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It’s Cameron, not Corbyn, who is the terrorist appeaser

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Post by Irn Bru Fri Dec 04, 2015 9:00 am

Prime minister David Cameron’s argument in the Commons for permission to bomb Syria was not based on any new or coherent strategy. As he himself pointed out, it merely follows the logic of a previous vote to bomb Iraq. Even so, like Tony Blair before the Iraq invasion of 2003, he had to rely on abusing his opponents, scaring the public and disseminating dubious intelligence.

Nothing so undermined the prime minister’s plausibility yesterday as his refusal simply and briskly to withdraw the smear that his opponents were “terrorist sympathisers”. It suggested a man so nervous of his case as to be unable to give any quarter. It also opened him to the counter-smear, that his own relentless deployment of the politics of fear makes him terrorism’s “useful idiot”.

Cameron’s case for dropping bombs on Syria – it hardly constitutes “going to war” – emerges from two previous decisions. The first was the invasion of Iraq and the failure to install stability and democracy in the aftermath. American and British policy at the time contributed directly to the rise of Islamic State, by disbanding the Republican Guard and then humiliating the Sunni population. That guard now supplies Isis with the effective core of its army, the same troops who under Saddam would have kept Isis ruthlessly in check.

The second decision was last year to join a raggle-taggle coalition of the half-willing in bombing Isis targets in northern Iraq. The strongest part of Cameron’s argument was that the Commons overwhelmingly backed that coalition. Now the targets had spread into Syria it made no sense to stop at the border. Britain was already supplying intelligence and drone bombing in Syria; a few more sorties by the RAF to placate our French allies would hardly make much difference.


http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/dec/03/cameron-corbyn-terrorist-appeaser-isis-coherent-military-strategy

Brilliant article from Simon Jenkins
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Post by Guest Fri Dec 04, 2015 9:01 am

It was, I made lots of comments on it, The Daily Fail bunch were out in force, it was fun lol

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Post by eddie Fri Dec 04, 2015 11:13 am

http://www.newsfixboard.com/t12578-is-this-why-the-war-on-syria-is-a-farce
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Post by Victorismyhero Fri Dec 04, 2015 11:46 am

Then again of course, the left would do nowt and invite em all here....
no doubt they would, as past labour chancellors did, rob our personal pension funds to pay for em all as well.

did em no end of good in oldham, where the immigrant vote secured their place ...yet again
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Post by SEXY MAMA Fri Dec 04, 2015 1:01 pm

Indeed Irn

Didnt the hypocrite bastard Cameron say on the 4th October 2015
That Russia's bombing campaign in Syria will lead to further radicalisation and increased terrorism!!!!!!!
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Post by nicko Fri Dec 04, 2015 1:20 pm

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Post by Andy Fri Dec 04, 2015 6:33 pm

Any credibility Cameron had in the HOC debate started evaporating with his refusal to apologise for his ill thought out comments about Terrorist Sympathisers, which included a number of his fellow tories. The last vestige dissappeared after Benn's rousing speech. Whether you are for or agin the bombing (I am against it UNTIL a clearly defined end result and exit strategy has been agreed by the coilition partners), Benn's clarity of thought, the balance he brought to both sides of the debate and the amount of thought and consideration given to the speech put him far far ahead of Cameron (and Corbyn) in terms of statesmanship and leadership. Like his father, he is a man who exudes honesty and integrity. You might disagree with him and his policy, but you respect him as a man, an MP and as a natural leader.
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Post by nicko Fri Dec 04, 2015 6:50 pm

Got to agree with you there handy.
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Post by Irn Bru Sat Dec 05, 2015 12:52 am

I would normally agree with what Andy has posted but there are questions to be asked when Benn just a couple of weeks ago was saying exactly the opposite.

Maybe he see's himself as a candidate to take over as leader in the future. All very odd.

Hilary Benn: Shadow Foreign Secretary says Labour won't back air strikes on Syria

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/hilary-benn-shadow-foreign-secretary-says-labour-wont-back-air-strikes-on-syria-a6734651.html
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Post by Andy Sat Dec 05, 2015 9:34 am

I agree Irn. We need leadership,statesmanship and men of integrity and principle in these troubled times. Benn thought long and hard over his position, and wrestled with his concience before his final decision.
You are correct in that he is possibly lining himself as a leadership candidate if Corbyn stands down.
I think the country would welcome honest politicians like Benn and Vaz at the helm during these troubled times.
I suspect Cameron has already revealed his dodgy dossier with his 70,000 troops on the ground, which now appears to be an anylyst's error.
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Post by nicko Sat Dec 05, 2015 2:18 pm

Cameron, useless, Corbyn, worse than useless,  Benn i'm not too sure of.
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