Medicare Part G

Raggamuffin wrote:Are the "right wingers" responsible for these allegedly cushy conditions in prison then?

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:Are the "right wingers" responsible for these allegedly cushy conditions in prison then?

You obviously don't have the first clue about what it's like in a U.S. prison. For every year spent in a U.S. prison, average lifespan decreases by two years: http://www.futurity.org/prison-time-cuts-lifespan-until-parole-ends/

And yeah, our prisoners get better care than law-abiding citizens in many cases. There's even the isolated story about people who commit crimes in order to have their serious illnesses treated.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:Are the "right wingers" responsible for these allegedly cushy conditions in prison then?

You obviously don't have the first clue about what it's like in a U.S. prison. For every year spent in a U.S. prison, average lifespan decreases by two years: http://www.futurity.org/prison-time-cuts-lifespan-until-parole-ends/

You clearly forgot what you posted before.

And yeah, our prisoners get better care than law-abiding citizens in many cases. There's even the isolated story about people who commit crimes in order to have their serious illnesses treated.

You also missed the word "allegedly".

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

You clearly forgot what you posted before.



You also missed the word "allegedly".

I didn't forget -- our prisons are obliged to feed and provide health care for prisoners -- but not to keep them from being raped and murdered by fellow inmates. You have a narrow definition of "cushy."

I didn't miss the word "allegedly" either: http://www.care2.com/causes/go-to-jail-for-free-health-care-5-desperate-people-who-tried.html

Stormee wrote:Right wingers, left wingers, misspellings, should be WHINGERS.

I am sick to death about this RW/LW which is stamped on people, I would be accused of being some of both if I would get entangled in it.
How come a simple little humorous     post turns into aggression and attempts at constant oneupmanship?

Stormee wrote:Right wingers, left wingers, misspellings, should be WHINGERS.

I am sick to death about this RW/LW which is stamped on people, I would be accused of being some of both if I would get entangled in it.
How come a simple little humorous     post turns into aggression and attempts at constant oneupmanship?

Raggamuffin wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

You clearly forgot what you posted before.



You also missed the word "allegedly".

I didn't forget -- our prisons are obliged to feed and provide health care for prisoners -- but not to keep them from being raped and murdered by fellow inmates. You have a narrow definition of "cushy."

I didn't miss the word "allegedly" either: http://www.care2.com/causes/go-to-jail-for-free-health-care-5-desperate-people-who-tried.html

I really don't give a toss what it's like in your prisons, I was merely commenting on your usual tactic of pointing the finger at "right wingers".

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

I really don't give a toss what it's like in your prisons, I was merely commenting on your usual tactic of pointing the finger at "right wingers".

Right wingers are responsible for the "tough on crime" phenomenon in American politics and take the blame for prison overcrowding and failing to make prisons safe.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

I really don't give a toss what it's like in your prisons, I was merely commenting on your usual tactic of pointing the finger at "right wingers".

Right wingers are responsible for the "tough on crime" phenomenon in American politics and take the blame for prison overcrowding and failing to make prisons safe.

Shouldn't you be blaming the criminals who actually do something bad enough to go to prison? If you can't do the time, don't do the crime and all that.

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Shouldn't you be blaming the criminals who actually do something bad enough to go to prison? If you can't do the time, don't do the crime and all that.

Do you think the criminals are the reason the U.S. has the largest incarcerated population on the planet?

Raggamuffin wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Shouldn't you be blaming the criminals who actually do something bad enough to go to prison? If you can't do the time, don't do the crime and all that.

Do you think the criminals are the reason the U.S. has the largest incarcerated population on the planet?

Yes, although I'll have to take your word for that.

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Yes, although I'll have to take your word for that.

You don't have to take my word for anything, you can easily look that up. I have a browser extension where I can highlight a string of text, such as "the U.S. has the largest incarcerated population on the planet," and search that term with a right-click.

But let me ask you this -- when the crime rate has been dropping since the mid-90s in the U.S. (another thing you can check on your own) and the violent crime rate is at its lowest point since 1978 (look it up), why should the U.S., with 5 percent of the world's people, have 20 percent of the world's total imprisoned population?

Lord Foul wrote:because ben, you dont have a "justice system"...you have a penal code...which is a different thing and easier to abuse...which is why ...inch by inch, drip by drop the same is being introduced over here

Raggamuffin wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Yes, although I'll have to take your word for that.

You don't have to take my word for anything, you can easily look that up. I have a browser extension where I can highlight a string of text, such as "the U.S. has the largest incarcerated population on the planet," and search that term with a right-click.

But let me ask you this -- when the crime rate has been dropping since the mid-90s in the U.S. (another thing you can check on your own) and the violent crime rate is at its lowest point since 1978 (look it up), why should the U.S., with 5 percent of the world's people, have 20 percent of the world's total imprisoned population?

Maybe you just have more crims than other countries. That's the wrong question anyway. The question is - by what percentage has the prison population gone up in the US compared to the drop in crime rate?

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Maybe you just have more crims than other countries. That's the wrong question anyway. The question is - by what percentage has the prison population gone up in the US compared to the drop in crime rate?

I'm not your errand boy -- if you're trying to make a point on the basis of that data, you present it. I'm saying we have 5 percent of the world population and 20 percent of its prisoners even though crime has dropped to the rate it was in the early '60s.

Experts are saying locking up people isn't causing the reduction:

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/02/the-many-causes-of-americas-decline-in-crime/385364/

I'm also saying that making policy based on emotion in this case (as in most) has done way more harm than good.

Raggamuffin wrote:People still have to actually commit a crime to get a minimum sentence though don't they?

Raggamuffin wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Maybe you just have more crims than other countries. That's the wrong question anyway. The question is - by what percentage has the prison population gone up in the US compared to the drop in crime rate?

I'm not your errand boy -- if you're trying to make a point on the basis of that data, you present it. I'm saying we have 5 percent of the world population and 20 percent of its prisoners even though crime has dropped to the rate it was in the early '60s.

Experts are saying locking up people isn't causing the reduction:

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/02/the-many-causes-of-americas-decline-in-crime/385364/

I'm also saying that making policy based on emotion in this case (as in most) has done way more harm than good.

I'm merely pointing out that your question was silly.

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:People still have to actually commit a crime to get a minimum sentence though don't they?

And locking them up for years because of relatively minor crimes like marijuana possession has turned the U.S. prison system into Criminal College!

http://www.clarionledger.com/story/news/2014/10/20/prison-college-criminality/17595587/

"I have done everything in my power to stay in prison, because I am aware that I will kill others," Smith told authorities. "I do not want to go into society, and that is the main reason I killed Inmate Majors."

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

I'm merely pointing out that your question was silly.

I don't care what your opinion about my question is. I think Americans should be (and are) concerned that we have so many people in prison.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:People still have to actually commit a crime to get a minimum sentence though don't they?

And locking them up for years because of relatively minor crimes like marijuana possession has turned the U.S. prison system into Criminal College!

http://www.clarionledger.com/story/news/2014/10/20/prison-college-criminality/17595587/

"I have done everything in my power to stay in prison, because I am aware that I will kill others," Smith told authorities. "I do not want to go into society, and that is the main reason I killed Inmate Majors."

Clearly this guy should have been in prison even earlier than he was!

Raggamuffin wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

I'm merely pointing out that your question was silly.

I don't care what your opinion about my question is. I think Americans should be (and are) concerned that we have so many people in prison.

Well stop introducing red herrings about errand boys then. I didn't ask you to find anything out, I said you asked the wrong question, and I posted the right question. I didn't actually expect you to answer it.

ben_reilly wrote:For that matter, any country with such a high percentage of people locked up should be asking the basic questions of, are these political prisoners? Is the system fair? Should an 18-year-old go to prison for a decade for getting caught with a bag of weed?

Ben_Reilly wrote:For that matter, any country with such a high percentage of people locked up should be asking the basic questions of, are these political prisoners? Is the system fair? Should an 18-year-old go to prison for a decade for getting caught with a bag of weed?

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:



Clearly this guy should have been in prison even earlier than he was!

The point is, this is the type of person the incarcerated are learning from when they spend long stretches in prison.