Egyptian Writer: Muslim History Is Rife With ISIS-Style Executions; Adopting Enlightenment Is The Only Weapon Against Such Brutality

In an article titled "Death by Fire Is an Islamic Punishment," Yasmin Al-Khatib, a liberal Egyptian writer and artist, criticized the fact that, following every brutal execution carried out by the Islamic State (ISIS), many Muslims claim that these actions have nothing to do with Islam. She noted that Muslim history – including the history of the Prophet and his Companions – is rife with stories of grisly executions, which indicates that such actions are not foreign to Islam. She stressed that Christianity, too, has a very violent history and engaged in many brutal practices. However, she said, Christianity changed over the years by choosing the path of enlightenment, and Islam must do the same, otherwise thousands of organizations like ISIS will emerge.

The following are excerpts of her article, which was posted on the website of the daily Al-Tahrir:

http://www.memri.org/report/en/0/0/0/0/0/0/8722.htm

lies and deceit to sow hatred of Muslims

everyone knows islam is a religion of peace

First of all, such executions (such as burning people alive, etc) didn't not happen during the prophets time.

And any executions during that time were as a result of due process.

Secondly, Enlightenment did NOTHING to stop the violence committed by Christians. George W. Bush and Blair went to war based on the Christian beliefs.

smelly-bandit wrote:lies and deceit to sow hatred of Muslims

everyone knows islam is a religion of peace

Didge now shares similar views to you.

Both of you should get along like brothers in arms. ;-)

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

smelly-bandit wrote:lies and deceit to sow hatred of Muslims

everyone knows islam is a religion of peace

Didge now shares similar views to you.

Both of you should get along like brothers in arms. ;-)

Dodge doesn't hate Muslims, he just hasn't much time for religion.
Two different things zack.

Fuzzy Zack wrote:First of all, such executions (such as burning people alive, etc) didn't not happen during the prophets time.

And any executions during that time were as a result of due process.

Secondly, Enlightenment did NOTHING to stop the violence committed by Christians. George W.  Bush and Blair went to war based on the Christian beliefs.

But there were not enacted out on Christian doctrine.
Where as any Islamic history is based on unreliable documents, of which many Muslims do believe such events happen and it is what people believe that matters or creates harm within a religion.

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

smelly-bandit wrote:lies and deceit to sow hatred of Muslims

everyone knows islam is a religion of peace

Didge now shares similar views to you.

Both of you should get along like brothers in arms. ;-)

Actually on Sky we held similar views over Islam.
I do not share many of smell's views at all, because his are formed from prejudice.

Fuzzy Zack wrote:First of all, such executions (such as burning people alive, etc) didn't not happen during the prophets time.

And any executions during that time were as a result of due process.

Secondly, Enlightenment did NOTHING to stop the violence committed by Christians. George W.  Bush and Blair went to war based on the Christian beliefs.

if bush and blair went to war on christain beliefs then what are IS doing it for??

smelly-bandit wrote:

Fuzzy Zack wrote:First of all, such executions (such as burning people alive, etc) didn't not happen during the prophets time.

And any executions during that time were as a result of due process.

Secondly, Enlightenment did NOTHING to stop the violence committed by Christians. George W.  Bush and Blair went to war based on the Christian beliefs.

if bush and blair went to war on christain beliefs then what are IS doing it for??

Both groups went to war on misguided beliefs.

And so for Didge - there's nothing in the Sunnah which justifies what Isis are doing. And as with Isis, Bush and Blair admitted to relying on scripture before going to war.

eddie wrote:

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Didge now shares similar views to you.

Both of you should get along like brothers in arms. ;-)

Dodge doesn't hate Muslims, he just hasn't much time for religion.
Two different things zack.

Both bigots - one mild, one extra hot.

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

smelly-bandit wrote:


if bush and blair went to war on christain beliefs then what are IS doing it for??

Both groups went to war on misguided beliefs.

And so for Didge - there's nothing in the Sunnah which justifies what Isis are doing. And as with Isis, Bush and Blair admitted to relying on scripture before going to war.

So your argument is based on using works unreliable also.
You see it is down to what people believe and there certianly is historical claims to these punishments happenning. Why are you even disputing that? You cannot just attempt to whitewash history and take the view it is impossible some of these events may have occured including these punishments. The very fact they mimic earlier accounts shows where these views have formed from does it not?

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

eddie wrote:

Dodge doesn't hate Muslims, he just hasn't much time for religion.
Two different things zack.

Both bigots - one mild, one extra hot.

Which is comical in itself as being a literal believer in any of the Abrahamic faiths automatically makes you a bigot towards non-believers of your faith.

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

smelly-bandit wrote:


if bush and blair went to war on christain beliefs then what are IS doing it for??

Both groups went to war on misguided beliefs.

And so for Didge - there's nothing in the Sunnah which justifies what Isis are doing. And as with Isis, Bush and Blair admitted to relying on scripture before going to war.

Qur'an (5:33) - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides..."

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Islamic State militants have ratcheted up their savagery with a horrific video showing an executioner hacking off a prisoner's hand and foot while he is tied to a cross.

In shocking footage which has plumbed to new depths of depravity - even by ISIS's sickening standards - the knife-wielding jihadist is seen slicing off the man's limbs as he hangs helplessly from the wooden stake.

After the barbaric attack, the video then zooms in to show the man's corpse - dressed in an orange Guantanamo-style jumpsuit - hanging lifelessly in the middle of the desert.

Chillingly, the four-minute video even includes a 'confession' with the man before he is executed. The terror group claims it carried out the brutal killing because the man, believed to be from Iraq, was working as a spy.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3127092/ISIS-barbarians-plumb-new-depths-depravity-horrific-video-showing-spy-having-hand-foot-chopped-tied-cross.html
you were saying??

i think islamic state are demonstrating the relationship between islam and violence perfectly well

smelly-bandit wrote:

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Both groups went to war on misguided beliefs.

And so for Didge - there's nothing in the Sunnah which justifies what Isis are doing. And as with Isis, Bush and Blair admitted to relying on scripture before going to war.

Qur'an (5:33) - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides..."

****************************************************

Islamic State militants have ratcheted up their savagery with a horrific video showing an executioner hacking off a prisoner's hand and foot while he is tied to a cross.

In shocking footage which has plumbed to new depths of depravity - even by ISIS's sickening standards - the knife-wielding jihadist is seen slicing off the man's limbs as he hangs helplessly from the wooden stake.

After the barbaric attack, the video then zooms in to show the man's corpse - dressed in an orange Guantanamo-style jumpsuit - hanging lifelessly in the middle of the desert.

Chillingly, the four-minute video even includes a 'confession' with the man before he is executed. The terror group claims it carried out the brutal killing because the man, believed to be from Iraq, was working as a spy.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3127092/ISIS-barbarians-plumb-new-depths-depravity-horrific-video-showing-spy-having-hand-foot-chopped-tied-cross.html
you were saying??

http://theamericanmuslim.org/tam.php/features/articles/quran_533_commentary

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

smelly-bandit wrote:

Qur'an (5:33) - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides..."

****************************************************

Islamic State militants have ratcheted up their savagery with a horrific video showing an executioner hacking off a prisoner's hand and foot while he is tied to a cross.

In shocking footage which has plumbed to new depths of depravity - even by ISIS's sickening standards - the knife-wielding jihadist is seen slicing off the man's limbs as he hangs helplessly from the wooden stake.

After the barbaric attack, the video then zooms in to show the man's corpse - dressed in an orange Guantanamo-style jumpsuit - hanging lifelessly in the middle of the desert.

Chillingly, the four-minute video even includes a 'confession' with the man before he is executed. The terror group claims it carried out the brutal killing because the man, believed to be from Iraq, was working as a spy.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3127092/ISIS-barbarians-plumb-new-depths-depravity-horrific-video-showing-spy-having-hand-foot-chopped-tied-cross.html
you were saying??

http://theamericanmuslim.org/tam.php/features/articles/quran_533_commentary

Co your article actually tries to justify the punishments based on something subjective, how severe the crimes are.
Also this is Muslims giving their perception to a verse.


There are several points to note here. The first is the gravity of the offense. This is punishment for WAGING WAR against the Prophet of God and spreading evil and destruction. In modern terminology this would be considered “terrorism”. This is a punishment for such a severe offense, hence the severity of the punishment. As Muhammad Asad writes on this verse: The present participle la-musrifun indicates their “continuously committing excesses” (i.e., crimes), and is best rendered as “they go on committing” them. In view of the preceding passages, these “excesses” obviously refer to crimes of violence and, in particular, to the ruthless killing of human beings. (Asad, The Message of the Qur’an)

Like I say that is trying to justify based off the severity of an act the punishment. They are not even refuting committing such punishments.
In the eyes of ISIS they are fighting against those they claim are waging a war on their God. So you can easily take that verse as literally, as the book is finate to Muslims, its the word of God to them.