15 important questions about the Charlston shooting

by eddie Fri Jun 26, 2015 8:00 pm

Not saying I believe it but the questions are relevant, nonetheless.
Too much to c&p so take a look for yourselves:

http://yournewswire.com/15-important-questions-about-the-charleston-shooting/

by Raggamuffin Fri Jun 26, 2015 8:03 pm

I did wonder about the first one and also number 5. I know it's good to forgive, but it usually takes a bit of time.

I did wonder what was happening whilst he was reloading. Couldn't someone have jumped him?

by eddie Fri Jun 26, 2015 8:05 pm

Rags I thought it odd that the church was opened so soon after as it was a crime scene?

I should add, that everyone needs to read this too:

http://resistancejournals.com/2015/06/21/active-shooter-drill-sc-church-shooting/

by Ben Reilly Fri Jun 26, 2015 8:05 pm

This is deeply offensive. I'd like someone to ask these questions to the survivors of the victims, if they had the guts and total lack of humanity.

by Raggamuffin Fri Jun 26, 2015 8:06 pm

eddie wrote:Rags I thought it odd that the church was opened so soon after as it was a crime scene?

I should add, that everyone needs to read this too:

http://resistancejournals.com/2015/06/21/active-shooter-drill-sc-church-shooting/

You suspect some shenanigans?

I must admit I haven't looked at the details, but I will do so now.

by eddie Fri Jun 26, 2015 8:06 pm

Ben_Reilly wrote:This is deeply offensive. I'd like someone to ask these questions to the survivors of the victims, if they had the guts and total lack of humanity.

It ain't meant to be Ben. I said I wasn't sure what I believed but you have to admit they are genuine questions?

by Raggamuffin Fri Jun 26, 2015 8:09 pm

I googled the kid actor, and he's 33 now. Dylann Roof looks even younger than 21 IMO. There's quite a lot of speculation about it being him though.

by eddie Fri Jun 26, 2015 8:12 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:I googled the kid actor, and he's 33 now. Dylann Roof looks even younger than 21 IMO. There's quite a lot of speculation about it being him though.

So what do you think?

Ben: And I'm sorry but this isn't offensive, I'm asking questions.

by Raggamuffin Fri Jun 26, 2015 8:13 pm

I hate all this compensation shit. It only just happened FFS and they're talking about millions of dollars.

by eddie Fri Jun 26, 2015 8:15 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:I hate all this compensation shit. It only just happened FFS and they're talking about millions of dollars.

But what do you think all these questions mean? It's thrown some uncomfortable light on everything.
Did you read about the drill that took place?

http://resistancejournals.com/2015/06/21/active-shooter-drill-sc-church-shooting/

by Raggamuffin Fri Jun 26, 2015 8:15 pm

eddie wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:I hate all this compensation shit. It only just happened FFS and they're talking about millions of dollars.

But what do you think all these questions mean? It's thrown some uncomfortable light on everything.
Did you read about the drill that took place?

http://resistancejournals.com/2015/06/21/active-shooter-drill-sc-church-shooting/

Not yet eddie. I'm just reading about the church reopening. Did the shooting take place in the main bit of the church?

by eddie Fri Jun 26, 2015 8:17 pm

Not sure, just double checking

by Guest Fri Jun 26, 2015 8:17 pm

eddie wrote:
Ben_Reilly wrote:This is deeply offensive. I'd like someone to ask these questions to the survivors of the victims, if they had the guts and total lack of humanity.

It ain't meant to be Ben. I said I wasn't sure what I believed but you have to admit they are genuine questions?

This is all you need to read from that link to know this article you posted is disgusting Eddie:

Ban the Confederate flag, degraded in the media as simply racist, but actually a symbol of state resistance to the federal government?
Enhance the President’s ratings in polls by having him deliver the slain pastor’s eulogy?

Yes we can all look at things and question if that seems out of place to us, but think about the people even thinking that in regards to this mass shooting from your article.
What kind of person would even think these questions trying to defend the confederate flag claiming its a Resistance flag.
That should be he first question you should be asking.
That is the only question you need the answer for on this.

by Raggamuffin Fri Jun 26, 2015 8:19 pm

There are some pretty outspoken people out there talking about this. Look at the video about the guy being interviewed, and the one about the money.

by eddie Fri Jun 26, 2015 8:20 pm

Jeez! Can I not look into something without having to defend every single sentence???
I can read an article and be interested in some of it but not all of it.

I need never say that again. Because it's obvious

by Guest Fri Jun 26, 2015 8:20 pm

I am stunned, truly stunned.

by Ben Reilly Fri Jun 26, 2015 8:21 pm

eddie wrote:
Ben_Reilly wrote:This is deeply offensive. I'd like someone to ask these questions to the survivors of the victims, if they had the guts and total lack of humanity.

It ain't meant to be Ben. I said I wasn't sure what I believed but you have to admit they are genuine questions?

Not really. The news media swarms to things like this, that's why there were statements from Roof's relatives just a few hours after the attack.

The photos were taken from his social media.

The U.S. government sends relief funding to shooting and disaster victims all the time: http://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/attorney-general-holder-announces-15-million-reimburse-support-efforts-victims-sandy-hook

Every time a tragedy like this occurs in the U.S., the rabid pro-gun movement declares it a false-flag operation wherein the government shot a bunch of our fellow Americans (often little kids) to death in order to swoop in and take everyone's guns away, and it sickens me and should sicken everyone.

by Guest Fri Jun 26, 2015 8:22 pm

the article appears to be the twisted ravings of yet another R/W conspiracy nut.

BTW Ben I am curious.....why is it that nearly ALL conspiracy theories are promulgated by R/W ers, underlining a R/W agenda?

by eddie Fri Jun 26, 2015 8:22 pm

Cuchulain wrote:I am stunned, truly stunned.

Why? Because I dare to question something?
Calm down. I never said I handed him the gun Rolling Eyes

by Guest Fri Jun 26, 2015 8:25 pm

eddie wrote:Jeez! Can I not look into something without having to defend every single sentence???
I can read an article and be interested in some of it but not all of it.

I need never say that again. Because it's obvious

Yes you can Eddie, but like I say, before you even attempt to look at something, you should question the source.
Is it biased?
What political beliefs does that person really have?
Then if you wish still look at the article objectively

These are assumptions and views, not evidence and again to defend the confederate flag, tells me more about his motives with this claim.

by Raggamuffin Fri Jun 26, 2015 8:26 pm

There's loads of stuff out there about it - it's not just that one article.

by Raggamuffin Fri Jun 26, 2015 8:27 pm

Ben_Reilly wrote:
eddie wrote:

It ain't meant to be Ben. I said I wasn't sure what I believed but you have to admit they are genuine questions?

Not really. The news media swarms to things like this, that's why there were statements from Roof's relatives just a few hours after the attack.

The photos were taken from his social media.

The U.S. government sends relief funding to shooting and disaster victims all the time: http://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/attorney-general-holder-announces-15-million-reimburse-support-efforts-victims-sandy-hook

Every time a tragedy like this occurs in the U.S., the rabid pro-gun movement declares it a false-flag operation wherein the government shot a bunch of our fellow Americans (often little kids) to death in order to swoop in and take everyone's guns away, and it sickens me and should sicken everyone.

Don't worry about it. As you say, conspiracy theories happen all the time - we had loads of theories over here about the London Underground bombings.

by eddie Fri Jun 26, 2015 8:28 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:There's loads of stuff out there about it - it's not just that one article.

I know rags!

I just read this too:

Bidondi said: “Was this whole thing [Sandy Hook shooting] staged? Was it real? You have neighbors reporting the school’s been closed down for God knows how long…. They can’t understand why there were kids in that building because it was condemned.”

I read somewhere else that said Sandy Hook was closed. There's loads on that too.
Something stinks!!

by eddie Fri Jun 26, 2015 8:29 pm

Radio interview with the former state trooper re Sandy Hook school:

http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/2014/04/11/was-sandy-hook-elementary-school-already-abandoned-before-the-massacre/

by Guest Fri Jun 26, 2015 8:29 pm

eddie wrote:
Cuchulain wrote:I am stunned, truly stunned.

Why? Because I dare to question something?
Calm down. I never said I handed him the gun

You question something that is claiming those from the same church are now actors?
So he questions a Christians who lost his mother being forgiving. He claims he is an actor based on his words, from someone who is no expert but giving his view on how he would feel.
Its absurd Eddie, truly
You clearly do believe some of it to even think of posting this Eddie.

To be honest I am that appalled about it, when it is a complete insult, that I am not going to entertain anything more on such a thread

All the best

by eddie Fri Jun 26, 2015 8:31 pm

Okay no problem
Like I said, I don't automatically believe something becaeue it's said on the TV.

TV and media are like God to you.

by Ben Reilly Fri Jun 26, 2015 8:33 pm

mentor wrote:the article appears to be the twisted ravings of yet another R/W conspiracy nut.

BTW Ben I am curious.....why is it that nearly ALL conspiracy theories are promulgated by R/W ers, underlining a R/W agenda?

I've read a little to support this, and it seems to me that any group which perceives itself to be losing power and influence is more prone to spinning conspiracy theories about what those in power are doing. The 9/11 truth movement originally was embraced by a lot of people on the left, but ironically the people pushing it now (at least in the U.S.) tend to be the radical-right types like Ron and Rand Paul (and those guys can see three conspiracy theories before they've gotten out of bed in the morning).

There's a great article on this by Harper's Magazine, The Paranoid Style in American Politics. Here's an excerpt (if you think this is long, the article is huge):

Here is Senator McCarthy, speaking in June 1951 about the parlous situation of the United States:

How can we account for our present situation unless we believe that men high in this government are concerting to deliver us to disaster? This must be the product of a great conspiracy on a scale so immense as to dwarf any previous such venture in the history of man. A conspiracy of infamy so black that, which it is finally exposed, its principals shall be forever deserving of the maledictions of all honest men. . . . What can be made of this unbroken series of decisions and acts contributing to the strategy of defeat? They cannot be attributed to incompetence. . . . The laws of probability would dictate that part of . . . [the] decisions would serve the country’s interest.

Now turn back fifty years to a manifesto signed in 1895 by a number of leaders of the Populist party:

As early as 1865–66 a conspiracy was entered into between the gold gamblers of Europe and America. . . . For nearly thirty years these conspirators have kept the people quarreling over less important matters while they have pursued with unrelenting zeal their one central purpose. . . . Every device of treachery, every resource of statecraft, and every artifice known to the secret cabals of the international gold ring are being used to deal a blow to the prosperity of the people and the financial and commercial independence of the country.

Next, a Texas newspaper article of 1855:

. . . It is a notorious fact that the Monarchs of Europe and the Pope of Rome are at this very moment plotting our destruction and threatening the extinction of our political, civil, and religious institutions. We have the best reasons for believing that corruption has found its way into our Executive Chamber, and that our Executive head is tainted with the infectious venom of Catholicism. . . . The Pope has recently sent his ambassador of state to this country on a secret commission, the effect of which is an extraordinary boldness of the Catholic church throughout the United States. . . . These minions of the Pope are boldly insulting our Senators; reprimanding our Statesmen; propagating the adulterous union of Church and State; abusing with foul calumny all governments but Catholic, and spewing out the bitterest execrations on all Protestantism. The Catholics in the United States receive from abroad more than $200,000 annually for the propagation of their creed. Add to this the vast revenues collected here. . . .

http://harpers.org/archive/1964/11/the-paranoid-style-in-american-politics/

by Guest Fri Jun 26, 2015 8:35 pm

eddie wrote:Okay no problem
Like I said, I don't automatically believe something becaeue it's said on the TV.

TV and media are like God to you.

That is completely wrong, due to my history studies and the methods I employ to research.
I tae on substantiated evidence, corroboration to produce facts, not the views of an individual which to him things seem out of place. That is no even backing his views scientifically.
He should be able to show his claims based on studies, etc.
He does not, he just convinces people. He offers no sound reasoning for his views.

As I say you have no idea about me Eddie and do not worry not insulted, just stunned how you fail to rationalize things.

Cheers

by eddie Sat Jun 27, 2015 10:35 am

Anyway, there are still strange questions to be answered.

Why was the church open so quickly anyway? Wasn't it still a crime scene?

by Guest Sat Jun 27, 2015 10:41 am

eddie wrote:Anyway, there are still strange questions to be answered.

Why was the church open so quickly anyway? Wasn't it still a crime scene?

Okay Eddie.
Here is your first problem you need to resolve.
You need to research and see if such a claim is true above.
In that places do not open quickly after a crime scene.
Its no good saying this needs to be answered when you have not looked into whether it is short in this instance.

So how do we measure that?
Take similar examples.

So have you look at other mass shootings like for example with schools to see how they long they were closed? If not then the question is based on no sound reasoning but the views of the individual and would then be very subjective.

by eddie Sat Jun 27, 2015 10:45 am

Well a state trooper and local residents of Sandy Hook said that they didn't understand why children were in the school that day as the school had been closed for a long time...?

Why don't you stop asking me questions and why don't you read the links yourself and check out the people saying these things?

(You dismissed all the statements from the 9/11 firefighters that said they heard explosions just before the towers fell!)

by eddie Sat Jun 27, 2015 10:48 am

Active shooter drill on the day of Charleston records:

https://resistancejournals.files.wordpress.com/2015/06/false-flag.jpg

by Guest Sat Jun 27, 2015 10:50 am

I will help you:

2013 Santa Monica shooting: Six people, including the shooter died and four others were wounded at or near the campus of Santa Monica College when a lone gunman opened fire on the school campus library after shooting at several cars and a city bus at separate crime scenes. The gunman, John Zawahri, was fatally wounded by responding police officers. Among the dead were the shooter's father and brother, both of whom died inside a house that was set on fire a mile or so from the Santa Monica College campus

Date this occurred. 7 June 2013.
Reopened 10th June 2013

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/06/10/santa-monica-reopens/2409401/

That is 3 days.

The Charleston Church took 4 days to reopen.
Attack was on 17th June
The church reopened on the 21st

That is 4 days

Like I say Eddie. This is why you need to to think through first what is being asked and if its valid. Its no good asking something that is not out of the ordinary as I just proved above.

by eddie Sat Jun 27, 2015 10:51 am

What are the chances that the government (DHS) would be doing an “Active Shooter Drill,” in the same exact town, on the same exact day that a mass shooting takes place? The answer? Quite frankly, almost NONE.
No chance.

by Guest Sat Jun 27, 2015 11:00 am

Thank you Eddie, you did as predicted.
Not acknowledge the point on the time opening question was poor.
You move straight onto the next, where again, I would ask you research drills next, before making a claim to a possible percentage.
Have you even done the maths?
I would say it is likely to happen at some point in a town, based on the shootings experience they have there. Again the point is so absurd. It ignores that drills are carried out yearly. So the chances of it happening is a distinct possibility. The only reason he posed this questions is because he believes this is a cover up.

Seriously Eddie, look through his claims again, they are very baseless as I am showing

by Original Quill Sat Jun 27, 2015 6:12 pm

eddie wrote:What are the chances that the government (DHS) would be doing an “Active Shooter Drill,” in the same exact town, on the same exact day that a mass shooting takes place? The answer? Quite frankly, almost NONE.
No chance.

Correction: One in four chance. There are only four sites listed in that schedule: Glynco, Cheltenham, Artesia and Charleston. The locations listed are actually Federal Law Enforcement Training Centers (FLETC), all but one in the east coast. In addition to Charleston, Cheltenham Law Enforcement Training Center is in Cheltenham Maryland. Glynco Law Enforcement Training Center is in Brunswick GA. Artesia Law Enforcement Training Center is situated in Artesia NM. One in four is twenty-five percent. The dates appear to be randomly spread out over less than a year, from January to September.

Charleston is a small population, but it is the second-largest city in the state of South Carolina. It has a standard metropolitan statistical area (SMSA) comprising Berkeley, Charleston and Dorchester counties, with an area with 664,607 in population in the 2010 census (though a July 1, 2012 estimate) and a present population of 697,439. It is perhaps the most important federal city between Atlanta and Washington, DC.

Moreover, it has a substantial presence of Navy, including the Naval Shipyard, Naval Weapons Station, and the Marine Corps Reserve Center. It also has a USAF presence--Charleston AF Base. The City of Charleston encompasses the US Coast Guard Sector Charleston, and the US Coast Guard Helicopter Air Facility, Johns Island. Also, the Coast Guard Maritime Law Enforcement Academy is in Charleston, which may play into the US Federal Law Enforcement plans for training. Finally, the United States Army Corps of Engineers, Charleston District, is located in Charleston, SC.

I think that there is a huge chance that Federal Law Enforcement would want to look after Charleston, and the presence of the FLETC in Charlseston means it would go there for training in the area.

by Ben Reilly Sat Jun 27, 2015 9:30 pm

eddie wrote:What are the chances that the government (DHS) would be doing an “Active Shooter Drill,” in the same exact town, on the same exact day that a mass shooting takes place? The answer? Quite frankly, almost NONE.
No chance.

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by eddie Sun Jun 28, 2015 11:02 am

Good Ben - I love facts like that!

How about the same coincidences of drills being in almost every major catastrophe like 9/11???

Have you looked into this?

by eddie Sun Jun 28, 2015 11:05 am

Sandy Hook – NO DEATHS, NO VICTIMS; According to SSDI Official Master File

The Sandy Hook shooting official narrative is now dead. We have seen in previous films how the Newtown school “shooting” was interconnected not only to the CIA, but also that Dawn Hochsprung – a supposed ‘victim’ of the event – is closely related to the family of a key propagandist. This propagandist AND Hochsprung are secretly and closely related to Peter Lanza – and therefore to the entire “Lanza” family!

While some geneology websites list the ‘official’ Sandy Hook victims in database searches, it was discovered that NONE of the “deaths” were actually traceable to the town of Sandy Hook in Fairfield County, Connecticut. Why? Inconsistencies in the various proprietary databases suggested TAMPERING WITH THR RECORDS as the cause. Indeed, it has been revealed that a systematic effort was made about one year before the “massacre”, to block or limit public access to such records!

In this document, you will see the results of a painstakingly thorough search of the ORIGINAL Social Security Death Master File for the Sandy Hook “victims.” The results ar shocking. A great deal of information is made available, so anyone can verify the result for themselves.

The Boston Marathon “bombing” taught us much about how the fake death industry works – particularly in connection with Sandy Hook (see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m07q7… — The Fake Death Industry). Here, we can see it in action, with the people who put it to use.

This information may help others who are now beginning the REAL investigation into Sandy Hook again. Now that the fake ‘official’ investigation has concluded so infamously.

by eddie Sun Jun 28, 2015 11:06 am

Has anyone checked out the same female witness in both Boston Marathon and Sandy Hook?

"How is it that the same person JUST HAPPENS to be giving testimony of the horror she witnessed at BOTH the Boston Bombing AND Sandy Hook? This woman JUST HAPPENS to have been at BOTH? Odds? Anyone? This woman JUST HAPPENS to be THE person TWO TOTALLY INDEPENDENT NEWS TEAMS from TOTALLY DIFFERENT MEDIA OUTLETS JUST HAPPENED to chose out of ALL THE PEOPLE in BOTH crowds to talk to?"

Has anyone checked out the death records of where the sandy hook victims lived?
Has anyone wondered why the local residents of sandy hook and an ex state trooper were totally puzzled as to why there were children at that school as it had been closed for ages???

Food for thought.
That's all I'm saying.

by eddie Sun Jun 28, 2015 11:13 am

I suggest you watch this and explain it to me

by Guest Sun Jun 28, 2015 2:34 pm

I mean seriously Eddie you were gifted with an intelligent emotive brain, please start to use it for pity sake before you end up too far gone down the path of the cuckoo tree.

http://sandyhookanalysis.blogspot.co.uk/2014/07/sandy-hook-hoax-claims-debunked.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/16/sandy-hook-conspiracy-theory-video-debunked_n_2487427.html

by Original Quill Sun Jun 28, 2015 4:34 pm

Didge: I've been to Boston, I've been to Charleston...AND I'VE BEEN INSIDE THE WORLD TRADE CENTER (many times)!!! Not only that, but I have been to Colorado lots of times, where BOTH Aurora and Columbine took place (and how many states have two incidents?). I've been to Los Angeles, where they had the South-Central riots. And get this: my daughter went to school just a few miles outside of Baltimore!!

Coincidence? I don't think so. Now, if you don't see the significance, I don't know what you need.

by eddie Sun Jun 28, 2015 4:41 pm

eddie wrote:

I suggest you watch this and explain it to me

Can someone tell me if this is the same woman?
Thanks

by Raggamuffin Sun Jun 28, 2015 4:58 pm

eddie wrote:
eddie wrote:

I suggest you watch this and explain it to me

Can someone tell me if this is the same woman?
Thanks

I don't know. Superficially, they look alike but it's not certain.

by Guest Sun Jun 28, 2015 5:06 pm

Original Quill wrote:Didge: I've been to Boston, I've been to Charleston...AND I'VE BEEN INSIDE THE WORLD TRADE CENTER (many times)!!! Not only that, but I have been to Colorado lots of times, where BOTH Aurora and Columbine took place (and how many states have two incidents?). I've been to Los Angeles, where they had the South-Central riots. And get this: my daughter went to school just a few miles outside of Baltimore!!

Coincidence? I don't think so. Now, if you don't see the significance, I don't know what you need.

Not sure what you are on about if I am being honest Quill.
I need to know what this significance you think is.
All I know is a white supremacist filled with hate and led by hate murdered 9 black people.

by Guest Sun Jun 28, 2015 5:08 pm

eddie wrote:
eddie wrote:

I suggest you watch this and explain it to me

Can someone tell me if this is the same woman?
Thanks

Can you see how flawed a view to ask that is Eddie.
You are asking for opinions off people, not evidence.
So if you get a consensus, that is all that matters to you if this is the same person or not.
Sorry that is desperation for a conspiracy argument.
It wants confirmation of a claim based on peoples points of view and not on any real evidence.
Absurd

by Original Quill Sun Jun 28, 2015 5:21 pm

Cuchulain wrote:
Original Quill wrote:Didge: I've been to Boston, I've been to Charleston...AND I'VE BEEN INSIDE THE WORLD TRADE CENTER (many times)!!! Not only that, but I have been to Colorado lots of times, where BOTH Aurora and Columbine took place (and how many states have two incidents?). I've been to Los Angeles, where they had the South-Central riots. And get this: my daughter went to school just a few miles outside of Baltimore!!

Coincidence? I don't think so. Now, if you don't see the significance, I don't know what you need.

Not sure what you are on about if I am being honest Quill.
I need to know what this significance you think is.
All I know is a white supremacist filled with hate and led by hate murdered 9 black people.

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by Guest Sun Jun 28, 2015 5:29 pm

Thanks Quill that did make me laugh.
Maybe you can explain this significance, as your original post made little sense in regards to geography and this case, to someone who lives in the UK.
Hence why you need to elaborate more on your point.
Not enough info

Laughing

by Original Quill Sun Jun 28, 2015 5:41 pm

Cuchulain wrote:Thanks Quill that did make me laugh.
Maybe you can explain this significance, as your original post made little sense in regards to geography and this case, to someone who lives in the UK.
Hence why you need to elaborate more on your point.
Not enough info

Becky is standing behind me saying, 'Remember...don't complain, don't explain...' Lol.

It was irony, didge...mimicking the conspiracy theorist. Only it worked too well! Razz

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