where legislators in Florida, California, Ohio, Illinois and South Carolina are proposing laws to prohibit anti-Israel discrimination by state agencies
  
• In Europe, the Conservative Party in Great Britain proposed restrictions on local councils and pension funds from discriminating against Israel based on political grounds.
  
• Despite successes where the BDS movement has manipulated the passage of boycott and divestment resolutions by student governments, the university administrations have denounced the resolutions rather than follow suit.
  

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All one has to do is  read the list on UK Media Watch for specific examples of failures of the anti-Israel BDS movement in the political, economic and cultural areas.

This is not to say that boycotts have zero impact or that boycotts directed against specific companies cannot have an effect, but the bottom line is that there is no way to really know how much effect a boycott can have:
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Here’s what the evidence seems to suggest: The typical boycott is more smoke than fire. And it doesn’t often seem to financially hurt the targeted company. But, humans being human, and the court of public opinion working as it does, a boycott can color the reputation of a given firm..

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There is nothing here that is going to dissuade anyone who is intent on boycotting -- or to convince anyone opposing it to just sit back and ignore it.

But by the very least, here is an opportunity to rationally view the history and concept of boycotts without the hype, especially when it comes to the BDS movement against Israel.[/size]

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Using your consumer rights is now antisemitism. HA HA!

Fuzzy Zack wrote:Using your consumer rights is now antisemitism. HA HA!

Through organisations, indeed it is if you target a specific nationality

I keep telling you that you are racist as well lol

Now you have the proof

Fuzzy Zack wrote:Using your consumer rights is now antisemitism. HA HA!

Talking about this on Twitter last night, loads of people saying, never looked to see where stuff came from before, they are going to now, and they won't be buying stuff from Israel.  Real backfire this is going to be lol

What when only 12% back a boycott, yeah those racists made up of Muslims and left wing regressives look like idiots lol

Loads of people, Bullshit, most never look where products come from. Your making up thing again.

nicko wrote:Loads of people,   Bullshit,   most never look where products come from.   Your making up thing again.

Exactly as the same liar poster has stated categorically where she buys here olive oil from

They just hate the fact people are stamping down on racism

Didge wrote:

Fuzzy Zack wrote:Using your consumer rights is now antisemitism. HA HA!

Through organisations, indeed it is if you target a specific nationality

I keep telling you that you are racist as well lol

Now you have the proof

Am I an organisation? Lol! Thanks.

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Didge wrote:


Through organisations, indeed it is if you target a specific nationality

I keep telling you that you are racist as well lol

Now you have the proof

Am I an organisation? Lol! Thanks.

No just a racist twat lol

Didge wrote:

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Am I an organisation? Lol! Thanks.

No just a racist twat lol

Who's made you grumpy Didge?

You were doing so well with your New Years resolution. What or who made you fail?

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Didge wrote:


No just a racist twat lol

Who's made you grumpy Didge?

You were doing so well with your New Years resolution. What or who made you fail?

Not grump at all zack, I am just going to treat racist idiots as they should be treated

Well resolutions are broken by many people, not going to lose any sleep over it and in your case its faqr more fun

Didge wrote:

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Who's made you grumpy Didge?

You were doing so well with your New Years resolution. What or who made you fail?

Not grump at all zack, I am just going to treat racist idiots as they should be treated

Well resolutions are broken by many people, not going to lose any sleep over it and in your case its faqr more fun

So your resolve is so weak that some person online can smash it. HA HA!

Told you you were my bitch.

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Didge wrote:


Not grump at all zack, I am just going to treat racist idiots as they should be treated

Well resolutions are broken by many people, not going to lose any sleep over it and in your case its faqr more fun

So your resolve is so weak that some person online can smash it. HA HA!

Told you you were my bitch.

My resolve to deal with racist scum is far greater.

Ah back to thinking women are weak and thus sexist again

Typical Muslim, as they think women are weak and second to men also

The issue is here publically-funded organisations arranging boycotts on the grounds of nationality, which is apparently not lawful. I'm not sure how the Governement gets away with sanctions against certain countries then. An organisation which is not publically funded can boycott who or what they like.

It's not antisemitic to boycott Israel, and there is nothing to stop individuals boycotting anything they don't agree with, including a particular country. If a publically-funded organisation procures products from Israel, the members are free to reject those products.

I don't know if boycotts work or make a difference, but they certainly make individual people feel better in that they're not contributing to the profits of the country/organisation they're boycotting.

Raggamuffin wrote:The issue is here publically-funded organisations arranging boycotts on the grounds of nationality, which is apparently not lawful. I'm not sure how the Governement gets away with sanctions against certain countries then. An organisation which is not publically funded can boycott who or what they like.

It's not antisemitic to boycott Israel, and there is nothing to stop individuals boycotting anything they don't agree with, including a particular country. If a publically-funded organisation procures products from Israel, the members are free to reject those products.

I don't know if boycotts work or make a difference, but they certainly make individual people feel better in that they're not contributing to the profits of the country/organisation they're boycotting.

Nobody claimed antisemitic but its certainly racist to as said boycott a nationality
Its making all the people whether Israeli Jews, Arabs etc culpable for the acts of a government.
They dont generally work, but what is disgusting is how a group blatantly ignore nations that commit the worst human rights abuses and single out the only nation in the Middle East that has far more rights for Arabs than any Arab majority nation.
If people feel better for being racist, what does that say.

Even the boycott for SA effected the Black South Africans, hence why such measures are a discriminating method. Also what ended apartheid was change came from within and then sought reconciliation.
You do not combat a claim to discrimination by being the same, that is the worst double standards

The video mentioned antisemitism.

You also claimed it was antisemitic Didge.

It's also not racist to boycott Israel.

Raggamuffin wrote:The video mentioned antisemitism.

It's also not racist to boycott Israel.

Of course its racist, as you are taking a view to boycott a nationality, making all culpable.
So you would be fine to boycott an African nation, simply because they are African then?
As this is the case here, Israel is being targeted to boycott Israeli's not just in consumer goods, but academics, sports etc.
That is racism plain and simple

I disagree that it's racist.

Raggamuffin wrote:I disagree that it's racist.

Your input is not only insignificant but completely wrong

Plus you cannot counter my points as to why

Meh. I've given my opinion, and it's perfectly valid.

Raggamuffin wrote:Meh. I've given my opinion, and it's perfectly valid.

You reasoned naff all as per usual
First you would have to reason why for example that you would boycott Israel alone and on what grounds.
For example, if you are going to boycott them due to the occupation of the West Bank, would then turn around and say why are you not applying the same to Morocco, Turkey, China etc?

Hence your replies offered nothing to back your view why its okay to discriminate against a nationality.

I think I'll boycott Didge and discuss this with others - if anyone has anything else to say.

Raggamuffin wrote:I think I'll boycott Didge and discuss this with others - if anyone has anything else to say.

You got owned so best you bug off child, as if you cannot refute my points, you have nothing further to add, of which I will ensure happens

nicko wrote:Loads of people,   Bullshit,   most never look where products come from.   Your making up thing again.

They might if they feel strongly enough. I shall boycott products from Zimbabwe.

Raggamuffin wrote:

nicko wrote:Loads of people,   Bullshit,   most never look where products come from.   Your making up thing again.

They might if they feel strongly enough. I shall boycott products from Zimbabwe.

Which is also racist and would effect the whites also that live there

Showing you think combating discrimination is to discriminate

The sign of a true idiot

Raggamuffin wrote:The video mentioned antisemitism.

You also claimed it was antisemitic Didge.

It's also not racist to boycott Israel.

You're quite right the the video in the OP attempts to link antisemitism or racism with a political agenda.

That's why claims of racism is so pathetic that even Didge is trying to distance himself from this by claiming it's actually anti-nationalism that is racist. HA HA!

Boycotts do work Rags, that's why there is a drive from certain politicians to make BDS illegal.

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:The video mentioned antisemitism.

You also claimed it was antisemitic Didge.

It's also not racist to boycott Israel.

You're quite right the the video in the OP attempts to link antisemitism or racism with a political agenda.

That's why claims of racism is so pathetic that even Didge is trying to distance himself from this by claiming it's actually anti-nationalism that is racist. HA HA!

Boycotts do work Rags, that's why there is a drive from certain politicians to make BDS illegal.

Ahh the little runt still trying to now avoid me in debate knowing that it is racist to single out a nationality

The BDS is made up of left wing and Muslim racist ignorant twats and the country is waking up to them

Again, you do not combat a claim to discrimination by discriminating

Next he will be telling me you cannot be racist towards the Irish, a nationality

lol what a thick Muslim

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:The video mentioned antisemitism.

You also claimed it was antisemitic Didge.

It's also not racist to boycott Israel.

You're quite right the the video in the OP attempts to link antisemitism or racism with a political agenda.

That's why claims of racism is so pathetic that even Didge is trying to distance himself from this by claiming it's actually anti-nationalism that is racist. HA HA!

Boycotts do work Rags, that's why there is a drive from certain politicians to make BDS illegal.

Exactly, that's whey they worked against S.Africa.

sassy wrote:

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

You're quite right the the video in the OP attempts to link antisemitism or racism with a political agenda.

That's why claims of racism is so pathetic that even Didge is trying to distance himself from this by claiming it's actually anti-nationalism that is racist. HA HA!

Boycotts do work Rags, that's why there is a drive from certain politicians to make BDS illegal.

Exactly, that's whey they worked against S.Africa.

It did not work against South Africa and even that was discrimination also

South Africa changed from within

Only a racist Nazi vile scum would back discrimination as a means to racially target a nation

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:The video mentioned antisemitism.

You also claimed it was antisemitic Didge.

It's also not racist to boycott Israel.

You're quite right the the video in the OP attempts to link antisemitism or racism with a political agenda.

That's why claims of racism is so pathetic that even Didge is trying to distance himself from this by claiming it's actually anti-nationalism that is racist. HA HA!

Boycotts do work Rags, that's why there is a drive from certain politicians to make BDS illegal.

Yes, there's definitely a link being made between boycotting Israel and antisemitism. I don't think that's a valid argument really.

I'm not sure about the motive for banning boycotts re publically-funded organisations. Does it apply to all boycotts or "political" issues, and if so, on what grounds? Is it because such an organisations cannot speak for all the people who have contributed financially - ie, the tax payers?

I'm a bit torn really because I remember when some councils banned people from hunting with dogs on council land - something which I supported - but then they were told they weren't allowed to do that because they were public bodies.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

You're quite right the the video in the OP attempts to link antisemitism or racism with a political agenda.

That's why claims of racism is so pathetic that even Didge is trying to distance himself from this by claiming it's actually anti-nationalism that is racist. HA HA!

Boycotts do work Rags, that's why there is a drive from certain politicians to make BDS illegal.

Yes, there's definitely a link being made between boycotting Israel and antisemitism. I don't think that's a valid argument really.  

I'm not sure about the motive for banning boycotts re publically-funded organisations. Does it apply to all boycotts or "political" issues, and if so, on what grounds? Is it because such an organisations cannot speak for all the people who have contributed financially - ie, the tax payers?

I'm a bit torn really because I remember when some councils banned people from hunting with dogs on council land - something which I supported - but then they were told they weren't allowed to do that because they were public bodies.

The only link is if of course people hate Jews as to targeting Israel, which is valid also

Nothing to be torn about, either you back discrimination nationality wise which in the case of Israel is often driven by antisemitism because fundamentally the Muslim world is rife and even taught to hate Jews or you only target those in power that you claim act with discrimination

Again, if you two want to speak between yourselves because I am making you both look inept idiots, be my guests lol
As I will certainly expose why you are both idiots

So if people are driven by antisemitism, its certainly valid and in the case of Zack and Sassy the Nazi, they are driven by hate of the Jews

Raggamuffin wrote:

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

You're quite right the the video in the OP attempts to link antisemitism or racism with a political agenda.

That's why claims of racism is so pathetic that even Didge is trying to distance himself from this by claiming it's actually anti-nationalism that is racist. HA HA!

Boycotts do work Rags, that's why there is a drive from certain politicians to make BDS illegal.

Yes, there's definitely a link being made between boycotting Israel and antisemitism. I don't think that's a valid argument really.  

I'm not sure about the motive for banning boycotts re publically-funded organisations. Does it apply to all boycotts or "political" issues, and if so, on what grounds? Is it because such an organisations cannot speak for all the people who have contributed financially - ie, the tax payers?

I'm a bit torn really because I remember when some councils banned people from hunting with dogs on council land - something which I supported - but then they were told they weren't allowed to do that because they were public bodies.

No, it only applies to Israel.

The reason why they're protected is because of "Jew money":

"British MP says 'Jewish money' influencing government""

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/202591#.VsMzj_DfWrX

Anyway, I own an organisation that's partly publically funded. And we've been boycotting Israeli goods for years now. And so have many other similar businesses. I would love to see how they enforce this.

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Yes, there's definitely a link being made between boycotting Israel and antisemitism. I don't think that's a valid argument really.  

I'm not sure about the motive for banning boycotts re publically-funded organisations. Does it apply to all boycotts or "political" issues, and if so, on what grounds? Is it because such an organisations cannot speak for all the people who have contributed financially - ie, the tax payers?

I'm a bit torn really because I remember when some councils banned people from hunting with dogs on council land - something which I supported - but then they were told they weren't allowed to do that because they were public bodies.

No, it only applies to Israel.

The reason why they're protected is because of "Jew money":

"British MP says 'Jewish money' influencing government""

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/202591#.VsMzj_DfWrX

Anyway, I own an organisation that's partly publically funded. And we've been boycotting Israeli goods for years now. And so have many other similar businesses. I would love to see how they enforce this.

And there is your antisemitism and what drives his hate lol

Its that kind of conspiracy that the Nazis played upon to make people hate the Jews

All you need to ask is whether Zack supports the notion of a two state solution and Israel to exist

The fact is Zack you are nothing more than an insignificant Nazi twat and easily exposed as one.

To say Jewish money is in itself racist

Didge wrote:

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

No, it only applies to Israel.

The reason why they're protected is because of "Jew money":

"British MP says 'Jewish money' influencing government""

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/202591#.VsMzj_DfWrX

Anyway, I own an organisation that's partly publically funded. And we've been boycotting Israeli goods for years now. And so have many other similar businesses. I would love to see how they enforce this.

And there is your antisemitism and what drives his hate lol

Its that kind of conspiracy that the Nazis played upon to make people hate the Jews

All you need to ask is whether Zack supports the notion of a two state solution and Israel to exist

The fact is Zack you are nothing more than an insignificant Nazi twat and easily exposed as one.

To say Jewish money is in itself racist

I quoted an article, hence the quotes. HA HA!

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Didge wrote:


And there is your antisemitism and what drives his hate lol

Its that kind of conspiracy that the Nazis played upon to make people hate the Jews

All you need to ask is whether Zack supports the notion of a two state solution and Israel to exist

The fact is Zack you are nothing more than an insignificant Nazi twat and easily exposed as one.

To say Jewish money is in itself racist

I quoted an article, hence the quotes. HA HA!

You quoted an article that specified a conspiracy

Which makes you a Nazi twat lol

So Zack why not say whether Israel should exist or not?

Its so easy for me to expose you as the Jew hating Muslim low life Nazi scum that you are.

Zacks the nazi uses the article that starts with:

Speaking at anti-Israel event, Labour MP Gerald Kaufman invokes Jewish conspiracy theories, claims Israel 'executing' Palestinians

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Yes, there's definitely a link being made between boycotting Israel and antisemitism. I don't think that's a valid argument really.  

I'm not sure about the motive for banning boycotts re publically-funded organisations. Does it apply to all boycotts or "political" issues, and if so, on what grounds? Is it because such an organisations cannot speak for all the people who have contributed financially - ie, the tax payers?

I'm a bit torn really because I remember when some councils banned people from hunting with dogs on council land - something which I supported - but then they were told they weren't allowed to do that because they were public bodies.

No, it only applies to Israel.

The reason why they're protected is because of "Jew money":

"British MP says 'Jewish money' influencing government""

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/202591#.VsMzj_DfWrX

Anyway, I own an organisation that's partly publically funded. And we've been boycotting Israeli goods for years now. And so have many other similar businesses. I would love to see how they enforce this.

If such a ban only applies to boycotts of Israel, that's not right because it's clearly a political move.

The trouble with student unions boycotting Israel is that not all the students will agree, so do they then have to boycott the student union?

Didge wrote:

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

I quoted an article, hence the quotes. HA HA!

You quoted an article that specified a conspiracy

Which makes you a Nazi twat lol

So Zack why not say whether Israel should exist or not?

Its so easy for me to expose you as the Jew hating Muslim low life Nazi scum that you are.

Which proves I didn't quote from a biased source.

Lol! Thank you for proving my point.

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Didge wrote:


You quoted an article that specified a conspiracy

Which makes you a Nazi twat lol

So Zack why not say whether Israel should exist or not?

Its so easy for me to expose you as the Jew hating Muslim low life Nazi scum that you are.

Which proves I didn't quote from a biased source.

Lol! Thank you for proving my point.

Who said biased?

I proved you are racist scum as you claimed "Jewish money"

ha ha

Racist twat

Didge wrote:

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Which proves I didn't quote from a biased source.

Lol! Thank you for proving my point.

Who said biased?

I proved you are racist scum as you claimed "Jewish money"

ha ha

Racist twat

I didn't. Gerald Kaufman did.

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Didge wrote:

Who said biased?

I proved you are racist scum as you claimed "Jewish money"

ha ha

Racist twat

I didn't. Gerald Kaufman did.

You quoted it darling

Which is you endorsing conspiracies of the Jews

lol see you could not say whether Israel should exist

I mean think about this for a minute.

They are saying its not antisemitism, but calling money from Israel, Jewish money

lol, you cannot make it up how the nazi idiots end up exposing why they are fuckwits