NEVER forget the child soldiers. Facts & sad images of their fight… (some images may be disturbing)

WARNING: THIS THREAD MAY CONTAIN GRAPHIC IMAGES THAT SOME MAY FIND UPSETTING.


It’s bad enough that children’s lives are torn apart by wars they didn’t start. But when they’re forced into fighting in the conflict themselves, it causes psychological and physical damage that can often never be repaired.
Every child has the right to go to school and to live free from violence. Using kids as soldiers constitutes one of the most horrendous breaches of those rights and it is simply and unequivocally wrong.  James Bjorkman tell us more in his article from his website [url=http://worldwartwo.filminspector.com/search/label/child soldiers]worldwartwo.filminspector.com[/url]
In more ways than one, World War II was the war of the children. They started out cheering, and wound up dying.

Two young German soldiers armed with Panzerfausts (anti-tank weapons) and Mauser rifles, march along Bankowa street in Lubań (Lauban), Lower Silesia. There was fierce fighting there and it was the site of pretty much the last successful German operation of the war. They suffered along with adults during bombings and attack, but they also did some attacking and defending of their own.

Unknown young German anti-aircraft gunner ‘flakhelfer’ on position with devyatikilogrammovym projectile antiaircraft gun 8.8 cm FlaK 18/41 in the German city of Hagen (Hagen). Countless American bombers were shot down by boys like this. These brave boys were out there in the open while the bombs were dropping.

 
Children were actively recruited for various defense purposes throughout the war, not just at the very end. It was the norm for schoolchildren to wind up working alongside their schoolmasters, with the war serving as a king of extracurricular learning experience.

A soldier of the 94th Infantry Division searching two young anti-aircraft gunners who surrendered in Frankenthal, 23 March 1945

 
At that age, it is difficult to question those who are older and who stand as the leaders of your people. Without the experience to make your own assessments as to the validity of a cause or to challenge authority, the tendency is to follow it blindly and whole-heartedly. This tendency to conform to what is asked of you, regardless of deeper issues such as morality, survivability or long-term sustainability, is enhanced by the respect given by all to senior soldiers with shiny medals and lots of gold braid; there is nothing a schoolchild wants more than earned respect. Added to that is the very real understanding that by, for instance, manning a Flak gun, you were defending not only your homeland, but the lives of everyone you loved. Thus, the youngest soldiers were often the most fanatical, and also the ones who were most determined not to give up. The smart German boys, of course, recognized the self-abnegation resulting from their becoming cannon fodder for people who did not have their best interests at heart, and realized that they were only safe after they had surrendered. Still, it took an extreme act of will to ‘give up’ and admit defeat, when such took away all the potential prestige and pathways to success amongst their peers that had been laid out for them by everyone they knew.

German WW2 . Says : ” Youth ( Join ) in Air defense. ” Children manned many anti-aircraft batteries in the major cities, and usually were not asked to do so – they were told to do it as part of their normal routine.

Child soldiers also carried guns and fought. They were actively recruited by some combatants. The Germans were the most active in recruiting children for their Hitler Youth active combat formations such as the 12th SS Hitlerjugend Division. Since most schoolchildren were already manning anti-aircraft guns or performing civil defense duties, it was not quite as much of a leap in Germany as it would have been for children elsewhere.



Children, of course, didn’t know any better and were not ready to make adult choices. While from our perspective they fought for the enemy, it’s possible for many to feel sympathy for them. The peer pressure on them and their lack of perspective doomed them to joining up and dying for nothing. It was heinous of their elders to think that was appropriate for boys of 10, 11, 12 years of age to carry a gun or man a tank. A huge fraction of them wound up dying or being maimed for life.


https://www.warhistoryonline.com/war-articles/never-forget-the-child-soldiers.html


Much more to read on the link.

Better to show this all to reveal the whole story:

This lad, Hans-Georg Henke, thought he had lost everything because he knew of nothing else

Many know of the famous Hitler Youth, led by Baldur von Schirach, and their SS Division. The 12th SS Panzer Division “Hitler Jugend” Hitler Youth Division saved the entire Western Front for Hitler and Rundstedt in August 1944 after the US breakout from Avranches. They prevented the British and Canadians from closing the northern escape route for the German armies fleeing from out of the Mortain pocket, preserving the so-called Falaise gap despite ferocious Commonwealth efforts to close it. Without their efforts, the German defense of the West would have entirely collapsed in 1944. Only a very small fraction of the boys survived, and those that did kept fighting for the remainder of the conflict. Hitler Youth were some of the last defenders of Berlin. Yes, they were fanatics, because they didn’t know any better.

He hadn’t. Hans-Georg Henke – 16 Year Old German soldier crying – now

However, focusing just on the Hitler Youth is misleading. There were children serving on both sides of the conflict, in all armies.

Wounded son of the regiment. Wounded Russian, child soldier, is patched up by a child medic in the field. Among other things, notice how casually the submachine gun is placed (for propaganda purposes of course) and how the nurse doesn’t seem to mind it pointing at her. Try to imagine that happening now.

The Chinese had many boys holding rifles, while the Soviets enlisted them as partisans and spies. Some underage kids snuck into the US and British armed forces.

No, these are not actual soldiers, and this is not comparable to kids carrying actual guns and shooting and being shot. However, indoctrination begins early, and kids are very impressionable. Original caption: ‘New York, New York: Soldiers In Miniature. Decked out in military uniforms featured at the 40th annual Toy Fair, Salvatore Beniti, left, and Craig Smith, both stand at attention before a picture of their hero, General Douglas MacArthur.’ Toys, dolls, play uniforms and picture books took the military forces as their theme, with virtually every bit of war equipment duplicated in miniature.

The US and British Army and Navy recruiters weren’t being too choosy under the circumstances, with the enlistment personnel not checking too closely for absolute age compliance during the darkest days after Pearl Harbour. While some later proudly proclaimed that they had enlisted at age 17, that was not supposed to happen. Boys also manned anti-aircraft and civil defense positions in Great Britain and Germany, downing bombers and fighting fires.

It is incorrect to state that support for using children as soldiers was monolithic or even tolerated by everyone in the German high command, no matter how stringent the exigencies of war. However, they fought anyway. During the Battle of Berlin, for instance, German Nazi national leader (Reichsjugendführer) of the Hitler Youth (Hitlerjugend) Artur Axmann’s forces formed a major part of the last line of German defense. As in Normandy, the children were reportedly among the fiercest fighters.

Young Soviet soldier.

The Berlin city commander, General Helmuth Weidling, ordered Axmann to disband the Hitler Youth combat formations; unfortunately, in the confusion, this order was never carried out. The remnants of the youth brigade took heavy casualties from the advancing Russian forces: only two survived. Axmann? He died of old age in Berlin in 1996.

Hitler Youth being awarded medals, 1943. That’s a touch more realistic than the usual propaganda shots.

Children can fight and die when their elders choose to let them. Those that did should be remembered. They were just kids.

11-year-old “soldier” killed during the Warsaw uprising 1944. Really, what can you say.

1944 – Ten-year-old German boy soldier poses with his Major after their capture in Antwerp, Belgium. Hundreds of other prisoners taken with them march past in background. Since Antwerp was in Allied hands by October 1944, this is proof that child soldiers were serving well before the Reich’s last days.

 

German youth in uniform surrender to Allied troops in Snamont, Belgium. New Years, 1945. They knew nothing but Naziism and no doubt felt it could never end.

A 12-year old Hitler Youth leader receives the Iron Cross, Second Class for combat performance, March 1945. The Iron Cross meant he did… something.

 

The Last of the last in defense of Hitler and the Third Reich. Child “soldiers” caught during the Battle of Berlin, April-May 1945. Most of them were ordered to ditch the uniform and go home. Behind them appears to be a column of their elders headed toward a processing center, these boys must have been pulled out.

Teenage German soldier, who served with the Hitlerjugend division, is taken prisoner by US troops near Forbach (Alsace), March 1945.

 

13-year old Hitler Youth captured by the Allies near Nartinzell, 1945

 

Three 14 year-old German prisoners of war eating rations in front of a group of other POWs, 29 March 1945. The boys were captured by 6th Armoured Division, Third US Army, near Frankfurt-am-Main.

 

13-year-old Soviet Partisan. Nice uniform – too nice. Obvious propaganda shot.

 

World War II – Prisoners of war – 42-35302875 – Rights Managed – Stock Photo – Corbis. Adolescent German prisoners of war – almost children – in an American prison camp shortly after the end of World War II.

 

A Japanese soldier-to-be. They indoctrinated them early. Kids love to play war.

 

A Son of the Regiment wearing Red Star. These sort of mascots fought and died.

 

Boy Red Army soldier serving with front line unit, 1942. The presence of children as young as 12 in Soviet army units was routine. They all received the same weapons and kit as adult soldiers, slightly adjusted for size. This boy is carrying the standard issue PpsH SMG and anti-personnel grenades. His war-fighting abilities remain a mystery, but an artillery shell or bomb will kill him just as surely as the others.

 

A wounded German Hitler Youth. It’s all fun and games until somebody loses an eye.

 

Young scout reports to the commander of the partisan detachment G.V. Gvozdev about the location of the Germans. Undoubtedly a propaganda shot, but accurate.

Propaganda photos make espionage by children look glamorous. Sometimes, it isn’t. Here, a firing squad of the US. Ninth Army executes 16 year old Heinz Petry of Hitler Jugend for espionage, Germany,1945

 

A boy soldier in China during the 1930s

 

Boy soldiers captured at Kronach, Germany by 11th Armoured Division April 25, 1944

Captured German soldier boy, happy to be out of it

 

Child soldier in China ca. 1942

 

Ten-year-old Chinese child-soldier in Burma 1944

 

15-year-old French Legion boy soldier on Eastern Front 1941

 

15-year-old German soldier 1945, Kronach

A partisan takes a trophy STG44 rifle from a dead SS Panzergrenadier. Kids could be the utterly deadliest opponents of all. The STG44 was the newest and deadliest automatic weapon of the war and highly prized, so they took this shot for the memories.

 

Teenagers captured east of the Rhine 1945

Children from the Hitler Youth serving in the German Army at the last stages of WW2. As Germany suffered more casualties, more teens volunteered and were accepted, initially as reserve troops but then as regulars. The German ethic of the boy soldier not only encouraged such service but the Germans even drafted boys as young as 12 into military service. They saw extensive action and were among the fiercest and effective German defenders in Normandy and the Battle of Berlin

 

 


 

The kid appears to be receiving a medal.

 

A propaganda photo that went disastrously wrong, it appears to be a partisan unit.

 

If any one of them survived and could time-travel back to that moment, they’d likely have whipped out their pistol and shot him dead.

 

A young German soldier from the SS-Panzerdivision ‘Hitlerjugend’. Caen, Normandy, June 1944. The unit was decimated, but they held their position and saved their mates, holding open an escape route for 10 German panzer divisions. This one has “the look” – his eyes show that he knows his time is near. And it probably was. All that equipment, incidentally, is quite heavy. German soldier with MG42 machine gun, Caen, France, Jun 1944 Photographer Wilfried Woscidlo Source German Federal Archive

Lest anyone think that these pictures are heroic and the lads are enjoying every moment of their glory, here is one last photo that shows the reality – not the false hype and glamour – of war for children.

This was taken from a movie, it’s a little too … real

The zionist cockroach is spamming like mad I see. 4 posts, no replies. Poor soul.

sassy wrote:The zionist cockroach is spamming like mad I see.  4 posts, no replies.  Poor soul.

Do you have to spoil this thread with your immaturity?


I am posting the whole link, if you have nothing intelligent to say, may I suggest you allow others to post on this instead of having a childish little rant

When I first started looking at forums about 5 years ago I noticed several mentions of the name Sassy. All of them without fail were critical of her saying among other things "this woman is full of hate," "can't believe this woman is so hateful" " she will ruin this forum". Never took much notice till I came on here, but by god I can see what they meant.

Didge, don't know what your thread is about and don't care, because you are a bloody hypocrite, you'd find some excuse for this, the Palestinian children killed in their mother's wombs, IDF so proud of doing it they go round wearing T Shirts boasting about it.

nicko wrote:When I first started looking at forums about 5 years ago I noticed several mentions of the name Sassy.  All of them without fail were critical of her saying  among other things "this woman is full of hate,"  "can't believe this woman is so hateful"  " she will ruin this forum".    Never took much notice till I came on here,  but by god I can see what they meant.

Yado yada yada, frankly Nicko, the kind of people you mix with on forums I'd be appalled if they liked me, I'd be doing something very wrong.

sassy wrote:Didge, don't know what your thread is about and don't care, because you are a bloody hypocrite, you'd find some excuse for this, the Palestinian children killed in their mother's wombs, IDF so proud of doing it they go round wearing T Shirts boasting about it.

Well this is a thread about child soldiers, where you seem to think only Palestinian children matter even though they are used as child soldiers and cannon fooder by the likes of Hamas who place them to defend their weaponary and yet you say nothing about this at every turn.
You see your views are utterly hypocritical and like Nicko says you have a warped hateful view which ignores that children die daily at the hands of far worse regemes. Though because many are Muslim you forego speaking out on this because again of your hypocritical views.
No Palestinian child would be dead today if not for the fact that groups like Hamas and the PLO had accepted Israel. They never did and have waged war on Israel and every turn you ignore this. Tens of thousands of Israeli and Palestinians would be alive today if not for this single fact which you ignore at every turn. On every thread its only about Palestinian children who are brought up to hate the jews, which you ignore. We all saw the Palestinians dancing in the street at 9/11 and other events where people in the west have been killed, but do you speak out against this no?
You just came on here to ruin this debate and this is your last warning. Next time you will be reported as people are getting sick and tired of you thinking you own and run the forum. Wise up you do not and what most people are fed up to the teeth with is your utter hypocrisy.
Millions of children die each year but all you care about is some in the Palestinian territories which would never have suffered if for the Arabs never recognising Israel. You seek only to blame Israel and ignore at every turn its the Arabs that have created and started this hate.

nicko wrote:When I first started looking at forums about 5 years ago I noticed several mentions of the name Sassy.  All of them without fail were critical of her saying  among other things "this woman is full of hate,"  "can't believe this woman is so hateful"  " she will ruin this forum".    Never took much notice till I came on here,  but by god I can see what they meant.

Just ignore it Nicko, she is filled with hate and she always has been, she allows children to be human shields by the likes of Hamas and never condemns this. As seen she deliberately jumped on this thread because I exposed two lies on two threads she created yesterday. That is why she kicked off, as she does not like me exposing lies as she did about the young Palestinians attacking Jews at prayer which she tries to twist around as if they were innocent victims and yet never condemned them throwing rocks at people praying. She also hated me expsing the shame of the harvest being burnt and hence why she is throwing her dummies all over this thread because she wants to be centre of a attention as per usual.

I think she should see a doctor or an hypnotist, go back in time see what happened to her that makes her so hateful.

nicko wrote:When I first started looking at forums about 5 years ago I noticed several mentions of the name Sassy.  All of them without fail were critical of her saying  among other things "this woman is full of hate,"  "can't believe this woman is so hateful"  " she will ruin this forum".    Never took much notice till I came on here,  but by god I can see what they meant.

Well I found it to be quite the opposite. The hate I encountered along with many others came from the RW variety against anyone who had the sheer nerve to question them or counter their rhetoric. I was told by some that they hoped I died in agony. Others against posters were of being accused of being homphobic, running porn site and worse. Some it was just disgusting and all because they didn't like the response coming back so it was down to smearing the posters - just like what is now happening on this thread. So much for moving on then.

Cuchulain wrote:

sassy wrote:Didge, don't know what your thread is about and don't care, because you are a bloody hypocrite, you'd find some excuse for this, the Palestinian children killed in their mother's wombs, IDF so proud of doing it they go round wearing T Shirts boasting about it.

Well this is a thread about child soldiers, where you seem to think only Palestinian children matter even though they are used as child soldiers and cannon fooder by the likes of Hamas who place them to defend their weaponary and yet you say nothing about this at every turn.
You see your views are utterly hypocritical and like Nicko says you have a warped hateful view which ignores that children die daily at the hands of far worse regemes. Though because many are Muslim you forego speaking out on this because again of your hypocritical views.
No Palestinian child would be dead today if not for the fact that groups like Hamas and the PLO had accepted Israel. They never did and have waged war on Israel and every turn you ignore this. Tens of thousands of Israeli and Palestinians would be alive today if not for this single fact which you ignore at every turn. On every thread its only about Palestinian children who are brought up to hate the jews, which you ignore. We all saw the Palestinians dancing in the street at 9/11 and other events where people in the west have been killed, but do you speak out against this no?
You just came on here to ruin this debate and this is your last warning. Next time you will be reported as people are getting sick and tired of you thinking you own and run the forum. Wise up you do not and what most people are fed up to the teeth with is your utter hypocrisy.
Millions of children die each year but all you care about is some in the Palestinian territories which would never have suffered if for the Arabs never recognising Israel. You seek only to blame Israel and ignore at every turn its the Arabs that have created and started this hate.

What an absolute load of rubbish you write here. No-one had condoned the use of children in war but never let the chance go by to try and smear somone just because you don't like their views.

You don't mention anywhere in anything that you have said in that post about the actions of the IDF or the Israeli government in the way that they behave and if someone wants to do what you won't then that's their choice. You just keep defending them using mainly Zionist propaganda to do it so where does that leave you - a hate merchant?

Irn Bru wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:




Well this is a thread about child soldiers, where you seem to think only Palestinian children matter even though they are used as child soldiers and cannon fooder by the likes of Hamas who place them to defend their weaponary and yet you say nothing about this at every turn.
You see your views are utterly hypocritical and like Nicko says you have a warped hateful view which ignores that children die daily at the hands of far worse regemes. Though because many are Muslim you forego speaking out on this because again of your hypocritical views.
No Palestinian child would be dead today if not for the fact that groups like Hamas and the PLO had accepted Israel. They never did and have waged war on Israel and every turn you ignore this. Tens of thousands of Israeli and Palestinians would be alive today if not for this single fact which you ignore at every turn. On every thread its only about Palestinian children who are brought up to hate the jews, which you ignore. We all saw the Palestinians dancing in the street at 9/11 and other events where people in the west have been killed, but do you speak out against this no?
You just came on here to ruin this debate and this is your last warning. Next time you will be reported as people are getting sick and tired of you thinking you own and run the forum. Wise up you do not and what most people are fed up to the teeth with is your utter hypocrisy.
Millions of children die each year but all you care about is some in the Palestinian territories which would never have suffered if for the Arabs never recognising Israel. You seek only to blame Israel and ignore at every turn its the Arabs that have created and started this hate.

What an absolute load of rubbish you write here. No-one had condoned the use of children in war but never let the chance go by to try and smear somone just because you don't like their views.

You don't mention anywhere in anything that you have said in that post about the actions of the IDF or the Israeli government in the way that they behave and if someone wants to do what you won't then that's their choice. You just keep defending them using mainly Zionist propaganda to do it so where does that leave you - a hate merchant?

1) These are the facts, I have asked sassy and yourself to condemn Hamas for using children as human shields and they have in the past trained them as soldiers, which its claimed they are still doing today?

2) Never claimed Israel is not without fault, but lets have some perspective here, the pair of you blatantly ignore the appalling way Hamas calls on is people to stay in their homes after being warned by Israel, abusing the Islamic faith to prey on people's faith by gloryfying martydom. That means they want civiillians to willingly die. This is backed by the fact they build them no bomb shelters for them to have a place to go of safety. How they deliberately fire from civillian areas. All with one intention, to create as many civillians casulties as possible.

3) I though have recognise that Israel has also committed war crimes, in the event of Operation Hannibal.

So no, the pair of you always avoid the major points in regards to Hams

sassy wrote:Didge, don't know what your thread is about and don't care, because you are a bloody hypocrite, you'd find some excuse for this, the Palestinian children killed in their mother's wombs, IDF so proud of doing it they go round wearing T Shirts boasting about it.

I thought you were sympathetic towards children fighting in wars.

Raggamuffin wrote:

sassy wrote:Didge, don't know what your thread is about and don't care, because you are a bloody hypocrite, you'd find some excuse for this, the Palestinian children killed in their mother's wombs, IDF so proud of doing it they go round wearing T Shirts boasting about it.

I thought you were sympathetic towards children fighting in wars.

Then you thought wrong, and I have never been sympathetic to children in wars and have said so on many occasions.  Neither am I sympathetic to regimes that target children in their mother's wombs, or kidnap children, imprison them and abuse them. Or put them in windows blindfolded while they fire around them, or strap them on the front of army vehicles.

No child chould have to fight any wars.
No child should be indoctrinated to hate.
That turns that child to then commit violence and can often lead to their deaths.
So yes I blame those fueling people with hate to commit acts that are likely to get them killed.
Look to the root cause and it always turn backs to those who indoctrinate their young with hate, that leads them to commit criminal and terrorist acts.
Shame on those that abuse these childen with such hate

sassy wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

I thought you were sympathetic towards children fighting in wars.

Then you thought wrong, and I have never been sympathetic to children in wars and have said so on many occasions.  Neither am I sympathetic to regimes that target children in their mother's wombs, or kidnap children, imprison them and abuse them.  Or put them in windows blindfolded while they fire around them, or strap them on the front of army vehicles.

You had a right go at me when I had no sympathy for that boy who beheaded the Syrian chap.

Oh, I think I might have been a bit ambiguous before.

You don't need to look that much further back to find that young boys served in the Britisn military in WWI with a third of the sailors serving in the Royal Navy being boys. Over 100 of them died on board HMS Royal Oak when it was torpedoed and sunk in Scapa Flow. They also served in the Army as well and those that recruited them knew they were underage.

http://www.scotsman.com/lifestyle/heritage/one-in-three-royal-navy-sailors-underage-in-ww1-1-3710871

Raggamuffin wrote:

sassy wrote:

Then you thought wrong, and I have never been sympathetic to children in wars and have said so on many occasions.  Neither am I sympathetic to regimes that target children in their mother's wombs, or kidnap children, imprison them and abuse them.  Or put them in windows blindfolded while they fire around them, or strap them on the front of army vehicles.

You had a right go at me when I had no sympathy for that boy who beheaded the Syrian chap.

Because he was FORCED AND MANIPULATED INTO DOING IT. He was abused, his childhood taken away by others who make him into what he became.

Irn Bru wrote:You don't need to look that much further back to find that young boys served in the Britisn military in WWI with a third of the sailors serving in the Royal Navy being boys. Over 100 of them died on board HMS Royal Oak when it was torpedoed and sunk in Scapa Flow. They also served in the Army as well and those that recruited them knew they were underage.

http://www.scotsman.com/lifestyle/heritage/one-in-three-royal-navy-sailors-underage-in-ww1-1-3710871

Exactly, and if they survived they were lauded for being incredibly brave for serving while underage!

sassy wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

You had a right go at me when I had no sympathy for that boy who beheaded the Syrian chap.

Because he was FORCED AND MANIPULATED INTO DOING IT.  He was abused, his childhood taken away by others who make him into what he became.

Well isn't that what this thread is about? You said you didn't care what it was about, and just accused Didge of being a Zionist cockroach who was spamming.

I don't normally defend Didge obviously, but I don't understand your outburst on this occasion.

Raggamuffin wrote:

sassy wrote:

Because he was FORCED AND MANIPULATED INTO DOING IT.  He was abused, his childhood taken away by others who make him into what he became.

Well isn't that what this thread is about? You said you didn't care what it was about, and just accused Didge of being a Zionist cockroach who was spamming.

I don't normally defend Didge obviously, but I don't understand your outburst on this occasion.

I said I didn't care what it was about BECAUSE I HAVE DIDGE ON IGNORE, and he had a title that was about children being soldiers but he doesn't give a shit about IDF shooting babies in their mother's wombs.

sassy wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Well isn't that what this thread is about? You said you didn't care what it was about, and just accused Didge of being a Zionist cockroach who was spamming.

I don't normally defend Didge obviously, but I don't understand your outburst on this occasion.

I said I didn't care what it was about BECAUSE I HAVE DIDGE ON IGNORE, and he had a title that was about children being soldiers but he doesn't give a shit about IDF shooting babies in their mother's wombs.

Indeed, it is about child soldiers, which you were very passionate before - in your defence of them. If you have him on ignore, why did you say anything in the first place? The pictures he posted were nothing to do with the IDF shooting babies.

Cuchulain wrote:

Irn Bru wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:




Well this is a thread about child soldiers, where you seem to think only Palestinian children matter even though they are used as child soldiers and cannon fooder by the likes of Hamas who place them to defend their weaponary and yet you say nothing about this at every turn.
You see your views are utterly hypocritical and like Nicko says you have a warped hateful view which ignores that children die daily at the hands of far worse regemes. Though because many are Muslim you forego speaking out on this because again of your hypocritical views.
No Palestinian child would be dead today if not for the fact that groups like Hamas and the PLO had accepted Israel. They never did and have waged war on Israel and every turn you ignore this. Tens of thousands of Israeli and Palestinians would be alive today if not for this single fact which you ignore at every turn. On every thread its only about Palestinian children who are brought up to hate the jews, which you ignore. We all saw the Palestinians dancing in the street at 9/11 and other events where people in the west have been killed, but do you speak out against this no?
You just came on here to ruin this debate and this is your last warning. Next time you will be reported as people are getting sick and tired of you thinking you own and run the forum. Wise up you do not and what most people are fed up to the teeth with is your utter hypocrisy.
Millions of children die each year but all you care about is some in the Palestinian territories which would never have suffered if for the Arabs never recognising Israel. You seek only to blame Israel and ignore at every turn its the Arabs that have created and started this hate.

What an absolute load of rubbish you write here. No-one had condoned the use of children in war but never let the chance go by to try and smear somone just because you don't like their views.

You don't mention anywhere in anything that you have said in that post about the actions of the IDF or the Israeli government in the way that they behave and if someone wants to do what you won't then that's their choice. You just keep defending them using mainly Zionist propaganda to do it so where does that leave you - a hate merchant?

1) These are the facts, I have asked sassy and yourself to condemn Hamas for using children as human shields and they have in the past trained them as soldiers, which its claimed they are still doing today?

2) Never claimed Israel is not without fault, but lets have some perspective here, the pair of you blatantly ignore the appalling way Hamas calls on is people to stay in their homes after being warned by Israel, abusing the Islamic faith to prey on people's faith by gloryfying martydom. That means they want civiillians to willingly die. This is backed by the fact they build them no bomb shelters for them to have a place to go of safety. How they deliberately fire from civillian areas. All with one intention, to create as many civillians casulties as possible.

3) I though have recognise that Israel has also committed war crimes, in the event of Operation Hannibal.

So no, the pair of you always avoid the major points in regards to Hams

You couldn't bring yourself to condemn or show disgust a the English who collaborated with the Nazi's in WWII so that makes you a Nazi sympethiser for people who helped murder millions of people so that's a fact as well.

No-one has ever condoned the alledged use of children by either Hamas or the IDF and unless you can prove that they have then your FACTS are a load of rubbish.

So your a Nazi then - right?

How did Britain let 250.000 underage soldiers fight in WWI?

Here's why...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/guides/zcvdhyc#orb-banner

Irn Bru wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:

1) These are the facts, I have asked sassy and yourself to condemn Hamas for using children as human shields and they have in the past trained them as soldiers, which its claimed they are still doing today?

2) Never claimed Israel is not without fault, but lets have some perspective here, the pair of you blatantly ignore the appalling way Hamas calls on is people to stay in their homes after being warned by Israel, abusing the Islamic faith to prey on people's faith by gloryfying martydom. That means they want civiillians to willingly die. This is backed by the fact they build them no bomb shelters for them to have a place to go of safety. How they deliberately fire from civillian areas. All with one intention, to create as many civillians casulties as possible.

3) I though have recognise that Israel has also committed war crimes, in the event of Operation Hannibal.

So no, the pair of you always avoid the major points in regards to Hams

You couldn't bring yourself to condemn or show disgust a the English who collaborated with the Nazi's in WWII so that makes you a Nazi sympethiser for people who helped murder millions of people so that's a fact as well.

No-one has ever condoned the alledged use of children by either Hamas or the IDF and unless you can prove that they have then your FACTS are a load of rubbish.

So your a Nazi then - right?

1) Deflection from the points raised again proving my point how they are avoided.
2) Poor accusations made in an attempt to deflect the questions posed which still remain unanswered.

Cuchulain wrote:

Irn Bru wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:

1) These are the facts, I have asked sassy and yourself to condemn Hamas for using children as human shields and they have in the past trained them as soldiers, which its claimed they are still doing today?

2) Never claimed Israel is not without fault, but lets have some perspective here, the pair of you blatantly ignore the appalling way Hamas calls on is people to stay in their homes after being warned by Israel, abusing the Islamic faith to prey on people's faith by gloryfying martydom. That means they want civiillians to willingly die. This is backed by the fact they build them no bomb shelters for them to have a place to go of safety. How they deliberately fire from civillian areas. All with one intention, to create as many civillians casulties as possible.

3) I though have recognise that Israel has also committed war crimes, in the event of Operation Hannibal.

So no, the pair of you always avoid the major points in regards to Hams

You couldn't bring yourself to condemn or show disgust a the English who collaborated with the Nazi's in WWII so that makes you a Nazi sympethiser for people who helped murder millions of people so that's a fact as well.

No-one has ever condoned the alledged use of children by either Hamas or the IDF and unless you can prove that they have then your FACTS are a load of rubbish.

So your a Nazi then - right?

1) Deflection from the points raised again proving my point how they are avoided.
2) Poor accusations made in an attempt to deflect the questions posed which still remain unanswered.

No it isn't. It's the same logic. You're a Nazi sympethiser because you wouldn't condemn or show disgust at those who colaborated with them. A regime that murdered millions and you just wouldn't do it.

Irn Bru wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:


1) Deflection from the points raised again proving my point how they are avoided.
2) Poor accusations made in an attempt to deflect the questions posed which still remain unanswered.

No it isn't. It's the same logic. You're a Nazi sympethiser because you wouldn't condemn or show disgust at those who colaborated with them. A regime that murdered millions and you just wouldn't do it.

1) Deflection from the points raised again proving my point how they are avoided.
2) Poor accusations made in an attempt to deflect the questions posed which still remain unanswered
3) The point on the English was asked based off Irish ethnicity. This went above the head of course as how would most Irish view the English, whether colloboratting with the Nazi's or not? It was a trick point you missed I will wait for that to sink in which was the reason it was asked in regards to Irish ethnicity. As British I clearly condemn those English traitors who colloborated wuth the Nazi's, but that was not asked within the question parameters.
4) As seen you refuse to answer my points and try to deflect this away from answering in an attempt to deflect away from Hamas being bad, by introducing Nazism. In an attempt to make out the other poster sympathised with much worse. As seen its a deflection from answering no matter if Irn you believed I was, that does not excuse you from condemning Hamas on the points I raised.
5) So your deflection has failed, you have me condemning them, which should have never stopped you condemning Hamas
So again:

1) These are the facts, I have asked sassy and yourself to condemn Hamas for using children as human shields and they have in the past trained them as soldiers, which its claimed they are still doing today?

2) Never claimed Israel is not without fault, but lets have some perspective here, the pair of you blatantly ignore the appalling way Hamas calls on is people to stay in their homes after being warned by Israel, abusing the Islamic faith to prey on people's faith by gloryfying martydom. That means they want civiillians to willingly die. This is backed by the fact they build them no bomb shelters for them to have a place to go of safety. How they deliberately fire from civillian areas. All with one intention, to create as many civillians casulties as possible.

3) I though have recognise that Israel has also committed war crimes, in the event of Operation Hannibal.

So no, the pair of you always avoid the major points in regards to Hams


Goodnight Irn but as seen you continue to make some of the worst debates going with your poor attempts to constantly deflect. I am really not going to waste much more time even bothering with you as you are not a challenge as you onced used to be. I used to enjoy our bouts, now that are boring with little debate but measuring dicks


All the best but I doubt we are going to converse much anymore

Cuchulain wrote:

Irn Bru wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:


1) Deflection from the points raised again proving my point how they are avoided.
2) Poor accusations made in an attempt to deflect the questions posed which still remain unanswered.

No it isn't. It's the same logic. You're a Nazi sympethiser because you wouldn't condemn or show disgust at those who colaborated with them. A regime that murdered millions and you just wouldn't do it.

1) Deflection from the points raised again proving my point how they are avoided.
2) Poor accusations made in an attempt to deflect the questions posed which still remain unanswered
3) The point on the English was asked based off Irish ethnicity. This went above the head of course as how would most Irish view the English, whether colloboratting with the Nazi's or not? It was a trick point you missed I will wait for that to sink in which was the reason it was asked in regards to Irish ethnicity. As British I clearly condemn those English traitors who colloborated wuth the Nazi's, but that was not asked within the question parameters.
4) As seen you refuse to answer my points and try to deflect this away from answering in an attempt to deflect away from Hamas being bad, by introducing Nazism. In an attempt to make out the other poster sympathised with much worse. As seen its a deflection from answering no matter if Irn you believed I was, that does not excuse you from condemning Hamas on the points I raised.
5) So your deflection has failed, you have me condemning them, which should have never stopped you condemning Hamas
So again:

1) These are the facts, I have asked sassy and yourself to condemn Hamas for using children as human shields and they have in the past trained them as soldiers, which its claimed they are still doing today?

2) Never claimed Israel is not without fault, but lets have some perspective here, the pair of you blatantly ignore the appalling way Hamas calls on is people to stay in their homes after being warned by Israel, abusing the Islamic faith to prey on people's faith by gloryfying martydom. That means they want civiillians to willingly die. This is backed by the fact they build them no bomb shelters for them to have a place to go of safety. How they deliberately fire from civillian areas. All with one intention, to create as many civillians casulties as possible.

3) I though have recognise that Israel has also committed war crimes, in the event of Operation Hannibal.

So no, the pair of you always avoid the major points in regards to Hams


Goodnight Irn but as seen you continue to make some of the worst debates going with your poor attempts to constantly deflect. I am really not goping to waste much more time even bothering with you as you are not a challenge as you onced used to be.

All the best.

Sorry but your ethnicity has nothing to do with your inability to condemn or show disgust at the Nazi collaborators. You are English and there was nothing stopping you to do it but you wouldn't despite being asked several times to do so.

So by your logic you are a Nazi sympethiser for an ideology that murdered millions of people in the most disgusting way possible.

Keep avoiding all you want but it doesn't wash. By your logic you are a Nazi sympethiser and the board snitch as well.

Irn Bru wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:

1) Deflection from the points raised again proving my point how they are avoided.
2) Poor accusations made in an attempt to deflect the questions posed which still remain unanswered
3) The point on the English was asked based off Irish ethnicity. This went above the head of course as how would most Irish view the English, whether colloboratting with the Nazi's or not? It was a trick point you missed I will wait for that to sink in which was the reason it was asked in regards to Irish ethnicity. As British I clearly condemn those English traitors who colloborated wuth the Nazi's, but that was not asked within the question parameters.
4) As seen you refuse to answer my points and try to deflect this away from answering in an attempt to deflect away from Hamas being bad, by introducing Nazism. In an attempt to make out the other poster sympathised with much worse. As seen its a deflection from answering no matter if Irn you believed I was, that does not excuse you from condemning Hamas on the points I raised.
5) So your deflection has failed, you have me condemning them, which should have never stopped you condemning Hamas
So again:

1) These are the facts, I have asked sassy and yourself to condemn Hamas for using children as human shields and they have in the past trained them as soldiers, which its claimed they are still doing today?

2) Never claimed Israel is not without fault, but lets have some perspective here, the pair of you blatantly ignore the appalling way Hamas calls on is people to stay in their homes after being warned by Israel, abusing the Islamic faith to prey on people's faith by gloryfying martydom. That means they want civiillians to willingly die. This is backed by the fact they build them no bomb shelters for them to have a place to go of safety. How they deliberately fire from civillian areas. All with one intention, to create as many civillians casulties as possible.

3) I though have recognise that Israel has also committed war crimes, in the event of Operation Hannibal.

So no, the pair of you always avoid the major points in regards to Hams


Goodnight Irn but as seen you continue to make some of the worst debates going with your poor attempts to constantly deflect. I am really not goping to waste much more time even bothering with you as you are not a challenge as you onced used to be.

All the best.

Sorry but your ethnicity has nothing to do with your inability to condemn or show disgust at the Nazi collaborators. You are English and there was nothing stopping you to do it but you wouldn't despite being asked several times to do so.

So by your logic you are a Nazi sympethiser for an ideology that murdered millions of people in the most disgusting way possible.

Keep avoiding all you want but it doesn't wash. By your logic you are a Nazi sympethiser and the board snitch as well.

So now you are telling me what identity I have to be now, not what I want to identify myself by
I have condemned them as seen in the last post. The point on Irish has still gone above your head, hence why it was replied to within your question and you still have not figured out how asking that of someone in  regards to an Irish identity.

So one last time:

1) Deflection from the points raised again proving my point how they are avoided.
2) Poor accusations made in an attempt to deflect the questions posed which still remain unanswered
3) The point on the English was asked based off Irish ethnicity. This went above the head of course as how would most Irish view the English, whether colloboratting with the Nazi's or not? It was a trick point you missed I will wait for that to sink in which was the reason it was asked in regards to Irish ethnicity. As British I clearly condemn those English traitors who colloborated wuth the Nazi's, but that was not asked within the question parameters.
4) As seen you refuse to answer my points and try to deflect this away from answering in an attempt to deflect away from Hamas being bad, by introducing Nazism. In an attempt to make out the other poster sympathised with much worse. As seen its a deflection from answering no matter if Irn you believed I was, that does not excuse you from condemning Hamas on the points I raised.
5) So your deflection has failed, you have me condemning them, which should have never stopped you condemning Hamas
So again:

1) These are the facts, I have asked sassy and yourself to condemn Hamas for using children as human shields and they have in the past trained them as soldiers, which its claimed they are still doing today?

2) Never claimed Israel is not without fault, but lets have some perspective here, the pair of you blatantly ignore the appalling way Hamas calls on is people to stay in their homes after being warned by Israel, abusing the Islamic faith to prey on people's faith by gloryfying martydom. That means they want civiillians to willingly die. This is backed by the fact they build them no bomb shelters for them to have a place to go of safety. How they deliberately fire from civillian areas. All with one intention, to create as many civillians casulties as possible.

3) I though have recognise that Israel has also committed war crimes, in the event of Operation Hannibal.

So no, the pair of you always avoid the major points in regards to Hams





If you fail to answer this time, then I have my evidence.

Not going to drag a dead horse as you continually like to do.

Cuchulain wrote:

Irn Bru wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:

1) Deflection from the points raised again proving my point how they are avoided.
2) Poor accusations made in an attempt to deflect the questions posed which still remain unanswered
3) The point on the English was asked based off Irish ethnicity. This went above the head of course as how would most Irish view the English, whether colloboratting with the Nazi's or not? It was a trick point you missed I will wait for that to sink in which was the reason it was asked in regards to Irish ethnicity. As British I clearly condemn those English traitors who colloborated wuth the Nazi's, but that was not asked within the question parameters.
4) As seen you refuse to answer my points and try to deflect this away from answering in an attempt to deflect away from Hamas being bad, by introducing Nazism. In an attempt to make out the other poster sympathised with much worse. As seen its a deflection from answering no matter if Irn you believed I was, that does not excuse you from condemning Hamas on the points I raised.
5) So your deflection has failed, you have me condemning them, which should have never stopped you condemning Hamas
So again:

1) These are the facts, I have asked sassy and yourself to condemn Hamas for using children as human shields and they have in the past trained them as soldiers, which its claimed they are still doing today?

2) Never claimed Israel is not without fault, but lets have some perspective here, the pair of you blatantly ignore the appalling way Hamas calls on is people to stay in their homes after being warned by Israel, abusing the Islamic faith to prey on people's faith by gloryfying martydom. That means they want civiillians to willingly die. This is backed by the fact they build them no bomb shelters for them to have a place to go of safety. How they deliberately fire from civillian areas. All with one intention, to create as many civillians casulties as possible.

3) I though have recognise that Israel has also committed war crimes, in the event of Operation Hannibal.

So no, the pair of you always avoid the major points in regards to Hams


Goodnight Irn but as seen you continue to make some of the worst debates going with your poor attempts to constantly deflect. I am really not goping to waste much more time even bothering with you as you are not a challenge as you onced used to be.

All the best.

Sorry but your ethnicity has nothing to do with your inability to condemn or show disgust at the Nazi collaborators. You are English and there was nothing stopping you to do it but you wouldn't despite being asked several times to do so.

So by your logic you are a Nazi sympethiser for an ideology that murdered millions of people in the most disgusting way possible.

Keep avoiding all you want but it doesn't wash. By your logic you are a Nazi sympethiser and the board snitch as well.

So now you are telling me what identity I have to be now, not what I want to identify myself by
I have condemned them as seen in the last post. The point on Irish has still gone above your head, hence why it was replied to within your question and you still have not figured out how asking that of someone in  regards to an Irish identity.

So one last time:

1) Deflection from the points raised again proving my point how they are avoided.
2) Poor accusations made in an attempt to deflect the questions posed which still remain unanswered
3) The point on the English was asked based off Irish ethnicity. This went above the head of course as how would most Irish view the English, whether colloboratting with the Nazi's or not? It was a trick point you missed I will wait for that to sink in which was the reason it was asked in regards to Irish ethnicity. As British I clearly condemn those English traitors who colloborated wuth the Nazi's, but that was not asked within the question parameters.
4) As seen you refuse to answer my points and try to deflect this away from answering in an attempt to deflect away from Hamas being bad, by introducing Nazism. In an attempt to make out the other poster sympathised with much worse. As seen its a deflection from answering no matter if Irn you believed I was, that does not excuse you from condemning Hamas on the points I raised.
5) So your deflection has failed, you have me condemning them, which should have never stopped you condemning Hamas
So again:

1) These are the facts, I have asked sassy and yourself to condemn Hamas for using children as human shields and they have in the past trained them as soldiers, which its claimed they are still doing today?

2) Never claimed Israel is not without fault, but lets have some perspective here, the pair of you blatantly ignore the appalling way Hamas calls on is people to stay in their homes after being warned by Israel, abusing the Islamic faith to prey on people's faith by gloryfying martydom. That means they want civiillians to willingly die. This is backed by the fact they build them no bomb shelters for them to have a place to go of safety. How they deliberately fire from civillian areas. All with one intention, to create as many civillians casulties as possible.

3) I though have recognise that Israel has also committed war crimes, in the event of Operation Hannibal.

So no, the pair of you always avoid the major points in regards to Hams





If you fail to answer this time, then I have my evidence.

Not going to drag a dead horse as you continually like to do.

No one on here has condoned or supported the use of children in any war and unless you can come up with some evidence that they have then your allegations are nothing more than the smear tactics that you use when you are faced with people who post what you don't like or where you are challenged.

Sorry but this post of yours is just more drivel and diversion in an attempt to weasel out of the situation you have created for yourself. You had the chance multiple times to show your disgust and condemn the Nazi collborators but you wouldn't do it and this attempt now has come too late and is nothing more than what I would expect from a little snitch who has finally cornered himself with nowhere else to run.
It's pathetic and disgusting and if those 10,000 or so Irish soldiers including you family members who you claim fought against that evil regime had seen how you behaved in that sitution they would have disowned you for bringing shame on the family.

Hang your head in shame - you have disgraced them.

Note: Enjoy the golf with the MD - maybe see you around later tonight

Irn Bru wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:

So now you are telling me what identity I have to be now, not what I want to identify myself by
I have condemned them as seen in the last post. The point on Irish has still gone above your head, hence why it was replied to within your question and you still have not figured out how asking that of someone in  regards to an Irish identity.

So one last time:

1) Deflection from the points raised again proving my point how they are avoided.
2) Poor accusations made in an attempt to deflect the questions posed which still remain unanswered
3) The point on the English was asked based off Irish ethnicity. This went above the head of course as how would most Irish view the English, whether colloboratting with the Nazi's or not? It was a trick point you missed I will wait for that to sink in which was the reason it was asked in regards to Irish ethnicity. As British I clearly condemn those English traitors who colloborated wuth the Nazi's, but that was not asked within the question parameters.
4) As seen you refuse to answer my points and try to deflect this away from answering in an attempt to deflect away from Hamas being bad, by introducing Nazism. In an attempt to make out the other poster sympathised with much worse. As seen its a deflection from answering no matter if Irn you believed I was, that does not excuse you from condemning Hamas on the points I raised.
5) So your deflection has failed, you have me condemning them, which should have never stopped you condemning Hamas
So again:

1) These are the facts, I have asked sassy and yourself to condemn Hamas for using children as human shields and they have in the past trained them as soldiers, which its claimed they are still doing today?

2) Never claimed Israel is not without fault, but lets have some perspective here, the pair of you blatantly ignore the appalling way Hamas calls on is people to stay in their homes after being warned by Israel, abusing the Islamic faith to prey on people's faith by gloryfying martydom. That means they want civiillians to willingly die. This is backed by the fact they build them no bomb shelters for them to have a place to go of safety. How they deliberately fire from civillian areas. All with one intention, to create as many civillians casulties as possible.

3) I though have recognise that Israel has also committed war crimes, in the event of Operation Hannibal.

So no, the pair of you always avoid the major points in regards to Hams





If you fail to answer this time, then I have my evidence.

Not going to drag a dead horse as you continually like to do.

No one on here has condoned or supported the use of children in any war and unless you can come up with some evidence that they have then your allegations are nothing more than the smear tactics that you use when you are faced with people who post what you don't like or where you are challenged.

Sorry but this post of yours is just more drivel and diversion in an attempt to weasel out of the situation you have created for yourself. You had the chance multiple times to show your disgust and condemn the Nazi collborators but you wouldn't do it and this attempt now has come too late and is nothing more than what I would expect from a little snitch who has finally cornered himself with nowhere else to run.
It's pathetic and disgusting and if those 10,000 or so Irish soldiers including you family members who you claim fought against that evil regime had seen how you behaved in that sitution they would have disowned you for bringing shame on the family.

Hang your head in shame - you have disgraced them.

Note: Enjoy the golf with the MD - maybe see you around later tonight

So yet more poor deflections and trying every feeble attempt to get out of the points raised, using Nazism, which has only one connection to the points here and that was the involvement of the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem.
Again you still fail to grasp the Irish point which I find very enjoyable actually.
You do realise my Irish GrandFather who served in the Battleaxe division was classed as a traitor for joinging the British army to fight in their cause not Irelands. I Am very proud of his service and do not see him as a traitor at all, which is giving you some more clues as to what has gone so far above your head. I am very proud of the service and sacrifice that the British did in World War 2, which is why you are still utterly confused at me throwing in the Irish ethnic part to traitors. Its really making me chuckle now. So believe what you like Irn, your views are abouty as relevant as Tony Blairs.
What has been proved though is that you avoid points raised to you and use the worst deflection tactics possible.

The tactic of the left when faced with difficult points is to constantly do this:




Like I say, I have no need to say anything more, you have exposed yourself yet again and like I say I am not going to waste my time engaging in discussions with you until you learn to debate.

All the best
Like I say it used to be interesting debating you but now I place your ability to debate on a par with the God squad

What was the point of this thread?
I don't think anyone sees child soldiers as a positive thing
Saw the warning so didn't read on
So, did it have a point? 2 sentences or less please

Nems wrote:What was the point of this thread?
I don't think anyone sees child soldiers as a positive thing
Saw the warning so didn't read on
So, did it have a point? 2 sentences or less please

Sorry nems I did want it to be a thread about the actual topic, but others jumped in spoiling for a fight and sadly I allowed myself to get caught up in this. So my apologies because I wanted to have a discussion on the topic from a historical point through conflicts, which still happens today.

Cuchulain wrote:

Nems wrote:What was the point of this thread?
I don't think anyone sees child soldiers as a positive thing
Saw the warning so didn't read on
So, did it have a point? 2 sentences or less please

Sorry nems I did want it to be a thread about the actual topic, but others jumped in spoiling for a fight and sadly I allowed myself to get caught up in this. So my apologies because I wanted to have a discussion on the topic from a historical point through conflicts, which still happens today.

It does Didge, which doesn't say much for mankind does it?