Relationship with daughter may be pushing Tom Cruise away from Scientology

Tom Cruise is reportedly having doubts over his faith in Scientology due its impact on his relationship with his daughter, Suri.

While Cruise is one of the top celebrity advocates for the religion, his love for his daughter may be stronger.

“She was going on and on about her ballet class and how much she loves it. That’s when Tom realised he’s never seen her perform ballet and he started to tear up,” an informant told Star Magazine according to Hollywood Life.

In 2012, Katie Holmes left Tom Cruise, saying that she did not want her daughter to be raised as a Scientologist.

“If they label Suri a suppressive person (a Scientology term for an enemy of the church), as they’ve been known to do with dissenters, that would make it hard for Tom to have a relationship with her. He’s between a rock and a hard place, but he’s finally making a choice to put his daughter first,” according to Star Magazine's informant.

sassy wrote:That would be really great.  Scientology is a cult and what they get up to in the way they control people is truly nasty.

veya_victaous wrote:it was on short news I cant remember the poster name but they only ever posted if it was Scientology and full on whitewashed the thread with crap in defense of Scientology and tried to make opponents of Scientology look bad.

I wonder how much we'd have to post to get a Scientology to send a 'defender' here

veya_victaous wrote:it was on short news I cant remember the poster name but they only ever posted if it was Scientology and full on whitewashed the thread with crap in defense of Scientology and tried to make opponents of Scientology look bad.

I wonder how much we'd have to post to get a Scientology to send a 'defender' here

eddie wrote:On another note, lots of people say he will wind up dead within a couple of years if he leaves....

I don't  like him, I think he's a stupid jumped up little twat with no real talent whatsoever.

Oh and I think he's gay. Once he leaves the "cult" he will be outed.

eddie wrote:On another note, lots of people say he will wind up dead within a couple of years if he leaves....

I don't  like him, I think he's a stupid jumped up little twat with no real talent whatsoever.

Oh and I think he's gay. Once he leaves the "cult" he will be outed.

Ben_Reilly wrote:We get it all the time here. "Would you like a free reading?" They know how to manipulate people and have the same blind commitment to purpose as any other fundie -- you won't hear of a "moderate Scientologist" ...

B4st4rds!

Raggamuffin wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:We get it all the time here. "Would you like a free reading?" They know how to manipulate people and have the same blind commitment to purpose as any other fundie -- you won't hear of a "moderate Scientologist" ...

B4st4rds!

I didn't know they were scientologists at first. I do think that people still make their own choice, no matter how persuasive these people are.

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

I didn't know they were scientologists at first. I do think that people still make their own choice, no matter how persuasive these people are.

I just have to single out Scientology because you can buy a Bible, Quaran, Bhagavad Gita, whatever, and know most everything about those religions before you do anything else. With Scientology, they make you pay for each level of "knowledge" until you've given over a year's worth of earnings (for most people) and only then do they tell you about Xenu and the volcanoes ...

Ben_Reilly wrote:They prey on the weak and vulnerable, like any cult. They're out looking for people sad enough to be looking for a clean break and easy answers, and they exploit that for profit ...

Raggamuffin wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:They prey on the weak and vulnerable, like any cult. They're out looking for people sad enough to be looking for a clean break and easy answers, and they exploit that for profit ...

Maybe so, but it's still up to the individual as to whether they want to join or not. Some people are looking for a clean break, as you put it, and maybe it does help them. If they then decide that it doesn't, they can stop.

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Maybe so, but it's still up to the individual as to whether they want to join or not. Some people are looking for a clean break, as you put it, and maybe it does help them. If they then decide that it doesn't, they can stop.

OK, I get that. But if you're offering that, should you charge so much money for it? And shouldn't you at least be up front about what the belief system is when people are just getting into it?

You can check into any American hotel (pretty much) and read the Bible for free, front to back, thanks to the Gideons. I just think when it comes to religious beliefs, nothing should be hidden -- especially when you (used to) have to pay in order to learn what the beliefs are ...

Ben_Reilly wrote:In Hollywood, though, Scientology has built a big "good ol' boys" network where you get better roles if you're one of them. That's why so many actors are part of the church.

I think the majority of Scientologists didn't realize what they were getting into when they started, and then found themselves trapped -- with the option to leave, yes, but at the cost of losing a lot.

Have you looked much into Scientology?

Raggamuffin wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:In Hollywood, though, Scientology has built a big "good ol' boys" network where you get better roles if you're one of them. That's why so many actors are part of the church.

I think the majority of Scientologists didn't realize what they were getting into when they started, and then found themselves trapped -- with the option to leave, yes, but at the cost of losing a lot.

Have you looked much into Scientology?

So someone can benefit by getting better roles? Then it suits them to join doesn't it?

Ben, I believe that people need to take responsibility for their own actions and understand that they do things for their own benefit. If that doesn't work out, they should not blame others. I don't mean they should beat themselves up for a decision which turns out to be the wrong one for them, but they just need to understand that it was their own decision and to try to move on.

What is the cost of leaving?

The Church’s modus operandi stems from a policy called “fair game," which states: An enemy of Scientology, referred to as a suppressive person (SP), “may be deprived of property or injured by any means by any Scientologist without any discipline of the Scientologist. May be tricked, sued or lied to or destroyed.”

Back in the day before the Internet publicized the secrets of Planet Xenu, Scientology relied on lawsuits to intimidate its detractors. Between 1991 and 1996, John Travolta’s religion filed more than 50 lawsuits against the Cult Awareness Network (CAN),eventually forcing it into bankruptcy. The Church then bought its name and assets in bankruptcy proceedings and used CAN as the title of an unrelated organization.

These tactics trickle down from L. Ron Hubbard. In a 1966 policy letter, the author and founder of Scientology instructed his followers on the proper procedure for handling investigations.

1. Spot who is attacking us.
2. Start investigating them promptly for FELONIES or worse using own professionals, not outside agencies.
3. Double curve our reply by saying we welcome an investigation of them.
4. Start feeding lurid, blood sex crime actual evidence on the attackers to the press.
5. Don't ever tamely submit to an investigation of us. Make it rough, rough on attackers all the way.

sassy wrote:Rags, do you know about John Travolta's son dying, because he would not take him to a doctor, Scientologists believe sickness is your own fault and you have to cure yourself.

Look into it more, it's a cut and it's horrific.

This might give you a slight idea, just one of many:

http://dbloch7986.blogspot.co.uk/2013/02/the-truly-dark-side-of-scientology.html

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

So someone can benefit by getting better roles? Then it suits them to join doesn't it?

Ben, I believe that people need to take responsibility for their own actions and understand that they do things for their own benefit. If that doesn't work out, they should not blame others. I don't mean they should beat themselves up for a decision which turns out to be the wrong one for them, but they just need to understand that it was their own decision and to try to move on.

What is the cost of leaving?

The Church’s modus operandi stems from a policy called “fair game," which states: An enemy of Scientology, referred to as a suppressive person (SP), “may be deprived of property or injured by any means by any Scientologist without any discipline of the Scientologist. May be tricked, sued or lied to or destroyed.”

Back in the day before the Internet publicized the secrets of Planet Xenu, Scientology relied on lawsuits to intimidate its detractors. Between 1991 and 1996, John Travolta’s religion filed more than 50 lawsuits against the Cult Awareness Network (CAN),eventually forcing it into bankruptcy. The Church then bought its name and assets in bankruptcy proceedings and used CAN as the title of an unrelated organization.

These tactics trickle down from L. Ron Hubbard. In a 1966 policy letter, the author and founder of Scientology instructed his followers on the proper procedure for handling investigations.

1. Spot who is attacking us.
2. Start investigating them promptly for FELONIES or worse using own professionals, not outside agencies.
3. Double curve our reply by saying we welcome an investigation of them.
4. Start feeding lurid, blood sex crime actual evidence on the attackers to the press.
5. Don't ever tamely submit to an investigation of us. Make it rough, rough on attackers all the way.

http://www.alternet.org/culture/6-insane-ways-church-scientology-has-tried-silence-its-critics

sassy wrote:Well, this is a mild idea of some of the stuff to do to people who leave:

Ben_Reilly wrote:In Hollywood, though, Scientology has built a big "good ol' boys" network where you get better roles if you're one of them. That's why so many actors are part of the church.

I think the majority of Scientologists didn't realize what they were getting into when they started, and then found themselves trapped -- with the option to leave, yes, but at the cost of losing a lot.

Have you looked much into Scientology?

sassy wrote:In the 1970s Scientology took umbrage at official organisations investigating it and holding it to account for what it was doing, so Scientology managed to perform the largest infiltration of the United States government in history.   5,000 of Scientology’s crack commandos wiretapped and burglarized various agencies. They stole hundreds of documents, mainly from the IRS. No critic was spared, and in the end, 136 organizations, agencies and foreign embassies were infiltrated.



Operation Snow White was the Church of Scientology's internal name for a major criminal conspiracy during the 1970s to purge unfavorable records about Scientology and its founder L. Ron Hubbard. This project included a series of infiltrations and thefts from 136 government agencies, foreign embassies and consulates, as well as private organizations critical of Scientology, carried out by Church members, in more than 30 countries.[1] It was the single largest infiltration of the United States government in history[2] with up to 5,000 covert agents.[3] This operation also exposed the Scientology plot 'Operation Freakout', because Operation Snow White was the case that initiated the US government investigation of the Church.[3]

Under this program, Scientology operatives committed infiltration, wiretapping, and theft of documents in government offices, most notably those of the U.S. Internal Revenue Service. Eleven highly placed Church executives, including Mary Sue Hubbard (wife of founder L. Ron Hubbard and second-in-command of the organization), pleaded guilty or were convicted in federal court of obstructing justice, burglary of government offices, and theft of documents and government property. The case was United States v. Mary Sue Hubbard et al., 493 F.Supp. 209 (D.D.C. 1979)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Snow_White


And BTW, people who talked about it at the time were called 'conspiracy theorists' lol

sassy wrote:Ahhh, but it's a 'conspiracy theory' that they do