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Post by Tommy Monk Tue Aug 11, 2015 9:42 pm

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/man-lets-daughter-drown-rather-than-let-strange-men-touch-her-10448008.html



Madness!!!
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Post by Guest Tue Aug 11, 2015 10:30 pm

for once I truely dont know what to say

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Post by eddie Wed Aug 12, 2015 6:05 pm

Sounds to me like his beliefs meant more than his own flesh and blood.
Imagine what her last few moments were like.
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Post by Guest Wed Aug 12, 2015 6:06 pm

eddie wrote:Sounds to me like his beliefs meant more than his own flesh and blood.
Imagine what her last few  moments were like.


Again with literal belief the deity and commands are placed above family.
Which is what I find appalling within religions.

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Post by eddie Wed Aug 12, 2015 6:07 pm

Cuchulain wrote:
eddie wrote:Sounds to me like his beliefs meant more than his own flesh and blood.
Imagine what her last few  moments were like.


Again with literal belief the deity and commands are placed above family.
Which is what I find appalling within religions.

Totally agree

Perhaps Zak can shed some light
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Post by Raggamuffin Wed Aug 12, 2015 6:08 pm

eddie wrote:Sounds to me like his beliefs meant more than his own flesh and blood.
Imagine what her last few  moments were like.

Strictly speaking, he prevented it because of what she meant to him. He thought it would dishonour her to be touched by men.

Weird I know, but there you go ...

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Post by Guest Wed Aug 12, 2015 6:10 pm

eddie wrote:
Cuchulain wrote:


Again with literal belief the deity and commands are placed above family.
Which is what I find appalling within religions.

Totally agree

Perhaps Zak can shed some light



Have asked before to Zack and he places Allah first.

You see this alll the time with homosexuals disowned by their familied for example with religious families, as they are placing their religion over their own children. You even find it if they have left the faith or have converted to a new faith.

Not every believer is like this but you will find it with literal belief and why I view it as so wrong.

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Post by Guest Wed Aug 12, 2015 6:11 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
eddie wrote:Sounds to me like his beliefs meant more than his own flesh and blood.
Imagine what her last few  moments were like.

Strictly speaking, he prevented it because of what she meant to him. He thought it would dishonour her to be touched by men.


exactly ragga.....10 camels and a dozen cows plus a few assorted sheep probably...thats the worth of women in THAT society


Weird I know, but there you go ...


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Post by Raggamuffin Wed Aug 12, 2015 6:12 pm

I think you're missing the point. They're not putting religion before their children, they believe that there are worse things than death for their children.

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Post by Guest Wed Aug 12, 2015 6:14 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:I think you're missing the point. They're not putting religion before their children, they believe that there are worse things than death for their children.



And what are these views based from?

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Post by Raggamuffin Wed Aug 12, 2015 6:15 pm

Cuchulain wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:I think you're missing the point. They're not putting religion before their children, they believe that there are worse things than death for their children.



And what are these views based from?

It doesn't matter what they're based on.

People who commit suicide think there are worse things that death too.
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Post by Raggamuffin Wed Aug 12, 2015 6:16 pm

victorismyhero wrote:


exactly ragga.....10 camels and a dozen cows plus a few assorted sheep probably...thats the worth of women in THAT society


Well he didn't get any camels for her in the end did he?
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Post by Guest Wed Aug 12, 2015 6:17 pm

I'm not missing the point at all....

women have financial value only. Especially daughters....

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Post by Guest Wed Aug 12, 2015 6:18 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Cuchulain wrote:


And what are these views based from?

It doesn't matter what they're based on.

People who commit suicide think there are worse things that death too.


Yes it does matter what they are based on because that is where the belief comes from.
So again I asked, what are these views based on?

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Post by Guest Wed Aug 12, 2015 6:18 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
victorismyhero wrote:


exactly ragga.....10 camels and a dozen cows plus a few assorted sheep probably...thats the worth of women in THAT society


Well he didn't get any camels for her in the end did he?

nope...but you see thats the point...touched by other men to him she is worthless

so he aint bothered if she's dead, at least she wont cost him anymore to keep.......

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Post by Raggamuffin Wed Aug 12, 2015 6:20 pm

victorismyhero wrote:I'm not missing the point at all....

women have financial value only. Especially daughters....

We don't even know where the man was from, only that he was "Asian".

Apparently, he was prosecuted, and it probably happened nearly 20 years ago.
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Post by eddie Wed Aug 12, 2015 6:21 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
victorismyhero wrote:I'm not missing the point at all....

women have financial value only. Especially daughters....

We don't even know where the man was from, only that he was "Asian".

Apparently, he was prosecuted, and it probably happened nearly 20 years ago.

Yes about 1996 the article says
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Post by Guest Wed Aug 12, 2015 6:24 pm

and that mentality doesnt still continue?

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Post by Raggamuffin Wed Aug 12, 2015 6:25 pm

Anyway, there were two men who went to save her. One could have rescued her while the other punched the father.
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Post by eddie Wed Aug 12, 2015 6:27 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:Anyway, there were two men who went to save her. One could have rescued her while the other punched the father.

That's exactly what I'd have suggested or done, had I been one of the men.
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Post by Guest Wed Aug 12, 2015 7:18 pm

Cuchulain wrote:



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Oh and the best argument you will hear against wering the face veil is 21 minutes into the video

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Post by Tommy Monk Wed Aug 12, 2015 8:15 pm

I read the article in a newspaper yesterday...


Not one from 20 years ago... although I'm sure similar incidents have happened over this time.
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Post by eddie Wed Aug 12, 2015 8:42 pm

[u][It is unclear exactly when the incident is alleged to have happened, although one report suggested it dates back as far as 1996./u]


That was at the bottom of the article YOU posted Tommy lol
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Post by Tommy Monk Wed Aug 12, 2015 10:53 pm



I didn't read it in The independent, I read it in another paper and only used the independent link to story because I was busy, it was one of the first ones I found, and I thought would be more acceptable to some on here...


I didn't say I read all of the independent article...


But one report suggests that I did read it all and The claim that it happened years ago is bollocks...


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Post by Raggamuffin Wed Aug 12, 2015 11:01 pm

I wasn't making a particular point about it being a 20-year old incident Tommy, it was just an observation. I'm not sure if they'll be any more info about it after all this time.
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Post by Tommy Monk Wed Aug 12, 2015 11:15 pm

Sorry rags, my last post was a reply to Eddie's post.


I find it hard to believe that a national daily newspaper would print this story as a current incident if it really happened 20 years ago.


This may well have happened very recently and there may well be another very similar incident that happened 20 years ago too...


I only read what I thought was a report of a current event and posted it here as such... the caveat in The independent article saying that one report claims otherwise is hardly conclusive...


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Post by eddie Wed Aug 12, 2015 11:19 pm

Tommy I think it happened in 1996 but the lifeguard guy has only just talked of it?
That's what I understood when I read it?

In any case, it doesn't matter. He still let his daughter die for some stupid religious and misguided reasons.
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Post by Raggamuffin Wed Aug 12, 2015 11:20 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:Sorry rags, my last post was a reply to Eddie's post.


I find it hard to believe that a national daily newspaper would print this story as a current incident if it really happened 20 years ago.


This may well have happened very recently and there may well be another very similar incident that happened 20 years ago too...


I only read what I thought was a report of a current event and posted it here as such... the caveat in The independent article saying that one report claims otherwise is hardly conclusive...



I think this chap, Lt Col Ahmed Burqibah, was recounting some memorable incidents which had happened in his career Tommy, and that one stuck in his mind.
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Post by eddie Wed Aug 12, 2015 11:25 pm

S'what I just said ^^^^^^ lol!
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Post by Raggamuffin Wed Aug 12, 2015 11:26 pm

eddie wrote:S'what I just said ^^^^^^ lol!

Actually, you said he was a lifeguard. Razz
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Post by eddie Wed Aug 12, 2015 11:27 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
eddie wrote:S'what I just said ^^^^^^ lol!

Actually, you said he was a lifeguard. Razz

I sure did Hahahahahahaha couldn't be arsed to read the link again just knew it was someone recounting something lol!
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Post by Tommy Monk Wed Aug 12, 2015 11:33 pm

So it was new news as it was a story about an incident that has only just come to light...!?



It may be a story of an event that happened 20 years ago... no time at all really... as some on here think all British people should be held responsible for the actions of some hundreds of years ago...!


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Post by Raggamuffin Wed Aug 12, 2015 11:34 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:So it was new news as it was a story about an incident that has only just come to light...!?



It may be a story of an event that happened 20 years ago... no time at all really... as some on here think all British people should be held responsible for the actions of some hundreds of years ago...!


lol!



Point taken Tommy. Razz
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Post by eddie Wed Aug 12, 2015 11:35 pm

Yes Tommy. Point taken mate Rolling Eyes
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