Teenage school girl 'forced to get on knees' because her skirt was too short

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A 17-year-old schoolgirl was allegedly forced her to kneel down by her headmaster so he could measure her dress. Amanda Durbin, a student at Edmonson County High School in Kentucky, chose to wear a red and black jumper dress, measuring five inches above the knee, with leggings to classes last week, WBKO reports. She was called to the headmaster’s office after the dress was thought to be too revealing where, Miss Durbin claims, she was told to kneel on the ground so her headmaster could measure how far her dress fell from the floor. The student admitted she was uncomfortable kneeling in front of Principal Tommy Hodges and requested her parents to be present. Ms Durbin said it took her parents two hours to arrive at the school, during which time she was allegedly prohibited from attending lessons.

“I didn’t really appreciate having to get down on my knees, especially while I was in a dress,” she told BuzzFeed News. “It did make me feel a little embarrassed, a little insecure.” Miss Durbin’s dress was initially measured at five inches – within the school code – however, when asked to walk across the room with her hands in the air and then be measured again, the dress fell at eight inches, and she was asked to go home. Mr Hodges told WBKO everyone was aware of the school’s dress code, and many boys have been cited for ripped jeans.

“If the gap between the floor and the garment is more than six inches it’s out of dress code,” he told the station, adding that parents agree on and sign off the dress code at the beginning of the school year. Miss Durbin said wearing the dress was a “mature protest” over what she felt was an unfair dress code at the school.
“It was kind of a protest, but it was a mature protest,” she told Buzzfeed.
Miss Durbin said she has received some disapproval from her classmates for speaking out about the incident, but says she is proud of herself for protesting. “I’m hoping other girls will realise that you’re not some object,” she said.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/teenage-school-girl-forced-to-get-on-knees-because-her-skirt-was-too-short-a6828016.html

Yes because we naturally walk with are hands in the air. WTF

Completely agree with her stand that girls should not be treated as objects


I also think school uniforms or dress codes are utterly daft and backward

eddie wrote:

Didge wrote:


So schools that do not have a uniform do not have a send of team

Sorry Eddie, that is poor

The only thing uniforms do is show what school that child represents outside of school for good or bad

Exactly! Take your last sentence and think about it!

A child is instantly recognisable: if they're doing wrong outside of school, a person can reprt them to the school.
Likewise if their behaviour is exemplary.

I recently rang a school to compliment their students how polite they were on a bus I was on, offering their seats to me and my daughter and a friend and her daughter.

Uniform tells us we are part of something and that we represent something.

In this story in the OP though, I have to say I have no problem with her dress length.
She looks quite respectable to me.

So your only argument is on being recognized Eddie?

Not the greatest of reasons is it, as a child caught no matter in uniform will have their parents called in and their school known
I actually think its wrong a school should take credit for what a child does out of school that is good, as if it is the school that has made them do this which is false and a school should never take credit for that or be blamed if a kid acts out after school. They should not have that association ,which then a uniform gives

So sorry Eddie, that to me is not a valid reason, as why should a school take credit or have its reputation tarnished what a child does outside school?

To be fair, the issue in the OP isn't a school uniform -- they don't have one -- but the dress code. I'm not against dress codes, I just don't think they should be enforced so rigidly. Teachers and principals should have leeway in deciding what's inappropriate, and shouldn't feel they have to get a ruler out every time a girl wears a skirt.

No it's not my only point to having a uniform - it's just that rags keeps saying the things I also think but it's not worth me repeating her posts.

Look, I completely get where you're coming from about trying to create individuality in students, I do get that and to a point. I agree.

But a uniform not only looks smarter, thereby making students feel smarter and act accordingly, it also teaches children that they have to confirm in life at times, and it's only a few years of their lives!

Some jobs and careers have uniform. Is that wrong too?

And of course, there's the ease of getting dressed in the morning. Let me tell you, from a parental pint of view, they're a Godsend, as you must remember lol

eddie wrote:No it's not my only point to having a uniform - it's just that rags keeps saying the things I also think but it's not worth me repeating her posts.

Look, I completely get where you're coming from about trying to create individuality in students, I do get that and to a point. I agree.

But a uniform not only looks smarter, thereby making students feel smarter and act accordingly, it also teaches children that they have to confirm in life at times, and it's only a few years of their lives!

Some jobs and careers have uniform. Is that wrong too?

And of course, there's the ease of getting dressed in the morning. Let me tell you, from a parental pint of view, they're a Godsend, as you must remember lol

Smarter is down to personal preference Eddie, as it is to you what looks smart maybe removed as to what others think and again, in what benefit does looking smart achieve?
You are making subjective views and claims based to your own personal preference eddie, where to my preference I think children are going to adapt far better and easier with each other in their own clothes

Not only that Uniforms are an added expense to where children grow out of them very fast

Didge wrote:

korban dallas wrote:
bullshit its justifying bullying

and you spend your days on hear telling people how they are wrong with accusations of ,immature childish,poor , hate ect ect so false on every level hardly

i was bullied every day almost at school so much so i became a librarian so i did not have to go home at the same time as everybody else
i was bullied for my red hair ,my glasses,my bucked teeth but never for what i was wearing because we ALL wore the same uniform
they are many reasons kids get bullied and a way to stop that is to remove the reason ie conformity

so your wrong a uniform it is addressing one reason  

i used to be like you i thought i knew it all but then i grew up you should try it

are you a parent didge ? have you ever had your child come home upset because they where bullied at school
kids are nasty y they where in my day they are now and any measure that removes the causes of bullying is a good thing
ie a dress code that everybody has to follow
 

No I simply tell people they are immature if they are abusive as you have been yet again today
At no point have I told people they are immature for having a difference of opinion

No you said i had made a absurd point yet they is a lot of literature and peer reviewed studys that support both arguments but i am being absurd ?

Look you made a vile comment and have not the decency to say sorry is up to you Korben, as all can read what you said

yes they can

I am also sorry to hear you were bullied, as nobody deserves bullying, especially at the time of their life, when they are children

nobody deserves bullying i agree and a uniform removes a target for that ridicule so it adressing the problem unilaterally  ,kids have been bullied for many reasons since schools started sometimes  you can do something about it and a uniform is that  

Again this is not about me Korben, where I do not think I know everything, which again I would happily concede to you on many technical debates, as that is not something I am good at. So again, all I am seeing is more what you do not like is where I reason my points well. If you disagree with them, that is fine, it just means you think you are right also

i don`t need you to concede anything and even though i am highly technically qualified that does not mean i cant be wrong and have been on many occasions but what i don`t do in thous situations is denigrate people by calling them immature or childish or a poor view  as you do and its that that gets by back up

Uniforms, do not help bullying because it does not normalize how kids look out of school, where again many people come from different ethnic groups, religious groups, social groups, etc, where it makes for a more acceptable environment to be around this than making all uniformed. Again thinking this tackles bullying by removing an aspect is failing the victims of bullying itself, because the bullying has not been dealt with. The point to tackle bullying is that it is removed altogether, not something that can be used to bully someone with. 


how does a uniform not normalise ? we are talking about a a 6 hour ish period where you have to follow the rules
in fact i think the loss of a uniform in school is why our children and education has gone to hell in a hand basket because rules don`t matter any more  

So your claims to thinking you know me are far removed and again I have learn from people on these forums, which would be impossible if I though I knew everything

claims to thinking you know me ? where have i made that claim , i dont read a book and think i can diagnose or assign psychological motives to people, i have read a breif history of time doesn`t make me a physicist

You need to get over why you dislike me, because its evident that you do by all the views you make of me.
Learn to move on and accept people will differ in their views to you on a topic. Rags told me she disagreed and I accepted she disagreed, where both of us think we are right on the matter which is going to be the case where two people disagree on something, which is very normal

what i dislike is the denigration of people who disagree with you you do it all the time with your passive aggressive retorts to others views or opinions when you dont do that your a good guy but its tedious and unnecessary

put the brake on that kind of reply to people and you will find you will get in to less arguments

Didge.
Just picking up on your last point, if you tear your uniform trousers as an example, they are cheap to replace. Some people get their children's trousers from tesco or Asda where they're like £5 a pair or something.
If a child were in his own clothes....well how much do you think it is to replace a Nike tracksuit bottoms, or Levis, or top man jeans?

Anywhere from £40 - £100 plus

So that point is null and void

eddie wrote:Just picking up on your last point, if you tear your uniform trousers as an example, they are cheap to replace. Some people get their children's trousers from tesco or Asda where they're like £5 a pair or something.
If a child were in his own clothes....well how much do you think it is to replace a Nike tracksuit bottoms, or Levis, or top man jeans?

Anywhere from £40 - £100 plus

So that point is null and void

Is it null and void when you can go to many shops and pick up cheap tracksuits also Eddie?


The sports shop in the high street has loads of deals all the time, where that is one item you will have bough anyway for the child, the uniform is more clothes on top of this and thus an added expense

Again to me the most important aspect for a child to learn and study, is to be as comfortable as possible



Now do you think wearing a uniform to many children makes them feel comfortable?

All I can do is repeat that I'm glad I had to wear a uniform. There was enough to think about without having to plan a different outfit every day - that's assuming that I would have had enough clothes for that of course.

Didge wrote:

eddie wrote:Just picking up on your last point, if you tear your uniform trousers as an example, they are cheap to replace. Some people get their children's trousers from tesco or Asda where they're like £5 a pair or something.
If a child were in his own clothes....well how much do you think it is to replace a Nike tracksuit bottoms, or Levis, or top man jeans?

Anywhere from £40 - £100 plus

So that point is null and void

Is it null and void when you can go to many shops and pick up cheap tracksuits also Eddie?


The sports shop in the high street has loads of deals all the time, where that is one item you will have bough anyway for the child, the uniform is more clothes on top of this and thus an added expense

Again to me the most important aspect for a child to learn and study, is to be as comfortable as possible



Now do you think wearing a uniform to many children makes them feel comfortable?

I think it does, yes.

I can't believe you're saying this stuff - it's really coming over as you arguing for the sake of it.

Didge wrote:

eddie wrote:No it's not my only point to having a uniform - it's just that rags keeps saying the things I also think but it's not worth me repeating her posts.

Look, I completely get where you're coming from about trying to create individuality in students, I do get that and to a point. I agree.

But a uniform not only looks smarter, thereby making students feel smarter and act accordingly, it also teaches children that they have to confirm in life at times, and it's only a few years of their lives!

Some jobs and careers have uniform. Is that wrong too?

And of course, there's the ease of getting dressed in the morning. Let me tell you, from a parental pint of view, they're a Godsend, as you must remember lol

Smarter is down to personal preference Eddie, as it is to you what looks smart maybe removed as to what others think and again, in what benefit does looking smart achieve?
You are making subjective views and claims based to your own personal preference eddie, where to my preference I think children are going to adapt far better and easier with each other in their own clothes

Not only that Uniforms are an added expense to where children grow out of them very fast

Do you have kids didge?

Raggamuffin wrote:

Didge wrote:


Is it null and void when you can go to many shops and pick up cheap tracksuits also Eddie?


The sports shop in the high street has loads of deals all the time, where that is one item you will have bough anyway for the child, the uniform is more clothes on top of this and thus an added expense

Again to me the most important aspect for a child to learn and study, is to be as comfortable as possible



Now do you think wearing a uniform to many children makes them feel comfortable?

I think it does, yes.

I can't believe you're saying this stuff - it's really coming over as you arguing for the sake of it.

That is your personal preference Rags, but many children cannot stand wearing uniforms

That means many will find them uncomfortable

I will ignore the last irrelevant goading comment

So when someone's 14 or so, where do they get all this money for different outfits?

eddie wrote:Didge.
Just picking up on your last point, if you tear your uniform trousers as an example, they are cheap to replace. Some people get their children's trousers from tesco or Asda where they're like £5 a pair or something.
If a child were in his own clothes....well how much do you think it is to replace a Nike tracksuit bottoms, or Levis, or top man jeans?

Anywhere from £40 - £100 plus

So that point is null and void

exactly  not only that low income parents get a subsidy

Didge wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

I think it does, yes.

I can't believe you're saying this stuff - it's really coming over as you arguing for the sake of it.

That is your personal preference Rags, but many children cannot stand wearing uniforms

That means many will find them uncomfortable

I will ignore the last irrelevant goading comment

Of course they all complain about their particular uniform FFS! That's the point - they all wear it and most of them complain about it. That's better than comparing what everyone's wearing every day.

Raggamuffin wrote:So when someone's 14 or so, where do they get all this money for different outfits?

Their parents buy their clothes which is what they would wear to school

You all seem to think they will all be wearing designer clothes

Raggamuffin wrote:

Didge wrote:


That is your personal preference Rags, but many children cannot stand wearing uniforms

That means many will find them uncomfortable

I will ignore the last irrelevant goading comment

Of course they all complain about their particular uniform FFS! That's the point - they all wear it and most of them complain about it. That's better than comparing what everyone's wearing every day.

So they do not feel comfortable and many children who do not have to wear them are going to be far more comfortable when at school the point you are missing

Didge wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:So when someone's 14 or so, where do they get all this money for different outfits?

Their parents buy their clothes which is what they would wear to school

You all seem to think they will all be wearing designer clothes

Are you kidding? They buy them a different outfit for each day? Do you really think that parents are qualified to choose the latest stuff for their teenage girls? Get real!

Raggamuffin wrote:

Didge wrote:


Their parents buy their clothes which is what they would wear to school

You all seem to think they will all be wearing designer clothes

Are you kidding? They buy them a different outfit for each day? Do you really think that parents are qualified to choose the latest stuff for their teenage girls? Get real!

Kids wear what their parents buy them, just as my kids did growing up

So have you any children Rags?

They will want many things, some they will get and other things they do not

Didge wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Are you kidding? They buy them a different outfit for each day? Do you really think that parents are qualified to choose the latest stuff for their teenage girls? Get real!

Kids wear what their parents buy them, just as my kids did growing up

So have you any children Rags?

They will want many things, some they will get and other things they do not

We're not talking about little kids, we're talking about girls who will at least think they have some fashion sense, or wish they did.

With a uniform, they don't have to worry about that, they can concentrate on more important things. There's time enough for them at weekends to think about what they're wearing.

Didge wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Are you kidding? They buy them a different outfit for each day? Do you really think that parents are qualified to choose the latest stuff for their teenage girls? Get real!

Kids wear what their parents buy them, just as my kids did growing up

So have you any children Rags?

They will want many things, some they will get and other things they do not

I asked first do you ?

nm you answered in another reply

I will add its a very moot point going over what kids want clothes wise when they have clothes already based on debate on uniforms

Again what matters most is a child felling comfortable and relaxed whilst studying, which int the main a uniform does not offer

Didge wrote:I will add its a very moot point going over what kids want clothes wise when they have clothes already based on debate on uniforms

Again what matters most is a child felling comfortable and relaxed whilst studying, which int the main a uniform does not offer

Yes it does.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Didge wrote:


Kids wear what their parents buy them, just as my kids did growing up

So have you any children Rags?

They will want many things, some they will get and other things they do not

We're not talking about little kids, we're talking about girls who will at least think they have some fashion sense, or wish they did.

With a uniform, they don't have to worry about that, they can concentrate on more important things. There's time enough for them at weekends to think about what they're wearing.

So what if they have a fashion sense, so do boys also, they have clothes that they are given which is a moot point to whether uniforms, are beneficial or not 


Korben read the post you replied to

Raggamuffin wrote:

Didge wrote:I will add its a very moot point going over what kids want clothes wise when they have clothes already based on debate on uniforms

Again what matters most is a child felling comfortable and relaxed whilst studying, which int the main a uniform does not offer

Yes it does.

It does not matter, uniforms, are so dated and achieve nothing except for a school to take credit off the back of where a child might do something  good outside school

Didge wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

We're not talking about little kids, we're talking about girls who will at least think they have some fashion sense, or wish they did.

With a uniform, they don't have to worry about that, they can concentrate on more important things. There's time enough for them at weekends to think about what they're wearing.

So what if they have a fashion sense, so do boys also, they have clothes that they are given which is a moot point to whether uniforms, are beneficial or not 


Korben read the post you replied to

Thanks saw it i was writing at the time you posted

No problem Korben

Didge wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Yes it does.

It does not matter, uniforms, are so dated and achieve nothing except for a school to take credit off the back of where a child might do something  good outside school

They benefit the pupils IMO. Once again, I'm glad I had to wear a school uniform.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Didge wrote:


It does not matter, uniforms, are so dated and achieve nothing except for a school to take credit off the back of where a child might do something  good outside school

They benefit the pupils IMO. Once again, I'm glad I had to wear a school uniform.

Good for you rags that you are glad
I think they deny children to have normality as they will most definitely dress different outside schools and many schools are clearly fine not having uniforms

Didge wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

They benefit the pupils IMO. Once again, I'm glad I had to wear a school uniform.

Good for you rags that you are glad
I think they deny children to have normality as they will most definitely dress different outside schools and many schools are clearly fine not having uniforms

Of course they dress differently outside school. Why do you have such a problem with uniforms?

Do you think that adults who wear a uniform to work are abnormal then?

Raggamuffin wrote:

Didge wrote:


Good for you rags that you are glad
I think they deny children to have normality as they will most definitely dress different outside schools and many schools are clearly fine not having uniforms

Of course they dress differently outside school. Why do you have such a problem with uniforms?

Do you think that adults who wear a uniform to work are abnormal then?

For the countless reasons I have given throughout

Show me where I said people are abnormal if they wear uniforms?

Didge wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Of course they dress differently outside school. Why do you have such a problem with uniforms?

Do you think that adults who wear a uniform to work are abnormal then?

For the countless reasons I have given throughout

Show me where I said people are abnormal if they wear uniforms?

You said that children who wear uniforms are denied normality, which is absurd because it is normal to them to wear the uniform.

I don't think you actually believe what you're saying.

They will want many things, some they will get and other things they do not



And thats the whole point some parents can afford to buy designer clothes others can not, so straight away you are condemning the kid to a lower social status within his peer group because he cant come to school in £100 trainers or the late`st fashion accessory

i was proud to where my school uniform even with my house badge rhodes and even that is now a bone of contention wrongly IMO

i was proud to wear the queens uniform as well because  i was part of a group  and my actions reflected that, same as a school uniform  it was in both cases and shared identity a sense of belonging to something bigger than myself

Raggamuffin wrote:

Didge wrote:


For the countless reasons I have given throughout

Show me where I said people are abnormal if they wear uniforms?

You said that children who wear uniforms are denied normality, which is absurd because it is normal to them to wear the uniform.

I don't think you actually believe what you're saying.

Normality of the many different cultures, which I have stated many times, so that is you not being able to read context

I said in regards to people of different religious, social cultural remember?

Normalizing people from different backgrounds

So are you claiming all schools that do not have uniforms do not believe their policies?

Bottom line

If some schools do not have uniforms, then uniforms, cease to be necessary

Didge wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

You said that children who wear uniforms are denied normality, which is absurd because it is normal to them to wear the uniform.

I don't think you actually believe what you're saying.

Normality of the many different cultures, which I have stated many times, so that is you not being able to read context

I said in regards to people of different religious, social cultural remember?

Normalizing people from different backgrounds

So are you claiming all schools that do not have uniforms do not believe their policies?

WTF? It is normal to wear a school uniform, regardless of which culture they're from.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Didge wrote:


Normality of the many different cultures, which I have stated many times, so that is you not being able to read context

I said in regards to people of different religious, social cultural remember?

Normalizing people from different backgrounds

So are you claiming all schools that do not have uniforms do not believe their policies?

WTF? It is normal to wear a school uniform, regardless of which culture they're from.

Point so far above your head, it is about normalizing the clothes other cultures wear, not the uniforms

You would have understood this when I stated this on the previous page already

Doh

We used to have uniforms for the Brownies, Guides, Cubs, and Scouts as well, and I presume they still do. One chose to join those organisations and wear the uniform, so clearly children/teenagers do not object to wearing uniforms.

Didge wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

WTF? It is normal to wear a school uniform, regardless of which culture they're from.

Point so far above your head, it is about normalizing the clothes other cultures wear, not the uniforms

You would have understood this when I stated this on the previous page already

Doh

Tbh, I find your views so obviously fake that I can't be bothered any more.

Raggamuffin wrote:We used to have uniforms for the Brownies, Guides, Cubs, and Scouts as well, and I presume they still do. One chose to join those organisations and wear the uniform, so clearly children/teenagers do not object to wearing uniforms.

That is not schools, they are something you can volunteer to do, they are not compulsory

Again bottom line

If many schools do not have uniforms, then the uniform is not necessary for a kid to wear in order to study at school

Raggamuffin wrote:

Didge wrote:


Point so far above your head, it is about normalizing the clothes other cultures wear, not the uniforms

You would have understood this when I stated this on the previous page already

Doh

Tbh, I find your views so obviously fake that I can't be bothered any more.

So any school that does not have a uniform policy are being fake now then Rags

Explain that?

Didge wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

You said that children who wear uniforms are denied normality, which is absurd because it is normal to them to wear the uniform.

I don't think you actually believe what you're saying.

Normality of the many different cultures, which I have stated many times, so that is you not being able to read context

I said in regards to people of different religious, social cultural remember?

Normalizing people from different backgrounds

So are you claiming all schools that do not have uniforms do not believe their policies?

we had a guy that wore a tubin he was a seek(not sure that spelt correctly)

uniforms can adapt for the religious and social diversity and do just like police and armed services do and surely its a way to facilitate integration of other cultures within a group

korban dallas wrote:

Didge wrote:


Normality of the many different cultures, which I have stated many times, so that is you not being able to read context

I said in regards to people of different religious, social cultural remember?

Normalizing people from different backgrounds

So are you claiming all schools that do not have uniforms do not believe their policies?

we had a guy that wore a tubin he was a seek(not sure that spelt correctly)

uniforms can adapt for the religious and social diversity and do just like police and armed services do and surely its a way to facilitate integration of other cultures within a group  

But that is not fully what they might wear outside school Korben

Uniforms do adapt to cultures, but again the point is on being around people in their forms of dress

A uniform does deny that

This thread is too annoying, and so is the person who refuses to acknowledge that many people benefit from wearing a uniform, including pupils at school.

Good luck to anyone still persevering ...

That is your personal opinion Rags, where many schools who do not have uniform clearly do not agree with you, would they?

Have no idea why you are taking this so to heart where again, if schools no longer have them, the concept of a uniform becomes pretty much redundant for schools, as they are no longer necessary.

Its more about an elitist view why schools have them, for their image, which to me is not about the children but the school itself.
Its a form of snobbery.

Didge wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

WTF? It is normal to wear a school uniform, regardless of which culture they're from.

Point so far above your head, it is about normalizing the clothes other cultures wear, not the uniforms

You would have understood this when I stated this on the previous page already

Doh

see that what i mean denigrating ,all you had to say was "i disagree it is about normalizing the clothes other cultures wear, not the uniforms"

way less confrontational and denigrating

can`t you see that ?

korban dallas wrote:

Didge wrote:


Point so far above your head, it is about normalizing the clothes other cultures wear, not the uniforms

You would have understood this when I stated this on the previous page already

Doh

see that what i mean denigrating ,all you had to say was "i disagree it is about normalizing the clothes other cultures wear, not the uniforms"

way less confrontational and denigrating

can`t you see that ?

lol and you missed all the points rag said?

Listen, I ignored your last long winded excuses post because the only person looking for a confrontation is you Korben

Learn to move on, if you do not like the way I write or debate, then the only person who has an issue is yourself

You are allowing yourself to get bothered over nothing

Raggamuffin wrote:

Didge wrote:


Point so far above your head, it is about normalizing the clothes other cultures wear, not the uniforms

You would have understood this when I stated this on the previous page already

Doh

Tbh, I find your views so obviously fake that I can't be bothered any more.

I suppose this is not confrontational Korben?

Didge wrote:

korban dallas wrote:
we had a guy that wore a tubin he was a seek(not sure that spelt correctly)

uniforms can adapt for the religious and social diversity and do just like police and armed services do and surely its a way to facilitate integration of other cultures within a group  

But that is not fully what they might wear outside school Korben

Uniforms do adapt to cultures, but again the point is on being around people in their forms of dress

A uniform does deny that

what they might wear outside school is irrelevant that is there choice what
i wore when not on duty was irrelevant

but when on duty i had to follow the rules because that reflected on the service same with school uniform
and i think i am with raggs on this one (who knew xx ) you have your opinion and that`s fine
so i will leave it at that

korban dallas wrote:

Didge wrote:


But that is not fully what they might wear outside school Korben

Uniforms do adapt to cultures, but again the point is on being around people in their forms of dress

A uniform does deny that

what they might wear outside school is irrelevant that is there choice what
i wore when not on duty was irrelevant  

but when on duty i had to follow the rules because that reflected on the service same with school uniform
and i think i am with raggs on this one (who knew xx ) you have your opinion and that`s fine
so i will leave it at that

Eh?

You are talking about the Navy now, do they have Navy units that do not have uniform?

What they wear outside school which is different to western clothes is very relevant to cohesion to normalize what they wear with children

Didge wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Tbh, I find your views so obviously fake that I can't be bothered any more.

I suppose this is not confrontational Korben?

then take it up with her as i took it up with you but

however i would say people who live in glass houses best not throw bricks because some times they get thrown back