The Israeli “art student” mystery
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The Israeli “art student” mystery
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Well, it appears it wasn't followed up, and these is the only links I could find to it:
For almost two years, hundreds of young Israelis falsely claiming to be art students haunted federal offices -- in particular, the DEA. No one knows why -- and no one seems to want to find out.
Topics: Espionage, News
In January 2001, the security branch of the U.S. Drug Enforcement Agency began to receive a number of peculiar reports from DEA field offices across the country. According to the reports, young Israelis claiming to be art students and offering artwork for sale had been attempting to penetrate DEA offices for over a year. The Israelis had also attempted to penetrate the offices of other law enforcement and Department of Defense agencies. Strangest of all, the “students” had visited the homes of numerous DEA officers and other senior federal officials.
As a pattern slowly emerged, the DEA appeared to have been targeted in what it called an “organized intelligence gathering activity.” But to what end, and for whom, no one knew.
Reports of the mysterious Israelis with an inexplicable interest in peddling art to G-men came in from more than 40 U.S. cities and continued throughout the first six months of 2001. Agents of the DEA, ATF, Air Force, Secret Service, FBI, and U.S. Marshals Service documented some 130 separate incidents of “art student” encounters. Some of the Israelis were observed diagramming the inside of federal buildings. Some were found carrying photographs they had taken of federal agents. One was discovered with a computer printout in his luggage that referred to “DEA groups.”
In some cases, the Israelis visited locations not known to the public — areas without street addresses, for example, or DEA offices not identified as such — leading authorities to suspect that information had been gathered from prior surveillance or perhaps electronically, from credit cards and other sources. One Israeli was discovered holding banking receipts for substantial sums of money, close to $180,000 in withdrawals and deposits over a two-month period. A number of the Israelis resided for a period of time in Hollywood, Fla. — the small city where Mohammed Atta and three terrorist comrades lived for a time before Sept. 11.
In March 2001, the Office of the National Counterintelligence Executive (NCIX), a branch of the CIA, issued a heads-up to federal employees about “suspicious visitors to federal facilities.” The warning noted that “employees have observed both males and females attempting to bypass facility security and enter federal buildings.” Federal agents, the warning stated, had “arrested two of these individuals for trespassing and discovered that the suspects possessed counterfeit work visas and green cards.”
In the wake of the NCIX bulletin, federal officials raised several other red flags, including an Air Force alert, a Federal Protective Services alert, an Office of National Drug Control Policy security alert and a request that the Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) investigate a specific case. Officials began dealing more aggressively with the “art students.” According to one account, some 140 Israeli nationals were detained or arrested between March 2001 and Sept. 11, 2001. Many of them were deported. According to the INS, the deportations resulted from violations of student visas that forbade the Israelis from working in the United States. (In fact, Salon has established that none of the Israelis were enrolled in the art school most of them claimed to be attending; the other college they claimed to be enrolled in does not exist.) After the Sept. 11 attacks, many more young Israelis — 60, according to one AP dispatch and other reports — were detained and deported.
The “art students” followed a predictable modus operandi. They generally worked in teams, typically consisting of a driver, who was the team leader, and three or four subordinates. The driver would drop the “salespeople” off at a given location and return to pick them up some hours later. The “salespeople” entered offices or approached agents in their offices or homes. Sometimes they pitched their artwork — landscapes, abstract works, homemade pins and other items they carried about in portfolios. At other times, they simply attempted to engage agents in conversation. If asked about their studies, they generally said they were from the Bezalel Academy of Arts and Design in Jerusalem or the University of Jerusalem (which does not exist). They were described as “aggressive” in their sales pitch and “evasive” when questioned by wary agents. The females among them were invariably described as “very attractive” — “blondes in tight shorts or jeans, real lookers,” as one DEA agent put it to Salon. “They were flirty, flipping the hair, looking at you, smiling. ‘Hey, how are you? Let me show you this.’ Everything a woman would do if she wanted to get something out of you.” Some agents noted that the “students” made repeated attempts to avoid facility security personnel by trying to enter federal buildings through back doors and side entrances. On several occasions, suspicious agents who had been visited at home observed the Israelis after the “students” departed and noted that they did not approach any of the neighbors.
The document detailing most of this information was an internal DEA memo: a 60-page report drawn up in June 2001 by the DEA’s Office of Security Programs. The document was meant only for the eyes of senior officials at the Justice Department (of which the DEA is adjunct), but it was leaked to the press as early as December 2001 and by mid-March had been made widely available to the public.
On the face of it, this was a blockbuster tale, albeit a bizarre and cryptic one, full of indeterminate leads and fascinating implications and ambiguous answers: “Like a good Clancy novel,” as one observer put it. Was it espionage? Drug dealing? An intelligence game? The worlds wackiest door-to-door hustle? Yet the mainstream media has almost entirely ignored the allegations or accepted official “explanations” that explain nothing. Even before the DEA memo was leaked, however, some reporters had begun sniffing around the remarkable story.
On Oct. 1 of last year, Texas newswoman Anna Werner, of KHOU-TV in Houston, told viewers about a “curious pattern of behavior” by people with “Middle Eastern looks” claiming to be Israeli art students. “Government guards have found those so-called students,” reported Werner, “trying to get into [secure federal facilities in Houston] in ways they’re not supposed to — through back doors and parking garages.” Federal agents, she said, were extremely “concerned.” The “students” had showed up at the DEA’s Houston headquarters, at the Leland Federal Building in Houston, and even the federal prosecutor’s office; they had also appeared to be monitoring the buildings. Guards at the Earle Cabell Federal Building in Dallas found one “student” wandering the halls with a floor plan of the site. Sources told Werner that similar incidents had occurred at sites in New York, Florida, and six other states, “and even more worrisome, at 36 sensitive Department of Defense sites.”
“One defense site you can explain,” a former Defense Department analyst told Werner. “Thirty-six? That’s a pattern.” Ominously, the analyst concluded that such activity suggested a terrorist organization “scouting out potential targets and … looking for targets that would be vulnerable.”
Post-9/11, this should have been the opening thrust in an orgy of coverage, and the scoop of a lifetime for Werner: Here shed gotten a glimpse into a possible espionage ring of massive proportions, possibly of terrorists scouting new targets for jihad — and those terrorists were possibly posing as Israelis. KHOUs conclusions were wrong — these werent Arab terrorists — but at the time no one knew better. And yet the story died on the vine. No one followed up.
Just about the same time that KHOU was stabbing in the dark, reporter Carl Cameron of the Fox News Channel was beginning an investigation into the mystery of the art students that would ultimately light the way into altogether different terrain. In a four-part series on Foxs “Special Report With Brit Hume” that aired in mid-December, Cameron reported that federal agents were investigating the “art student” phenomenon as a possible arm of Israeli espionage operations tracking al-Qaida operatives in the United States. Yes, you read that right: a spy ring that may have been trailing al-Qaida members in the weeks and months before Sept. 11 — a spy ring that according to Camerons sources may have known about the preparations for the Sept. 11 attacks but failed to share this knowledge with U.S. intelligence. One investigator told Cameron that “evidence linking these Israelis to 9/11 is classified. I cannot tell you about evidence that has been gathered. It’s classified information.”
According to Cameron, some 60 Israeli nationals had been detained in the anti-terrorism/immigrant sweeps in the weeks after Sept. 11, and at least 140 Israelis identified as “art students” had been detained or arrested in the prior months. Most of the 60 detained after Sept. 11 had been deported, Cameron said. “Some of the detainees,” reported Cameron, “failed polygraph questions when asked about alleged surveillance activities against and in the United States.” Some of them were on active military duty. (Military service is compulsory for all young Israelis.) Cameron was careful to note that there was “no indication that the Israelis were involved in the 9/11 attacks” and that while his reporting had dug up “explosive information,” none of it was necessarily conclusive. Cameron was simply airing the wide-ranging speculations in an ongoing investigation.
Incendiary as it was, that story died on the vine, too, and the scuttlebutt in major newsrooms was that Camerons sources — all anonymous — were promulgating a fantasy. Reporters at the New York Times and the Washington Post hit up their go-to people inside Justice and FBI and CIA, but no one could seem to confirm the story, and indeed numerous officials laughed it off. Fox got it wrong, the newspapers of record concluded. And nothing more was heard on the topic in mainstream quarters.
But inside the DEA, the Fox piece reverberated. An internal DEA communiqué obtained by Salon indicates that the DEA made careful note of Camerons reports; the communiqué even mentions Fox News by name. Dated Dec. 18, four days after the final installment in the Fox series, the document warns of security breaches in DEA telecommunications by unauthorized “foreign nationals” — and cites an Israeli-owned firm with which the DEA contracted for wiretap equipment — breaches that could have accounted for the access that the “art students” apparently had to the home addresses of agents.
It wasnt until nearly three months after the Fox reports that the “art student” enigma resurfaced in newsrooms, this time in Europe. On Feb. 28, the respected Paris-based espionage newsletter Intelligence Online reported in detail on what turned out to have been one of Cameron’s key source documents: the 60-page DEA memo. The memo itself, which Salon obtained in mid-March, went no further than to speculate in the most general terms that the “nature of the individuals conduct” suggested some sort of “organized intelligence gathering activity.” The memo also pointed out that there was some evidence connecting the art students to a drug ring. “DEA Orlando has developed the first drug nexus to this group,” the memo read. “Telephone numbers obtained from an Israeli Art Student encountered at the Orlando D.O. [District Office] have been linked to several ongoing DEA MDMA (Ecstasy) investigations in Florida, California, Texas and New York.”
However, Intelligence Online and then France’s newspaper of record, Le Monde, came to a much more definite — and explosive — conclusion. This was the jackpot, they concluded, a proven spy ring run by the Mossad or the Israeli government. Thus you had Intelligence Online leading its Feb. 28 piece with the statement that “a huge Israeli spy ring operating in the United States was rolled up,” and you had Le Monde trumpeting on March 5 that a “vast Israeli spy network” had been dismantled in the “largest case of Israeli spying” since 1985, when mole Jonathan Pollard was busted selling Pentagon secrets to the Mossad. Reuters that same day went with the headline “U.S. Busts Big Israeli Spy Ring,” sourcing Le Mondes story.
The two French journals came to conclusions that the memo itself clearly did not. And yet they had unearthed some intriguing material. Six of the “students” were apparently carrying cell phones purchased by a former Israeli vice consul to the United States. According to Le Monde, two of the “students” had traveled from Hamburg to Miami to visit an FBI agent in his home, then boarded a flight to Chicago and visited the home of a Justice Dept. agent, then hopped a direct flight to Toronto — all in one day. According to Intelligence Online, more than one-third of the students, who were spread out in 42 cities, lived in Florida, several in Hollywood and Fort Lauderdale, Fla. — one-time home to at least 10 of the 19 Sept. 11 hijackers. In at least one case, the students lived just a stone’s throw from homes and apartments where the Sept. 11 terrorists resided: In Hollywood, several students lived at 4220 Sheridan St., just down the block from the 3389 Sheridan St. apartment where terrorist mastermind Mohammed Atta holed up with three other Sept. 11 plotters. Many of the students, the DEA report noted, had backgrounds in Israeli military intelligence and/or electronics surveillance; one was the son of a two-star Israeli general, and another had served as a bodyguard to the head of the Israeli army.
The DEA report on which the French journals based their investigations contained a wealth of remarkable tales. To take just a few samples:
- On March 1, 2001, a DEA special agent in the Tampa division offices “responded to a knock at one of the fifth floor offices. At the door was a young female who immediately identified herself as an Israeli art student who had beautiful art to sell. She was carrying a crudely made portfolio of unframed pictures.” Aware of the “art student” alert, the agent invited the girl to an interview room, where he was joined by a colleague to listen to the girl’s presentation. “She had approximately 15 paintings of different styles, some copies of famous works, and others similar in style to famous artists. When asked her name, she identified herself as Bella Pollcson, and pointed out one of the paintings was signed by that name.” Then things got interesting: In the middle of her presentation, she changed her story and claimed that the paintings were not for sale, but “that she was there to promote an art show in Sarasota, Fla., and asked for the agents’ business cards so that information regarding the show could be mailed to them.” Well, where’s the show? asked the agents. When’s it going up? Pollcson couldn’t say: didn’t know when or where — or even who was running it. Later it was determined that she had lied about her name as well.
- On Oct. 20, 2000, in the Houston offices of the DEA, a “male Israeli art student was observed by the Security Officers [entering] an elevator from a secure area. [The officers] were able to apprehend the art student before he could enter a secure area on the second floor.” Three months later, in January 2001, a “male Israeli” was apprehended attempting to enter the same building from a back door in a “secured parking lot area.” He claimed “he wanted to gain access to the building to sell artwork.”
- On April 30, 2001, an Air Force alert was issued from Tinker Air Force Base in Oklahoma City concerning “possible intelligence collection being conducted by Israeli Art Students.” Tinker AFB houses AWACS surveillance craft and Stealth bombers. The report does not elaborate on what kind of intelligence was being sought.
- On May 19, 2001, two Israeli nationals “requested permission to visit a museum” at Volk Field Air National Guard Base in Camp Douglas, Wis. “Approximately ten minutes after being allowed on the base, the two were seen on an active runway, taking photographs.” The men, charged with misdemeanor trespass, were identified as 26-year-old Gal Kantor and 22-year-old Tsvi Watermann, and were released after paying a $210 fine. According to the Air Force security officer on duty, “Both were asked if they were involved in the selling of art while in the U.S. Kantor became very upset over this, and questioned why they were being asked about that … Kantor’s whole demeanor changed, and he then became uncooperative.”
So it went week after week, month after month, for more than a year and a half. In addition to the locations mentioned above, there were “art student” encounters in Atlanta, Chicago, Denver, Detroit, El Paso, Los Angeles, Miami, Orlando, New Orleans, Phoenix, San Diego, Little Rock, Seattle, Washington, D.C., Arlington, Texas, Albuquerque, and dozens of other small cities and towns.
“Their stories,” the DEA report states, “were remarkable only in their consistency. At first, they will state that they are art students, either from the University of Jerusalem or the Bezalel Academy of Arts in Jerusalem. Other times they will purport to be promoting a new art studio in the area. When pressed for details as to the location of the art studio or why they are selling the paintings, they become evasive.”
Indeed, they had reason to be nervous, because they were lying. Salon contacted Bezalel Academy’s Varda Harel, head of the Academic Students’ Administration, with a list of every “student” named in the DEA report, including their dates of birth, passport numbers, and in some cases military registration numbers. Not a single name was identified in the Bezalel database, either as a current student or as a graduate of the past 10 years (nor had any of the “students” tried to apply to Bezalel in the last ten years). As for the University of Jerusalem, there is no such entity. There is the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, but Heidi Gleit, the school’s foreign press liaison, told me that Israelis commonly refer to the school as Hebrew University, not the University of Jerusalem. (Hebrew University, she said, does not release student records to the public.)
Still, the U.S. press was uninterested. Just one day after the Le Monde report, the Washington Post ran a story on March 6 that seemed to put the whole thing to rest. Headlined “Reports of Israeli Spy Ring Dismissed,” the piece, by John Mintz and Dan Eggen, opened with official denials from a “wide array of U.S. officials” and quoted Justice Department spokeswoman Susan Dryden as saying, “This seems to be an urban myth that has been circulating for months. The department has no information at this time to substantiate these widespread reports about Israeli art students involved in espionage.”
The Post quoted anonymous officials who said they thought the allegations had been “circulated by a single employee of the Drug Enforcement Administration who is angry that his theories have not gained currency … [T]wo law enforcement officials said the disgruntled DEA agent, who disagreed with the conclusion of FBI and CIA intelligence experts that no spying was taking place, appears to be leaking a memo that he himself wrote.”
An INS spokesman acknowledged to the Post that several dozen Israelis had been deported, but said it was the result of “routine visa violations.” At the same time, DEA spokesman Thomas Hinojosa told the Post that “multiple reports of suspicious activity on the part of young Israelis had come into the agency’s Washington headquarters from agents in the field. The reports were summarized in a draft memo last year, but Hinojosa said he did not have a copy and could not vouch for the accuracy of media reports describing its contents.”
The Post’s apparent debunking was far from convincing, even to the casual reader. Of course there was no proof that the art students were part of a spy ring: Intelligence Online and Le Monde had jumped the gun. However, the real possibility that they were part of a spy ring could not be dismissed — any more than could any other theory one might advance to explain their unusual behavior. With that in mind, Justice spokeswoman Dryden’s assertion that reports of an Israeli spy ring were an “urban myth” was an oddly overplayed denial. A response that fit the facts would have been something like “There have been numerous reports of suspicious behavior by Israelis claiming to be art students. We are looking into the allegations.” Instead, Dryden appeared to be trying to forestall any discussion of just what the facts of the case were. Given the political sensitivities and the potentially embarrassing nature of the case, that was not surprising,
If the whole thing was an “urban myth,” like the sewer reptiles of Manhattan, and if it all led back to one deskbound nut job in the DEA, then what were those “reports of suspicious activity” that had come in from agents in the field? Hinojosa’s statement about the DEA memo was suspiciously evasive: If the “media reports describing its content” (that is, the articles in Le Monde and Intelligence Online) were in fact based on the DEA memo whose existence Hinojosa acknowledged, then the “lone nut” explanation offered by anonymous U.S. officials was at best irrelevant and at worst a rather obvious piece of disinformation, an attempt to shove the story under the rug. (In fact, the French articles were based on the actual DEA memo — a fact any news organization could have quickly verified, since the leaked DEA document had been floating around on various Web venues, such as Cryptome.org, as early as March 21).
To someone not familiar with the 60-page DEA memo, or to reporters who didn’t bother to obtain it, the fact that a disgruntled employee leaked a memo he wrote himself might seem like decisive proof that the whole “art student” tale was a canard. In reality, the nature of the memo makes its authorship irrelevant. The memo is a compilation of field reports by dozens of named agents and officials from DEA offices across America. It contains the names, passport numbers, addresses, and in some cases the military ID numbers of the Israelis who were questioned by federal authorities. Pointing a finger at the author is like blaming a bank robbery on the desk sergeant who took down the names of the robbers.
Of course, the agent (or agents) who wrote the memo could also have fabricated or embellished the field reports. That does not seem to have been the case. Salon contacted more than a half-dozen agents identified in the memo. One agent said she had been visited six times at her home by “art students.” None of the agents wished to be named, and very few were willing to speak at length, but all confirmed the veracity of the information.
Despite such obvious holes in the official story, neither the Post nor any other mainstream media organization ran follow-up articles. The New York Times has not yet deemed it worth covering — in fact, the paper of record has not written about the art student mystery even once, not even to pooh-pooh it. One or two minor media players did some braying — Israel had been caught spying, etc. and the bonko conspiracy fringe had a field day, but the rest of the media, taking a cue from the big boys, decided it was a nonstarter: the Post’s “debunking” and the Times’ silence had effectively killed the story.
So complete was the silence that by mid-March, Jane’s Information Group, the respected British intelligence and military analysis service, noted: “It is rather strange that the U.S. media seems to be ignoring what may well be the most explosive story since the 11 September attacks — the alleged break-up of a major Israeli espionage operation in the USA.”
The only major American media outlet aside from Fox to seriously present the “art student” allegations was Insight on the News, the investigative magazine published weekly by the conservative Washington Times. In a March 11 article, Insight quoted a senior Justice Department official as saying, “We think there is something quite sinister here but are unable at this time to put our finger on it” — essentially echoing what the DEA report concluded.
Managing editor Paul M. Rodriguez, who wrote the Insight story and had quietly tracked the art student phenomenon for weeks before Intelligence Online scooped him, took an agnostic stance toward the mystery. “There is zero information at this time to suggest that these students were being run by the Mossad,” he told me. “Nothing we’ve come across would suggest this. We have seen nothing that says this is a spy ring run by the Israeli government directly or with a wink and a nod or some other form of sub rosa control. Based on what we’ve been told, seen and obtained I just don’t see the so-called spy ring as a certain fact. Does that make it not so? I don’t know.”
Rodriguez added, “I think the investigators’ take is this: What were these ‘students’ doing going around accessing buildings without authorization, tracking undercover cops to their homes — if not for some sort of intel mission? It’s sort of a mind-fuck scenario, if one were to believe this was a conspiracy by a foreign intel source and/or a bunch of nutty ‘kids’ fucking around just to see how far they could push the envelope — which they seem to have pushed pretty damn far, given the page after page after page of intrusions and snooping alleged.”
The Israeli embassy denies the charges of a spy ring. “We are saying what we’ve been saying for months,” spokesman Mark Reguev told Salon, referring to the Fox series in December. “No American official or intelligence agency has complained to us about this. The story is nonsense. Israel does not spy on the United States.”
Whether or not the “art students” are Israeli spies, Reguev’s blanket disavowal is untrue: Israel does spy on the United States. This should come as no surprise: Allies frequently spy on each other, and Israeli intelligence is renowned as among the best and most aggressive in the world. Israel has been at war off and on since its birth as a nation in 1948 and is hungry for information it deems essential to its survival. And America’s relationship to Israel and support for it is essential to the survival of the Jewish state. Add these things up, and espionage against the United States becomes understandable, if not justifiable.
The U.S. government officially denies this, of course, but it knows that such spying goes on. In 1996, the U.S. General Accounting Office issued a report indicating that “Country A,” later identified as Israel, “conducts the most aggressive espionage operation against the United States of any U.S. ally.” A year earlier, the Defense Investigative Service circulated a memo warning U.S. military contractors that “Israel aggressively collects [U.S.] military and industrial technology” and “possesses the resources and technical capability to successfully achieve its collection objectives.” The memo explained that “the Israelis are motivated by strong survival instincts which dictate every facet of their political and economic policies.”
In the history of Israeli espionage in and against the United States, the case of Jonathan Pollard was certainly the most heinous. Pollard, a civilian U.S. naval intelligence analyst, provided Israeli intelligence with an estimated 800,000 pages of classified U.S. intelligence information. The information eventually ended up in Soviet hands, compromising American agents in the field — several of whom were allegedly captured and killed as a result. Israel at first denied, and then admitted, Pollard’s connections to the Mossad after he was arrested in 1985 and imprisoned for life. The case severely strained American-Israeli relations, and continues to rankle many American Jews, who believe that since Pollard was spying for Israel, his sentence was unduly harsh. (Other American Jews feel equally strongly that Pollard and the Israelis betrayed them.)
Any attempt to understand the official U.S. response to the Israeli art student mystery — and to some degree, the media response — must take into account both the smoke screen that states blow over incidents that could jeopardize their strategic alliances, and America’s unique and complex relationship with Israel. The Jewish state is a close if problematic ally with whom the United States enjoys a “special relationship” unlike that maintained with any other nation in the world. But U.S. and Israeli interests do not always coincide, and spying has always been deemed to cross a line, to represent a fundamental violation of trust. According to intelligence sources, the United States might perhaps secretly tolerate some Israeli spying on U.S. soil if the government decided that it was in our interest (although it could never be acknowledged), but certain types of spying will simply not be accepted by the United States, whether the spying is carried out by Israel or anyone else.
If England or France spied on the United States, American officials would likely conceal it. In the case of Israel, there are far stronger reasons to hide any unseemly cracks in the special relationship. The powerful pro-Israel political constituencies in Congress; pro-Israel lobbies; the Bush administration’s strong support for Israel, and its strategic and political interest in maintaining close ties with the Jewish state as a partner in the “war against terror”; the devastating consequences for U.S.-Israeli relations if it was suspected that Israeli agents might have known about the Sept. 11 attack — all these factors explain why the U.S. government might publicly downplay the art student story and conceal any investigation that produces unpalatable results.
The pro-Israel lobby is a vast and powerful force in American politics; the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, or AIPAC, is the No. 1 foreign-policy lobby and the fourth most powerful lobby in Washington, according to Fortune Magazine. Michael Lind, a senior fellow of the New America Foundation and a former executive editor of the National Interest, calls the Israel lobby “an ethnic donor machine” that “distorts U.S. foreign policy” in the Middle East. Among foreign service officers, law enforcement and the military, there is an impression, says Lind, that you can’t mess with Israel without suffering direct and indirect smears, such as being labeled an Arabist. Lind, who himself has been virulently attacked as an anti-Semite for his forthrightness on the subject, acknowledges that the Israel lobby is no different from any other — just more effective. “This is what all lobbies do,” Lind observes. “If you criticize the AARP, you hate old people and you want them to starve to death. The Israel lobby is just one part of the lobby problem.”
Considering the volatility of the issue, it is not surprising that almost no one in officialdom wants to go on the record for a story like the art students. “In government circles,” as Insight’s Rodriguez put it, “anything that has to do with Israel is always a hot topic, a third rail — deadly. No one wants to touch it.” Fox News’ Cameron quoted intelligence officers saying that to publicly air suspicions of Israeli wrongdoing was tantamount to “career suicide.” And the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, in one of its bloodiest and most polarizing phases, has only exacerbated sensitivities.
Some of the same pressures that keep government officials from criticizing Israel may also explain why the media has failed to pursue the art student enigma. Media outlets that run stories even mildly critical of Israel often find themselves targeted by organized campaigns, including form-letter e-mails, the cancellation of subscriptions, and denunciations of the organization and its reporters and editors as anti-Semites. Cameron, for example, was excoriated by various pro-Israel lobbying groups for his exposé. Representatives of the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs (JINSA), the Anti-Defamation League (ADL), and the Committee for Accuracy in Middle East Reporting in America (CAMERA) argued that the Fox report cited only unnamed sources, provided no direct evidence, and moreover had been publicly denied by spokesmen for the FBI and others (the last, of course, is not really an argument).
In a December interview with Salon, CAMERA’s associate director, Alex Safian, said that several “Jewish/Israeli groups” were having “conversations” with representatives of Fox News regarding Cameron’s piece. Safian said he questioned Cameron’s motives in running the story. “I think Fox has always been fair to Israel in its reporting,” said Safian. “I think it’s just Cameron who has something, personally, about Israel. He was brought up in the Middle East. Maybe that has something to do with it. Maybe he’s very sympathetic to the Arab side. One could ask.” The implicit suggestion was that Cameron is a bigot; in conversation, Safian would later make the same allegation about the entire editorial helm at Le Monde, which he called an anti-Semitic newspaper.
Told of Safian’s comments, Cameron said, “I’m speechless. I spent several years in Iran growing up because my father was an archaeologist there. That makes me anti-Israel?” The chief Washington correspondent for Fox News, Cameron had never before been attacked for biased coverage of Israel or Israeli-related affairs — or for biased coverage of Arabs, for that matter. Cameron defends his December reporting, saying he had never received any heat whatsoever from his superiors, nor had he ever been contacted by any dissenting voices in government.
Oddly, four days after the Cameron investigation ran, all traces of his report — transcripts, Web links, headlines — disappeared from the Foxnews.com archives. (Normally, Fox leaves a story up for two to three weeks before consigning it to the pay archive.) When Le Monde contacted Fox in March for a copy of the original tapes, Fox News spokesmen said the request posed a problem but would not elaborate. (Fox News now says Le Monde never called.) Asked why the Cameron piece disappeared, spokesman Robert Zimmerman said it was “up there on our Web site for about two or three weeks and then it was taken down because we had to replace it with more breaking news. As you know, in a Web site you’ve got x amount of bandwidth — you know, x amount of stuff you can put stuff up on [sic]. So it was replaced. Normal course of business, my friend.” (In fact, a text-based story on a Web site takes up a negligible amount of bandwidth.)
When informed that Cameron’s story was gone from the archives, not simply from the headline pages (when you entered the old URL, a Fox screen appeared with the message “This story no longer exists”), Zimmerman replied, “I don’t know where it is.”
The extreme sensitivity of the Israeli art student story in government circles was made clear to this reporter when, in the midst of my inquiries at DEA and elsewhere, I was told by a source that some unknown party had checked my records and background. He proved it by mentioning a job I had briefly held many years ago that virtually no one outside my family knew about. Shortly after this, I received a call from an individual who identified himself only by the code name Stability. Stability said he was referred to me from “someone in Washington.” That someone turned out to be a veteran D.C. correspondent who has close sources in the CIA and the FBI and who verified that Stability was a high-level intelligence agent who had been following the art student matter from the inside.
Stability was guarded in his initial conversation with me. He said that people in the intelligence committee were suspicious about my bona fides and raised the possibility that someone was “using” me. “Your name is known and has been known for quite a while,” Stability said. “The problem is that you’re going into a hornet’s nest with this. It’s a very difficult time in this particular area. This is a scenario where a lot of people are living a bunker mentality.” He added, “There are a lot of people under a lot of pressure right now because there’s a great effort to discredit the story, discredit the connections, prevent people from going any further [in investigating the matter]. There are some very, very smart people who have taken a lot of heat on this — have gone to what I would consider extraordinary risks to reach out. Quite frankly, there are a lot of patriots out there who’d like to remain alive. Typically, patriots are dead.”
In a subsequent conversation, Stability said that the DEA’s Office of Professional Responsibility is currently undertaking an aggressive investigation targeting agents suspected of leaking the June 2001 memo. The OPR inquiry was initiated as a result of Intelligence Online’s exposé of the DEA document in late February. According to Stability, at least 14 agents — including some in agencies other than DEA — are now under intense scrutiny and interrogation. Half a dozen agents have been polygraphed several times over, computers have been seized, desks have been searched.
A DEA spokesman would neither confirm nor deny the allegation. “Anything that has to do with internal security, which would include OPR, is not anything we’re able to discuss,” the spokesman said.
As for the DEA document itself, Stability said that all information gathering for it ceased around June 2001. He also noted that “there are multiple variations of that document” floating around DEA and elsewhere.
“It was a living, breathing document,” Stability said, “that grew on a week-by-week basis, that was being added to as people forwarded information. To say this was a coordinated effort would be a stretch; it was ad hoc. But that document [the DEA memo] didn’t just happen. That document was the result of literally dozens of people providing input, working together. These events were going on, people were looking at them, but could not understand them.
“It wasn’t until the end of 2000 and the beginning of 2001 that field agents ran across a series of visits that occurred within a very close period of time,” Stability said. Agents from across the country began talking to each other, comparing notes. “There was an embryonic understanding that there was something here, something was happening. People kept running across it. And agents being who they are, gut feelings being what they are, they would catch a thread. They’d start to pull a thread, and next thing, they’d end up with the arm of the jacket and the back was coming off, and then you’d end up with reports like you saw. The information, in its scattered form, is one thing. The information compiled, documented, timelined, indexed, is a horrific event for some of these people. Because it is indisputable.”
“Agents started to realize that people were coming to their homes,” he continued. “If you are part of an organization like this, you tend to be careful about your security. When something disturbs that sense of security, it’s unnerving. One thing that was understood fairly early on was that the students would go to some areas that didn’t have street signs, and in fact they would already have directions to these areas. That indicated that someone had been there prior to them or had electronically figured where the agents were located — using credit card records, things of that nature. This sat in the back of people’s minds as to the resources necessary to do that.”
“I will tell you that there is still great debate over what [the art students] specific purposes were and are,” Stability went on. “When you take an individual who picks up a group of individuals from an airport, individuals who supposedly have no idea what they’re doing in-country, who fly on over from a foreign land, whose airline tickets could in some instances total a value greater than $15,000 — and who get picked up at the airport and drive specifically to one individual’s home, which they know the exact directions to: Yeah, you could say there’s a problem here. You don’t need to be a rocket scientist to understand that. The overarching item is that a lot of work went into going to people’s houses to sell them junk from China in plastic frames.”
But to what end? What was the value? What was to be gained? “Unknown, unknown,” Stability said. “You could be anywhere from D.C. to daylight on that one. Even on our side, you have to take all the stuff and draw it all out and clean out all the chaff. I will tell you that from those who are working ground zero [of this case], it is a difficult puzzle to put together, and it is not complete by any means.” Even the spooks are baffled; they have no answers.
So lets draw out the chaff ourselves and see if we can at least speculate. In intel circles, there are a number of working theories, according to Stability. “Profiling of federal agents is one,” said Stability. “Keeping tabs on other people, other foreign nationals, is another. A third is that they were working for organized crime — that’s an easy one, and it almost sounds more like a cover than a reality. The predominant thought is that it was a profiling endeavour, and from a profiling aspect, also one of intimidation.”
You mean this whole vast scheme was a mind fuck, to use Paul Rodriguezs elegant phrasing? A psy-ops endeavor to spook the spooks? Perhaps. As Stability put it, “Almost nothing is wrong in this particular instance, Mr. Ketcham. In this particular situation, right is wrong, left is right, up is down, day is night.”
Yet for the most part the targeted agents werent spooks in the strictest sense: They were DEA — cops who bust drug dealers. And that leads us into Theory No. 1, also known as the Art Student/Drug Dealer Conspiracy. This theory has a piece of evidence to support it: the link, mentioned in the leaked DEA memo, between an Ecstasy investigation and the telephone numbers provided by an Israeli detained in Orlando. There are “problems” with Israeli nationals involved in the Ecstasy business, according to Israeli Embassy spokesman Reguev. “Israeli authorities and the DEA are working together on that issue,” he said. In a statement before Congress in 2000, officials with the U.S. Customs Service, which intercepted some 7 million Ecstasy tablets last year, noted that “Israeli organized-crime elements appear to be in control” of the multibillion-dollar U.S. Ecstasy trade, “from production through the international smuggling phase. Couriers associated with Israeli organized crime have been arrested around the world, including … locations in the U.S. such as Florida, New Jersey, New York and California.”
Miami was cited as one of the main entry points of Ecstasy into the United States and was specified as one of the central “headquarters for the criminal organizations that smuggle Ecstasy”; Houston was also cited for large Ecstasy seizures — an interesting nexus, given the large number of “art students” who congregated both in the Miami and Ft. Lauderdale area and in Houston. “Israeli nationals in the Ecstasy trade have been very sophisticated in their operations,” says a U.S. Customs officer who has investigated the groups. “Some of these individuals have been skilled at counterintelligence and in concealing their communications and movements from law enforcement.”
It would thus seem that Israeli organized crime has at least the capacity to pull off a widespread surveillance and intelligence operation. The drug connection would also explain the sizable reserves of cash one Tampa student was handling.
One DEA agent named in the “art student” report told Salon that the best possible explanation for the affair - and he admitted to being utterly baffled by it — was that drug dealers were involved.
“Why us if not because of the DEA’s mission?” the agent asked. “I mean, what would Israeli intel want with us? Here’s another avenue of inquiry to take: Israeli organized crime is the now the biggest dealer of Ecstasy in the United States. These students? It was Israeli organized crime judging our strength, getting a survey of our operations. What if I wanted to burglarize your building and go through your files? I’d do a reconnoiter. Get a sense of the floor plan and security, where the guards are stationed, how many doors, what kind of locks, alarm systems, backup alarm systems.”
The trouble with this theory is the obvious one: In the annals of crime chutzpah, for drug dealers to brazenly approach drug agents in their homes and offices may represent the all-time world record. And what conceivable useful intelligence could they gather that would be worth the risk? Were the tee-heeing tight-sweatered Israeli babes pulling some kind of Mata Hari stunt, seducing paunchy middle-aged DEA boys and beguiling them into loose-lipped info sharing?
Theory No. 2 is that they were all engaged in espionage. This scenario has the virtue of simplicity — if it smells like a spy, walks like a spy, and talks like a spy, it probably is a spy — but doesn’t make much sense, either. Why would the Mossad — or any spy outfit with a lick of good sense — use kids without papers as spies? And, just as our incredulous DEA agent noted, what intelligence useful to Israel could be gathered from DEA offices, anyway?
I suggested to Stability that the operation, if it was that, was purposely conspicuous — almost oafish. “Yes, it was,” he replied. “It was a noisy operation. Did you ever see ‘Victor/Victoria’? It was about a woman playing a man playing a woman. Perhaps you should think about this from that aspect and ask yourself if you wanted to have something that was in your face, that didn’t make sense, that couldn’t possibly be them.” He added, “Think of it this way: How could the experts think this could actually be something of any value? Wouldn’t they dismiss what they were seeing?”
Thats where you enter truly dark territory: Theory No. 3, the Art Student as Agent as Art Student Smoke Screen. It has major problems, but lets roll with it for a moment. This theory contends that the art student ring was a smoke screen intended to create confusion and allow actual spies — who were also posing as art students — to be lumped together with the rest and escape detection. In other words, the operation is an elaborate double fake-out, a hiding-in-plain-sight scam. Whoever dreamed it up thought ahead to the endgame and knew that the DEA-stakeout aspect was so bizarre that it would throw off American intelligence. According to this theory — Stability’s “Victor/Victoria” scenario — Israeli agents wanted, let’s say, to monitor al-Qaida members in Florida and other states. But they feared detection. So to provide cover, and also to create a dizzyingly Byzantine story that would confuse the situation,
Israeli intel flooded areas of real operations with these bumbling “art students” — who were told to deliberately stake out DEA agents.
Perhaps. Why not? Up is down, left is right. I nudged Stability on the obvious implication of the “Victor/Victoria” scenario: If this was a ruse, a decoy to conceal another operation, what was that other operation? “Unknown,” Stability said.
Then of course theres Theory No. 4: that they really were art students. Either they were recruited in Israel as part of an art-selling racket or they simply hit upon the idea themselves. This theory is basically the de facto position held by the U.S. and Israeli governments, which insist that the only wrong committed by the “students” was to sell art without the proper papers. There are almost too many problems with this to list, but it’s worth mentioning a few: Why in the world would people try to sell cheap art market to DEA officials? Why would they almost all use the same bogus Bezalel Academy of Arts cover story? Why would anyone running such a racket to make money use foreign nationals without green cards, knowing that they would quickly be snagged for visa violations? And why did so many of these itinerant peddlers, wandering the United States on their strange mission of hawking cheap Chinese knockoff paintings, have “black information” about federal facilities?
There are other theories. One is that these were spies in training, newly minted Mossad graduates on test runs to see how they would operate in field conditions. I asked Stability how hotly the matter was now being pursued in intel and law enforcement. “Depends on who you speak to,” he told me. “Some people say that it’s a dead issue, a fantasy. Most of the investigations are happening at an ad hoc level. There are people out there that you couldn’t sway off some of the cases, because that’s how dedicated they are.”
Apparently, at least some agents in FBI remain quite concerned about the art student problem. According to several intelligence sources, including Stability, on Dec. 3, 2001, six separate FBI field offices simultaneously forwarded communiqués to FBI headquarters inquiring into the status of the investigation. The FBI agents wanted to have a “clarification” as to what was going on.
The subject may not be officially dead yet. The art student matter may be taken up by the congressional committees investigating intelligence failures leading up to the Sept. 11 attacks, according to another source.
What about the crucial Washington Post article, in which anonymous federal agents alleged the DEA memo was the work of a disgruntled employee?
“The Washington Post article was a plant — that’s obvious. The story was killed,” Stability told me. Who planted the story? Stability claimed the FBI was behind it. “Every organization is running scared,” Stability added, “because they’re afraid of the next shoe to drop. There are many smoking guns out there, many. So consequently every one is at a level of heightened anxiety, and when they’re anxious they make mistakes.”
Yes, but what are they afraid of? What will the smoking guns prove? Questions, questions, labyrinthine questions, and the more you ask in this matter, the fewer get answered. When I called the CIA to inquire about the agency’s March 2001 alert — an alert that evinced deep disquiet over the affair — an official who was aware of the inquiry told me, “I’ll make a recommendation to you: Don’t write a story. This whole thing has been blown way out of proportion. As far as we’re concerned, we reported it, yes, but subsequently it’s nothing of interest to us. And we’ve just closed the book on it. And I really recommend you do the same. Let it go. There’s nothing here.”
Not everyone else in law enforcement is so sure. “There’s a lot of concern among the agents,” said the DEA source. “We’re investigators. We’re not satisfied when we don’t have answers. This is a mystery that has an answer, and it has to be resolved."
http://www.salon.com/2002/05/07/students/
Well, it appears it wasn't followed up, and these is the only links I could find to it:
From 2000 through to 2002 there were reports of hundreds of young Israelis posing as art students spying on US federal buildings and employees.
In January 2001 Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) field offices around the country reported that the "art students" had been attempting to penetrate offices for over a year, as well as other law enforcement and Department of Defence agencies. They had also visited the homes of many DEA officers and senior federal officials and attempted to sell art. Suspicious agents observed that when the "art students" departed they did not approach their neighbours. DEA Agents reported on 130 incidents involving "art students". Some "art students" were caught diagramming the architecture of federal buildings. Some were found to have photographed federal officials.[5]
According to Jane's Intelligence Digest, US officials admitted to reporters that the entire investigation had become "too hot to handle", but declined to give further details. In 2002 FBI officials confirmed that the Israelis were "running a major eavesdropping operation that had penetrated into the highest echelons of the US administration".[6]
https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Israeli_art_scam#Israeli_Spying_by_.22Art_Scam.22
Allies and EspionageJane’s Intelligence Digest, 3/15/2002It is rather strange that the US media, with one notable exception, seems to be ignoring what may well prove to be the most explosive story since the 11 September attacks - the alleged break-up of a major Israeli espionage operation in the United States which aimed to infiltrate both the justice and defence departments and which may also have been tracking Al-Qaeda terrorists before the aircraft hijackings took place.The Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) has been quick to dismiss a 4 March report by Intelligence Online, a French web site that specialises in security matters (and expanded on by French daily Le Monde the following day) that US authorities had arrested or deported some 120 Israelis since February 2001 and that the investigation was still continuing. The FBI insists that no Israeli has been charged with espionage, but has agreed that an undisclosed number of Israeli students have been expelled for "immigration violations". Justice Department spokeswoman Susan Dryden dismissed the espionage allegations as "an urban myth that’s been circulating for months..."If the reports from Paris are correct, it would be the largest known Israeli espionage operation mounted in the USA, the Jewish state’s closest ally and one on which it depends for its survival.Israel’s intelligence organisations have been spying on the USA and running clandestine operations on US soil since the Jewish state was established.This has included smuggling an estimated 200 pounds of weapons-grade uranium for its secret nuclear arms programme in the 1960s to widescale industrial espionage, much of it conducted by the highly secret Scientific Liaison Bureau, known by its Hebrew acronym Lakam, which was run by the Israeli Defence Ministry and its equally little-known successor Malmab (the Security Authority for the Ministry of Defence). Indeed, the General Accounting Office, the investigative arm of the US Congress, reported in April 1996 that Israel "conducts the most aggressive espionage operation against the United States of any US ally".While the sort of operation described by Intelligence Online and Le Monde (if indeed the allegation is true) is unlikely to have caused anywhere near the damage to US security inflicted by navy analyst Jonathan Pollard, an American who was sentenced to life imprisonment in 1987 for providing Israeli intelligence with a mountain of top secret material in 1984-85, it would still be political dynamite which could result in a political backlash against Israel which is finding itself increasingly isolated within the international community...US officials admitted to reporters that the entire investigation had become "too hot to handle", but declined to give further details. However, some FBI officials did confirm at the time that the Israelis were running a major eavesdropping operation that had penetrated into the highest echelons of the US administration.http://web.archive.org/web/20020321021731/http://real-info.1accesshost.com/janes1.html
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If I'm interested in a subject Rags I don't moan when someone gives me information, I read it. You on the other hand appear to moan whatever way that information is given. Now, I'm gonna finish reading it and get back to the subject.
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sassy wrote:If I'm interested in a subject I don't moan when someone gives me information, I read it. You on the other hand appear to moan whatever way that information is given. Now, I'm gonna finish reading it and get back to the subject.
See you in a couple of weeks then.
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Give over, 20mins tops. Speed reading is something I have done for a long time.
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sassy wrote:Give over, 20mins tops. Speed reading is something I have done for a long time.
Perhaps you could summarise the whole 60 pages when you return, but please make a note of where the relevant points are.
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Read it yourself. You can summarise the information, every bit is relavent.
Irn - that's incredible, they have all the passport numbers, addresses, car registrations. Counter-terrorism advisory reports! Why the hell were they going to Agents homes, as well as making diagrams of government buildings, and so many of them! Some of them had just left the IDF doing 'special' work etc. Why was this ever dropped, it's humungus!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Irn - that's incredible, they have all the passport numbers, addresses, car registrations. Counter-terrorism advisory reports! Why the hell were they going to Agents homes, as well as making diagrams of government buildings, and so many of them! Some of them had just left the IDF doing 'special' work etc. Why was this ever dropped, it's humungus!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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sassy wrote:Read it yourself. You can summarise the information, every bit is relavent.
Irn - that's incredible, they have all the passport numbers, addresses, car registrations. Counter-terrorism advisory reports! Why the hell were they going to Agents homes, as well as making diagrams of government buildings, and so many of them! Some of them had just left the IDF doing 'special' work etc. Why was this ever dropped, it's humungus!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So what is your conclusion?
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Antisemitism is alive and well in the warped mind of the left
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Raggamuffin wrote:sassy wrote:Read it yourself. You can summarise the information, every bit is relavent.
Irn - that's incredible, they have all the passport numbers, addresses, car registrations. Counter-terrorism advisory reports! Why the hell were they going to Agents homes, as well as making diagrams of government buildings, and so many of them! Some of them had just left the IDF doing 'special' work etc. Why was this ever dropped, it's humungus!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So what is your conclusion?
At the moment I want more info. On the face of it, this was espionage at such a huge scale, I can't work out why we haven't heard about it before.
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PMSL if ever there wa a lying skank, just try and keep a serious face after sasssy last post
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Here it is in the Torygraph that summarises what's in it the link above. Just posting it to stop the moaning minnies complaining that it's all too much for them lol
UP to 200 young Israelis, some of them former members of military intelligence units, have been arrested in America in the past year, a leaked government report disclosed yesterday.
Some had used cover stories to gain access to sensitive government buildings and the homes of American officials. The report said the actions of some of the Israelis, most of whom had outstayed tourist visas, "may well be an organised intelligence-gathering activity".
None of the Israelis, about 140 of whom are believed to have been detained before the September 11 attacks, has been charged and most have been deported, according to the US government.
A spokesman for the Israeli Foreign Ministry, Yaffa Ben-Ari, said it was "nonsense" that they had been spying on America. There has been no formal American allegation of spying by Israel although Tel Aviv has launched espionage operations against its principal ally in the past.
The leaked report was compiled by the Drug Enforcement Administration after some of its offices were allegedly targeted by Israelis posing as art students. "That these people are now travelling in the US selling art seems not to fit their background," the DEA report said.
On Oct 31, the FBI and Immigration and Naturalisation Service officers arrested about 60 young Israelis in San Diego, Kansas City, Cleveland, Houston and St Louis. All had been selling toys at kiosks in shopping centres across America and the FBI is reported to have been investigating this as a front operation for espionage activities.
Before that date, about 140 young Israelis had been detained, some for long periods, by the FBI and other federal agencies.
There is no evidence linking these arrests to the September 11 attacks although some intelligence commentators have pointed to allegations that Israel may have been shadowing Arab militants in America without sharing its knowledge with Washington.
The DEA report said most of the students questioned by American investigators acknowledged having served in units of the Israeli armed forces specialising in military intelligence, electronic signals interception or explosive ordnance.
It added that one person questioned was the son of an Israeli general, another had served as the bodyguard to the head of the Israeli Army and a third served in a Patriot missile unit.
Young Israelis are required to serve in the military and there is a long tradition that after completing their national service they take advantage of their freedom to go out and see the world.
In 1984, Jonathan Pollard, a US naval intelligence officer, was sentenced to life in prison for spying for Israel. (addition, he was released this year)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/1387069/US-arrests-200-young-Israelis-in-spying-investigation.html
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Its an old article that makes the same errors as already proven to be false
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Didge wrote:I see shes posts yet more hearsay also, when again this has been refuted by both Israel and the US, who as seen have no problem exposing each other over spying.
Its mainly hearsay claims based on some men that were arrested. Not only that the one person who had the documents, never once claim Mossad were behind this and that person would be Edward Snowden
Unraveling Anti-Semitic 9/11 Conspiracy Theories
Table of Contents
I. Executive Summary ............................................................................. 1
II. Introduction ......................................................................................... 5
III. Anti-Semitic Ideologies Fuel Conspiracy Theories..................................... 6
IV. 9/11 as a Call to Arms......................................................................... 8
V. Categories of Anti-Semitic 9/11 Conspiracy Theories............................. 10
VI. Conspiracy Theories 'Proving' Israelis/Jews Planned the Attacks ............ 10
A. Blaming the Mossad for the attacks ................................................ 10
B. Israeli art student 'spy ring'........................................................... 14
C. Israeli companies 'spying'............................................................. 17
D. 'Jewish ownership' of the World Trade Center .................................. 19
VII. 'Corroborating' Conspiracy Theories ..................................................... 20
A. Four thousand Israelis told to stay home ......................................... 20
B. Five Israeli 'spies' found taping the WTC disaster............................. 22
VIII. Anti-government Conspiracy Theories ................................................... 24
IX. The 9/11 Conspiracy Theory Industry................................................... 25
X. Conclusion......................................................................................... 26
http://archive.adl.org/anti_semitism/9-11conspiracytheories.pdf
Best people read the facts instead of listening to that nazi skank who gets away daily promoting her racist bile
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Why would Israelis be interested in the DEA?
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Raggamuffin wrote:Why would Israelis be interested in the DEA?
That's what I would like to know.
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And of course the Nazi skank has verified the claims in the Telegraph?
No, did not think so and shows why she is a gullible twat
No, did not think so and shows why she is a gullible twat
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Maybe there are things hidden in the paintings - did anyone check?
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That's what I call lateral thinking Rags. However, in the papers that were too long for you to read, it appeared that the 'artwork' were cheap copies, bought locally in the most part, and just used as an excuse to get into government buildings and agent's homes.
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Paintings are good for hiding documents in - just slip them in the back and nobody would know.
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I cannot believe she still believes all this conspiracy shit lol
That is what you call a right idiot
That is what you call a right idiot
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It's certainly a puzzle, will see if I can find anything else.
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sassy wrote:That's what I call lateral thinking Rags. However, in the papers that were too long for you to read, it appeared that the 'artwork' were cheap copies, bought locally in the most part, and just used as an excuse to get into government buildings and agent's homes.
I find that a bit implausible. If I wanted access to a government building, I'd find a better way than pretending to sell paintings.
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Raggamuffin wrote:Paintings are good for hiding documents in - just slip them in the back and nobody would know.
lol are resident Columbo, or more like you have watched to many of his episodes
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Raggamuffin wrote:sassy wrote:That's what I call lateral thinking Rags. However, in the papers that were too long for you to read, it appeared that the 'artwork' were cheap copies, bought locally in the most part, and just used as an excuse to get into government buildings and agent's homes.
I find that a bit implausible. If I wanted access to a government building, I'd find a better way than pretending to sell paintings.
Well so would I, but according to those verified original documents, and the original report of the actual people and offices it happened to, that's what was used. The report was from every DEA office all over America as to what had happened. Some had nothing to report, but many said exactly the same thing. When then held the Israelis, they got their passport numbers, addresses, car plates etc and they were deported.
More to the point, why were the DEA so interested in all these Israeli's in the first place?
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sassy wrote:Raggamuffin wrote:
I find that a bit implausible. If I wanted access to a government building, I'd find a better way than pretending to sell paintings.
Well so would I, but according to those verified original documents, and the original report of the actual people and offices it happened to, that's what was used. The report was from every DEA office all over America as to what had happened. Some had nothing to report, but many said exactly the same thing. When then held the Israelis, they got their passport numbers, addresses, car plates etc and they were deported.
Yes but the paintings might not have just been a pretext, they might have played a real part in whatever was going on - ie, as I said, documents could be hidden in them, and also photos.
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Israeli art student 'spy ring' The conspiracists’ preoccupation with Israeli intelligence forms the basis of many conspiracy theories, including those in which the Mossad is not the culprit but rather the knowing bystander who does nothing. In this regard, the theory that has received the most attention in far-right publications and the Arab press, as well as in the mainstream media, claims that an Israeli spy ring had been tracking the 9/11 hijackers but did nothing to stop their attack. The theory implies that Israel would allow thousands of innocent people to die rather than compromise its operations in the United States, a notion that reinforces stereotypes of the inherent evil of the Jews, the disdain they feel for non-Jews, and their perception of the U.S. used simply as a tool for Israel. Many far-right and white supremacist magazines cited as precedent the case of Jonathan Pollard, the an American Jew convicted for sharing intelligence secrets with Israel. However, the first reports of an alleged Israeli spy ring came not from an extremist source but a mainstream one, inspiring other reports in both mainstream and extremist media outlets. In December 2001, Carl Cameron of Fox News reported that over 100 Israelis who had been detained or arrested in the U.S. both before and after 9/11 had claimed to be students from an art school in Jerusalem. He implied that the students were possibly spies who had gathered intelligence about the 9/11 attacks and had not shared it with the U.S. government. Cameron was quick to add that there was no indication that the Israeli government was involved in the attacks. In addition, he reported that federal agents with whom he spoke were reluctant to talk about the "spy ring" out of fear of committing "career suicide," thus implying a cover-up was underway. Soon after Cameron's reports, both the Arab media and far-right press in the U.S. began reporting that an Israeli spy ring operated in this country, and might have had pertinent infor-mation about the 9/11 attacks which it did not share with the U.S. government. In March 2002, an Internet-based French publication, Intelligence Online, claimed that it had exclusive access to information proving that an Israeli spy ring had tried to infiltrate the U.S. Justice and Defense Departments. As evidence, the Web site referred to an alleged Drug Enforcement Agency (DEA) report circulating before 9/11 that had warned agents about young Israelis posing as art students. According to Intelligence Online, this report said that the students had acted suspiciously and may have tried to gather intelligence at federal installations, and had also appeared at federal agents' homes. In addition, the DEA report supposedly said that most of the Israelis that had been detained and questioned by authorities "acknowledged having served in military intelligence, electronic signals interception or explosive ordnance units in the Israeli military." Articles about the Israeli spy ring also began to appear in the mainstream press — including on the Associated Press wire; in Le Monde, the French newspaper; in Insight On the News — The Washington Times magazine; the Forward, a New York-based Jewish newspaper; and elsewhere. In the wake of these reports, the Washington Post investigated the story and concluded that it was apocryphal, quoting officials who called the spy ring story nothing more than an "urban myth." The FBI, the Department of Justice, and Israeli authorities also denied that a spy ring existed, but said that a number of young Israelis who had violated their visas had been deported from the U.S. Some authorities attributed the story to a disgruntled DEA agent convinced that Israel had been spying. A few mainstream publications speculated that the Israelis were not tracking Muslim extremists but instead DEA agents on behalf of a criminal syndicate involved in the drug trade. According to articles in Insight and the Forward, some authorities also thought that there may have been two different groups trying to infiltrate federal installations: the Israeli group, which may have had a "legitimate money-making goal," and "a non-Israeli group" that "may have ties to a Middle Eastern Islamic fundamentalist group." Conflicting and confusing accounts like these fueled theories that the Israelis may have been trailing and even controlling the Islamic militants who carried out the 9/11 attacks. Reports that Israelis had tracked the hijackers were enhanced by allegations that the Israeli "art students" had actually resided in the same areas as the hijackers. The French Web site Intelligence Online reported that many of the students lived in the same cities as the hijackers in order to track them, and therefore may have known what they had planned for 9/11. Le Monde also raised the possibility that the Israelis had trailed Al Qaeda operatives without telling the U.S. government. White supremacist, far-right and conspiracy-oriented publications quickly picked up the idea that Israeli spies kept knowledge about the imminent attacks from the U.S. government. William Pierce, the now-deceased head of the National Alliance, claimed in a March 2002 American Dissident Voices (ADV) radio broadcast that "if these Israeli spies had been charged with espionage and put on trial, what almost certainly would come out of the trials is that Israel knew about September 11 ahead of time and deliberately withheld the information from us so that the attacks could be carried out as planned." In his newsletter, David Duke agreed with Pierce’sassessment, telling readers, "Not only did the Israeli spies penetrate American law enforcement and military facilities, they also conducted intensive surveillance of al-Qaida operatives in the United States, including the ringleader of the September 11 attacks, leading government agents to believe that Israeli intelligence had prior knowledge of the details of the 9-11 attack and treacherously did not give American officials information that could have easily prevented the attack and resulted in the capture of the terrorists." Michael Hoffman, a Holocaust denier and anti-Semitic conspiracy theorist, also implied that the Israelis knew about 9/11 in advance when he alleged that Israeli "spies" and the ringleader of the 9/11 attacks, Mohammed Atta, lived on the same street in Hollywood, Florida. Some conspiracy theorists claimed that the CIA had worked closely with the alleged Israeli spies. An article in Criminal Politics claimed that the Israeli spies actually worked for the CIA. The magazine's editor wrote that the activity of the spies "was probably organized by the CIA," and that they had likely let the CIA in on the "exact planning activity…and whereabouts of the 20 hijackers and their associates." In May 2002, journalist Christopher Ketcham wrote an extensive article on the Israeli art student "mystery" for the online magazine Salon, in which he attempted, by summarizing the different theories about the students, to reach a plausible conclusion. Ketcham traced the history of the alleged spy ring, from alleged reports emanating from the DEA starting in January 2001 to the numerous arrests of the students after 9/11. He reported that the first media outlet to publicize the Israeli art student spy story was actually KHOU-TV in Houston, which "told viewers about a 'curious pattern of behavior' by people with 'Middle Eastern looks' claiming to be 'Israeli art students,'" who had appeared at federal facilities in Houston. The station reported that these students had been at sensitive government sites in eight other states. According to Ketcham, one analyst told the station that "such activity suggested a terrorist organization 'scouting out potential targets and…looking for targets that would be vulnerable.'" Shortly after the Houston TV station’s report, Cameron presented his reports on the Israeli art students on Fox News. It was Cameron’s report that most likely inspired the follow-up stories in Intelligence Online, Le Monde, Insight on the News, and Ketcham’s report in Salon. 16 Unraveling Anti-Semitic 9/11 Conspiracy Theories The September 2001 issue of the antiSemitic, conspiracy-oriented magazine Criminal Politics claims that Israel and the U.S. knew about the 9/11 attacks. “Not only did the Israeli spies penetrate American law enforcement and military facilities, they also conducted intensive surveillance of al-Qaida operatives in the United States.” Ketcham made a number of assertions in his report that appeared to verify the existence of a spy ring. He claimed that he had been contacted by a secret source named "Stability" who told him that a number of federal agents believed that the art students were spies. However, "Stability" said that certain government officials were putting pressure on the agents to drop the case, and that those who pursued it were subject to "direct and indirect smears." Ketcham also stated that the U.S. government has released reports revealing that Israel regularly spies on the U.S., but because of the two countries' "strategic alliances" the U.S. does not publicly object. Ketcham not only wrote about conspiracies around the Israeli art students, he also generated conspiracies involving the media's treatment of the story. Ketcham wrote that Cameron’s Fox News reports were removed from the Fox network’s Web site and could not be accessed anywhere on the Internet. He also said that other news organizations were denied access to the reports when they requested a copy. Ketcham made these points in his article after he had discussed the power of "various pro-Israel groups" in the U.S., and their ability to keep both media and government officials from criticizing Israel. Ketcham seemed to be implying that the removal of Cameron's reports was due to the pressure put on Fox News by the "Israel lobby" to kill this story, and perhaps prevent the truth from getting out about the spy ring — why else would Fox go out of its way to get rid of the transcripts of Cameron’s report? Ketcham finally theorized about the possible motivation behind the alleged Israeli art students. He speculated that the Israelis could be an actual espionage ring; a group acting on behalf of a crime syndicate involved in Israel’s drug trade (which is why DEA agents were targeted); a "smoke screen" intended to "create confusion and allow actual spies" to do their work; or merely art students selling artwork, albeit illegally. Ketcham did not come to a conclusion. For anti-Semitic conspiracy theorists, however, a conclusion was easy to reach: the alleged spy ring was "proof" of Israel and the Jews' inherent treachery and utter disregard for non-Jewish human life. The mainstream media's focus on the issue validated it for many on the far-right, and led anti-Semites to hope that audiences beyond their own circle might be more willing to accept the theory as true and realize that Jews deserved blame for the 9/11 attacks.
http://archive.adl.org/anti_semitism/9-11conspiracytheories.pdf
http://archive.adl.org/anti_semitism/9-11conspiracytheories.pdf
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Well so would I, but according to those verified original documents, and the original report of the actual people and offices it happened to, that's what was used. The report was from every DEA office all over America as to what had happened. Some had nothing to report, but many said exactly the same thing. When then held the Israelis, they got their passport numbers, addresses, car plates etc and they were deported.
Yes but the paintings might not have just been a pretext, they might have played a real part in whatever was going on - ie, as I said, documents could be hidden in them, and also photos.
That's why you needed to read the report. They had to be a pretext, some of them were only obtained by the Israeli's from art shorps near the buildings just before they went in.
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On the other hand, even though it's unlikely that people would buy paintings from someone who knocked at their door, it would be a good excuse to ask to come in as it's difficult to show someone a large painting on the door step. Were the paintings large?
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Executive Summary A new report by ADL reveals that anti-Semitic conspiracy theories placing the blame for the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks on Jews and Israel continue to gain currency around the world, and are contributing to a new form of global anti-Semitism. These theories, increasingly popular among American right-wing extremists, white supremacists, and in the Arab and Muslim world, claim that Israel, not Osama bin Laden, was behind the horrible events of 9/11.
• These theories are a new spin on centuries-old allegations charging that Jews manipulate and control world events for their own benefit, and are willing to wreak havoc on the world in order to gain power. Conspiracists circulating these theories argue that the 9/11 attacks fit into the pattern of deception, manipulation, and evil that has been the Jews' "trademark."
• The conspiracy theories, in conjunction with the Internet, have facilitated an unprecedented cross-fertilization of anti-Semitic ideas between European and American anti-Semites on one hand, and Muslim and Arab anti-Semites on the other.
• Both anti-Semitic and non-anti-Semitic 9/11 conspiracy theories have grown to such an extent that they form a virtual industry that includes books, pamphlets, videotapes, Web sites and speakers. The white supremacist Creativity Movement (under their former name World Church of the Creator), for instance, published "The Truth about 9-11: How Jewish Manipulation Killed Thousands." The anti-Semitic American Free Press published a 60- page report with a similar theme, entitled, "Did Israeli Spies Have Advance Knowledge of the 9-11 Attacks?" Future Impact
• These conspiracy theories are likely to form the basis of a new anti-Semitic canard that will linger for decades and be used to demonize Jews and Israel. They allow anti-Semites to blame Jews for the worst terrorist act ever committed and to blame them as well for its consequences, including military actions. Allegations of Jewish culpability in the 9/11 attacks may even be used as justification for future acts of anti-Semitic violence.
• Although anti-Semitic conspiracy theories have not been accepted in mainstream circles in the U.S., this is not the case in the Arab and Muslim world where there is considerable belief that Jews and Israel are behind the 9/11 attacks. I. Anti-Semitic Basis of 9/11 Conspiracy Theories
• Anti-Semitic conspiracists claim that the 9/11 attacks were actually carried out by Israeli agents, who they allege are the only ones with enough cunning and wickedness to commit such an act. Unraveling Anti-Semitic 9/11 Conspiracy Theories 1
• Their theories bring the Protocols of the Elders of Zion into the 21st century, updating a familiar theme: that Jews are inherently evil and have a "master plan" to rule the world. II. Far-right extremists exploit 9/11 theories
• White supremacist and neo-Nazi groups adopted anti-Semitic 9/11 conspiracy theories because the theories confirm their belief in the inherent evil of Jews.
• Those who didn't blame Israel and the Jews directly for the attacks adopted conspiracy theories claiming that Israel knew about the attacks in advance because of spying operations in this country and did nothing to stop them, thus pointing to what they said was Israel's — and the Jews' — betrayal of the United States.
• These groups promoted the theories to convince the American public that hatred of Jews is justified, and to strengthen their membership and galvanize potential recruits to take action. III. Categories of Anti-Semitic 9/11 Conspiracy Theories The exchange of ideas between far-right extremists and certain Arab/Muslim circles has led to a proliferation of anti-Semitic 9/11 conspiracy theories, which are constantly recycled and redefined to place blame on Israel and the Jews. Some of these theories purportedly explain how the attacks were planned and carried out. Others provide corroborating “evidence” that the Mossad or Israelis/Jews planned the attacks or knew about them in advance. Conspiracy Theories 'Proving' Israelis/Jews Planned the Attack A number of theories imply that Israel would allow thousands of innocent people to die rather than compromise its intelligence operations in the U.S., a notion that reinforces stereotypes of the disdain they feel for non-Jews and the perception that Israel uses the U.S. as a tool for its own agenda.
• Blaming the Mossad. The biggest "villain" in anti-Semitic 9/11 conspiracy theories is the Mossad, Israel’s intelligence agency, portrayed as the only organization able to carry out such devastating acts. This perverse respect for the Mossad derives in part from antiSemitic notions that only Jews are sufficiently cunning, resourceful, and wicked to have carried out the attacks and blamed them on their enemies.
• "Israeli Art Student" Spy Ring. The theory that received the most attention in far-right publications and the Arab press, as well in the mainstream media, claims that an Israeli spy ring, allegedly made up of young Israelis claiming to be art students, had been tracking the 9/11 hijackers but did nothing to stop their attack. 2 Unraveling Anti-Semitic 9/11 Conspiracy Theories
• Israeli Companies Spying on the U.S. The "Israeli art student conspiracy" theory created speculation about another conspiracy theory — that Israeli spies used telecommunications systems set up by Israeli high-tech companies in the U.S. to spy on American law enforcement and military installments, and avoid detection about their pursuit of the hijackers.
• "Jewish Ownership" of the World Trade Center. Conspiracists focused not only on Israeliowned companies’ alleged involvement in the 9/11 attacks but also on what the "Jewish owners" of the World Trade Center stood to gain from its destruction. According to this theory, Jewish businessmen, in an effort to obtain millions of dollars in insurance money, plotted to destroy the World Trade Center. This conspiracy theory goes to the heart of the myth of the greedy Jew. Corroborating Conspiracy Theories 'Proving' Israeli/Jewish Involvement in the Attacks
• Four Thousand Israelis Told to Stay Home. Of the many conspiracy theories about Jewish/Israeli involvement in the 9/11 attacks, none has received more attention than the "4,000 Israelis" who allegedly worked at the World Trade Center and were warned by Israeli intelligence to stay home on 9/11, thus implying that Israel had foreknowledge of the attacks.
• Five Israeli "Spies" Found Taping the WTC Attacks. Another conspiracy theory involves five so-called Israeli "spies" caught videotaping and celebrating the destruction of the WTC. The accounts are partially factual: five men, who later turned out to be Israelis, were arrested after the attack, and one of them had photographed the burning Twin Towers. For conspiracy theorists, the story became yet more "proof" of Israel's involvement in the events of 9/11, despite the FBI's statement that it had found no connection between the five men and the attacks.
• These theories are a new spin on centuries-old allegations charging that Jews manipulate and control world events for their own benefit, and are willing to wreak havoc on the world in order to gain power. Conspiracists circulating these theories argue that the 9/11 attacks fit into the pattern of deception, manipulation, and evil that has been the Jews' "trademark."
• The conspiracy theories, in conjunction with the Internet, have facilitated an unprecedented cross-fertilization of anti-Semitic ideas between European and American anti-Semites on one hand, and Muslim and Arab anti-Semites on the other.
• Both anti-Semitic and non-anti-Semitic 9/11 conspiracy theories have grown to such an extent that they form a virtual industry that includes books, pamphlets, videotapes, Web sites and speakers. The white supremacist Creativity Movement (under their former name World Church of the Creator), for instance, published "The Truth about 9-11: How Jewish Manipulation Killed Thousands." The anti-Semitic American Free Press published a 60- page report with a similar theme, entitled, "Did Israeli Spies Have Advance Knowledge of the 9-11 Attacks?" Future Impact
• These conspiracy theories are likely to form the basis of a new anti-Semitic canard that will linger for decades and be used to demonize Jews and Israel. They allow anti-Semites to blame Jews for the worst terrorist act ever committed and to blame them as well for its consequences, including military actions. Allegations of Jewish culpability in the 9/11 attacks may even be used as justification for future acts of anti-Semitic violence.
• Although anti-Semitic conspiracy theories have not been accepted in mainstream circles in the U.S., this is not the case in the Arab and Muslim world where there is considerable belief that Jews and Israel are behind the 9/11 attacks. I. Anti-Semitic Basis of 9/11 Conspiracy Theories
• Anti-Semitic conspiracists claim that the 9/11 attacks were actually carried out by Israeli agents, who they allege are the only ones with enough cunning and wickedness to commit such an act. Unraveling Anti-Semitic 9/11 Conspiracy Theories 1
• Their theories bring the Protocols of the Elders of Zion into the 21st century, updating a familiar theme: that Jews are inherently evil and have a "master plan" to rule the world. II. Far-right extremists exploit 9/11 theories
• White supremacist and neo-Nazi groups adopted anti-Semitic 9/11 conspiracy theories because the theories confirm their belief in the inherent evil of Jews.
• Those who didn't blame Israel and the Jews directly for the attacks adopted conspiracy theories claiming that Israel knew about the attacks in advance because of spying operations in this country and did nothing to stop them, thus pointing to what they said was Israel's — and the Jews' — betrayal of the United States.
• These groups promoted the theories to convince the American public that hatred of Jews is justified, and to strengthen their membership and galvanize potential recruits to take action. III. Categories of Anti-Semitic 9/11 Conspiracy Theories The exchange of ideas between far-right extremists and certain Arab/Muslim circles has led to a proliferation of anti-Semitic 9/11 conspiracy theories, which are constantly recycled and redefined to place blame on Israel and the Jews. Some of these theories purportedly explain how the attacks were planned and carried out. Others provide corroborating “evidence” that the Mossad or Israelis/Jews planned the attacks or knew about them in advance. Conspiracy Theories 'Proving' Israelis/Jews Planned the Attack A number of theories imply that Israel would allow thousands of innocent people to die rather than compromise its intelligence operations in the U.S., a notion that reinforces stereotypes of the disdain they feel for non-Jews and the perception that Israel uses the U.S. as a tool for its own agenda.
• Blaming the Mossad. The biggest "villain" in anti-Semitic 9/11 conspiracy theories is the Mossad, Israel’s intelligence agency, portrayed as the only organization able to carry out such devastating acts. This perverse respect for the Mossad derives in part from antiSemitic notions that only Jews are sufficiently cunning, resourceful, and wicked to have carried out the attacks and blamed them on their enemies.
• "Israeli Art Student" Spy Ring. The theory that received the most attention in far-right publications and the Arab press, as well in the mainstream media, claims that an Israeli spy ring, allegedly made up of young Israelis claiming to be art students, had been tracking the 9/11 hijackers but did nothing to stop their attack. 2 Unraveling Anti-Semitic 9/11 Conspiracy Theories
• Israeli Companies Spying on the U.S. The "Israeli art student conspiracy" theory created speculation about another conspiracy theory — that Israeli spies used telecommunications systems set up by Israeli high-tech companies in the U.S. to spy on American law enforcement and military installments, and avoid detection about their pursuit of the hijackers.
• "Jewish Ownership" of the World Trade Center. Conspiracists focused not only on Israeliowned companies’ alleged involvement in the 9/11 attacks but also on what the "Jewish owners" of the World Trade Center stood to gain from its destruction. According to this theory, Jewish businessmen, in an effort to obtain millions of dollars in insurance money, plotted to destroy the World Trade Center. This conspiracy theory goes to the heart of the myth of the greedy Jew. Corroborating Conspiracy Theories 'Proving' Israeli/Jewish Involvement in the Attacks
• Four Thousand Israelis Told to Stay Home. Of the many conspiracy theories about Jewish/Israeli involvement in the 9/11 attacks, none has received more attention than the "4,000 Israelis" who allegedly worked at the World Trade Center and were warned by Israeli intelligence to stay home on 9/11, thus implying that Israel had foreknowledge of the attacks.
• Five Israeli "Spies" Found Taping the WTC Attacks. Another conspiracy theory involves five so-called Israeli "spies" caught videotaping and celebrating the destruction of the WTC. The accounts are partially factual: five men, who later turned out to be Israelis, were arrested after the attack, and one of them had photographed the burning Twin Towers. For conspiracy theorists, the story became yet more "proof" of Israel's involvement in the events of 9/11, despite the FBI's statement that it had found no connection between the five men and the attacks.
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Some of the Israelis were observed diagramming the inside of federal buildings. Some were found carrying photographs they had taken of federal agents. One was discovered with a computer printout in his luggage that referred to “DEA groups.”
You see? Paintings are perfect places to hide documents or drawings.
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Raggamuffin wrote:Some of the Israelis were observed diagramming the inside of federal buildings. Some were found carrying photographs they had taken of federal agents. One was discovered with a computer printout in his luggage that referred to “DEA groups.”
You see? Paintings are perfect places to hide documents or drawings.
Really that is your evidence?
Again source?
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Raggamuffin wrote:Some of the Israelis were observed diagramming the inside of federal buildings. Some were found carrying photographs they had taken of federal agents. One was discovered with a computer printout in his luggage that referred to “DEA groups.”
You see? Paintings are perfect places to hide documents or drawings.
Oh I agree, they are, but I don't think they ever found anything inside the paintings (were they framed anyway? Can't find a reference to that, they could have been canvas on a frame, you can't hide anything on them). It seems more logical they were a pretext to get it, as they refer to finding computer printouts in 'luggage', which would refer to a bag.
The report Irn posted by the DEA is very detailed about every single Israeli and what they were doing. On occasions they even followed them, and that is there as well. They searched their cars and homes in some cases before deporting them.
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lol cant find a reference.
lol what a surprise, maybe because its all bullshit
lol what a surprise, maybe because its all bullshit
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sassy wrote:Raggamuffin wrote:
You see? Paintings are perfect places to hide documents or drawings.
Oh I agree, they are, but I don't think they ever found anything inside the paintings (were they framed anyway? Can't find a reference to that, they could have been canvas on a frame, you can't hide anything on them). It seems more logical they were a pretext to get it, as they refer to finding computer printouts in 'luggage', which would refer to a bag.
With cheap framed paintings it's easy enough to pull off the back and put something inside. Where did the computer printout come from? Was it stolen?
Of course, it could just have been a scam to make money.
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Anti-Semitic Ideologies Fuel Conspiracy Theories
For conspiracists of any stripe, the "accepted" version of events is never acceptable. Events are never as they seem; the real explanation always lies hidden in the shadows. Conspiracy theorists take actual facts, or sometimes grains of truth, then exaggerate and manipulate them into propaganda useful for scapegoating particular groups. The 9/11 attacks were an unexpected windfall for anti-Semitic conspiracy theorists, who manipulated the very implausibility of the attacks. If it seemed unlikely that a small group of Muslim hijackers could simultaneously take control of four commercial airliners and pilot them on suicide runs to various destinations, conspiracy theorists argued that it seemed unlikely because this in fact was not what really happened. It was simply what the public was led to believe happened. Depicting Jews as sinister puppet masters, anti-Semitic conspiracy theorists explained that it was not radical Islamic terrorists who hijacked the planes but rather Israeli intelligence agents, the only ones with the sophistication, power, cunning and prowess to control events of such magnitude.
Exemplifying the perverse circular logic of conspiracy theories, anti-Semites blamed Israel and Jews for these attacks to justify their belief that Jews are inherently evil. In white supremacist and far-right circles, as well as in large sectors of the Arab and Muslim worlds, the 9/11 attacks have given rise to a new exploitation of anti-Semitic myths. The claim that Jews plot to control and manipulate world events to their advantage is not a new concept. The 9/11 anti-Semitic conspiracy theories exploited anti-Jewish conspiracy theo- 6 Unraveling Anti-Semitic 9/11 Conspiracy Theories ries and stereotypes that have been circulated for over a hundred years. A century ago, the forged Protocols of the Elders of Zion claimed that there was a secret and all-powerful group of Jews that controlled and manipulated world events for their own benefit, pitting people against people, nation against nation. Jews, claimed the Protocols, would not hesitate to create tragedy, turmoil and war when they believed it was in their best interest. The 9/11 conspiracy theories take the Protocols into the 21st century, echoing and expanding upon this familiar theme: that Jews have a master plan to rule the world. Many of the theories claimed that Jews, usually Israelis, concocted and carried out the 9/11 terrorist attacks in order to unleash the fury of the United States on the "enemy" of the Jews — the Muslims. The Arab and Muslim press quickly picked up on this theme and blamed the 9/11 attacks on a worldwide Jewish conspiracy. An article on the Web site Islamweb.net, registered to the State of Qatar, claimed, for example, that "the September 11 terrorist attacks on World Trade Centre (WTC) in New York and Pentagon in Washington were masterminded by an international Zionist organization, 'The Elders of Zion.'" Islamweb was not the only Arab/Muslim media source to promote this age-old conspiracy. In order to add veracity to its claim, the article on the site referred to another publication, the Lahore-based Urdu weekly, The Jihad Times, which reported that "the 300-member apex Zionist body consisting of peers of the Judaism in the world [sic], decided to avenge the anti-Israel bashing" at the August 2001 U.N.-sponsored conference against racism in Durban, South Africa, by carrying out the 9/11 attacks. According to Islamweb, the "Elders of Zion" acted because their interests were threatened and because the attacks also offered them an opportunity to scapegoat and blame Muslims. The article presented as fact various myths contained in the Protocols about the evil "Elders of Zion" meeting in a secret place to plot world domination. American white supremacists soon joined the Arab and Muslim anti-Semitic theorists who claimed that the world Zionists plotted the 9/11 attacks. An article in the Ohio-based antiSemitic conspiracy magazine Criminal Politics stated: The 9-11 catastrophic attacks on the American homeland was [sic] designed to FORCE American Presidential action to commit military force in the Middle East, and to protect Israel from its Arab neighbors. In 1991, a fake attack on Kuwait was organized by the CIA with Saddam Hussein to accomplish the exact same military action for the benefit of International Zionism….Now ten years later, Bush (the son) repeats the performance…but this time under the guise of an outrageous attack on our homeland perpetrated by brazen criminals in the Secret Societies dominated by Jewish Zionism. Unraveling Anti-Semitic 9/11 Conspiracy Theories 7 Image used on the now-defunct Web site of the white supremacist Creativity Movement (formerly World Church of the Creator) implies that Jews were behind the 9/11 attacks. “The September 11 terrorist attacks on World Trade Centre (WTC) in New York and Pentagon in Washington were masterminded by an international Zionist organization, ‘The Elders of Zion.’” Islamweb and Criminal Politics alike asserted that Jews control the world and cause catastrophic events in order to maintain their power, and that 9/11 was a manifestation of Jewish manipulation.
For conspiracists of any stripe, the "accepted" version of events is never acceptable. Events are never as they seem; the real explanation always lies hidden in the shadows. Conspiracy theorists take actual facts, or sometimes grains of truth, then exaggerate and manipulate them into propaganda useful for scapegoating particular groups. The 9/11 attacks were an unexpected windfall for anti-Semitic conspiracy theorists, who manipulated the very implausibility of the attacks. If it seemed unlikely that a small group of Muslim hijackers could simultaneously take control of four commercial airliners and pilot them on suicide runs to various destinations, conspiracy theorists argued that it seemed unlikely because this in fact was not what really happened. It was simply what the public was led to believe happened. Depicting Jews as sinister puppet masters, anti-Semitic conspiracy theorists explained that it was not radical Islamic terrorists who hijacked the planes but rather Israeli intelligence agents, the only ones with the sophistication, power, cunning and prowess to control events of such magnitude.
Exemplifying the perverse circular logic of conspiracy theories, anti-Semites blamed Israel and Jews for these attacks to justify their belief that Jews are inherently evil. In white supremacist and far-right circles, as well as in large sectors of the Arab and Muslim worlds, the 9/11 attacks have given rise to a new exploitation of anti-Semitic myths. The claim that Jews plot to control and manipulate world events to their advantage is not a new concept. The 9/11 anti-Semitic conspiracy theories exploited anti-Jewish conspiracy theo- 6 Unraveling Anti-Semitic 9/11 Conspiracy Theories ries and stereotypes that have been circulated for over a hundred years. A century ago, the forged Protocols of the Elders of Zion claimed that there was a secret and all-powerful group of Jews that controlled and manipulated world events for their own benefit, pitting people against people, nation against nation. Jews, claimed the Protocols, would not hesitate to create tragedy, turmoil and war when they believed it was in their best interest. The 9/11 conspiracy theories take the Protocols into the 21st century, echoing and expanding upon this familiar theme: that Jews have a master plan to rule the world. Many of the theories claimed that Jews, usually Israelis, concocted and carried out the 9/11 terrorist attacks in order to unleash the fury of the United States on the "enemy" of the Jews — the Muslims. The Arab and Muslim press quickly picked up on this theme and blamed the 9/11 attacks on a worldwide Jewish conspiracy. An article on the Web site Islamweb.net, registered to the State of Qatar, claimed, for example, that "the September 11 terrorist attacks on World Trade Centre (WTC) in New York and Pentagon in Washington were masterminded by an international Zionist organization, 'The Elders of Zion.'" Islamweb was not the only Arab/Muslim media source to promote this age-old conspiracy. In order to add veracity to its claim, the article on the site referred to another publication, the Lahore-based Urdu weekly, The Jihad Times, which reported that "the 300-member apex Zionist body consisting of peers of the Judaism in the world [sic], decided to avenge the anti-Israel bashing" at the August 2001 U.N.-sponsored conference against racism in Durban, South Africa, by carrying out the 9/11 attacks. According to Islamweb, the "Elders of Zion" acted because their interests were threatened and because the attacks also offered them an opportunity to scapegoat and blame Muslims. The article presented as fact various myths contained in the Protocols about the evil "Elders of Zion" meeting in a secret place to plot world domination. American white supremacists soon joined the Arab and Muslim anti-Semitic theorists who claimed that the world Zionists plotted the 9/11 attacks. An article in the Ohio-based antiSemitic conspiracy magazine Criminal Politics stated: The 9-11 catastrophic attacks on the American homeland was [sic] designed to FORCE American Presidential action to commit military force in the Middle East, and to protect Israel from its Arab neighbors. In 1991, a fake attack on Kuwait was organized by the CIA with Saddam Hussein to accomplish the exact same military action for the benefit of International Zionism….Now ten years later, Bush (the son) repeats the performance…but this time under the guise of an outrageous attack on our homeland perpetrated by brazen criminals in the Secret Societies dominated by Jewish Zionism. Unraveling Anti-Semitic 9/11 Conspiracy Theories 7 Image used on the now-defunct Web site of the white supremacist Creativity Movement (formerly World Church of the Creator) implies that Jews were behind the 9/11 attacks. “The September 11 terrorist attacks on World Trade Centre (WTC) in New York and Pentagon in Washington were masterminded by an international Zionist organization, ‘The Elders of Zion.’” Islamweb and Criminal Politics alike asserted that Jews control the world and cause catastrophic events in order to maintain their power, and that 9/11 was a manifestation of Jewish manipulation.
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Oh I agree, they are, but I don't think they ever found anything inside the paintings (were they framed anyway? Can't find a reference to that, they could have been canvas on a frame, you can't hide anything on them). It seems more logical they were a pretext to get it, as they refer to finding computer printouts in 'luggage', which would refer to a bag.
With cheap framed paintings it's easy enough to pull off the back and put something inside. Where did the computer printout come from? Was it stolen?
Of course, it could just have been a scam to make money.
Except they didn't make any, and so many of them had 'just left' the special divisions of the IDF.
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sassy wrote:Raggamuffin wrote:
With cheap framed paintings it's easy enough to pull off the back and put something inside. Where did the computer printout come from? Was it stolen?
Of course, it could just have been a scam to make money.
Except they didn't make any, and so many of them had 'just left' the special divisions of the IDF.
Why didn't they make any money? Did they fail to sell the paintings? That doesn't mean they didn't try.
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Re: The Israeli “art student” mystery
9/11 as a Call to Arms Before going into the various 9/11 conspiracy theories themselves, it is important to understand why so many anti-Semites were so quick to jump onto this particular bandwagon. The 9/11 terrorist attacks were so horrific and so surprising that they generated — and still generate — powerful emotions ranging from sorrow to fear to anger. Opportunistic anti-Semites sensed a chance to harness these emotions and employ them to achieve their own bigoted ends. White supremacist and neo-Nazi groups were quick to accept and promulgate anti-Semitic conspiracy theories to explain 9/11 because these theories confirmed their already established belief in the inherent evil of Jews, and they wanted to exploit the theories to gain the support of a suspicious and frightened American public looking for answers to the 9/11 tragedy. Groups like the National Alliance, the Creativity Movement (formerly known as the World Church of the Creator), and Aryan Nations wanted to engender anti-Jewish sentiment to strengthen their membership, galvanize potential recruits to take action, and convince the American public that hatred of Jews was justified. The groups used a number of tactics to publicize the Jews' or Israel's alleged responsibility for the attacks. During the year following the attacks, the National Alliance (the largest and most well-organized neo-Nazi organization in the United States) held four separate demonstrations outside the Israeli embassy in Washington, D.C., to protest U.S. support of Israel. Holding demonstrations was a relatively new tactic for the group, which had hitherto usually limited its public activities to leafleting, holding meetings, selling literature, and sponsoring white-power music concerts. Members of Aryan Nations and the Creativity Movement, as well as racist skinheads, joined the National Alliance at its demonstrations. All of these groups also distributed fliers that pictured Osama bin Laden and the burning Twin Towers and said, "Let’s Stop Being Human Shields for Israel," and posted them on-line. They saw an opportunity to exploit the attacks and the American public’s uncertainty and fear by blaming their own "enemy" — the Jews — for the events of 9/11. These groups didn't just blame Israel and Jews for the attack; many also adopted conspiracy theories claiming that even if Israel was not behind the attacks, it knew about the attacks in advance and did nothing to stop them, as will be seen later in this report. Their initial reaction, however, emphasized the loss of innocent American lives because of the Jews' alleged control of the U.S. government. On September 11, Matt Hale, head of the Creativity Movement, asserted in a press release that "the people of America deserve to know that the blood of innocents was shed because this government has America’s nose in business in which it does not belong and which benefits the Jews and no others." William Pierce, the now-deceased head of 8 Unraveling Anti-Semitic 9/11 Conspiracy Theories the National Alliance, made a similar point in a September 2001 American Dissident Voices radio broadcast. He stated that "seven thousand Americans were killed because our government has for decades been used to further the interests of Israel at the expense of the interests of the American people…." About one month after the 9/11 attacks, former Klan leader and neo-Nazi David Duke claimed that the government’s actions in Afghanistan and the "war on terror" were being carried out only to "strike devastating blows at Israel’s enemies." He repeatedly blamed America’s support of Israel for the attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon, and warned that the U.S. government’s continued support would lead to more loss of American lives and civil liberties. In addition to blaming the Jews and Israel for the 9/11 attacks, many anti-Semites also voiced support for the Arab and Muslim world, especially the Palestinian cause. However, this support did not stem from a genuine concern with the plight of Muslims or Palestinians. These groups followed the old adage "The enemy of my enemy is my friend." They were willing to make common cause with Arabs and Muslims to express what they assumed was a shared hatred of the Jews and a desire to blame the Jews for the world’s ills. In a fund-raising letter to supporters, the Institute for Historical Review (IHR), a Holocaust-denial organization, tried to use an anti-Israel, anti-Jewish appeal to raise money. "In the aftermath of the shocking Sept. 11 terrorist attacks," the IHR wrote, "which were an indirect consequence of our Israel-first foreign policy, and at a time of new threats against freedom and civil liberties, and of escalating Israeli brutality against Palestinians, the IHR’s voice of truth and sanity is more needed than ever." The letter went on to say that for years the IHR had spoken out "against the dangers to America and humanity of Jewish-Zionist power." Joshua Caleb Sutter, a Pennsylvania neo-Nazi active in an Aryan Nations faction, went even further. In response to a query from a BBC reporter, Sutter responded that "if Muslims were responsible for the WTC attacks no doubt their motivation was many pronged, but first and foremost to begin their ambitious process of destroying the United States infrastructure being as it is, the seat of World Zionist power. We support and will always support any and all actions which cause system disruption leading to total system breakdown." Since the 9/11 attacks, there have been increasing exchanges of ideas between white supremacist, neo-Nazi, and far-right circles on one hand and radical Arab and Muslim circles on the other. A number of Arab and Muslim publications and Internet groups have printed pieces by William Pierce and David Duke that blamed the attacks on Israel and the Jews. On the other side, some white supremacist and neo-Nazi groups have openly claimed to be trying to make Unraveling Anti-Semitic 9/11 Conspiracy Theories 9 Cartoon from the white supremacist Nationalist Movement blames Jews for allowing "Semites" into the U.S. contact with radical Muslim groups that want to destroy Israel and the Jewish people. This increased exchange between these groups that demonize the Jews has been one of the results of the 9/11 attacks.
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Re: The Israeli “art student” mystery
Raggamuffin wrote:sassy wrote:
Except they didn't make any, and so many of them had 'just left' the special divisions of the IDF.
Why didn't they make any money? Did they fail to sell the paintings? That doesn't mean they didn't try.
Read the report Rags. It's the original DEA report, gives you all the details.
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Yes lets look at the claim to the DEA report which is realy quite amusing when you read and understand how desperate the Nazi skank is
The DEA report on which the French journals based their investigations contained a wealth of remarkable tales. To take just a few samples:
Is that it?
lol
The DEA report on which the French journals based their investigations contained a wealth of remarkable tales. To take just a few samples:
- On March 1, 2001, a DEA special agent in the Tampa division offices “responded to a knock at one of the fifth floor offices. At the door was a young female who immediately identified herself as an Israeli art student who had beautiful art to sell. She was carrying a crudely made portfolio of unframed pictures.” Aware of the “art student” alert, the agent invited the girl to an interview room, where he was joined by a colleague to listen to the girl’s presentation. “She had approximately 15 paintings of different styles, some copies of famous works, and others similar in style to famous artists. When asked her name, she identified herself as Bella Pollcson, and pointed out one of the paintings was signed by that name.” Then things got interesting: In the middle of her presentation, she changed her story and claimed that the paintings were not for sale, but “that she was there to promote an art show in Sarasota, Fla., and asked for the agents’ business cards so that information regarding the show could be mailed to them.” Well, where’s the show? asked the agents. When’s it going up? Pollcson couldn’t say: didn’t know when or where — or even who was running it. Later it was determined that she had lied about her name as well.
- On Oct. 20, 2000, in the Houston offices of the DEA, a “male Israeli art student was observed by the Security Officers [entering] an elevator from a secure area. [The officers] were able to apprehend the art student before he could enter a secure area on the second floor.” Three months later, in January 2001, a “male Israeli” was apprehended attempting to enter the same building from a back door in a “secured parking lot area.” He claimed “he wanted to gain access to the building to sell artwork.”
- On April 30, 2001, an Air Force alert was issued from Tinker Air Force Base in Oklahoma City concerning “possible intelligence collection being conducted by Israeli Art Students.” Tinker AFB houses AWACS surveillance craft and Stealth bombers. The report does not elaborate on what kind of intelligence was being sought.
- On May 19, 2001, two Israeli nationals “requested permission to visit a museum” at Volk Field Air National Guard Base in Camp Douglas, Wis. “Approximately ten minutes after being allowed on the base, the two were seen on an active runway, taking photographs.” The men, charged with misdemeanor trespass, were identified as 26-year-old Gal Kantor and 22-year-old Tsvi Watermann, and were released after paying a $210 fine. According to the Air Force security officer on duty, “Both were asked if they were involved in the selling of art while in the U.S. Kantor became very upset over this, and questioned why they were being asked about that … Kantor’s whole demeanor changed, and he then became uncooperative.”
Is that it?
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Said I would do some digging Rags, here is a link to the report that went to the Senate
It appears to think that Mossad were trailing the people who did 9/11 but failed to give enough information (which the report thinks they had) for them to stop the bombing (which explains why the Israeli's on the TV show, who had been filming the explosions) said that they were there to film the incident.
After all, Netanyahu did say it was a very good thing for Israel.
Now, that might be the case, or it might not.
MEMORANDUM TO THE NATIONAL COMMISSION ON TERRORIST ATTACKS UPON THE UNITED STATES
THE SENATE SELECT COMMITTEE ON INTELLIGENCE
THE HOUSE PERMANENT SELECT COMMITTEE ON INTELLIGENCE
http://www.antiwar.com/rep2/MemorandumtotheCommissionandSelectCommitteesbold.pdf
It appears to think that Mossad were trailing the people who did 9/11 but failed to give enough information (which the report thinks they had) for them to stop the bombing (which explains why the Israeli's on the TV show, who had been filming the explosions) said that they were there to film the incident.
After all, Netanyahu did say it was a very good thing for Israel.
Now, that might be the case, or it might not.
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So what would be the connection of the 9/11 hijackers to the DEA?
I have a bit of problem with this claim that the dancing Israelis were there to document or film the event. The interview they did wasn't in English, so something might have been lost in translation. Also, they might have simply meant they were on the roof of the van in order to film the event in the same way that others were filming it.
I have a bit of problem with this claim that the dancing Israelis were there to document or film the event. The interview they did wasn't in English, so something might have been lost in translation. Also, they might have simply meant they were on the roof of the van in order to film the event in the same way that others were filming it.
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sassy wrote:Said I would do some digging Rags, here is a link to the report that went to the SenateMEMORANDUM TO THE NATIONAL COMMISSION ON TERRORIST ATTACKS UPON THE UNITED STATES
THE SENATE SELECT COMMITTEE ON INTELLIGENCE
THE HOUSE PERMANENT SELECT COMMITTEE ON INTELLIGENCE
http://www.antiwar.com/rep2/MemorandumtotheCommissionandSelectCommitteesbold.pdf
It appears to think that Mossad were trailing the people who did 9/11 but failed to give enough information (which the report thinks they had) for them to stop the bombing (which explains why the Israeli's on the TV show, who had been filming the explosions) said that they were there to film the incident.
After all, Netanyahu did say it was a very good thing for Israel.
Now, that might be the case, or it might not.
The above antiwar terrorist supporting shit is why it was rubbished and why again you have the likes of clowns like Corbyn also buy into this bullshit, because they invent falsified claims
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Raggamuffin wrote:So what would be the connection of the 9/11 hijackers to the DEA?
I have a bit of problem with this claim that the dancing Israelis were there to document or film the event. The interview they did wasn't in English, so something might have been lost in translation. Also, they might have simply meant they were on the roof of the van in order to film the event in the same way that others were filming it.
It didn't get lost in translation, I've actually had a friend who speaks hebrew translate it, and that is exactly what they said. Anyway, have to get on, this time I suggest your ead the link, which is the original that went to the Senate and will answer any questions you have.
PS, They were in place to film BEFORE the event happened. The only other film is from a camera crew that were filming something else near the Towers when the plane struck. THEY didn't know it was going to happen.
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sassy wrote:Raggamuffin wrote:So what would be the connection of the 9/11 hijackers to the DEA?
I have a bit of problem with this claim that the dancing Israelis were there to document or film the event. The interview they did wasn't in English, so something might have been lost in translation. Also, they might have simply meant they were on the roof of the van in order to film the event in the same way that others were filming it.
It didn't get lost in translation, I've actually had a friend who speaks hebrew translate it, and that is exactly what they said. Anyway, have to get on, this time I suggest your ead the link, which is the original that went to the Senate and will answer any questions you have.
PS, They were in place to film BEFORE the event happened. The only other film is from a camera crew that were filming something else near the Towers when the plane struck. THEY didn't know it was going to happen.
Jackanory lol
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sassy wrote:Raggamuffin wrote:So what would be the connection of the 9/11 hijackers to the DEA?
I have a bit of problem with this claim that the dancing Israelis were there to document or film the event. The interview they did wasn't in English, so something might have been lost in translation. Also, they might have simply meant they were on the roof of the van in order to film the event in the same way that others were filming it.
It didn't get lost in translation, I've actually had a friend who speaks hebrew translate it, and that is exactly what they said. Anyway, have to get on, this time I suggest your ead the link, which is the original that went to the Senate and will answer any questions you have.
PS, They were in place to film BEFORE the event happened. The only other film is from a camera crew that were filming something else near the Towers when the plane struck. THEY didn't know it was going to happen.
Where is the evidence that they were in place before the event happened? A witness said that whilst she was watching the Twin Towers through binoculars, she saw the guys filming it, but she didn't say that she saw them before that.
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"Our purpose was to document the event".
That's the translation which I've seen on You Tube. It could merely mean that they filmed it to document it like others did. Many people took videos of the twin towers - that's why there are videos out there of the second plane hitting the south tower.
That's the translation which I've seen on You Tube. It could merely mean that they filmed it to document it like others did. Many people took videos of the twin towers - that's why there are videos out there of the second plane hitting the south tower.
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Raggamuffin wrote:Paintings are good for hiding documents in - just slip them in the back and nobody would know.
Or listening devices
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