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Post by Ben Reilly Sat Oct 24, 2015 7:04 am

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I'm really tired of people defying me on my own fucking forum.

I'm dropping the hammer. Smelly defied me -- look for his posts over the next ... forever. They won't be there. He can start SmellyBanditFix and see how that goes.

The only thing you goddamn idiots (those of you who aren't, know who you are) understand is the power of the ban-hammer. Feel the power, and don't fuck with me and my friends. Do that, and we're cool. Don't, and you're not welcome in this place I made.
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Post by nicko Sat Oct 24, 2015 7:35 pm

Why should the people of Nothern Ireland give in to what the Southern Irish want?...And I could point out that most of the Southern Irish are content to leave things as they are.Any way I wont get into an argument about Ireland with you as I was sick of the fucking place and the murdering scum that I "met"
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Post by eddie Sat Oct 24, 2015 7:39 pm

sassy wrote:
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Handy Andy wrote:
Like me,Ben appears to be a pacifist.
What will posters do even if he does support the IRA?Argue their case or leave this site as a protest?

Are you back for good JD?


Oh don't you bloody start, I speak the HA on the phone, and he is NOT JD.

But have you spoken to JD? Suspect

lol!
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Post by Original Quill Sat Oct 24, 2015 7:47 pm

nicko wrote:Why should the people of Nothern Ireland give in to what the Southern Irish want?...And I could point out that most of the Southern Irish are content to leave things as they are.Any way I wont get into an argument about Ireland with you as I was sick of the fucking place and the murdering scum that I "met"

It's not north/south.  I don't even think it's a Catholic thing, tho that ripens the apple.

If you go back far enough, the Germanic tribes were always shoving the Celtics to the west.  That's why we have the Welsh out there.  And during the time of David I, the Normans moved into Scotland.  That's why the Clan Scots were shoved into the highlands and islands.  The Gaelic people form the nucleus of the Irish, although England put down a foothold between Belfast and Londonderry.

So it's more Gaelic vs. English (Norman), than north and south, or Catholic vs. protestant.

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Post by Andy Sat Oct 24, 2015 7:53 pm

Joy Division is not only Scottish,he even writes with a Scottish accent!.
As Sassy will confirm,I am firmly a Suvverner.
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Post by Guest Sat Oct 24, 2015 8:04 pm

Handy Andy wrote:Joy Division is not only Scottish,he even writes with a Scottish accent!.
As Sassy will confirm,I am firmly a Suvverner.

Yep

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Post by Andy Sat Oct 24, 2015 8:12 pm

Conspiracy theorists breed on here.. Is Tommy Monk really Tom Saw@#$ ?.
Identical views. Same first names. Easy to understand why they could be mistaken.
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Post by Guest Sat Oct 24, 2015 8:13 pm

Handy Andy wrote:Conspiracy theorists breed on here.. Is Tommy Monk really Tom Saw@#$ ?.
Identical views. Same first names. Easy to understand why they could be mistaken.

LOL!!!!!!!

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Post by Tommy Monk Sat Oct 24, 2015 8:17 pm

Handy Andy wrote:Conspiracy theorists breed on here.. Is Tommy Monk really Tom Saw@#$ ?.
Identical views. Same first names. Easy to understand why they could be mistaken.


Is that a conspiracy theory, hand shandy...!?


lol!



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Post by Andy Sat Oct 24, 2015 8:22 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:
Handy Andy wrote:Conspiracy theorists breed on here.. Is Tommy Monk really Tom Saw@#$ ?.
Identical views. Same first names. Easy to understand why they could be mistaken.


Is that a conspiracy theory, hand shandy...!?

Some of your posts are a bit far out Tom,but even you wouldn't want to be likened to Tom Saw@#$.
He is beneath wrong on every level.


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Post by Guest Sat Oct 24, 2015 8:23 pm

feelthelove wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:We still know...

We do You fuck with the bull? You get the horns. - Page 4 Secret11

Keep it up miss Sugar Tits Laughing

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Post by Guest Sat Oct 24, 2015 8:30 pm

Christie wrote:
feelthelove wrote:

We do You fuck with the bull? You get the horns. - Page 4 Secret11

Keep it up miss Sugar Tits Laughing

Your use of the same insults as Sassy only reinforces our belief that you are one and the same. You are only showing yourself up You fuck with the bull? You get the horns. - Page 4 Carry_10

Thanks for the sugar tits compliment btw! You fuck with the bull? You get the horns. - Page 4 Giggle34

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Post by Guest Sat Oct 24, 2015 8:41 pm

feelthelove wrote:
Christie wrote:

Keep it up miss Sugar Tits Laughing

Your use of the same insults as Sassy only reinforces our belief that you are one and the same. You are only showing yourself up You fuck with the bull? You get the horns. - Page 4 Carry_10

Thanks for the sugar tits compliment btw! You fuck with the bull? You get the horns. - Page 4 Giggle34

Can't quite make your mind up, can you. First it was an insult and now its a compliment? LOL

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Post by Guest Sat Oct 24, 2015 8:55 pm

Christie wrote:
feelthelove wrote:

Your use of the same insults as Sassy only reinforces our belief that you are one and the same. You are only showing yourself up You fuck with the bull? You get the horns. - Page 4 Carry_10

Thanks for the sugar tits compliment btw! You fuck with the bull? You get the horns. - Page 4 Giggle34

Can't quite make your mind up, can you. First it was an insult and now its a compliment? LOL

You fuck with the bull? You get the horns. - Page 4 Yeah_y10 Keep posting, you are showing us who you really are without a doubt.  Posters aren't stupid, they can see past your lies, the way you patronise, your dual identities.  Your posts aren't about me, they are about you.

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Post by SEXY MAMA Sat Oct 24, 2015 9:55 pm

FTL Christie isn't Sassy!
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Post by Guest Sat Oct 24, 2015 9:57 pm

SEXY MAMA wrote:FTL Christie isn't Sassy!

Don't bother, she's obsessed.

This is the real FTL, not the persona she likes to pretend.

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Post by Tommy Monk Sun Oct 25, 2015 12:07 am

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Is that a conspiracy theory, hand shandy...!?





Some of your posts are a bit far out Tom,but even you wouldn't want to be likened to Tom Saw@#$.
He is beneath wrong on every level.



lol!





You did suggest we were the same...


How are any of my posts 'a bit far out'...?


Why do lefties always believe that only their opinions are right and all other peoples opinions are wrong/far out/lacking any respect or validity etc...?


Of course you are entitled to disagree... but if so, what you should be doing is explain what it is exactly that you disagree with and why with legitimate arguments, be able to give a coherent alternative opinion, then be able to back up your alternative opinion with legitimate argument as to why it is better!!!


I have always done this... while you lefties just seem to think you can shout insults at any opinions you don't like, louder and louder, until they go away!


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Post by Eilzel Sun Oct 25, 2015 12:16 am

Ben. The UK doesn't 'rule' Scotland, Wales or NI. We exist as a highly devilved political union. Scotland and Ireland potentially vote to leave one day, no reason Wales couldn't too. The UK exists because the people of all the unified nations want it to.
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Post by Original Quill Sun Oct 25, 2015 4:24 am

Eilzel wrote:Ben. The UK doesn't 'rule' Scotland, Wales or NI. We exist as a highly devilved political union. Scotland and Ireland potentially vote to leave one day, no reason Wales couldn't too. The UK exists because the people of all the unified nations want it to.

Yes, but what the UK wants (or any of its inclusive parts) is separate from what the Irish want. The Gaels say, with some reason, that the northern parts of their island were stolen by the English.

Not taking sides...just speaking up to clarify.

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Post by Eilzel Sun Oct 25, 2015 4:26 am

The Irish in NI want to be part of the UK. If/when they don't, they can choose to leave.
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Post by Original Quill Sun Oct 25, 2015 4:33 am

Eilzel wrote:The Irish in NI want to be part of the UK. If/when they don't, they can choose to leave.

I know, Les--and again, I'm just speaking to clarify--but Sassy is right.  The issue isn't what the inclusive states of the UK want.  It's not between the UK internal states.

As I explained, it goes back to the Gaels and Normans.  It's between the Irish and the UK today.  The inhabitants of NI are basically English, who allegedly stole their land from the Irish inhabitants. But this goes back to the days of Richard II and beyond.

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Post by Eilzel Sun Oct 25, 2015 5:05 am

True though that is, the NI Irish are technically more Irish than you are American ;-)
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Post by Original Quill Sun Oct 25, 2015 5:51 am

Eilzel wrote:True though that is, the NI Irish are technically more Irish than you are American ;-)

Except for native Americans, every American is essentially from somewhere else, and has some identity from that place.  I am an island Scot.  My grandfather came from Scotland and was educated at the University of Glasgow.

What you mean by "more Irish" is probably longevity.  While true, I believe the origin of the so-called Irish problem goes all the way back to the discord with the Germanic tribes (Angles, Saxons and Normans) and the Celtics.  I believe things like religion came later.

The British Isles are wedged-shaped, low in the east and higher as you go to the west.  The Germanic tribes came in from the east and slowly pushed the Celts (Gaels) back toward the west.  

Library wrote:Saxons (and their neighbours the Angles and Jutes) started arriving in the British Isles from about the 5th century AD. They came from what is now Denmark, North Germany and Friesland, though they probably lived further East before that. They spoke Germanic languages. These languages (usually lumped together as "Old English" or "Anglo-Saxon") became dominant in most of England and southern Scotland, while Cornwall, Ireland, Wales and northern Scotland remained largely Celtic-speaking.

The Gaels eventually settled in Ireland...and if you pushed any more, they would have to swim.  So they decided they had to take a stand there.  Hence...the Irish problem.

NI is just where they stopped the approach of the Germanic English.  In ancient times it was called Dalridia, and it the original source of the Scots:

Celtic History wrote:Dalridia is the Gaelic kingdom that, at least from the 5th century AD, extended on both sides of the North Channel and composed the northern part of the present County Antrim, Northern Ireland, and part of the Inner Hebrides and Argyll, in Scotland.

In earlier times, Argyll had received extensive immigration from the Irish of Northern Ireland (known as "Scoti"), and had become an Irish (i.e., "Scottish") area. In the latter half of the 5th century, the ruling family of Irish Dalriada crossed into Scottish Dalriada and made Dunadd and Dunolly its chief strongholds. Irish Dalriada gradually declined; and after the Viking invasions early in the 9th century, it lost all political identity.

The political history of the Dalriada in Britain is traced from the time of Fergus Mor (d. 501), who moved the seat of the royal dynasty of Dalriada from Ireland to northern Britain. Scottish Dalriada was confined to the western coast of modern Scotland, including Arran, Jura, Islay, Mull, and numerous other smaller islands, with its seat at Dunadd in Argyll. From 574 to 606/8, Dalriada was ruled by one of its most dynamic and successful kings, Aedan mac Gabran.

Despite heavy onslaughts from the Picts, the Dalriada of the Scottish mainland continued to expand. In the mid-9th century its king Kenneth I MacAlpin brought the Picts permanently under Dalriadic rule, and thereafter the whole country was known as Scotland.

After the 5th-century, there began the push of the Germanic tribes from Northern Europe, culminating with the Normans (Norse men) who had previously settled in Northern France.  William I (The Conqueror) was the Duke of Normandy and his wife, Matilda of Flanders, was from what is now Belgium.  They came to Britain in 1066 AD with huge retinues, who were then settled into estates...which under King David I, extended into Scotland.  From then on there was a steady push of the Gaelic peoples westward.

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Post by Eilzel Sun Oct 25, 2015 6:20 am

Quill, regardless of where the ancestry of the NI lays, the fact is they have a centuries old claim to that land and every right to call themselves Irish- as you call yourself American.

Remember, we qualify immigrants to Britain as 'British' if they were born here (or have lived here for a substantial amount of time). So by that reasoning the NI Irish are Irish.

How long people have been somewhere, relatively or otherwise, is not a yardstick for how well you qualify to call the country yours or yourself a member of that nation. I call myself British, in spite of being English and there having a history on this island shorter than a Welshman.

For the record, I believe a time is approaching when the N.Irish majority will want to leave the union. And they are welcome to do so if that time comes. But they are rightfully Irish whatever they choose.
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Post by eddie Sun Oct 25, 2015 10:30 am

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Handy Andy wrote:Joy Division is not only Scottish,he even writes with a Scottish accent!.
As Sassy will confirm,I am firmly a Suvverner.

Oui, c'est correct, bien sur...

Mais, nous pouvons tous être ce que nous voulons être......

donc je suis française .... oui ?
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Post by Andy Sun Oct 25, 2015 10:50 am

Je parle le Frncaise un petit peu - et j'ai tres Anglais.
Je pense - donc,je suis.
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Post by The Devil, You Know Sun Oct 25, 2015 12:09 pm

Ben_Reilly wrote:Just wanted to add -- I hate this site for what it's become. I'd like it again, if it could be a place where people who don't constantly snipe at each other like fucking children could talk about interesting ideas and news. So if you think I'm being an asshole, please, PLEASE delete your account, fuck away from here and never besmirch my existence again. It would make me quite happy.
if you hate it and the people so much why dont you close it and start a new one and only invite those you agree with.
it only takes a quick press of a button and then a click on a confirmation email.

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Post by The Devil, You Know Sun Oct 25, 2015 12:12 pm

sassy wrote:There was a reason for it Zack.  When people put posts saying that there should be refugees heads on spikes on a fence to deter othere refugees, that's way over the line.
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Post by The Devil, You Know Sun Oct 25, 2015 12:14 pm

Eilzel wrote:Nems, I'm on mobile now so will check it later. That said, a video in spite is not something I'd condone. But as I have made clear, I totally understand Ben's being absolutely pissed off with a sizeable number of British posters here right now, I'm pretty ashamed of the impression given here myself.

Ben should not have a pro-IRA sig. But he should not have had to put up with the shit he has either. Good on him for banning SB. Hopefully a lot of rats will follow the garbage overboard.
if he hates brits because they are brits then he is in fact a vile little racist himself, surely?
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Post by Andy Sun Oct 25, 2015 12:15 pm

Because you would have got your wish then,Dean. You always try to shut down the opposition.
I told Ben that when you joined.
He is doing a fine job rooting out the trouble makers - mostly rw extremists who you know well.
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Post by The Devil, You Know Sun Oct 25, 2015 12:32 pm

Handy Andy wrote:Because you would have got your wish then,Dean. You always try to shut down the opposition.
I told Ben that when you joined.
He is doing a fine job rooting out the trouble makers - mostly rw extremists who you know well.
when have i ever tried to shut down the opposition.
the opposition as you call it has thrown in the towel and shut themselves down numerous times now.

I just wonder why a person runs a forum when he hates most of the posters and makes no bones about it. I am sure he would invite you along to the new one as you would most certainly agree with every work he speaks.
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Post by Eilzel Sun Oct 25, 2015 12:34 pm

Dean, it is obvious to anyone with a single functioning brain cell that Ben doesn't hate Brits. He dislikes many Brits that were here because they were twats- big difference. And he was right :-)
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Post by The Devil, You Know Sun Oct 25, 2015 12:37 pm

Eilzel wrote:Dean, it is obvious to anyone with a single functioning brain cell that Ben doesn't hate Brits. He dislikes many Brits that were here because they were twats- big difference. And he was right :-)
no he hates brits that is quite obvious, he may put up with those who toe his particular line, but I doubt he would stand up for them if push came to shove.,
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Post by The Devil, You Know Sun Oct 25, 2015 12:39 pm

sassy wrote:
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Speak to Ben dear.


Tell you what, how about it, my clock says 15.11.  I'll post 'this is me' exactly on the 15.15, you so the same, it will stop miss sugar syrup getting herself melted lol
you can post from 2 different browser with different accounts on the same pc or 2 different pc's. you can use different proxys on the same PC. that would prove nothing. Although looking behind the scenes it appears that you dont share IP's.
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Post by Andy Sun Oct 25, 2015 12:40 pm

Were they Flop stooges sent by Dean to cause disruption. As if there isnt enough extremist hatred on his own site.
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Post by nicko Sun Oct 25, 2015 12:41 pm

Eilzil, if he didn't hate Brits why would he put up a video of rebel Irish songs
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Post by nicko Sun Oct 25, 2015 12:48 pm

Handy Pandy,why do you keep referring to
Flap,? your getting really tiresome with your continuous referring to that forum. For Gods sake give it a rest.I Thought you were not supposed to mention other Forum.
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Post by Eilzel Sun Oct 25, 2015 12:50 pm

The Devil, You Know wrote:
Eilzel wrote:Dean, it is obvious to anyone with a single functioning brain cell that Ben doesn't hate Brits. He dislikes many Brits that were here because they were twats- big difference. And he was right :-)
no he hates brits that is quite obvious, he may put up with those who toe his particular line, but I doubt he would stand up for them if push came to shove.,

Show me one single post where he obviously hates all Brits, and isn't clearly just having a dig at some of those here (all of whom he was nothing but tolerant and welcoming to when they first arrived).
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Post by Andy Sun Oct 25, 2015 1:22 pm

nicko wrote:Handy Pandy,why do you keep referring to
Flap,? your getting really tiresome with your continuous referring to that forum. For Gods sake give it a rest.I Thought you were not supposed to mention other Forum.
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Because the Devil is Dean - owner of Flop.
The clue is in his signature.
He is commenting on here. He and the forum he represents is fair game.
I would argue on his forum,but he bans anyone who arguea with him.
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Post by Original Quill Sun Oct 25, 2015 2:48 pm

Eilzel wrote:Quill, regardless of where the ancestry of the NI lays, the fact is they have a centuries old claim to that land and every right to call themselves Irish- as you call yourself American.

Remember, we qualify immigrants to Britain as 'British' if they were born here (or have lived here for a substantial amount of time). So by that reasoning the NI Irish are Irish.

How long people have been somewhere, relatively or otherwise, is not a yardstick for how well you qualify to call the country yours or yourself a member of that nation. I call myself British, in spite of being English and there having a history on this island shorter than a Welshman.

For the record, I believe a time is approaching when the N.Irish majority will want to leave the union. And they are welcome to do so if that time comes. But they are rightfully Irish whatever they choose.

Well, as I said, I take no position. I'm just presenting the facts.

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Post by Original Quill Sun Oct 25, 2015 2:56 pm

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Eilzel wrote:Dean, it is obvious to anyone with a single functioning brain cell that Ben doesn't hate Brits. He dislikes many Brits that were here because they were twats- big difference. And he was right :-)
no he hates brits that is quite obvious, he may put up with those who toe his particular line, but I doubt he would stand up for them if push came to shove.,

Correction...I would say Ben had great expectations from the Brits.  Some of them disappointed, which was a surprise.  Perhaps it comes from holding them in too high a regard. We're all just human.

Most of the Brits, if not all who are members are treasured.

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Post by Guest Sun Oct 25, 2015 3:00 pm

Original Quill wrote:
The Devil, You Know wrote:
no he hates brits that is quite obvious, he may put up with those who toe his particular line, but I doubt he would stand up for them if push came to shove.,

Correction...I would say Ben had great expectations from the Brits.  Some of them disappointed, which was a surprise.  Perhaps it comes from holding them in too high a regard.

Most of the Brits, if not all who are members are treasured.

What's not to love hey Quill You fuck with the bull? You get the horns. - Page 4 Draw_h10 x

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Post by Original Quill Sun Oct 25, 2015 3:02 pm

feelthelove wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

Correction...I would say Ben had great expectations from the Brits.  Some of them disappointed, which was a surprise.  Perhaps it comes from holding them in too high a regard.

Most of the Brits, if not all who are members are treasured.

What's not to love hey Quill You fuck with the bull? You get the horns. - Page 4 Draw_h10 x

I know...Right? You fuck with the bull? You get the horns. - Page 4 2089010162 xxx

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Post by Andy Sun Oct 25, 2015 3:02 pm

Original Quill wrote:
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no he hates brits that is quite obvious, he may put up with those who toe his particular line, but I doubt he would stand up for them if push came to shove.,



Correction...I would say Ben had great expectations from the Brits.  Some of them disappointed, which was a surprise.  Perhaps it comes from holding them in too high a regard.  We're all just human.

Most of the Brits, if not all who are members are treasured.

My member is certainly treasured.
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Original Quill wrote:
feelthelove wrote:

What's not to love hey Quill You fuck with the bull? You get the horns. - Page 4 Draw_h10 x

I know...Right?  You fuck with the bull? You get the horns. - Page 4 2089010162   xxx

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Post by Original Quill Sun Oct 25, 2015 3:06 pm

Handy Andy wrote:
Original Quill wrote:



Correction...I would say Ben had great expectations from the Brits.  Some of them disappointed, which was a surprise.  Perhaps it comes from holding them in too high a regard.  We're all just human.

Most of the Brits, if not all who are members are treasured.

My member is certainly treasured.

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Post by Guest Sun Oct 25, 2015 6:13 pm

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Tell you what, how about it, my clock says 15.11.  I'll post 'this is me' exactly on the 15.15, you so the same, it will stop miss sugar syrup getting herself melted lol
you can post from 2 different browser with different accounts on the same pc or 2 different pc's. you can use different proxys on the same PC. that would prove nothing. Although looking behind the scenes it appears that you dont share IP's.

Oh dear,  Dean trying to pretend he can look behind the scenes here.  Pathetic.

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Post by Andy Sun Oct 25, 2015 6:18 pm

sassy wrote:
The Devil, You Know wrote:
you can post from 2 different browser with different accounts on the same pc or 2 different pc's. you can use different proxys on the same PC. that would prove nothing. Although looking behind the scenes it appears that you dont share IP's.

Oh dear,  Dean trying to pretend he can look behind the scenes here.  Pathetic.

At lest he cannot use his stooge to hack into your pm's any more.
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Handy Andy wrote:
sassy wrote:

Oh dear,  Dean trying to pretend he can look behind the scenes here.  Pathetic.

At lest he cannot use his stooge to hack into your pm's any more.

Quite, I have a professional security set up now, put in by a computer expert.  The money was worth it after the last debacle.

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Post by veya_victaous Sun Oct 25, 2015 10:13 pm

Eilzel wrote:Dean, it is obvious to anyone with a single functioning brain cell that Ben doesn't hate Brits. He dislikes many Brits that were here because they were twats- big difference. And he was right :-)

and this is why i like Les
He is not an idiot Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

no one on here hates all Brits, but there is a very vocal  'British Nationalist element' that does make one wish Big Ben played the call to prayer.. even if it was just for a day....  just to piss them off  Twisted Evil Razz Razz Razz Razz
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veya_victaous wrote:
Eilzel wrote:Dean, it is obvious to anyone with a single functioning brain cell that Ben doesn't hate Brits. He dislikes many Brits that were here because they were twats- big difference. And he was right :-)

and this is why i like Les
He is not an idiot Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

no one on here hates all Brits, but there is a very vocal  'British Nationalist element' that does make one wish Big Ben played the call to prayer.. even if it was just for a day....  just to piss them off  Twisted Evil Razz Razz Razz Razz


Oh bloody hell, I'd pay good money to see and hear that and the look on their faces!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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