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Post by Guest Thu Feb 04, 2016 11:32 am

I am a 19-year-old woman from Manchester, I'm a student at Manchester Metropolitan University and I've been active in Labour Party politics since I was 18, and I must admit while it's been a bumpy ride, I've always managed to keep my head above the water and stick at it.

Until yesterday, I could talk to anybody about sexism in politics, and tell them although it is upsetting, it's never been bad enough to make me want to quit everything for good.

Until yesterday, I'd never had my appearance picked apart so ruthlessly online by internet trolls, I didn't want to leave the house.


Until yesterday, I'd never had to ring my parents in tears, concerned they'd see the article and believe the content.
Until yesterday I'd never been ashamed for how I look or the fact I'm proud of who I am.

Until yesterday, I'd never considered quitting everything, because of how embarrassed I was over what somebody wrote about me on the internet.

Yesterday, I got Guido'd. Like having your photo posted on Redwatch or in the Daily Mail, this is something anyone politically active on the left may have to deal with at some point.

Of course, being a young woman, the attack takes on a specific character. In this case it was that, having been selected for a liberation role on a committee, I couldn't possibly have got in on my own merits. Rather, I must have been gifted it because an older man found me young and attractive.

This was complemented by the usual trawling of social media for pictures of me out with friends or enjoying myself so that his followers could comment on my appearance. Discussing my politics seems to be beyond them. The body shaming, slut shaming, abusive nonsense continued as the blog pointed people towards my Twitter, making the usual retort that "you don't have to read the comments" irrelevant.

As I say, one expects this to some extent from the gutter press and the keyboard misogynists who get off on it. What is less cheering is when those supposedly on the left engage in this. Whether it is members of my own Labour Club who think it's an appropriate tool with which to advance their own ambitions, or a former director of the London Labour Party using it as an excuse to bash those in a different faction to him, this does tremendous damage to young women who want to get involved in the political process. This behaviour cannot be tolerated in our party. After all, how can we hope to challenge sexism in wider society if we tolerate it in our own structures?

I make no apologies for being a young woman at ease with her sexuality, with friends and a social life. I make no apology for being politically active, and fighting for what I believe in. I don't see a contradiction, and I won't be told I have to give up enjoying life to have my voice heard. In the words of Emma Goldman, comrades, "If I can't dance, I don't want to be part of your revolution."

The pictures they chose to publish, might be sexualised, they might not be what you find attractive, but I touch upon the point that those pictures are for me. Do you think I dress like that to please 50-year-old men, either in my political field or on a site like Guido? No I do not. I dress like that for myself. I take charge of my sexuality, and anyone who thinks that is somehow not my right to do so, well, you know where to go.

I want to use this as a way to help other women in this position. Never apologise for your sexuality. Never apologise for your successes. But you should never accept something like what I faced yesterday, because it is only in our reaction, that we can show them exactly, what we are made of.

I would like to take this opportunity to thank my family, my friends and the long list of people who have taken their time today to offer me support and love during what has been a difficult day.

And to those who have done quite the opposite, well you know where the door is.

Don't let it hit you on the way out.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/frankie-leach/frankie-leach_b_9139958.html

If anyone want to descend into the scummy pit inhabited by Guido Fawkes, this is the 'article' he put up, trying to imply something was going on that wasn't.   Foul little man, with a criminal record, beloved by RW thicko's.

http://order-order.com/people/frankie-leach/

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Post by Raggamuffin Thu Feb 04, 2016 11:37 am

I've never heard of him.
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Post by Guest Thu Feb 04, 2016 11:39 am

Really?  The Conservative Party is up his butt lol

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Post by Raggamuffin Thu Feb 04, 2016 12:09 pm

sassy wrote:Sounds like Stormee is thick as two planks to me.

Maybe you might want to say that about me too because I have no idea what this is about. Laughing There are some photos of a girl posing in an absurd manner, like so many other young girls do these days. So what?
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Post by Raggamuffin Thu Feb 04, 2016 1:04 pm

Oh right, I get it. She said she was having a tequila with John Lansman at 1.06 am, and three minutes later she said she'd been elected as the Momentum youth and students delegate for NW England.  

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Post by nicko Thu Feb 04, 2016 1:11 pm

Absolute bollocks, but then Sassy is all ways keen to put up articles that show Tories in a bad light, bit pathetic really.
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Post by Raggamuffin Thu Feb 04, 2016 1:36 pm

She's actually having a pop at other Labour supporters, plus she's drawing even more attention to her "sexuality" - something she mentions several times for some bizarre reason.

I think it's some mean comments she objects to rather than the Guido Fawkes thing. After all, they say that all publicity is good, and she certainly has taken advantage of that.
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Post by Guest Thu Feb 04, 2016 1:47 pm

You really don't get it do you.  She is having no pop at any Labour supporters, and it's all about Guido manipulating photos etc to make out she was having an affair with Landsman (which she wan't) and trying to infer that is why she got the job (which is also untrue).  Guido is the dirty face of Conservative dirt trawling, the very lowest order of scum.

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Post by Raggamuffin Thu Feb 04, 2016 1:56 pm

sassy wrote:You really don't get it do you.  She is having no pop at any Labour supporters, and it's all about Guido manipulating photos etc to make out she was having an affair with Landsman (which she wan't) and trying to infer that is why she got the job (which is also untrue).  Guido is the dirty face of Conservative dirt trawling, the very lowest order of scum.

Er, she was having a pop at Labour supporters.

As I say, one expects this to some extent from the gutter press and the keyboard misogynists who get off on it. What is less cheering is when those supposedly on the left engage in this. Whether it is members of my own Labour Club who think it's an appropriate tool with which to advance their own ambitions, or a former director of the London Labour Party using it as an excuse to bash those in a different faction to him, this does tremendous damage to young women who want to get involved in the political process.

As far as I can see, this Guido Fawkes has a go at loads of people, including Tories. I didn't see it as him saying she was having an affair either.

I know humbug when I see it, and I say that this girl is not as upset as she claims.
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Post by Guest Thu Feb 04, 2016 1:59 pm

Oh yes, a 19year old who has had her parents in tears is not going to be in the least upset Rolling Eyes   And the only 'publicity' has come from Guido, so she is bound to have arranged that  Rolling Eyes

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Post by Raggamuffin Thu Feb 04, 2016 2:08 pm

sassy wrote:Oh yes, a 19year old who has had her parents in tears is not going to be in the least upset Rolling Eyes   And the only 'publicity' has come from Guido, so she is bound to have arranged that  Rolling Eyes



I think this says more about Twitterers tbh. What's the first thing a lot of people do when they meet someone in a pub? Put their phone on the table in case they need to speak to someone more important than the person they're meeting, that's what - so rude IMO.

She's gone in there, and straightaway she's tapping on her phone to let everyone know she's having a drink with Lansman. Then she's offered this position of whatever it is, and she's there tap tap tapping away on her phone again. If people really need to let everyone know what they're doing as soon as they do it, of course they're seeking attention. She's also the sort of person who takes selfies and posts them at every opportunity.

Now she's done a blog to complain about her "sexuality" being used, and she's trying to claim that the Guido thing was supposed to make her feel ashamed of the way she looks. Get real!

I'm not knocking her for her ambition, I'm sure she'll go far, but let's not pretend that she's shocked and horrified.
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Post by Guest Thu Feb 04, 2016 2:11 pm

Good grief, I think you need to remember back to being 19, and how excited you got when something important in your life happened, and how pictures of you being shown countrywide, which had nothing to do with the night in question, would rock your confidence.   I find it quite disgusting that you would even think the above about a 19 year old girl.

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Post by Raggamuffin Thu Feb 04, 2016 2:14 pm

sassy wrote:Good grief, I think you need to remember back to being 19, and how excited you got when something important in your life happened, and how pictures of you being shown countrywide, which had nothing to do with the night in question, would rock your confidence.   I find it quite disgusting that you would even think the above about a 19 year old girl.



There's nothing wrong with this girl's confidence - she has plenty. You need to read between the lines Sassy.
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Post by Guest Thu Feb 04, 2016 2:17 pm

Let me tell you, my grandaughter is 21, sharp as a tack, streetwise and ambitious, but if someone put in a national publication that she had got a job by sleeping with an older man, she'd be in bits, and I'd find the bastard that wrote it, rip his head off his shoulders and shove it up his arse.

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Post by Raggamuffin Thu Feb 04, 2016 2:25 pm

sassy wrote:Let me tell you, my grandaughter is 21, sharp as a tack, streetwise and ambitious, but if someone put in a national publication that she had got a job by sleeping with an older man, she'd be in bits, and I'd find the bastard that wrote it, rip his head off his shoulders and shove it up his arse.

I didn't read it as she'd slept with Lansman to get a job, I read it as he gave her the job because she wears revealing clothes. It was more a pop at him really.

I'd never heard of Frankie Leach, but now I have - she made sure of that.

Don't get me wrong - it doesn't mean I don't like her. I don't know her, I just think that she's capitalising on this publicity.

The internet is an attention seeker's paradise - let's not forget that.
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Post by Guest Thu Feb 04, 2016 2:37 pm

I FGS, he might not have said it, but that was the implication.  Getting angry about something so scummy being done to you is capitalisation?    You would rather she just took it and slunk away?  Good on her, I hope she runs into Guido and gives him a bloody good slap.

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Post by Raggamuffin Thu Feb 04, 2016 2:44 pm

sassy wrote:I FGS, he might not have said it, but that was the implication.  Getting angry about something so scummy being done to you is capitalisation?    You would rather she just took it and slunk away?  Good on her, I hope she runs into Guido and gives him a bloody good slap.

It's not how I read it. I read it as him being swayed by a young woman wearing revealing clothes. It was clearly not actually serious.

I've had a look at this Guido Fawkes, and I see he had a pop at Boris about an alleged bald spot, and a pop at another Tory for not noticing a large amount of money going into his account.

If you're going to dabble in politics, or go into it full steam, you need to be tough and you have to roll with the punches. I said much the same about Lucy Allan, who over-reacted to some rude guy who sent her an email.

I say that this young woman is not at all ashamed of the way she looks at all, so spare me the tears. The fact that she didn't slink off shows that she has plenty of confidence, yes? I think you're worrying too much.
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Post by Guest Thu Feb 04, 2016 2:49 pm

'Wearing revealing clothes'!   You do realise that those photos were NOT taken at the meeting but were from a few years before?

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Post by Raggamuffin Thu Feb 04, 2016 2:51 pm

sassy wrote:'Wearing revealing clothes'!   You do realise that those photos were NOT taken at the meeting but were from a few years before?

Yes, I do realise that Sassy.

Not too many years beforehand I hope - she's only 19 now. Laughing
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Post by Raggamuffin Thu Feb 04, 2016 2:59 pm

Look, it's not rocket science. The girl could have come back with some witty comment of her own, but instead she chose to get all outraged and bang on about her "sexuality" and even pretend that she was ashamed of the way she looks. Does anyone really believe she is?

Look at Cheryl Cole. I actually like Cheryl Cole, but she made a huge fuss because some people were saying that she's too thin. She took the view that it should be illegal to say that sort of thing FFS. The point is that she isn't naturally that thin anyway.
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Post by Raggamuffin Thu Feb 04, 2016 3:32 pm

Did Jeremy Corbyn's brother really laugh at the death of a man and child?

http://order-order.com/2016/02/02/corbyn-bros-bizarre-response-to-death-of-man-and-4-year-old-son-lol/
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Post by Syl Thu Feb 04, 2016 5:19 pm

The problem is if you post things on social network sites people will comment.
I know this girl is young, but she cant be so innocent as to think if she posts pics of herself pouting and posing, then posts that she is having drinks with (no idea who he is but she was obviously impressed) she is fair game for some opportunistic journalist (never heard of him either) to have a pop.

I actually agree with Stormee.......if she had ever joined a chat forum she would face far worse than that comment.

She has brought a lot more attention to herself than anyone else has, so she will probably do well in her chosen field. Wink
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Post by Raggamuffin Thu Feb 04, 2016 5:33 pm

Why does she keep drawing attention to Jon Lansman's age?

Still, at least she only mentioned 50-year old men, and she didn't start banging on about 60-year old men. He might have objected to that as he's 58. Laughing
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Post by eddie Thu Feb 04, 2016 8:17 pm

Oh my God! So what??! Get over it love!
Jesus, don't read the fucking comments and don't care about them!
She's got into the pubic eye then makes more of it by going more public, then fucking crying about it!!
"Some boy picked on me! Where's my mummy's tit?"

Listen, don't moan that some pictures of you out in public made it online and people have commented. Of course they commented! That's the media, that's people, that's life!!

Get a grip. It's life. Some people are just big babies.
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eddie wrote:Oh my God! So what??! Get over it love!
Jesus, don't read the fucking comments and don't care about them!
She's got into the pubic eye then makes more of it by going more public, then fucking crying about it!!
"Some boy picked on me! Where's my mummy's tit?"

Listen, don't moan that some pictures of you out in public made it online and people have commented. Of course they commented! That's the media, that's people, that's life!!

Get a grip. It's life. Some people are just big babies.

Haha!

Look at what the girl has achieved overnight. She's got a bunch of feminists who now admire her greatly, she's got a bunch of guys admiring her dress sense, and she's managed to flatter Jon Lansman by implying that he's 50. I'd say she's not upset at all, she's made the most of a situation and is probably even thanking Guido Fawkes.
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Post by Syl Fri Feb 05, 2016 3:38 pm

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eddie wrote:Oh my God! So what??! Get over it love!
Jesus, don't read the fucking comments and don't care about them!
She's got into the pubic eye then makes more of it by going more public, then fucking crying about it!!
"Some boy picked on me! Where's my mummy's tit?"

Listen, don't moan that some pictures of you out in public made it online and people have commented. Of course they commented! That's the media, that's people, that's life!!

Get a grip. It's life. Some people are just big babies.

Haha!

Look at what the girl has achieved overnight. She's got a bunch of feminists who now admire her greatly, she's got a bunch of guys admiring her dress sense, and she's managed to flatter Jon Lansman by implying that he's 50. I'd say she's not upset at all, she's made the most of a situation and is probably even thanking Guido Fawkes.

If she carries on like that she will end up leading the Labour party.
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Post by nicko Fri Feb 05, 2016 4:27 pm

WELL, they'v got one Big Girls Blouse already!
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