Can you prescribe nature?

by Guest Fri Jul 10, 2015 4:48 pm

"Here's your prescription, walk in the forest five times a week for an hour." According to experts, it is not inconceivable that doctors will be giving health advice like this in the not too distant future. After decades of research, the scientific world is moving closer to pinpointing how exposure to nature seems to promote well-being. A recent US study found that being close to nature might soothe the mind by reducing rumination - when negative thoughts get stuck on repeat, playing over and over in the mind.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-33368691

by eddie Fri Jul 10, 2015 4:51 pm

That's pretty much what GPs do when they run out of ideas.

by Eilzel Fri Jul 10, 2015 4:58 pm

Cuchulain wrote:"Here's your prescription, walk in the forest five times a week for an hour." According to experts, it is not inconceivable that doctors will be giving health advice like this in the not too distant future. After decades of research, the scientific world is moving closer to pinpointing how exposure to nature seems to promote well-being. A recent US study found that being close to nature might soothe the mind by reducing rumination - when negative thoughts get stuck on repeat, playing over and over in the mind.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-33368691

They should be careful with that. Lord Carnarvon was advised to travel to sunnier climes when in ill health in 1922 and flew off to Egypt- where he was struck down by King Tut's curse/an infected mosquito bite a year later. Blasted nature Sad

by Guest Fri Jul 10, 2015 5:00 pm

Seems like this a new idea, which helps those with mental illnesses.
Seems very interesting, where such illnesses are so difficult to treat Eddie.

by Guest Fri Jul 10, 2015 5:18 pm

Eilzel wrote:
Cuchulain wrote:"Here's your prescription, walk in the forest five times a week for an hour." According to experts, it is not inconceivable that doctors will be giving health advice like this in the not too distant future. After decades of research, the scientific world is moving closer to pinpointing how exposure to nature seems to promote well-being. A recent US study found that being close to nature might soothe the mind by reducing rumination - when negative thoughts get stuck on repeat, playing over and over in the mind.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-33368691

They should be careful with that. Lord Carnarvon was advised to travel to sunnier climes when in ill health in 1922 and flew off to Egypt- where he was struck down by King Tut's curse/an infected mosquito bite a year later. Blasted nature

Which is a fair point.
Now here is something that will get the conspiracy theorists eyebrows raising mate. There is a claim that Howard Carter and Lord Carnavon both entered the tomb of King Tut before its known official opening, taking some items. There is correspondence from the time that claim at the time Howard Carter threatening the British Government with revealing to the world a paypari that showed an account of the exodus of the Israelite's from Egypt. Except this version was different from the bible and he threatened to reveal its secrets. As there was already tension with the British plans in Palestine, the revelation at the time would have been explosive causing huge problems in the British Mandate.

Of course it could have all been bluff, just to ensure Carter was kept on with the excavation and cataloging the items from the tomb, No paypari has ever materialized to this date, which would be the question if it ever did exist. Though who knows. The events are recorded in the memories of Lee Keedrick a British official.

It is an interesting conspiracy, one that lacks the vital evidence of course, but it is also an interesting point of history due to the events at the time. Who knows really if it was just a bluff or if it actually exists for real. I keep an open mind on this where just interesting to know either way if it was a bluff or the paypari is for real. If the later it would certainly shake of the bible. There is of course the problem also why he just chose to pick the paypari when he first entered the tomb out of all the treasures. Why that and not something gold, as how could he have time to translate it to know its contents the first time they entered the tomb, he would not have had time I guess?

The story is found in a book called The exodus conspiracy. Which I intend to research more to see how accurate the claim is in regards to the correspondence.

by Eilzel Fri Jul 10, 2015 5:26 pm

Sounds fascinating, if a little unlikely (Tut wasn't really such an important King, and depending on when exactly the Exodus story takes place in Egyptian history it may not have even 'happened' (if it happened, a further mystery) by the time Tut died). However I'll definitely do some web reading on that one tomorrow :-)

by Eilzel Fri Jul 10, 2015 5:26 pm

Anyways back on subject, my apologies lol

by Guest Fri Jul 10, 2015 5:35 pm

Eilzel wrote:Sounds fascinating, if a little unlikely (Tut wasn't really such an important King, and depending on when exactly the Exodus story takes place in Egyptian history it may not have even 'happened' (if it happened, a further mystery) by the time Tut died). However I'll definitely do some web reading on that one tomorrow :-)

True, but his reign came at the end of a known heretic period in Egypt, the Amarna period ruled by Akhenaten, then by Smenkhkare. This was the time of the Aten in Egypt, the period where we have the first real monotheism. King Tut reversed the banning of the other gods. You have the situation for where the Aten followers were kicked out of Egypt. It is very well believed that Hebrews may have well influenced this religion. You then have these followers kicked out led by an Egyptian Priest of the Aten. So it hypothesis that this Moses was Eygptian and the founding of their faith would would be the Aten and Egyptian religion, that then formed in Israel later.
Again lots of speculation but very interesting.

by Guest Fri Jul 10, 2015 5:35 pm

Eilzel wrote:Anyways back on subject, my apologies lol

Sorry mate, you are right back to topic

by Guest Fri Jul 10, 2015 7:27 pm

Cuchulain wrote:
Eilzel wrote:

They should be careful with that. Lord Carnarvon was advised to travel to sunnier climes when in ill health in 1922 and flew off to Egypt- where he was struck down by King Tut's curse/an infected mosquito bite a year later. Blasted nature

Which is a fair point.
Now here is something that will get the conspiracy theorists eyebrows raising mate. There is a claim that Howard Carter and Lord Carnavon both entered the tomb of King Tut before its known official opening, taking some items. There is correspondence from the time that claim at the time Howard Carter threatening the British Government with revealing to the world a paypari that showed an account of the exodus of the Israelite's from Egypt. Except this version was different from the bible and he threatened to reveal its secrets. As there was already tension with the British plans in Palestine, the revelation at the time would have been explosive causing huge problems in the British Mandate.

Of course it could have all been bluff, just to ensure Carter was kept on with the excavation and cataloging the items from the tomb, No paypari has ever materialized to this date, which would be the question if it ever did exist. Though who knows. The events are recorded in the memories of Lee Keedrick a British official.

It is an interesting conspiracy, one that lacks the vital evidence of course, but it is also an interesting point of history due to the events at the time. Who knows really if it was just a bluff or if it actually exists for real. I keep an open mind on this where just interesting to know either way if it was a bluff or the paypari is for real. If the later it would certainly shake of the bible. There is of course the problem also why he just chose to pick the paypari when he first entered the tomb out of all the treasures. Why that and not something gold, as how could he have time to translate it to know its contents the first time they entered the tomb, he would not have had time I guess?

The story is found in a book called The exodus conspiracy. Which I intend to research more to see how accurate the claim is in regards to the correspondence.

The "black library" alleged to be in in the Vatican has apparently may thing that would shake the bible ,one is the fact women are as equal as men and Jesus was married to Mary and treated as a equal

by Eilzel Sat Jul 11, 2015 1:19 am

Cuchulain wrote:
Eilzel wrote:Sounds fascinating, if a little unlikely (Tut wasn't really such an important King, and depending on when exactly the Exodus story takes place in Egyptian history it may not have even 'happened' (if it happened, a further mystery) by the time Tut died). However I'll definitely do some web reading on that one tomorrow :-)

True, but his reign came at the end of a known heretic period in Egypt, the Amarna period ruled by Akhenaten, then by Smenkhkare. This was the time of the Aten in Egypt, the period where we have the first real monotheism. King Tut reversed the banning of the other gods. You have the situation for where the Aten followers were kicked out of Egypt. It is very well believed that Hebrews may have well influenced this religion. You then have these followers kicked out led by an Egyptian Priest of the Aten. So it hypothesis that this Moses was Eygptian and the founding of their faith would would be the Aten and Egyptian religion, that then formed in Israel later.
Again lots of speculation but very interesting.

That's an incredibly interesting theory actually Shocked

Everything came from somewhere I guess, and Akhenaten is often credited with 'founding' monotheism.

by Guest Sat Jul 11, 2015 7:49 am

Eilzel wrote:
Cuchulain wrote:

True, but his reign came at the end of a known heretic period in Egypt, the Amarna period ruled by Akhenaten, then by Smenkhkare. This was the time of the Aten in Egypt, the period where we have the first real monotheism. King Tut reversed the banning of the other gods. You have the situation for where the Aten followers were kicked out of Egypt. It is very well believed that Hebrews may have well influenced this religion. You then have these followers kicked out led by an Egyptian Priest of the Aten. So it hypothesis that this Moses was Eygptian and the founding of their faith would would be the Aten and Egyptian religion, that then formed in Israel later.
Again lots of speculation but very interesting.

That's an incredibly interesting theory actually

Everything came from somewhere I guess, and Akhenaten is often credited with 'founding' monotheism.

It is mate. Of course if this was found and is true. It would have next to no impact today in regards to the state of Israel one or two reasons. The biggest of course is that there is no justification to claim a religious birth right. I back the right of self determination, not Zionism itself, though at least there is no extremist wrttens doctrines within Zionism. Anyway slightly off track there but its not going to effect Israel's right to exist as they have every right through self determination. It certainly would have impacted at the time for the British Governemnt and the British Mandate.

However the biggest implications to happen if this turned out to be real, is that it would shatter or at the vest least seriousl undermine The Torah, The Bible and the Quran as the words or inspired words of God. If as seen it was mainly Aten worshipers, (which could very well include countless Hewbrews) and it was the Aten worshipped. Then the origins of god found within the Torah, Bible and Quran, would all be wrong. What we certainly do know about the Old Testament is that it had multiple authurs with chapters like for example Genesis. We also know that many of the creation stories of the earth and humans, flood, Tower of babel, were all borrowed from a far earlier Middle Eastern religion. Going allthe way back to the Sumerians. Now we know all these stories were compiled when the Jews were in Babylonian captivity, centuries after Moses would have fled Egypt.

As seen the original origins to all faiths would have or should have been based around the origins of the Aten deity.. Not only this but Josephus recoded an exodus story by an Egyptian priest called Mantheo who wrote the Aegyptiaca, a history of Egypt. His works are sadly now lost, but Josephus pours scorn on his account. So based on Josephus still recorded Mantheos version and believeing it is very wrong, he is very likely to have copied it accurately from the original Mantheo source.

In the Mantheo account:

The Jewish historian Josephus, writing in his Against Apion, records a story about an Egyptian priest named Osarseph who leads a revolution against a pharaoh named Amenophis, takes control of Egypt for thirteen years, commits horrendous religious abuses, and is eventually driven out of Egypt by the pharaoh and his son. Josephus attributed the story to a third century BC Egyptian priest named Manetho, who had written a history of his native country. Most scholars familiar with this story have easily recognized that the Osarseph story provides a disguised account of the events surrounding Pharaoh Akhenaten and his monotheistic religious revolution. What makes this story controversial, though, is that, according to Josephus, Manetho said that Osarseph was Moses and that his followers were a collection of diseased Egyptians.

So if the paypari was found and then seen to basically match Mantheo's accounts, it would shatter the claims that the 3 books were divinely inspired or the word of God. Not only would the stories around Moses be wrong in all 3 books, but the origins of the God also would be wrong. You then have two deities and religions from different origins then later form the one deity seen now in Islam, Judaism and Christianity. A much earlier source like the paypari would actually be written within the time and would spell certain disaster for the faiths.

Most Egyptologists and biblical scholars claim the identification of Moses is wrong in the Mantheo account, but then much of the early history from this era is based around biblical timelines. Also if such a paypari turned up, with being tested as authentic. I doubt they would continue to dismiss the identity claimed of Moses as an Egyptian.

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