Daniel Pelka Father Hanged

eddie wrote:See rags? Better to get most of the story in the OP isn't it?

Anyway, glad he's dead.
Wish it hadn't been as quick as a hanging.

Original Quill wrote:It proves a point.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Original Quill wrote:It proves a point.

It proves nothing whatsoever. I'm not particularly squeamish, but I don't really want to come across that kind of picture suddenly when I'm not expecting it.

Original Quill wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

It proves nothing whatsoever. I'm not particularly squeamish, but I don't really want to come across that kind of picture suddenly when I'm not expecting it.

To the contrary, it proves that hanging is not quick...provided that it is done to strangle, not to break the neck.  The individuals depicted were subjected to strangulation.

But there are taboo subjects.  Porn, for example...  Maybe hanging shouldn't be discussed.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

To the contrary, it proves that hanging is not quick...provided that it is done to strangle, not to break the neck.  The individuals depicted were subjected to strangulation.

But there are taboo subjects.  Porn, for example...  Maybe hanging shouldn't be discussed.

It wasn't a video so it proves nothing.

All I'm saying is that there was no need to post a pic. If you wanted to address the issue, all you had to do was say that it's not quick.

Original Quill wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

It wasn't a video so it proves nothing.

All I'm saying is that there was no need to post a pic. If you wanted to address the issue, all you had to do was say that it's not quick.

Still photos convey a lot...a fact that I learned years ago as a trial lawyer.  For example, the fact that the necks in the picture are not abnormally kinked to the side, or stretched, means that the men died as a result of asphyxiation.  

Remember the germane point was whether the death was quick.  Asphyxiation would take much longer, and would presumably cause greater, more protracted suffering.  This could be important in the question of, say, whether the sentence of hanging is 'cruel and unusual punishment' as prohibited by the 8th Amendment to the US Constitution.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Still photos convey a lot...a fact that I learned years ago as a trial lawyer.  For example, the fact that the necks in the picture are not abnormally kinked to the side, or stretched, means that the men died as a result of asphyxiation.  

Remember the germane point was whether the death was quick.  Asphyxiation would take much longer, and would presumably cause greater, more protracted suffering.  This could be important in the question of, say, whether the sentence of hanging is 'cruel and unusual punishment' as prohibited by the 8th Amendment to the US Constitution.

I think eddie was just making a remark - she didn't necessarily require proof that it wasn't quick.

All photos like that should be linked to rather than just posted, and a warning should be posted as well. It's just polite and considerate to do that.

Original Quill wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

I think eddie was just making a remark - she didn't necessarily require proof that it wasn't quick.

All photos like that should be linked to rather than just posted, and a warning should be posted as well. It's just polite and considerate to do that.

But don't you think that a question of constitutional proportions is relevant and important enough to discuss?  And if there's one thing that we've learned, it is that hanging kills in at least two different ways.  Sometimes the probative value overrules the prejudicial effect of a piece of evidence.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

But don't you think that a question of constitutional proportions is relevant and important enough to discuss?  And if there's one thing that we've learned, it is that hanging kills in at least two different ways.  Sometimes the probative value overrules the prejudicial effect of a piece of evidence.

No, I don't think it's relevant or important in this context. Even if it was, you should still not have posted the pic without a warning.

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Raggamuffin wrote:

No, I don't think it's relevant or important in this context. Even if it was, you should still not have posted the pic without a warning.

Well, that's your subjective opinion.  Sometimes we are made to learn about things, even when we don't want to.  Sex education in schools, for example, was terribly unpopular here in the Bible-belt of America.  But someone deemed it important enough to persevere.  

Raggamuffin wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Well, that's your subjective opinion.  Sometimes we are made to learn about things, even when we don't want to.  Sex education in schools, for example, was terribly unpopular here in the Bible-belt of America.  But someone deemed it important enough to persevere.  

Look, can you please not post pics like that again? It's not much to ask is it? There's no need for gratuitous pics just because you want to prove something that wasn't really an issue anyway!

Tommy Monk wrote:The mother and step father were ultimately to blame but the warning signs were picked up much earlier by the school and local authorities who failed to act appropriately because their progressive leftie indoctrination made them think they were being racist for acting against foreign child abusers...

Stormee wrote:What a fabulous piece of news.

Pelka - who murdered the tragic four-year-old in a case which shocked Britain - has been found dead in prison.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3422872/Step-father-murdered-four-year-old-Daniel-Pelka-hanged-prison-cell.html#ixzz3yeSPW8le
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Raggamuffin wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Well, that's your subjective opinion.  Sometimes we are made to learn about things, even when we don't want to.  Sex education in schools, for example, was terribly unpopular here in the Bible-belt of America.  But someone deemed it important enough to persevere.  

Look, can you please not post pics like that again? It's not much to ask is it? There's no need for gratuitous pics just because you want to prove something that wasn't really an issue anyway!

eddie wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:The mother and step father were ultimately to blame but the warning signs were picked up much earlier by the school and local authorities who failed to act appropriately because their progressive leftie indoctrination made them think they were being racist for acting against foreign child abusers...

In a nutshell Tommy.



And Quill? A warning would be polite if you post a graphic picture.
Doesn't bother me but it bothers some.
Most of use put a warning before the pic and it seems to work.

Original Quill wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Look, can you please not post pics like that again? It's not much to ask is it? There's no need for gratuitous pics just because you want to prove something that wasn't really an issue anyway!

It's not gonna happen, sweetie.  If we accept the censorship of one, we must accept the censorship of all.  We've been all over this issue with respect to language, etc.  It's not as if we are looking at porn.  There is no prurient content in a picture that forces us to think about serious social issues.

This is an American site, and even though the issue is raised innocently enough with regard to a British story, my fears are that you (knowing you) will use a prohibition about hanging to prevent others from telling an important American story →



It's a bad precedent, that goes downhill from here.

Original Quill wrote:

eddie wrote:

In a nutshell Tommy.



And Quill? A warning would be polite if you post a graphic picture.
Doesn't bother me but it bothers some.
Most of use put a warning before the pic and it seems to work.

Silly nonsense.  I'll leave you to warn others.  

I have enough to do to craft my message and get it across, whatever it might be.  I'll warn everyone if I use the word (warning) cunt...at least that can be slipped in beforehand.

And you can warning us if you intend to write about any more conspiracy theories, eh?  

eddie wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:The mother and step father were ultimately to blame but the warning signs were picked up much earlier by the school and local authorities who failed to act appropriately because their progressive leftie indoctrination made them think they were being racist for acting against foreign child abusers...

In a nutshell Tommy.



And Quill? A warning would be polite if you post a graphic picture.
Doesn't bother me but it bothers some.
Most of use put a warning before the pic and it seems to work.

Stormee wrote:Innocent people hanged in America, never, John Wayne and Gregory Peck woulda been up in arms.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

It's not gonna happen, sweetie.  If we accept the censorship of one, we must accept the censorship of all.  We've been all over this issue with respect to language, etc.  It's not as if we are looking at porn.  There is no prurient content in a picture that forces us to think about serious social issues.

This is an American site, and even though the issue is raised innocently enough with regard to a British story, my fears are that you (knowing you) will use a prohibition about hanging to prevent others from telling an important American story →



It's a bad precedent, that goes downhill from here.

It's not an American site, it's a site which is run by an American.

You clearly have no consideration for others, no manners, and no common sense.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Silly nonsense.  I'll leave you to warn others.  

I have enough to do to craft my message and get it across, whatever it might be.  I'll warn everyone if I use the word (warning) cunt...at least that can be slipped in beforehand.

And you can warning us if you intend to write about any more conspiracy theories, eh?  

You didn't have a message to "craft" though, you just wanted to post a completely irrelevant graphic pic for no apparent reason. What next? Pictures of mutilated babies in a thread about the death of a baby just to prove that babies die?

Wiki wrote:Written by teacher Abel Meeropol as a poem and published in 1937, it protested American racism, particularly the lynching of African Americans. Such lynchings had reached a peak in the South at the turn of the century, but continued there and in other regions of the United States.

Original Quill wrote:

eddie wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:The mother and step father were ultimately to blame but the warning signs were picked up much earlier by the school and local authorities who failed to act appropriately because their progressive leftie indoctrination made them think they were being racist for acting against foreign child abusers...

In a nutshell Tommy.



And Quill? A warning would be polite if you post a graphic picture.
Doesn't bother me but it bothers some.
Most of use put a warning before the pic and it seems to work.

Silly nonsense.  I'll leave you to warn others.  

I have enough to do to craft my message and get it across, whatever it might be.  I'll warn everyone if I use the word (warning) cunt...at least that can be slipped in beforehand.

And you can warning us if you intend to write about any more conspiracy theories, eh?  

Original Quill wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

You didn't have a message to "craft" though, you just wanted to post a completely irrelevant graphic pic for no apparent reason. What next? Pictures of mutilated babies in a thread about the death of a baby just to prove that babies die?

I've already explained what the message is...so stop your whining.

The very act of hanging is symbolic in America.  Have you ever heard Billy Holiday's song, Strange Fruit Hanging (from the poplar trees)?

Wiki wrote:Written by teacher Abel Meeropol as a poem and published in 1937, it protested American racism, particularly the lynching of African Americans. Such lynchings had reached a peak in the South at the turn of the century, but continued there and in other regions of the United States.

Do you know what this means across the street from a black school?  Or in the front yard of a black family?



Maybe on an America site you might be a bit more sensitive about that, instead of your own selfish wants and desires...my precious, delicate flower.

Original Quill wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

It's not an American site, it's a site which is run by an American.

You clearly have no consideration for others, no manners, and no common sense.

And even less for cry-babies.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

And even less for cry-babies.

You're the one crying and whining because I pulled you up for your lack of consideration for others.

Original Quill wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

You're the one crying and whining because I pulled you up for your lack of consideration for others.

You are so insensitive.  Are you now willing to apologize?