Over 80% of people arrested for begging were not homeless

by Tommy Monk Fri Jul 31, 2015 5:35 pm

Fewer than one in five people arrested for begging in England and Wales last year were homeless, suggest police figures obtained by BBC Breakfast.
Freedom of information figures from 34 of 43 police forces showed 1,002 people arrested for begging in 2014 - of whom 199 were legally defined as homeless.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-33729766

This inconvenient truth will give the gullible lefties something to think about...!!!

lol!

by Tommy Monk Fri Jul 31, 2015 7:20 pm

Anyone...!?

Laughing

by Guest Fri Jul 31, 2015 7:30 pm

what is the LEGAL DEFINITION of homeless??

by Guest Fri Jul 31, 2015 7:33 pm

as applied by the police

because it seems that whether you are seen as homeless or not is dependant upon your councils whim, rather than any primary legislation

by Tommy Monk Fri Jul 31, 2015 10:24 pm

I suspect that being of 'no fixed abode' would constitute as homeless... however I would also suspect that many of those would also have a place to stay at someone else's places...

by Ben Reilly Fri Jul 31, 2015 10:39 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:I suspect that being of 'no fixed abode' would constitute as homeless... however I would also suspect that many of those would also have a place to stay at someone else's places...

Which is homelessness as defined by British law -- you have to have a place you are entitled to occupy that meets minimum habitability requirements in order to have a home.

I don't know why this should be treated as stunning news, though. For one, the same was just over 1,000 people. The sample only included people arrested for begging, so it can't represent all people who beg in the UK.

Isn't it likely that some people who beg are able to scrape together just enough money to afford housing, but resort to begging to meet other needs?

by Tommy Monk Fri Jul 31, 2015 11:51 pm

What the fuck are you talking about!?

Over 80% of those arrested did have somewhere to live!!!

Others would have had places to stay!

Those who had their own place to live would have been able to claim housing benefits to pay for this home!

Plus entitled to other cash benefits!!!

Even homeless people can claim benefits and have places to get food handouts and shelter places as extras.

The figures suggest most beggars have own homes and subsequent other income in benefits.

by Tommy Monk Sat Aug 01, 2015 10:49 am

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2911249/Beggar-rakes-cash-outside-swanky-Mayfair-restaurant-using-chip-pin-machine-spends-holidays-iPad-whinges-Cowell-gave-20.html

by Guest Sat Aug 01, 2015 11:03 am

I fail to see what point is being made here at all.
Just because 80% are not legally defined as homeless does not mean some people need to beg due to their situation.
Another absurd reasoning again presented by Tommy

by Tommy Monk Sat Aug 01, 2015 11:15 am

Not homeless, not without benefits or other income.

Pretending to be homeless to take advantage of peoples good nature and generosity.

by Guest Sat Aug 01, 2015 11:22 am

Again you seem to think only those legally defined homeless should beg.
That is just plain absurd and again just shows how poor a view is you have of people.
Your view is that if some are cheats this someone how makes the vast majority of those who do need to beg as if they are the same, which is daft. It just further proves that you have a very limited understanding and ethical view of people.

by Tommy Monk Sat Aug 01, 2015 11:33 am

They pretend to be homeless though dodge!!!

lol!

by Guest Sat Aug 01, 2015 11:38 am

Do they?
You see again evidence of your poor sterotypes you place on people because of some who are frauds.

by Tommy Monk Sat Aug 01, 2015 11:42 am

Over 80% of those arrested were not homeless.

And last time I checked, begging is a crime!!!

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=professional+beggar&gbv=2&oq=professional+beggar&gs_l=heirloom-hp.3..0l7j0i22i30l3.3117.6928.0.7967.25.16.2.0.0.1.265.2109.0j5j5.10.0....0...1ac.1.34.heirloom-hp..14.11.1978.bBzlNtawJkM

by Guest Sat Aug 01, 2015 11:44 am

Again some people need to have to beg.
Its wrong that we make it a crime in the first place.
Again your argument here is poor because it is attempting to make out that 80% of those arrested are not destitute based on them not being legally defined as homeless, which again is absurd.

by Tommy Monk Sat Aug 01, 2015 11:53 am

Like this one...!?

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/facing-jail-professional-beggar-who-fleeced-the-public-but-lived-in-300000-house-8704984.html

lol!

by Guest Sat Aug 01, 2015 11:59 am

So two examples is your evidence to condemn and paint all with the same brush?

by Tommy Monk Sat Aug 01, 2015 12:37 pm

The police figures show over 80% are not homeless!!!

by Guest Sat Aug 01, 2015 5:15 pm

Legally not homeless is what it states, which again is irrelevant.

by Tommy Monk Sat Aug 01, 2015 9:11 pm

Not homeless but pretending to be to take advantage of peoples good nature.

by Guest Sat Aug 01, 2015 9:15 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:Not homeless but pretending to be to take advantage of peoples good nature.

Hearsay.

by Tommy Monk Sat Aug 01, 2015 9:42 pm

Articles findings based on police statistics on arrest figures...

by Guest Sat Aug 01, 2015 9:50 pm

Hearsay

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