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Kids Company closure could cause lasting damage to children – therapists
by Guest Sat Aug 08, 2015 11:32 am
Clinicians say most vulnerable children could be left angry and confused by sudden withdrawal of support after charity’s sudden closure
The abrupt closure of the charity Kids Company is likely to have caused lasting damage to the children in its care and could leave some of them beyond the reach of carers in future, therapists have warned.
Two clinicians – one of whom worked for the charity – said that the most vulnerable children could be left angry and confused by the sudden withdrawal of support.
Kids Company closed its doors on Wednesday night, only a week after an emergency government grant seemed to have secured its immediate future. That followed a row that erupted into the public domain in early July.
“If you have had a parent or carer who has been abusive or let the child down, it is just going to feel as if it is all part of the same thing and the therapy that they have been given will be redundant,” said Emma MacKinnon, a therapist who worked in a Kids Company centre in south London.
“All of their expectations have been confirmed – they are used to adults who let them down. Here, it has happened again. They will just become numb and probably more despairing.”
Marianna Vogt, the head of therapeutic support at childcare firm CarissCreative, agreed, saying that, in general terms, therapists “need to plan a date and speak about the associated fear and feelings. You also need to keep them informed because these children do not understand it.”
She added: “If children do not understand it or hear about the end of their care from the media, they can interpret that any way they want – they may be angry. So many have already internalised that they are bad and not worth anything or loved.”
Vogt said that there was a high likelihood that there were some children now unreachable as a result of Kids Company’s abrupt closure. “Information will help, even the littlest kids deserve information and honesty.”
The row over how the closure came about and who bears responsibility for it rumbles on, with reports surfacing in the Saturday papers that ministers and Whitehall advisers wanted to cut off the public funding in 2014 – but were overruled by Downing Street.
And Batmanghelidjh faced questions on Friday night when Channel 4 News quoted sources close to Stuart Roden, a major financial backer of Kids Company, as saying that he did not withdraw his offer to donate £3m when it emerged that the charity was being investigated by Scotland Yard over allegations of sexual abuse – an apparent contradiction of earlier claims she reportedly made.
It has also been reported that the government was seeking the return of a £3m emergency restructuring grant awarded in late July after it emerged that some of it had been spent on overdue staff wages. The government said that was a breach of the terms of the award, but Batmanghelidjh told the Guardian that the Cabinet Office was aware that the money would be used for that purpose.
In any case, the therapists said, provision should be made in cases such as this to allow time to manage the transition. That, they said, would help avoid repeating the sort of abandonment many of the children have faced in the past.
“The more notice and the more transparency, the better. It would be better to give everyone one last chance to have a session in person and not on the phone,” said Vogt. According to Batmanghelidjh, many of the staff at Kids Company agreed to stay on unpaid after the closure to try to ensure that the children in their care were provided for.
Vogt said that that would help. In general terms, she explained, a phone call would be better than nothing, a last session in person would be very good, and - with a month to prepare, the therapist could manage the transition so that it was not too damaging to the child.
According to MacKinnon, that was not a luxury afforded to Kids Company staff. “We were, in effect, evicted the same day. We had to do very quick referrals. We were very shocked, we couldn’t believe we were doing it.”
She said that that would would not help their children’s resilience because “that is what they are used to. It would confirm their expectations that the world is a rubbish place that will let them down. And here they are, let down again.”
MacKinnon said: “Therapy is about building resilience and getting them to a point where they can help themselves. The idea is to instil hope and belief in someone by having someone who responds to them and believes in them. Gradually, this grows.
“Some of these children, it has taken a long time to get them to a place where they feel that they have a sense that they are worth something. To have this taken away will give them a sense that they are worth nothing.
“If it is going to end like this, there would have to be a long ending process to get them used to the idea. In therapy, endings are really important. Ideally, they would have needed weeks.”
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/aug/08/kids-company-closure-cause-damage-children-therapists
Storing up trouble for the future. Poor kids.
The abrupt closure of the charity Kids Company is likely to have caused lasting damage to the children in its care and could leave some of them beyond the reach of carers in future, therapists have warned.
Two clinicians – one of whom worked for the charity – said that the most vulnerable children could be left angry and confused by the sudden withdrawal of support.
Kids Company closed its doors on Wednesday night, only a week after an emergency government grant seemed to have secured its immediate future. That followed a row that erupted into the public domain in early July.
“If you have had a parent or carer who has been abusive or let the child down, it is just going to feel as if it is all part of the same thing and the therapy that they have been given will be redundant,” said Emma MacKinnon, a therapist who worked in a Kids Company centre in south London.
“All of their expectations have been confirmed – they are used to adults who let them down. Here, it has happened again. They will just become numb and probably more despairing.”
Marianna Vogt, the head of therapeutic support at childcare firm CarissCreative, agreed, saying that, in general terms, therapists “need to plan a date and speak about the associated fear and feelings. You also need to keep them informed because these children do not understand it.”
She added: “If children do not understand it or hear about the end of their care from the media, they can interpret that any way they want – they may be angry. So many have already internalised that they are bad and not worth anything or loved.”
Vogt said that there was a high likelihood that there were some children now unreachable as a result of Kids Company’s abrupt closure. “Information will help, even the littlest kids deserve information and honesty.”
The row over how the closure came about and who bears responsibility for it rumbles on, with reports surfacing in the Saturday papers that ministers and Whitehall advisers wanted to cut off the public funding in 2014 – but were overruled by Downing Street.
And Batmanghelidjh faced questions on Friday night when Channel 4 News quoted sources close to Stuart Roden, a major financial backer of Kids Company, as saying that he did not withdraw his offer to donate £3m when it emerged that the charity was being investigated by Scotland Yard over allegations of sexual abuse – an apparent contradiction of earlier claims she reportedly made.
It has also been reported that the government was seeking the return of a £3m emergency restructuring grant awarded in late July after it emerged that some of it had been spent on overdue staff wages. The government said that was a breach of the terms of the award, but Batmanghelidjh told the Guardian that the Cabinet Office was aware that the money would be used for that purpose.
In any case, the therapists said, provision should be made in cases such as this to allow time to manage the transition. That, they said, would help avoid repeating the sort of abandonment many of the children have faced in the past.
“The more notice and the more transparency, the better. It would be better to give everyone one last chance to have a session in person and not on the phone,” said Vogt. According to Batmanghelidjh, many of the staff at Kids Company agreed to stay on unpaid after the closure to try to ensure that the children in their care were provided for.
Vogt said that that would help. In general terms, she explained, a phone call would be better than nothing, a last session in person would be very good, and - with a month to prepare, the therapist could manage the transition so that it was not too damaging to the child.
According to MacKinnon, that was not a luxury afforded to Kids Company staff. “We were, in effect, evicted the same day. We had to do very quick referrals. We were very shocked, we couldn’t believe we were doing it.”
She said that that would would not help their children’s resilience because “that is what they are used to. It would confirm their expectations that the world is a rubbish place that will let them down. And here they are, let down again.”
MacKinnon said: “Therapy is about building resilience and getting them to a point where they can help themselves. The idea is to instil hope and belief in someone by having someone who responds to them and believes in them. Gradually, this grows.
“Some of these children, it has taken a long time to get them to a place where they feel that they have a sense that they are worth something. To have this taken away will give them a sense that they are worth nothing.
“If it is going to end like this, there would have to be a long ending process to get them used to the idea. In therapy, endings are really important. Ideally, they would have needed weeks.”
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/aug/08/kids-company-closure-cause-damage-children-therapists
Storing up trouble for the future. Poor kids.
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Re: Kids Company closure could cause lasting damage to children – therapists
by Tommy Monk Sat Aug 08, 2015 11:58 am
What a load of bollocks!!!
Where's the £3 million of tax payers money gone, that was only handed out to this 'charity' a few days ago!!!???
Where's the £3 million of tax payers money gone, that was only handed out to this 'charity' a few days ago!!!???
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Re: Kids Company closure could cause lasting damage to children – therapists
by Guest Sat Aug 08, 2015 12:00 pm
You do realise most of these kids have been abused in their lives Tommy, or doesn't that fact bother you, seeing as you are only a pretend human being.
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Re: Kids Company closure could cause lasting damage to children – therapists
by Tommy Monk Sat Aug 08, 2015 12:08 pm
Where is the money Sassy!?
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Re: Kids Company closure could cause lasting damage to children – therapists
by Tommy Monk Sat Aug 08, 2015 12:09 pm
"...Prime Minister David Cameron has defended the government's decision to give charity Kids Company £3m one week before its closure..."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-33822035
Where has this money gone!!!???
Surely it should be handed back!!!???
Or has it just disappeared like all the rest of the money...!?
It's all been a big bloody fraud!!!
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Re: Kids Company closure could cause lasting damage to children – therapists
by Guest Sat Aug 08, 2015 2:44 pm
sassy wrote:Clinicians say most vulnerable children could be left angry and confused by sudden withdrawal of support after charity’s sudden closure
The abrupt closure of the charity Kids Company is likely to have caused lasting damage to the children in its care and could leave some of them beyond the reach of carers in future, therapists have warned.
Two clinicians – one of whom worked for the charity – said that the most vulnerable children could be left angry and confused by the sudden withdrawal of support.
Kids Company closed its doors on Wednesday night, only a week after an emergency government grant seemed to have secured its immediate future. That followed a row that erupted into the public domain in early July.
“If you have had a parent or carer who has been abusive or let the child down, it is just going to feel as if it is all part of the same thing and the therapy that they have been given will be redundant,” said Emma MacKinnon, a therapist who worked in a Kids Company centre in south London.
“All of their expectations have been confirmed – they are used to adults who let them down. Here, it has happened again. They will just become numb and probably more despairing.”
Marianna Vogt, the head of therapeutic support at childcare firm CarissCreative, agreed, saying that, in general terms, therapists “need to plan a date and speak about the associated fear and feelings. You also need to keep them informed because these children do not understand it.”
She added: “If children do not understand it or hear about the end of their care from the media, they can interpret that any way they want – they may be angry. So many have already internalised that they are bad and not worth anything or loved.”
Vogt said that there was a high likelihood that there were some children now unreachable as a result of Kids Company’s abrupt closure. “Information will help, even the littlest kids deserve information and honesty.”
The row over how the closure came about and who bears responsibility for it rumbles on, with reports surfacing in the Saturday papers that ministers and Whitehall advisers wanted to cut off the public funding in 2014 – but were overruled by Downing Street.
And Batmanghelidjh faced questions on Friday night when Channel 4 News quoted sources close to Stuart Roden, a major financial backer of Kids Company, as saying that he did not withdraw his offer to donate £3m when it emerged that the charity was being investigated by Scotland Yard over allegations of sexual abuse – an apparent contradiction of earlier claims she reportedly made.
It has also been reported that the government was seeking the return of a £3m emergency restructuring grant awarded in late July after it emerged that some of it had been spent on overdue staff wages. The government said that was a breach of the terms of the award, but Batmanghelidjh told the Guardian that the Cabinet Office was aware that the money would be used for that purpose.
In any case, the therapists said, provision should be made in cases such as this to allow time to manage the transition. That, they said, would help avoid repeating the sort of abandonment many of the children have faced in the past.
“The more notice and the more transparency, the better. It would be better to give everyone one last chance to have a session in person and not on the phone,” said Vogt. According to Batmanghelidjh, many of the staff at Kids Company agreed to stay on unpaid after the closure to try to ensure that the children in their care were provided for.
Vogt said that that would help. In general terms, she explained, a phone call would be better than nothing, a last session in person would be very good, and - with a month to prepare, the therapist could manage the transition so that it was not too damaging to the child.
According to MacKinnon, that was not a luxury afforded to Kids Company staff. “We were, in effect, evicted the same day. We had to do very quick referrals. We were very shocked, we couldn’t believe we were doing it.”
She said that that would would not help their children’s resilience because “that is what they are used to. It would confirm their expectations that the world is a rubbish place that will let them down. And here they are, let down again.”
MacKinnon said: “Therapy is about building resilience and getting them to a point where they can help themselves. The idea is to instil hope and belief in someone by having someone who responds to them and believes in them. Gradually, this grows.
“Some of these children, it has taken a long time to get them to a place where they feel that they have a sense that they are worth something. To have this taken away will give them a sense that they are worth nothing.
“If it is going to end like this, there would have to be a long ending process to get them used to the idea. In therapy, endings are really important. Ideally, they would have needed weeks.”
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/aug/08/kids-company-closure-cause-damage-children-therapists
Storing up trouble for the future. Poor kids.
What has happened to those children is beyond cruel.
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Re: Kids Company closure could cause lasting damage to children – therapists
by Tommy Monk Sat Aug 08, 2015 6:15 pm
Where's the money gone from last week...!?
£3,000,000!!!!
£3,000,000!!!!
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Re: Kids Company closure could cause lasting damage to children – therapists
by Guest Sat Aug 08, 2015 6:18 pm
Tommy Monk wrote:Where's the money gone from last week...!?
£3,000,000!!!!
Agreed its disgusting.
Does the money meant for those who need it count first above all others, based on geograoy?
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Re: Kids Company closure could cause lasting damage to children – therapists
by eddie Sat Aug 08, 2015 6:46 pm
Tommy Monk wrote:
"...Prime Minister David Cameron has defended the government's decision to give charity Kids Company £3m one week before its closure..."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-33822035
Where has this money gone!!!???
Surely it should be handed back!!!???
Or has it just disappeared like all the rest of the money...!?
It's all been a big bloody fraud!!!
If something fraudulent has taken place, why hasn't it been looked into?
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Re: Kids Company closure could cause lasting damage to children – therapists
by Tommy Monk Sat Aug 08, 2015 9:05 pm
Serious questions remain...
What did this 'company/charity' really actually do!?
They claim to be an essential 'service' for vulnerable and desperate children...
But who did they actually help?
What were the specific types of help did they provide?
How many individuals did they actually help, and how many for each type of help they claimed to be providing?
What areas were they operating in, and why not other areas?
Out of the areas they were operating in, which of these areas didn't already have provisions for child protection services run by local councils and police!?
How much tax payer money has been given to this company/'charity'?
Why?
Why not just give extra funding to existing services if there was a need?
Wouldn't that have been better value as well as more sensible?
How many people were employed by this company/'charity'?
Who?
Under what professional capacity?
How much were they all getting paid?
There have been numerous recent reports of possible quite serious financial irregularities going on... has this been investigated?
Were their accounts and books up to date and in order?
If not, why not, why not being investigated already/sooner?
How much tax payers money have been given to them?
How long for?
How long since any knowledge of possible financial irregularities going on?
Where else have they been getting money given to them from?
From any other govt/council funded bodies/quangos etc?
Why have they just been given another £3,000,000 only last week?
Why have they actually closed only a week after getting this money?
Surely it can't be for lack of money!!!???
Where has this money gone!!!???
If it can't be properly accounted for then people should be getting prosecuted for fraud/embezzlement etc!?
?
What did this 'company/charity' really actually do!?
They claim to be an essential 'service' for vulnerable and desperate children...
But who did they actually help?
What were the specific types of help did they provide?
How many individuals did they actually help, and how many for each type of help they claimed to be providing?
What areas were they operating in, and why not other areas?
Out of the areas they were operating in, which of these areas didn't already have provisions for child protection services run by local councils and police!?
How much tax payer money has been given to this company/'charity'?
Why?
Why not just give extra funding to existing services if there was a need?
Wouldn't that have been better value as well as more sensible?
How many people were employed by this company/'charity'?
Who?
Under what professional capacity?
How much were they all getting paid?
There have been numerous recent reports of possible quite serious financial irregularities going on... has this been investigated?
Were their accounts and books up to date and in order?
If not, why not, why not being investigated already/sooner?
How much tax payers money have been given to them?
How long for?
How long since any knowledge of possible financial irregularities going on?
Where else have they been getting money given to them from?
From any other govt/council funded bodies/quangos etc?
Why have they just been given another £3,000,000 only last week?
Why have they actually closed only a week after getting this money?
Surely it can't be for lack of money!!!???
Where has this money gone!!!???
If it can't be properly accounted for then people should be getting prosecuted for fraud/embezzlement etc!?
?
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Re: Kids Company closure could cause lasting damage to children – therapists
by Tommy Monk Mon Aug 10, 2015 12:45 pm
"...Coldplay members have donated nearly £10million to Kids Company since 2007..."
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3191058/Coldplay-planning-multi-million-pound-bid-rescue-Kids-Company.html
Yet more millions that have disappeared through this company/"charity"... how much more???
And where has all the money gone!!!???
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Re: Kids Company closure could cause lasting damage to children – therapists
by Tommy Monk Mon Aug 10, 2015 1:14 pm
Thanks for that fuzz... but are all the answers to my questions found in those links!?
Also on a different point... I heard a former employee on the radio saying that this "charity" gave money to people on job seekers allowance who turned up and said they had been sanctioned by job centre.
Thought this "charity" was supposed to be helping desperate and vulnerable young children!?
Also on a different point... I heard a former employee on the radio saying that this "charity" gave money to people on job seekers allowance who turned up and said they had been sanctioned by job centre.
Thought this "charity" was supposed to be helping desperate and vulnerable young children!?
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