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Post by Lurker Tue Dec 24, 2013 2:21 pm

Nearly 60 years after his death, Alan Turing, the British mathematician regarded as one of the central figures in the development of the computer, received a formal pardon from Queen Elizabeth II on Monday for his conviction in 1952 on charges of homosexuality, at the time a criminal offense in Britain.
The pardon was announced by the British justice secretary, Chris Grayling, who had made the request to the queen. Mr. Grayling said in a statement that Mr. Turing, whose most remarkable achievement was helping to develop the machines and algorithms that unscrambled the supposedly impenetrable Enigma code used by the Germans in World War II, “deserves to be remembered and recognized for his fantastic contribution to the war effort and his legacy to science.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/24/world/europe/alan-turing-enigma-code-breaker-and-computer-pioneer-wins-royal-pardon.html?_r=2&
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Post by veya_victaous Tue Dec 24, 2013 11:15 pm

Disgusting that such a hero was even punished
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Post by Guest Tue Dec 24, 2013 11:41 pm

veya_victaous wrote:Disgusting that such a hero was even punished

....We have evolved from those times.....


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Post by captain Wed Dec 25, 2013 12:56 am

veya_victaous wrote:Disgusting that such a hero was even punished

Yes it is. What a waste of a good man's life. Double whammy even in death, having a woman who signs death warrants and has shares in Monsanto, PARDON him? She should polish his grave with a fine tooth brush, on her hands and knees. I really can't think of much more of an insult to an already serous injury from injustice.
Considering what he and Tommy Flowers did for the course of the war and our modern lives, you would have thought a blind eye would have been turned for Turing being who he was. Ironic that Grayling does the decent thing (for once) for something which he shouldn't have to.
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Post by Guest Wed Dec 25, 2013 11:00 pm

Catman wrote:
veya_victaous wrote:Disgusting that such a hero was even punished

....We have evolved from those times.....


Yes we have but that was the law then and I feel very uneasy about overturning convictions from years gone by.

He did the crime. End of story.

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Post by Guest Wed Dec 25, 2013 11:10 pm

Sigh!

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Post by Guest Wed Dec 25, 2013 11:22 pm

BigAndy9 wrote:
Catman wrote:

....We have evolved from those times.....


Yes we have but that was the law then and I feel very uneasy about overturning convictions from years gone by.

He did the crime.  End of story.

We have become more civilized as a society and we have learned from our mistakes.

....In this case we certainly have.


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Post by Guest Wed Dec 25, 2013 11:28 pm

Catman wrote:
BigAndy9 wrote:

Yes we have but that was the law then and I feel very uneasy about overturning convictions from years gone by.

He did the crime.  End of story.

We have become more civilized as a society and we have learned from our mistakes.

....In this case we certainly have.

And the law changed some time ago.

And it will continue to change as our attitudes do.

So how many pardons should have occurred Mr Catman?

Come on - estimate? 1 million, 10 million? 100 million?

I'm not just talking about homosexual crimes either - all of them. Well why not?

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Post by Guest Wed Dec 25, 2013 11:37 pm

They pardoned the 306 soldiers shot for cowardice in WWI who were probably suffering from post traumatic shock.

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Post by Guest Wed Dec 25, 2013 11:38 pm

BigAndy9 wrote:
Catman wrote:

We have become more civilized as a society and we have learned from our mistakes.

....In this case we certainly have.

And the law changed some time ago.

And it will continue to change as our attitudes do.

So how many pardons should have occurred Mr Catman?

Come on - estimate?  1 million, 10 million?  100 million?

I'm not just talking about homosexual crimes either - all of them.  Well why not?

If we make important changes to the statute book, and we recognise that the previous laws were wrong...Then all those that were convicted of those crimes should be pardoned.

.....Of course that is impossible...Unless of course there was some blanketing pardoning degree.

In the meantime, and in the case of this great man.......

http://cryptome.org/2013/12/turing-pardon.pdf


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Post by Guest Fri Dec 27, 2013 10:22 pm

Peter Tatchell has written to Prime Minister David Cameron calling for a new inquiry into the death of Alan Turing in order to “dispel any doubts about the true cause of his death”, the human rights campaigner also believes the recent royal pardon granted to Turing should be extended to all men convicted under the same gross indecency law.
Dear David Cameron,
Extend the Alan Turing pardon to 50,000+ other victims.
Initiate new inquiry into Turing’s death. Open security service files on Turing.
I am writing to commend all those involved in securing a royal pardon for Alan Turing for his 1952 conviction for homosexual relations. This goes some considerable way towards putting right a grave injustice.
However, one big issue thrown up by Turing’s pardon is: Why him alone? Singling out Turing for a royal pardon just because he was a great scientist and very famous is wrong in principle. The law should be applied equally, without fear or favour, regardless of whether a person is a well-known high achiever – or not. Selective redress is a bad way to remedy a historic injustice.
At least 50,000 other men were convicted under the same ‘gross indecency’ law from the time it was first legislated in 1885 until its repeal in 2003. They have never been offered a pardon but deserve one, equally as much as Turing.
An estimated 15,000 men of these men are still alive. It is not too late for them to receive a measure of justice in the form of a royal pardon.
These men were criminalised and penalised for victimless behaviour that was not a crime between heterosexual men and women.
Turing and the other 50,000+ men were convicted under the same ‘gross indecency’ law that sent Oscar Wilde to prison in 1895. It remained on the statute book until 2003, classified in the penal code under the heading ‘unnatural offences.’ Likewise, the law against ‘buggery’, which was legislated in 1533 during the reign of King Henry VIII, was only repealed in 2003.
The criminalisation of homosexuality finally ended in 2003 in England and Wales. It is only since then that we have had a penal code that does not discriminate on the grounds of sexual orientation.
I am therefore asking you to extend a pardon to all men convicted of consenting adult same-sex relations since 1885; including convictions for gross indecency and also for buggery, procuring and soliciting.
While the government has already acted (very commendably) to allow men convicted of these offences to apply to have them disregarded, this does not erase their conviction. It still stands but is merely not counted against them. This is not as good as a pardon.
The precedent for a mass pardon is the government’s granting of a pardon in 2006 to more than 300 soldiers who were executed for alleged cowardice and desertion during World War One. If they can have a pardon, why not gay and bisexual men?
The second point I want to raise is the case for a new inquiry into the circumstances of the death of Alan Turing.
He is generally believed to have committed suicide following his conviction and chemical castration. However, the original inquest into his death was perfunctory and inadequate. Although it is said that he died from eating an apple laced with cyanide, the allegedly fatal apple was never tested for cyanide. Moreover, he was in an upbeat mood at the time of his death and making plans for the future – not the typical profile of a person who takes their own life.
A new inquiry is long overdue, even if only to dispel any doubts about the true cause of his death – including speculation that he was murdered by the security services (or others).
I think murder by state agents is unlikely. There is no known evidence pointing to any such act. However, it is a major failing that this possibility has never been considered or investigated. Even if the security services did not kill him, did they pressure him and did this pressure contribute to his suicide?
We know Turing was under observation and a person of concern to the security services.
He was regarded as a high security risk because of his homosexuality and his expert knowledge of code-breaking, advanced mathematics and computer science. At the time of his death, Britain was gripped by a McCarthyite-style anti-homosexual witch-hunt. Gay people were being hounded out of the armed forces and the civil and foreign services.
In this frenzied homophobic atmosphere, all gay men were regarded as security risks – open to blackmail at a time when homosexuality was illegal and punishable by life imprisonment. Doubts were routinely cast on their loyalty and patriotism, especially following the unmasking of the bisexual and gay spies, respectively Donald Maclean and Guy Burgess.
Turing fell under suspicion. His security clearance was withdrawn and he was barred from further work at the spy agency GCHQ.
I am therefore requesting the following information:
Was Turing subjected to MI5 or MI6 surveillance, pressure or threats?
Were the security services in contact with Turing in the two years prior to his death? What was the frequency and nature of this contact?
Can the security service files on Turing be examined and made open to the public?
It is very important that Turing’s family and the public are informed. It is time we knew the full truth, whatever that may be.
The security services were certainly fearful that Turing was vulnerable to blackmail and probably anxious that he might pass information to the Soviets. The British nuclear scientist Klaus Fuchs was convicted in 1950 of assisting the Soviet Union’s atomic programme. There was an irrational, paranoid fear that other leading scientists, perhaps including Turing, might also aid the Soviets; in Turing’s case may be as revenge for the way he’d been mistreated.
There is, of course, not a shred of evidence that Turing ever considered betraying Britain. But the fevered minds of security spooks often thought otherwise about many loyal, patriotic citizens. Enough to kill him? Probably not. But if they exercised pressure on him it may have pushed him over the edge into suicide.
This is why a thorough, comprehensive inquiry is needed. We need to establish for certain what role, if any, the security services (or others) played in the run-up to his passing.
I am therefore requesting that an independent inquiry is opened into Alan Turing’s death, to re-examine the causes and any possible role played by the security services, including any contact with him and any pressures or threats they may have made to him.
Thank you for your consideration of this request.
Yours sincerely,
Peter Tatchell
Peter Tatchell is director of the London-based human rights organisation, the Peter Tatchell Foundation, and coordinator of the Equal Love campaign.
As with all comment articles the views expressed do not necessarily reflect those of PinkNews.co.uk
http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2013/12/27/peter-tatchell-urges-prime-minister-to-launch-new-probe-into-alan-turings-death-and-to-extend-pardon/


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Post by Guest Fri Dec 27, 2013 10:27 pm

Another great 'Militant homosexual' as the RW and a few on the left like to label the activists!

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Post by Guest Fri Dec 27, 2013 10:33 pm

It's such a shame that some who purport to be LW jump into bed with the RW over gay activism.

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Post by Guest Fri Dec 27, 2013 11:45 pm

Catman wrote:It's such a shame that some who purport to be LW jump into bed with the RW over gay activism.

 Sad 

Well if there were not so many gay nutjobs forcing people to reveal their sexuality (and only a deviant wants to know what sex one prefers) then homosexuals wouldn't get such bad press.

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Post by Original Quill Sat Dec 28, 2013 3:41 am

I don't know Shady. How do you account for nutfucks like Phil Robertson? I mean...you can't say that came from the gay community.

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Post by Guest Sat Dec 28, 2013 3:59 am

He thinks that homosexuals get a bad press because he only reads the Daily Mail  Laughing 

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Post by Guest Sat Dec 28, 2013 3:46 pm

Original Quill wrote:I don't know Shady.  How do you account for nutfucks like Phil Robertson?  I mean...you can't say that came from the gay community.

Good afternoon Quill.

Who is Phil Robertson? A neighbour of yours? Give me a bit while I Google the name.

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Post by Guest Sat Dec 28, 2013 3:49 pm

Quill the only Phil Robertson I can find is some geezer who looks like Hick from the sticks & has something to do with a duck dynasty??

If he's your neighbour may I suggest that you move to Cornwall in England.

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Post by Guest Sat Dec 28, 2013 3:50 pm

Catman wrote:He thinks that homosexuals get a bad press because he only reads the Daily Mail  Laughing 

Your not gay.

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Post by veya_victaous Mon Dec 30, 2013 12:49 am

Shady wrote:
Catman wrote:He thinks that homosexuals get a bad press because he only reads the Daily Mail  Laughing 

Your not gay.

Just because when YOU tried to pick Catman up he wasn't interested doesn't mean he isn't gay  tongue Razz Razz Razz Razz Razz Razz 
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Post by Original Quill Mon Dec 30, 2013 1:00 am

Shady wrote:
Original Quill wrote:I don't know Shady.  How do you account for nutfucks like Phil Robertson?  I mean...you can't say that came from the gay community.

Good afternoon Quill.

Who is Phil Robertson? A neighbour of yours? Give me a bit while I Google the name.

The Queen Pardons Alan Turing, Enigma Code-Breaker and Computer Pioneer Phil-returns

Faux News wrote:The "Duck Dynasty" family says they are excited to return to work after A&E Network announced Friday it would resume filming their hit show with Phil Robertson next spring in a reversal of its decision last week to suspend him for comments he made about homosexuality.

In an exclusive statement to FoxNews.com, the family said it was "excited to keep making a quality TV show for our dedicated fans, who have showed us wonderful support. We will continue to represent our faith and values in the most positive way through 'Duck Dynasty' and our many projects that we are currently working on.

"The outpouring of support and prayer has encouraged and emboldened us greatly."

Robertson had been indefinitely suspended by the network on Dec. 18 for remarks he made in an interview with GQ Magazine.

The removal of the 67-year-old family patriarch triggered support from gay rights organizations but objections from many fans of the show, including political figures such as former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin and Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal.

The fifth season of the family series originally had been scheduled to start Jan. 15 but until Friday’s announcement, its future had been uncertain, since the family had said it could not imagine going forward without Robertson.

In a statement released late Friday afternoon, A&E said, “While Phil's comments made in the (GQ) interview reflect his personal views based on his own beliefs, and his own personal journey, he and his family have publicly stated they regret the ‘coarse language’ he used and the misinterpretation of his core beliefs based only on the article. He also made it clear he would ‘never incite or encourage hate.’"

The network added that “Duck Dynasty is not a show about one man's views. It resonates with a large audience because it is a show about family, a family that America has come to love. As you might have seen in many episodes, they come together to reflect and pray for unity, tolerance and forgiveness. These are three values that we at A&E Networks also feel strongly about.

“So after discussions with the Robertson family, as well as consulting with numerous advocacy groups, A&E has decided to resume filming Duck Dynasty later this spring with the entire Robertson family.”

“Duck Dynasty” is the top-rated reality program on cable, according to the Hollywood Reporter, with an average 13.4 million viewers and a marketing franchise in such outlets as Walmart, Sears and Cracker Barrel restaurants – which briefly removed the “Dynasty” items after Robertson’s suspension.

In a statement Friday night to Fox News, the Gay & Lesbian Alliance Against Discrimination said "dialog" between Robertson and the black and gay communities was a critical next step.

"Phil Robertson should look African-American and gay people in the eyes and hear about the hurtful impact of praising Jim Crow laws and comparing gay people to terrorists," the statement said. "If dialog with Phil is not part of next steps, then A&E has chosen profits over African-American and gay people -- especially its employees and viewers.

Jindal released a statement Friday night saying, "I am glad to hear that the folks at A&E came to their senses and recognized that tolerance of religious views is more important than political correctness. Today is a good day for the freedoms of speech and religious liberty."

Family Research Council president Tony Perkins said in a statement following A&E's announcement, “The attacks on Phil Robertson revealed to the American people that the push to redefine marriage is less about the marriage altar than it is fundamentally altering America's moral, political and cultural landscape.

"A&E Network’s reversal in the face of backlash is quite telling to the American people who are growing tired of GLAAD and cultural elites who want to silence people and remove God and His word from every aspect of public life."

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