Food bank Brits are not scroungers

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Sunday Mirror columnist Carole Malone finds that people regard the shame of using a food bank as worse than going hungry

I spoke to people this week who’ve been forced to use food banks and asked them what was worse – the hunger or the shame.

They all said the shame. Because while hunger eats at your belly, shame eats at your soul and your self worth until there’s nothing left of the person you once were.

And that’s exactly what’s happening to the 500,000 Brits now reliant on food banks. For these people life is no longer about happiness or job satisfaction. It’s simply about surviving.

Which is why we have to get rid of the perception that the people using food banks are scroungers. They aren’t. Most are actually in work but don’t have enough money to pay their bills AND feed their families.

The rest are desperate men and women whose lives and circumstances changed in an instant leaving them destitute.

There will be 60,000 people – 20,000 of them children – who won’t have enough food this Christmas. And while I know many of you won’t have a spare penny, please give what you can to the Trussell Trust which runs 400 of these centres.

Because who knows when any of us might need them?

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/carole-malone-poverty-food-bank-2951270

On the button and I can't think of much that is more distressing and humiliating to the people that have to use them.

You are making the accusation, you prove it Didge.

Everyone who has looked into it has said it is because people are either not paid enough and cannot cover basics, or they suddenly get made redundant, or they are on zero hours contracts and go for periods without any income and can't budget properly because they never know from week to week what money is coming, or they suddenly become sick etc etc etc.

You are the one blaming them and saying it's their own fault, you prove it.

PhilDidge wrote:Never claimed it was due to benefits Joy with debt, stop telling porkies it is not becoming of a gentleman

I have lived being poor, very poor.

11 million in debt, mainly due to how they manage their money, prove otherwise!

...it's also not very gentleman like to advertise hatred and blame toward them, everyone makes mistakes Phil.
Your posts always imply it's all the fault of Labour , the unemployed. On benefits or both.

Can you prove to me everyone of those 11 million people In debt had somewhere else to turn say if a crisis arose?...

Your no different with your views on the unemployed than that lot across the road Didge, narrow minded and hate filled, shame as I used to think you were your own man and not mentally ruled by the right.

Everyone, well that is another lie again.

You look for excuses, I look to find answers, that should give you a clue to my reasons, and then you might stop ignoring the facts

I rest my case!

You haven't looked for one answer, you have just apportioned blame on the people in trouble.   Typical Tory.

The Council found the answers but you can't deal with that.

Joy Division wrote:

PhilDidge wrote:Never claimed it was due to benefits Joy with debt, stop telling porkies it is not becoming of a gentleman

I have lived being poor, very poor.

11 million in debt, mainly due to how they manage their money, prove otherwise!

...it's also not very gentleman like to advertise hatred and blame toward them, everyone makes mistakes Phil.
Your posts always imply it's all the fault of Labour , the unemployed. On benefits or both.

Can you prove to me everyone of those 11 million people In debt had somewhere else to turn say if a crisis arose?...

Your no different with your views on the unemployed than that lot across the road Didge, narrow minded and hate filled, shame as I used to think you were your own man and not mentally ruled by the right.

....It's not that long to the next election and the battle grounds are being drawn!

Sassy wrote:You are making the accusation, you prove it Didge.

Everyone who has looked into it has said it is because people are either not paid enough and cannot cover basics, or they suddenly get made redundant, or they are on zero hours contracts and go for periods without any income and can't budget properly because they never know from week to week what money is coming, or they suddenly become sick etc etc etc.

You are the one blaming them and saying it's their own fault, you prove it.

Too right sassy, I was going to tell him to prove it to me! All didge needs is to sit down and do the maths...

NMW at hours with tax on top does not come close to paying rent , council tax, food , clothing transport etc amd to actually eat healthy like the foot recommends is impossible for most with the prices, good for you but too nightly priced...

Didge your babbling and you know it...why do you keep doing this? Knowing what you are saying is pie in the sky?...

Irn and sassy have been proving you wrong time after time.


Would you let your kid go starving or borrow money didge ?...

Please answer one of only those two questions without adding or diverting if you please.

Joy Division wrote:

Sassy wrote:You are making the accusation, you prove it Didge.

Everyone who has looked into it has said it is because people are either not paid enough and cannot cover basics, or they suddenly get made redundant, or they are on zero hours contracts and go for periods without any income and can't budget properly because they never know from week to week what money is coming, or they suddenly become sick etc etc etc.

You are the one blaming them and saying it's their own fault, you prove it.

Too right sassy, I was going to tell him to prove it to me! All didge needs is to sit down and do the maths...

NMW at hours with tax on top does not come close to paying rent , council tax, food , clothing transport etc amd to actually eat healthy like the foot recommends is impossible for most with the prices, good for you but too nightly priced...

Didge your babbling and you know it...why do you keep doing this? Knowing what you are saying is pie in the sky?...

Irn and sassy have been proving you wrong time after time.


Would you let your kid go starving or borrow money didge ?...

Please answer one of only those two questions without adding or diverting if you please.

Really JD?

Then how come I've done just that, been able to pay for all those things, and still have money left over.

PhilDidge wrote:Everyone, well that is another lie again.

You look for excuses, I look to find answers, that should give you a clue to my reasons, and then you might stop ignoring the facts

I rest my case!

YOUR case?, that just shows your mentality of yours Didge because sometimes in life there are no answers, it's judt getting ridiculous with statements from you telling us to stop ignoring YOUR facts as they are as useful as hairy nipple, we know the facts and told you to do the math regards to costs of living etc, YOUR facts mean absolutely nothing to us as they are false and selective...

It is YOU who is ignoring facts Didge, please stop this pretence you know everything ffs.

Sassy wrote:You haven't looked for one answer, you have just apportioned blame on the people in trouble.   Typical Tory.

The Council found the answers but you can't deal with that.

It is not blame, that is what you are doing and it is now very amusing you do not see that, so funny how your arguments are based on trying to wind the opponent.

Here is a fact, 11 million in serious debt and you and many here wish to ignore it, that is poor to say the least.


Ciao

No Didge, we gave you facts, you are trying to ignore them and being rude.   Already said about the people in debt and why, something else you chose to ignore.

And you have blamed the people in trouble for not managing their money properly.

Costa wrote:

Joy Division wrote:

Too right sassy, I was going to tell him to prove it to me! All didge needs is to sit down and do the maths...

NMW at hours with tax on top does not come close to paying rent , council tax, food , clothing transport etc amd to actually eat healthy like the foot recommends is impossible for most with the prices, good for you but too nightly priced...

Didge your babbling and you know it...why do you keep doing this? Knowing what you are saying is pie in the sky?...

Really JD?

Then how come I've done just that, been able to pay for all those things, and still have money left over.


Irn and sassy have been proving you wrong time after time.


Would you let your kid go starving or borrow money didge ?...

Please answer one of only those two questions without adding or diverting if you please.

..different people have different circumstances Costa and I'm happy that you managed ok years back on benefits...but what you say is like saying everyone has the same size of feet.

PhilDidge wrote:

Sassy wrote:You haven't looked for one answer, you have just apportioned blame on the people in trouble.   Typical Tory.

The Council found the answers but you can't deal with that.

It is not blame, that is what you are doing and it is now very amusing you do not see that, so funny how your arguments are based on trying to wind the opponent.

Here is a fact, 11 million in serious debt and you and many here wish to ignore it, that is poor to say the least.


Ciao

..yes, let's put them all to the guillotine Didge.

Joy Division wrote:



..different people have different circumstances Costa and I'm happy that you managed ok years back on benefits...but what you say is like saying everyone has the same size of feet.

No JD, it was not years back, it was just 3 weeks ago I was on benefits, so I know what I am talking about.

I have also worked NMW with tax credits on top, and again I know what I am talking about, about how people are able to survive sufficiently.

Costa wrote:

Joy Division wrote:

Too right sassy, I was going to tell him to prove it to me! All didge needs is to sit down and do the maths...

NMW at hours with tax on top does not come close to paying rent , council tax, food , clothing transport etc amd to actually eat healthy like the foot recommends is impossible for most with the prices, good for you but too nightly priced...

Didge your babbling and you know it...why do you keep doing this? Knowing what you are saying is pie in the sky?...

Irn and sassy have been proving you wrong time after time.


Would you let your kid go starving or borrow money didge ?...

Please answer one of only those two questions without adding or diverting if you please.

Really JD?

Then how come I've done just that, been able to pay for all those things, and still have money left over.

Perhaps you've had some family support, or some support from friends and a partner during the time that you had no money.

Catman wrote:

Costa wrote:

Really JD?

Then how come I've done just that, been able to pay for all those things, and still have money left over.

Perhaps you've had some family support, or some support from friends and a partner during the time that you had no money.

No Phil, I had no family support, I didn't need it as I was able to manage myself. And had no partner either.

I did it all myself.

...Some people stay with people in Manchester at times of difficulty!

But you had no adverse circumstances Costa.   For example, I know someone in exactly the same situation as you, who was getting the same money.   The difference is, her child is sick and they have to travel backwards and forwards to hospital regularly, the hospital is some way away and it costs her a lot.   On top of that the child has to have a special diet, among other things is allergic to gluten.   Now some doctors will prescribe the special bread etc, some won't, hers won't.     Add to that the child's illness makes him feel the cold.  They live in a rented flat with an old inefficient boiler that the landlord won't change, so were you pay a little for your gas, she pays about £25 a week, plus electric.

I sympathise with her about the boiler, I have the same problem, I actually do a direct debit for £180 a month for gas and electric, and it's only a 2 bed house.

You see, you can have the same money coming in, but having the same circumstances is very rare.

I will also say that I rent from a private landlord where rents are much dearer than for a council tenant.

And whilst on NMW with tax credits, I was still able to pay the full amount of rent myself.

Costa wrote:

Joy Division wrote:



..different people have different circumstances Costa and I'm happy that you managed ok years back on benefits...but what you say is like saying everyone has the same size of feet.

No JD, it was not years back, it was just 3 weeks ago I was on benefits, so I know what I am talking about.

I have also worked NMW with tax credits on top, and again I know what I am talking about, about how people are able to survive sufficiently.

...ah sorry Costa I thought you said years back the other day!..

Could you put a price on which every household in Britain on benefits should receive Costa?

She rents from a private landlord as well Costa, with him doing nothing about the boiler.   Think yourself lucky that you had no adverse circumstances.   A huge percentage of the population have them.

She can't work, her son is too sick.  And she is by herself as well.

Also, depends what you call expensive with regards to the rent, much higher is some parts of the country.

Sassy wrote:But you had no adverse circumstances Costa.   For example, I know someone in exactly the same situation as you, who was getting the same money.   The difference is, her child is sick and they have to travel backwards and forwards to hospital regularly, the hospital is some way away and it costs her a lot.   On top of that the child has to have a special diet, among other things is allergic to gluten.   Now some doctors will prescribe the special bread etc, some won't, hers won't.     Add to that the child's illness makes him feel the cold.  They live in a rented flat with an old inefficient boiler that the landlord won't change, so were you pay a little for your gas, she pays about £25 a week, plus electric.

I sympathise with her about the boiler, I have the same problem, I actually do a direct debit for £180 a month for gas and electric, and it's only a 2 bed house.

You see, you can have the same money coming in, but having the same circumstances is very rare.

But as I said yesterday, you can get your travel costs for hospital appointments paid for and their is extra benefits for those on special diets.

Also, there is some scheme where you can now get a free new boiler installed. I had heard about it before, but just last week someone knocked on my father's door about this scheme (they were going round all the houses), but my father didnt need it, as the council installed new boilers just last year.

The girl upstairs from Doug and i...She moved in and there is a key metre and a gas metre...You have to pay more on those, they are the most expensive tariffs to be on.

The power company will not change her over, even though she has a very good credit record.....Because she is only on a three month temporary contract.

    

...With her job at Canary Wharf.

Catman wrote:The girl upstairs from Doug and i...She moved in and there is a key metre and a gas metre...You have to pay more on those, they are the most expensive tariffs to be on.

The power company will not change her over, even though she has a very good credit record.....Because she is only on a three month temporary contract.

    

Yes, I have those meters.... were in the house when I moved in 3 years ago.

Keep meaning to get them removed.

Costa wrote:I will also say that I rent from a private landlord where rents are much dearer than  for a council tenant.

And whilst on NMW with tax credits, I was still able to pay the full amount of rent myself.

Sadly Costa due to Maggie Thatcher and the housing stock folk have no option but to rent privately and as you say they are more expensive, but then we have many of the haters whinging about the price of private rent!

The poor just can't win Costa.

Costa wrote:

Sassy wrote:But you had no adverse circumstances Costa.   For example, I know someone in exactly the same situation as you, who was getting the same money.   The difference is, her child is sick and they have to travel backwards and forwards to hospital regularly, the hospital is some way away and it costs her a lot.   On top of that the child has to have a special diet, among other things is allergic to gluten.   Now some doctors will prescribe the special bread etc, some won't, hers won't.     Add to that the child's illness makes him feel the cold.  They live in a rented flat with an old inefficient boiler that the landlord won't change, so were you pay a little for your gas, she pays about £25 a week, plus electric.

I sympathise with her about the boiler, I have the same problem, I actually do a direct debit for £180 a month for gas and electric, and it's only a 2 bed house.

You see, you can have the same money coming in, but having the same circumstances is very rare.

But as I said yesterday, you can get your travel costs for hospital appointments paid for and their is extra benefits for those on special diets.

Also, there is some scheme where you can now get a free new bolier installed. I had heard about it before, but just last week someone knocked on my father's door about this scheme (they were going round all the houses), but my father didnt need it, as the council installed new boilers just last year.

I think you will find the boiler scheme is not for private rented accommodation, and the money for special diets etc has stopped, and travelling to hospital.

Sassy wrote:

Costa wrote:

But as I said yesterday, you can get your travel costs for hospital appointments paid for and their is extra benefits for those on special diets.

Also, there is some scheme where you can now get a free new bolier installed. I had heard about it before, but just last week someone knocked on my father's door about this scheme (they were going round all the houses), but my father didnt need it, as the council installed new boilers just last year.

I think you will find the boiler scheme is not for private rented accommodation, and the money for special diets etc has stopped, and travelling to hospital.

..that is just shocking, but from this government not too surprising.

Joy Division wrote:

Costa wrote:I will also say that I rent from a private landlord where rents are much dearer than  for a council tenant.

And whilst on NMW with tax credits, I was still able to pay the full amount of rent myself.

Sadly Costa due to Maggie Thatcher and the housing stock folk have no option but to rent privately and as you say they are more expensive, but then we  have many of the haters whinging about the price of private rent!

The poor just can't win Costa.

Well, I've been one of them poor JD, and maybe still am in some ways.

Thing is though, I survive quite suffieciently, my son and I don't go without. But maybe that's because I don't have nay debts or credit to pay.

If we need/want something, I save up for it. Like just recently I bought one of them new SMART TV's, though in a sale.

Sassy wrote:

Costa wrote:

But as I said yesterday, you can get your travel costs for hospital appointments paid for and their is extra benefits for those on special diets.

Also, there is some scheme where you can now get a free new bolier installed. I had heard about it before, but just last week someone knocked on my father's door about this scheme (they were going round all the houses), but my father didnt need it, as the council installed new boilers just last year.

I think you will find the boiler scheme is not for private rented accommodation, and the money for special diets etc has stopped, and travelling to hospital.

The travel costs have not stopped.

http://www.nhs.uk/NHSEngland/Healthcosts/Pages/Travelcosts.aspx

I stand corrected, I know she has trouble getting them reimbursed through the hospital.

Sassy wrote:I stand corrected, I know she has trouble getting them reimbursed through the hospital.

You should be able to receive payments in advance of travel to your appointment. Please contact the hospital or Clinical Commissioning Group (CCG) concerned for further information on how to do this.

Sassy wrote:I stand corrected, I know she has trouble getting them reimbursed through the hospital.

You can't get travel to hospital fees...That is ridiculous and doesn't happen.   

...I'm speaking from a London point of view, but it's impossible to get any kind of care.

Catman wrote:

Sassy wrote:I stand corrected, I know she has trouble getting them reimbursed through the hospital.

You can't get travel to hospital fees...That is ridiculous and doesn't happen.   

...I'm speaking from a London point of view, but it's impossible to get any kind of care.

Well whats this then Phil ..... Scotch mist?


The Healthcare Travel Costs Scheme

You may be able to claim a refund under the 'Healthcare Travel Costs Scheme' (HTCS) of the cost of travelling to hospital or other NHS premises for NHS-funded treatment or diagnostic test arranged by a doctor or dentist.

To qualify for help with travel costs under the HTCS, you must meet three conditions:

At the time of your appointment, you or your partner (including civil partners) must be receiving one of the qualifying benefits or allowances, or meet the eligibility criteria of the NHS Low Income Scheme.
Your journey must be made to receive NHS-funded non-primary medical or non-primary dental care services, to which you have been referred to by a GP, dentist or hospital consultant.
For referrals made by a primary practitioner such a GP or dentist, the service must be provided on a different day and in premises other than those occupied by the practitioner who made the referral.

Costa wrote:

Catman wrote:

You can't get travel to hospital fees...That is ridiculous and doesn't happen.   

...I'm speaking from a London point of view, but it's impossible to get any kind of care.

Well whats this then Phil ..... Scotch mist?


The Healthcare Travel Costs Scheme

You may be able to claim a refund under the 'Healthcare Travel Costs Scheme' (HTCS) of the cost of travelling to hospital or other NHS premises for NHS-funded treatment or diagnostic test arranged by a doctor or dentist.

To qualify for help with travel costs under the HTCS, you must meet three conditions:

At the time of your appointment, you or your partner (including civil partners) must be receiving one of the qualifying benefits or allowances, or meet the eligibility criteria of the NHS Low Income Scheme.
Your journey must be made to receive NHS-funded non-primary medical or non-primary dental care services, to which you have been referred to by a GP, dentist or hospital consultant.
For referrals made by a primary practitioner such a GP or dentist, the service must be provided on a different day and in premises other than those occupied by the practitioner who made the referral.

Yes...Whatever...We will run it past Doug's consultant when we see him next.

As Doug said....That makes no kind of sense at all!

...In other words it's a total load of fucking bollax!

You have specific days for consultation, it is always in the same building and at the same clinic!