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Post by eddie Sun Dec 27, 2015 9:56 pm

How weird, because when I read your thread title I just thought "you put the black cock inn, the black cock out, in, out, in, out, you shake it all about.."
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Post by Irn Bru Sun Dec 27, 2015 10:04 pm

All these pubs in Cockburn Street could be closed down - in fact the street may have to be renamed altogether Laughing

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Post by Guest Sun Dec 27, 2015 10:35 pm

Yea, and the Black Boy pub here doesn't stand much of a chance does it lol

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Post by eddie Sun Dec 27, 2015 11:05 pm

I hate it when some groups of people see racism where there is none.
It's nearly always do-goody White people; black people don't give a shit about this stuff.

They replaced "blackboards" with "whiteboards"

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Post by Guest Sun Dec 27, 2015 11:13 pm

That's because you can't use the markers on blackboards and people get pissed off being covered in chalk Twisted Evil Rolling Eyes Razz

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Post by eddie Mon Dec 28, 2015 12:09 am

sassy wrote:That's because you can't use the markers on blackboards and people get pissed off being covered in chalk Twisted Evil Rolling Eyes Razz

Wasn't the word removed and not to be used though?
They called them "chalkboards" instead of blackboards

Don't tell me that this country didn't go PC mad!
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Post by Guest Mon Dec 28, 2015 12:14 am

Errrrrr - you can still buy 'blackboard' paint for childrens rooms so they can use chalk on the wall.

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Post by eddie Mon Dec 28, 2015 12:15 am

sassy wrote:Errrrrr - you can still buy 'blackboard' paint for childrens rooms so they can use chalk on the wall.

Did I imagine that the word wasn't allowed in schools and suchlike, then? scratch
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Post by Guest Mon Dec 28, 2015 12:43 am

I think it was more that blackboards became obsolete and whiteboards came in that you can use coloured markers on.

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Post by nicko Mon Dec 28, 2015 4:10 am

I think someone banned the Nursary ryme Black sheep, Black sheep have you any wool.
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Post by eddie Mon Dec 28, 2015 3:17 pm

sassy wrote:I think it was more that blackboards became obsolete and whiteboards came in that you can use coloured markers on.

No the whiteboard isn't a board, it's an interactive screen.
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Post by Eilzel Tue Dec 29, 2015 12:46 pm

Whiteboards aren't interacrtive, they are smooth white boards that allow you to use dry wipe markers. Way more convenient than blackboards. I think its a myth that anyone banned the use of the word 'blackboard' or if it was it was never enforced. The object just went out of fashion.
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Post by Guest Tue Dec 29, 2015 12:51 pm

Hi Les, I believe they now have an interative one, how technology has moved on!   They were exactly as you describe when I was using them to give talks lol

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Post by Eilzel Tue Dec 29, 2015 2:05 pm

Yeah, when I was in High School they had just got one interactive board, but they aren't just whiteboards are they?

At uni they used whiteboards and where I work we have whitrboards (granted this is Thailand...). The thought of having to use chalk makes me cringe lol
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Post by eddie Tue Dec 29, 2015 3:44 pm

Sigh. What I mean is, in schools, when these interactive boards were brought, in they were called "whiteboards"
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Post by eddie Tue Dec 29, 2015 3:48 pm

I just googled "had the word blackboard been banned?" and goggle doesn't recognise the phrase.
It has asked me do I mean "chalkboard"?

So I have no idea what that's about
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Post by Syl Tue Dec 29, 2015 5:02 pm

If you google 'blackboard definition' google will tell you exactly what a blackboard is.

I thought the name 'blackboard wasn't used in schools nowadays was  for the simple reason that boards are not black anymore.
How can the word BLACK....which is a colour be offensive to anyone?

I can (if someone was being incredibly pc) see it could be viewed as being  negative when used in the context of 'Black sheep'.or 'Black cloud'  because both terms imply something or someone who isn't welcome.......but black on it's own, or to describe an item that's black, like a board or a frock (the LBD) is inoffensive and anyone who thinks different must have a screw loose.
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Post by Original Quill Tue Dec 29, 2015 5:14 pm

Syl wrote:If you google 'blackboard definition' google will tell you exactly what a blackboard is.

I thought the name 'blackboard wasn't used in schools nowadays was  for the simple reason that boards are not black anymore.
How can the word BLACK....which is a colour be offensive to anyone?

I can (if someone was being incredibly pc) see it could be viewed as being  negative when used in the context of 'Black sheep'.or 'Black cloud'  because both terms imply something or someone who isn't welcome.......but black on it's own, or to describe an item that's black, like a board or a frock (the LBD) is inoffensive and anyone who thinks different must have a screw loose.

It's a good point. The word itself is entirely inoffensive. So is nigger. Racism comes from history, not words. If we are used to a word offending, then it is offensive. Nigger has a history, black does not. The whole idea of PC comes from frivolous applications of standards built upon form, without history. 'Blackboard' is an example.

Racism takes place over time. It takes time to build a prejudice. And it takes time to institutionalize it. So, it takes time to undo it.

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Post by Syl Tue Dec 29, 2015 5:28 pm

Language is ever changing. The N word, which in my lifetime has always been used as an insulting term for a black person was taken from the word Negro which was acceptable till fairly recently.
As was the term 'coloured' or half caste.....no longer acceptable in polite society......unless you are black yourself then anything goes. Smile

I suppose it's the way words were used, and by whom,  rather than the actual words themselves that originally caused offence.
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Post by Original Quill Tue Dec 29, 2015 6:03 pm

Syl wrote:Language is ever changing. The N word, which in my lifetime has always been used as an insulting term for a black person was taken from the word Negro which was acceptable till fairly recently.
As was the term 'coloured' or half caste.....no longer acceptable in polite society......unless you are black yourself then anything goes. Smile

I suppose it's the way words were used, and by whom,  rather than the actual words themselves that originally caused offence.

I don't even think the 'by whom' qualification is always the case. Blacks are humans too. They go through the same emotions, and life cycles, etc. They acclimate to words through history, just as we all do.

If a black mother slaps a black son for using the N-word, it's going to be considered wrong. The problem is that blacks have been told that they are wrong so much, they just use the wrong language out of moral habit--spite, if they are angry. A perfectly normal reaction. Tell a kid he's wrong so much, and it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. He goes from being told he is wrong, to thinking he's wrong, to making wrong choices...just to conform to your expectations.

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Post by eddie Tue Dec 29, 2015 6:07 pm

Most blacks use the term n---er as an affectionate term and some, to describe a low-life black person.

I still say half-caste, and so do a lot of black people.

It's stupid shallow white people, who deemed half-caste as a derogatory term.
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Post by Original Quill Tue Dec 29, 2015 6:12 pm

eddie wrote:Most blacks use the term n---er as an affectionate term and some, to describe a low-life black person.

What is your evidence for that? You can hypothesize, but it should be identified as such. If you have evidence, I would love to see it. It's a most interesting thesis.

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Post by eddie Tue Dec 29, 2015 6:17 pm

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eddie wrote:Most blacks use the term n---er as an affectionate term and some, to describe a low-life black person.

What is your evidence for that?  You can hypothesize, but it should be identified as such.  If you have evidence, I would love to see it.  It's a most interesting thesis.

Well I don't voice record them saying it!! lol!

It's just something my friends and their friends have always said....perhaps more my generation?
Although I have a younger friend, I've known her since she was young, !she reads this forum occasionally when there's a good debate going on (I text her to let her know) and she and I muck about all the time using that phrase and many others.
She's a black woman and married to a white guy, she calls her kids half-caste becaeue she comes from the time when it didn't bloody matter.

Ps she also spent a great deal of her younger life in New Zealand and they're not politically correct!
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Post by Syl Tue Dec 29, 2015 6:28 pm

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Syl wrote:Language is ever changing. The N word, which in my lifetime has always been used as an insulting term for a black person was taken from the word Negro which was acceptable till fairly recently.
As was the term 'coloured' or half caste.....no longer acceptable in polite society......unless you are black yourself then anything goes. Smile

I suppose it's the way words were used, and by whom,  rather than the actual words themselves that originally caused offence.

I don't even think the 'by whom' qualification is always the case.  Blacks are humans too.  They go through the same emotions, and life cycles, etc.  They acclimate to words through history, just as we all do.  

If a black mother slaps a black son for using the N-word, it's going to be considered wrong.  The problem is that blacks have been told that they are wrong so much, they just use the wrong language out of moral habit--spite, if they are angry.  A perfectly normal reaction.  Tell a kid he's wrong so much, and it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. He goes from being told he is wrong, to thinking he's wrong, to making wrong choices...just to conform to your expectations.

Black music is full of the N word...and full of the MF words too....it's oddly quite acceptable for them to use the words between themselves.

And if this doesn't make your ears bleed nothing will.

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Post by Original Quill Wed Dec 30, 2015 2:27 am

Syl wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

I don't even think the 'by whom' qualification is always the case.  Blacks are humans too.  They go through the same emotions, and life cycles, etc.  They acclimate to words through history, just as we all do.  

If a black mother slaps a black son for using the N-word, it's going to be considered wrong.  The problem is that blacks have been told that they are wrong so much, they just use the wrong language out of moral habit--spite, if they are angry.  A perfectly normal reaction.  Tell a kid he's wrong so much, and it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. He goes from being told he is wrong, to thinking he's wrong, to making wrong choices...just to conform to your expectations.

Black music is full of the N word...and full of the MF words too....it's oddly quite acceptable for them to use the words between themselves.

And if this doesn't make your ears bleed nothing will.


Yes, I know Syl. Please pay particular attention to this difference between eds and I. I question why blacks have developed a fondness for the N-word. I maintain that it is institutionalized self-loathing. Eds maintains it is celebratory. Fascinating debate, eh?

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