Did Osama Bin Laden ever actually admit to 9/11?

Defenders of the 'official story' like to point out to the skeptics of 9/11 that Osama Bin Laden was caught on video proudly confessing to the crime in front of a group of his peers. The now famous 'confession' video was released in December of 2001 by the Department of Defense under growing international pressure to provide definitive proof tying Bin Laden to 9/11. And the defenders of the government's narrative present this oft-broadcast video as tidy proof of that narrative's validity. But as with so much of the 'evidence' covered at length in this paper, this 'definitive' proof is riddled with conflicting facts, quantum leaps in judgment, and, ultimately, inadvertent support not for the official story, but for the very skepticism about 9/11 that the 'proof' was meant to quell.


First of all, Bin Laden's initial reaction to 9/11 was not to take credit for the crime at all. In fact, he continually denied any involvement in 9/11 up until the 'confession' video was mysteriously presented. Almost no one in the U.S. has read Bin Laden's first statement in response to 9/11, which so conflicts the later 'confession'. Here it is, from September 17, 2001:

"I would like to assure the world that I did not plan the recent attacks, which seems to have been planned by people for personal reasons. I have been living in the Islamic emirate of Afghanistan and following its leaders' rules. The current leader does not allow me to exercise such operations."

We've been asked to accept without question his other statements of 'confession'. So how do we make sense of the above statement? Or how do we make sense of his second public statement in regards to 9/11, given on October 16, 2001:

"I have already said that I am not involved in the 11 September attacks in the United States. As a Muslim, I try my best to avoid telling a lie. I had no knowledge of these attacks, nor do I consider the killing of innocent women, children and other humans as an appreciable act. Islam strictly forbids causing harm to innocent women, children and other people. Such a practice is forbidden even in the course of a battle"


These comments obviously do not prove that Bin Laden did not orchestrate 9/11. But they do raise a crucial question. Why would a man spend six weeks denying a crime, then suddenly flip-flop 180 degrees and happily start taking responsibility for the originally denied crime? Most people - including scientists, CIA analysts, FBI, and other independent investigators, etc. - who have a working familiarity with the 'confession' video, know the answer to this question. And that is that the man in the video making the 'confession' is almost certainly not Osama Bin Laden, and the tape is a fake. The man shown in the video, though bearded, Arabic, and of darkish complexion, is much heavier than all known photos and videos of the actual Bin Laden. The man in the video is seen writing something down with his right hand. Bin Laden is well-known to be left-handed. And there are scores of other reasons to question the validity of the tape. In fact, "the FBI's page on bin Laden as a 'Most Wanted Terrorist' does not list him as wanted for 9/11, and when asked why, a FBI spokesman said, 'because the FBI has no hard evidence connecting bin Laden to 9/11'." (Debunking 9/11 Debunking, pg. 21, David Ray Griffin, Olive Branch Press, 2007.) For a detailed analysis on the bin Laden tapes, click here or here.

But even if we take the hypothesis, for the moment, that the tape is real, then the government would suddenly find itself subject to an even more damning series of questions than if the tape was a fake. Because according to a recent investigation by journalist Ed Haas, the Bin Laden 'confession' video was not, as originally reported, acquired in November 2001. It was acquired in late September 2001, before the invasion of Afghanistan commenced. And if this is true, George W. Bush and Tony Blair could find themselves in deep, deep trouble. Because if this September timeline of receiving the tape is true, based on well-established precedents of international law, Bush and Blair are subject to execution for crimes against humanity.

Read more
http://www.911hardfacts.com/report_19.htm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Videos_of_Osama_bin_Laden

In an audiotape released in November 2007, Bin Laden claimed responsibility for the attacks and denied the Taliban and the Afghan government or people had any prior knowledge of the attacks. In an interview with al-Jazeera, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and Ramzi bin al-Shibh, two of al-Qaeda's alleged masterminds of the attacks, also confessed their involvement in the attacks.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_conspiracy_theories

Yes.
But you didn't read all of the above did you?

eddie wrote:Yes.
But you didn't read all of the above did you?

What is the story here Eddie?

He originally denies the attack

Then the m,ain people behind this admit that they did.

Non-story.

Cuchulain wrote:In an audiotape released in November 2007, Bin Laden claimed responsibility for the attacks and denied the Taliban and the Afghan government or people had any prior knowledge of the attacks. In an interview with al-Jazeera, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and Ramzi bin al-Shibh, two of al-Qaeda's alleged masterminds of the attacks, also confessed their involvement in the attacks.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_conspiracy_theories

These comments obviously do not prove that Bin Laden did not orchestrate 9/11. But they do raise a crucial question. Why would a man spend six weeks denying a crime, then suddenly flip-flop 180 degrees and happily start taking responsibility for the originally denied crime? Most people - including scientists, CIA analysts, FBI, and other independent investigators, etc. - who have a working familiarity with the 'confession' video, know the answer to this question. And that is that the man in the video making the 'confession' is almost certainly not Osama Bin Laden, and the tape is a fake. The man shown in the video, though bearded, Arabic, and of darkish complexion, is much heavier than all known photos and videos of the actual Bin Laden. The man in the video is seen writing something down with his right hand. Bin Laden is well-known to be left-handed. And there are scores of other reasons to question the validity of the tape. In fact, "the FBI's page on bin Laden as a 'Most Wanted Terrorist' does not list him as wanted for 9/11, and when asked why, a FBI spokesman said, 'because the FBI has no hard evidence connecting bin Laden to 9/11'." (Debunking 9/11 Debunking, pg. 21, David Ray Griffin, Olive Branch Press, 2007.) For a detailed analysis on the bin Laden tapes, click here or here.

eddie wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:In an audiotape released in November 2007, Bin Laden claimed responsibility for the attacks and denied the Taliban and the Afghan government or people had any prior knowledge of the attacks. In an interview with al-Jazeera, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and Ramzi bin al-Shibh, two of al-Qaeda's alleged masterminds of the attacks, also confessed their involvement in the attacks.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_conspiracy_theories

These comments obviously do not prove that Bin Laden did not orchestrate 9/11. But they do raise a crucial question. Why would a man spend six weeks denying a crime, then suddenly flip-flop 180 degrees and happily start taking responsibility for the originally denied crime? Most people - including scientists, CIA analysts, FBI, and other independent investigators, etc. - who have a working familiarity with the 'confession' video, know the answer to this question. And that is that the man in the video making the 'confession' is almost certainly not Osama Bin Laden, and the tape is a fake. The man shown in the video, though bearded, Arabic, and of darkish complexion, is much heavier than all known photos and videos of the actual Bin Laden. The man in the video is seen writing something down with his right hand. Bin Laden is well-known to be left-handed. And there are scores of other reasons to question the validity of the tape. In fact, "the FBI's page on bin Laden as a 'Most Wanted Terrorist' does not list him as wanted for 9/11, and when asked why, a FBI spokesman said, 'because the FBI has no hard evidence connecting bin Laden to 9/11'." (Debunking 9/11 Debunking, pg. 21, David Ray Griffin, Olive Branch Press, 2007.) For a detailed analysis on the bin Laden tapes, click here or here.

They do not raise any questions, only to people who cannot comprehend some people deny attacks.
Do not forgtet up until this point Bin Laden was safe from any retaliation in Afghanistan.
The taliban even offered to hand him over to Pakistan to stand trial in negotiation with the US.
Explain to me why would they do this if he did not carry out the attack


This is why many of the claims made do not add up when you look further into the reality of what happened at the time

The men who were filming the towers before the attack and were dancing with joy when it went down, and the white van packed full of explosive that was stopped on the bridge, three people arrested and then let go, tells a very different story.

OMG never laughed so much in all my life.

Ha ha ha

Have a good laugh, it's what fools do.

risingsun wrote:Have a good laugh, it's what fools do.

At someone who hates jews like you do.
Yes, I do laugh at how gullible you are sassy
have you told Eddie you think Israel carried out 9/11?
You seriously are very antisemtic Sassy.

The worst thing is you wish to excuse the terrorists that carried out this attack.
That makes you an apologist to Al Qeada

You are just a fool, who, when the wool is pulled over his eyes, asks for another layer to be added.

risingsun wrote:You are just a fool, who, when the wool is pulled over his eyes, asks for another layer to be added.

Wrong I know an idiot when I see what they believe in because it is hate allowing them to be convinced as you are.
Your hate for Israel has allowed you to be convinced to the most idiotic conspiracy theories.
This makes you ignore the evidence.
People like you make me sick, where your hate of Jews is on a par with Nazism.

So tell me Didge, how many Israelis were arrested after 9/11 ?

risingsun wrote:So tell me Didge, how many Israelis were arrested after 9/11 ?

What does it matter when they were released Sassy after seeing like many people did the first plane crash and start filming the event.
The claim to dancing is what is comical when it was Palestinians seen to be dancing after the event.
The problem with Jewish haters like you sassy is that such a view of israel being behind such an attack makes no sense.

If Israel was to orchestrate such an attack to blame someone it would do so making the attack out to be groups that want to destroy Israel  directly threatening them.

Like Hamas
Hezbollah
Iran

That would make perfect sense to then have America react to any of the 3 to destroy them, hence whay such a view you hold is idiotic

These five men knew the EXACT nature of the attacks before they happened: the date, the time, and the exact location, to the point they were pointing their videocameras at the World Trade Center and reportedly had captured BOTH plane impacts on tape. When arrested and searched by FBI agents shortly after the South Tower impact, the men were found to possess maps of Manhattan with the WTC ringed in Sharpie pen, $4300 in cash stuffed in a sock, forged passports, while explosives-sniffing dogs went "berserk". Once safely back in Israel, they admitted in an Israeli TV chat show that had been sent by their bosses to "document the event".

risingsun wrote:These five men knew the EXACT nature of the attacks before they happened: the date, the time, and the exact location, to the point they were pointing their videocameras at the World Trade Center and reportedly had captured BOTH plane impacts on tape.  When arrested and searched by FBI agents shortly after the South Tower impact, the men were found to possess maps of Manhattan with the WTC ringed in Sharpie pen, $4300  in cash stuffed in a sock, forged passports, while explosives-sniffing dogs went "berserk". Once safely back in Israel, they admitted in an Israeli TV chat show that had been sent by their bosses to "document the event".

You see what I mean?
Your hate has convinced you to the above nonsense where you have read and watched from other idiots Sassy
Like I said, it makes no sense for Israel to frame Al Qaeda.
I have read all about this as well.
There is no such case where they admitted to going to document the event.
Is this some doctored video you have lol
Strategically if they were behind this they would frame Hamas

That is fact. You can talk all the tripe you like, it happened and they went on TV and said so.

risingsun wrote:That is fact.  You can talk all the tripe you like, it happened and they went on TV and said so.

No all it proves is you are gullible because of your hate for Jews, you have wrongly allowed yourself to be convinced by lies, because of your hate.
Hitler did the very same thing trying to frame the Jews for wrongs done.
Hitler also claimed a conspiracy that the Jews were out to take over the world.
People like you never learn from history.


As I say, people like you are apologists for terrorists as proven here.

PMSL

So you are going off a claim to a translation?

Like I said sassy, how gullible are you?

Also explain the following Sassy:



WASHINGTON — FBI and CIA officials were advised in August that as many as 200 terrorists were slipping into this country and planning "a major assault on the United States," a high-ranking law enforcement official said Wednesday.
The advisory was passed on by the Mossad, Israel's intelligence agency. It cautioned that it had picked up indications of a "large-scale target" in the United States and that Americans would be "very vulnerable," the official said.
It is not known whether U.S. authorities thought the warning to be credible, or whether it contained enough details to allow counter-terrorism teams to come up with a response. But the official said the advisory linked the information "back to Afghanistan and [exiled Saudi militant] Osama bin Laden."
"There was a connection there," he said.
Separately, federal authorities are gathering evidence that suggests that a small network of individuals helped fund and protect some of the 19 suicide attackers by providing cash, documents and possibly even safe houses.

http://articles.latimes.com/2001/sep/20/news/mn-47840


As I say it is very easy to unravel porr conspiracies.
The biggest problem is again it makes little sense for israel, as they would have framed someone like Hamas or iran.

The translation is correct. So, you tell me how they knew in advance, so that they could go and film and document, an attack that took the world by surprise.

risingsun wrote:The translation is correct.  So, you tell me how they knew in advance, so that they could go and film and document, an attack that took the world by surprise.

Is it? And you expect people to be convinced by you saying so lol.
Seriously how gullible are you?
They did not know anything in advance, that is a false claim by you made up in your desperate attempt to frame Israel.

Again as seen it makes no sense to frame Al-Qaeda for Israel.
This is what is so bad about conspiracies.

Let me see some evidence.
People filming an event does not mean israel was behind 9/11





Again i find it appalling you excuse the real terrorists of 9/11 Al Qaeda and disgustingly blame Israel.

That m,akes you sick in the head Sassy.


Right am off home now

risingsun wrote:That is fact.  You can talk all the tripe you like, it happened and they went on TV and said so.

So didge, why isn't this "evidence" and "facts" enough for you? These men went on TV and said so???
You love to deal in facts until they are facts that you don't like!

How do you dispute this fact?

I don't understand why there are some "facts" that people will believe and not others??
These men are on TV stating their claims and didge disbelieve it, yet will believe a footage of someone they are OBL and that they are responsible (even though he'd denied it a few times at first!!)

eddie wrote:

risingsun wrote:That is fact.  You can talk all the tripe you like, it happened and they went on TV and said so.

So didge, why isn't this "evidence" and "facts" enough for you? These men went on TV and said so???
You love to deal in facts until they are facts that you don't like!

How do you dispute this fact?

What facts Eddie?
So yes you take a recording of which you cannot even translate as proof now?
Seriously, do you call that a fact?

eddie wrote:I don't understand why there are some "facts" that people will believe and not others??
These men are on TV stating their claims and didge disbelieve it, yet will believe a footage of someone they are OBL and that they are responsible (even though he'd denied it a few times at first!!)

There is your problem though Eddie
Its not just Bin laden that claimed responsibility for 9/11 from Al Qaeda.
You then have to explain why they still hold the view they carried out the attack
This again ignores all the evidence.
So I guess you think the Israeli's did it too.
I have to say I am appalled.

Again this is excuses Al Qaeda from carrying out the attack.

I never said Israelis did it.
I don't know who did it, do you?

You only know what you've been told by the establishment via the media.

I do know, that there are enough experts who have serious doubts that it was anyone other than America.

See, yet again Didge presumes to know what someone else thinks.  Do I think the Israeli's did it?   I believe that it is obvious that they knew about it in advance, but it could not have been done by just them, too big a job.  The fact that the owner of the Twin Towers had lunch there every day with his daughter, but stopped her going and didn't go himself that day.  He had bought it six months previously, although it was not a prize, having been subsidised since it went up, and had all kinds of problems that would have cost a fortune to put right.

It was well-known by the city of New York that the WTC was an asbestos bombshell. For years, the Port Authority treated the building like an aging dinosaur, attempting on several occasions to get permits to demolish the building for liability reasons, but being turned down due the known asbestos problem. Further, it was well-known the only reason the building was still standing until 9/11 was because it was too costly to disassemble the twin towers floor by floor since the Port Authority was prohibited legally from demolishing the buildings.  (Artic Beacon)

More about him and what he made out of it:  http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/silverstein.html

When it came to the Pentagon, the Israelis could not have done that, but neither did any plane.  The original photos of the hole in the building, before the collapse of doors and windows round the hole, was simply not big enough to let a plane through.

eddie wrote:I never said Israelis did it.
I don't know who did it, do you?

You only know what you've been told by the establishment via the media.

I do know, that there are enough experts who have serious doubts that it was anyone other than America.

Here we go again, what experts?
I know what I have researched and can understand from the evidence myself.
You though have been convinced by someone, whether in person, online etc.
This then stops you looking at anything objectively.
The difference is I can accept I can be wrong and if I turned out to be wrong, it has been one of the most poorly executed criminal acts by a US Government, that is so far fetched most rational people would clearly not believe it.
You though Eddie are convinced even when evidence refutes claims you believe point to a conspiracy.
I have show already this on the military aircraft where there is irrefutable evidence they did fly that day and what did you do? You denied it based off some video you watched. Do you even understand how many people would need to be involved in just covering up military aircraft being in the air? The pilots, the air controllers, many in the air force all according to you lying. It shows you are convinced already it is a cover up and when face with evidence that refutes you on that point, you deny the facts Eddie.

That is not being objectionable, you are dismissing evidence which is true.

The one reason I know more than anything this is not a cover up, is because of one person I class as a traitor.

Edward Snowden.


He had no problem telling the world what his government was up to.
He even goes on about 9/11 intelligence was known something was going to happen with Al Qaeda and they failed to react. He does not claim a cover up and would know from the access he had to secret information. He would of brought this to the attention of the world first before anything else, if the US government was behind the attack or as sassy believes the Israeli's. In the hundreds of thousands of files he downloaded nothing and I mean nothing shows the US committed this act.
This more than anything should make the likes of sassy and yourself stop and think.
A defector downloading countless intelligence and did it to tell the world of what he believed was wrong.
He would have said the conspiracy theories are right. He never did
What he did do was rightly question and is critical how the intelligence failed to act to a known threat of an Al Qaeda attack.



That is why the conspiracy theories are wrong Eddie


That is why Sassy has been convinced with hate of Israel that denies her looking at the evidence objectionably.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/05/28/edward-snowden-september-11_n_5407692.html

The thing is Eddie, he's a sheep who follows what he is told without question.  The evidence quite definitely points to it NOT being what the Bush administration wants you to believe it is.  But you could put any amount of evidence in front of him and he'd bleat 'the powers that be know best, I must follow and be subservient and never look for myself'.  He's a cap doffer, a gullible fool who believes what he is told to believe.

Lets also add to Edward Snowden who gave information to the world?
Julian Assange:

His obsession with secrecy, both in others and maintaining his own, lends him the air of a conspiracy theorist. Is he one? "I believe in facts about conspiracies," he says, choosing his words slowly. "Any time people with power plan in secret, they are conducting a conspiracy. So there are conspiracies everywhere. There are also crazed conspiracy theories. It's important not to confuse these two. Generally, when there's enough facts about a conspiracy we simply call this news." What about 9/11? "I'm constantly annoyed that people are distracted by false conspiracies such as 9/11, when all around we provide evidence of real conspiracies, for war or mass financial fraud." What about the Bilderberg conference? "That is vaguely conspiratorial, in a networking sense. We have published their meeting notes."


http://911blogger.com/news/2010-07-22/wikileaks-founder-julian-assange-annoyed-911-truth



Two people with masses of information, and neither claim a conspiracy.


That is what you call checkmate

risingsun wrote:The thing is Eddie, he's a sheep who follows what he is told without question.  The evidence quite definitely points to it NOT being what the Bush administration wants you to believe it is.  But you could put any amount of evidence in front of him and he'd bleat 'the powers that be know best, I must follow and be subservient and never look for myself'.  He's a cap doffer, a gullible fool who believes what he is told to believe.

I think you will find I have just proved how gullible you are.
As neither Edward Snowden or Julian Assange clarify any of your views.
So if catching you out badly makes me a fool, then clearly you are just the puppet on my string

Only to you Didge. There would have been no papers for Wikileaks to find about 9/11.

Oh bless, Didge is on his merry go round again, we've got to the 'you are my puppet stage'. Here we go round the mulberry bush ............... lol

risingsun wrote:The thing is Eddie, he's a sheep who follows what he is told without question.  The evidence quite definitely points to it NOT being what the Bush administration wants you to believe it is.  But you could put any amount of evidence in front of him and he'd bleat 'the powers that be know best, I must follow and be subservient and never look for myself'.  He's a cap doffer, a gullible fool who believes what he is told to believe.

I am starting to see that didge doesn't ever deter from what he thinks he knows.
He only thinks his facts are facts!
Any other facts are disregarded by him.

He does seem to follow the path of what he's told to believe.
I'm suprised tbh as I thought he'd be more open-minded

risingsun wrote:Only to you Didge.  There would have been no papers for Wikileaks to find about 9/11.

You see, my point is proven.
A mass cover up with no paper evidence or intelligence that Snowden downloaded.
Face with these damning facts, sassy still is convinced its a conspiracy.
That proves my point about conspiracy theorists. Its more about who has convinced them and when this happens, evidence that clearly refutes their claims is brushed aside with the poorest answers.

I have no need to say anymore on this and it proves you are clutching at straws sassy.

eddie wrote:

risingsun wrote:The thing is Eddie, he's a sheep who follows what he is told without question.  The evidence quite definitely points to it NOT being what the Bush administration wants you to believe it is.  But you could put any amount of evidence in front of him and he'd bleat 'the powers that be know best, I must follow and be subservient and never look for myself'.  He's a cap doffer, a gullible fool who believes what he is told to believe.

I am starting to see that didge doesn't ever deter from what he thinks he knows.
He only thinks his facts are facts!
Any other facts are disregarded by him.

He does seem to follow the path of what he's told to believe.
I'm suprised tbh as I thought he'd be more open-minded

So no answer to my posts.
Instead you badly deflect and talk about me Eddie.
I'm flattered
You are now both ignoring damning points and deflecting the debate.
Like I said research objectively and you will see the conspiracy theories are wrong and just do not add up, but enjoy talking about me Eddie lol


Take care ladies and enjoy, as I say I have no need to say anymore

You're theories add up?
So do the ones that show the opposite
That's what you keep denying

I don't know what happened for sure
Do you???

"FOLLOW the money trail".

Osama bin Laden established al Qaeda with his family inheritance after splitting from the family business..

al Qaeda financed and organised the 9/11 atrocities, after arranging the Taliban-run training for many of their operatives..   Doesn't matter what you gullible conspiracy sheeple may think to the contrary !

IRRESPECTIVE of whether or not bin Laden had any 'direct' role in actually organising the attacks themselves is irrelevant at the end of day -  as the titular head of al Qaeda at the time, "the buck stops with him" !

FACT..

Lone Wolf wrote:

"FOLLOW the money trail".

Osama bin Laden established al Qaeda with his family inheritance after splitting from the family business..

al Qaeda financed and organised the 9/11 atrocities, after arranging the Taliban-run training for many of their operatives..   Doesn't matter what you gullible conspiracy sheeple may think to the contrary !

IRRESPECTIVE of whether or not bin Laden had any 'direct' role in actually organising the attacks themselves is irrelevant at the end of day -  as the titular head of al Qaeda at the time, "the buck stops with him" !

FACT..

That is my understanding, too. Bin Laden knew nothing about 9/11 personally, but indirectly his money helped to support and arrange the effort.

If he knew nothing....then who was responsible for the attacks??

Bin Laden would have known about the attack to a certain extent mainly as a result of providing the funds to do it all. Islamic terrorists carried out the attacks but the deeper question is did the authorities know it was being planned and on what day it was likely to take place.
The Israeli guys filmig the attack from the roof of a van certainly had questions to answer and in my opinion they did know.
There is so much smoke and mirrors surrounding what went on no-one can say for certain that this that or the other is the plain truth. We'll probably never know.

Irn Bru wrote:Bin Laden would have known about the attack to a certain extent mainly as a result of providing the funds to do it all. Islamic terrorists carried out the attacks but the deeper question is did the authorities know it was being planned and on what day it was likely to take place.
The Israeli guys filmig the attack from the roof of a van certainly had questions to answer and in my opinion they did know.
There is so much smoke and mirrors surrounding what went on no-one can say for certain that this that or the other is the plain truth. We'll probably never know.

Well it truly must be so well hidden and so many involved that even the Traitor Edward Snowden failed to uncover. I mean here is a man, I a led to believe downloaded hundreds of thousands of intelligence documents regarding countless issues' and he states clearly the US had the warning signs of an attack a failed to act on this intelligence. He is critical of the US for that. He has not come out and said the US or Israeli's had anything to do with it. Seriously, sassy and yours bias against Israel, never allows you to look objectively at anything. I can admit that in at least once incident Israel has to me committed a war crime in operation Hannibal. You too failed to look objectively.
Even Julian Assange has turned up nothing in this regard who has made it his life exposing real conspiracies.


His obsession with secrecy, both in others and maintaining his own, lends him the air of a conspiracy theorist. Is he one? "I believe in facts about conspiracies," he says, choosing his words slowly. "Any time people with power plan in secret, they are conducting a conspiracy. So there are conspiracies everywhere. There are also crazed conspiracy theories. It's important not to confuse these two. Generally, when there's enough facts about a conspiracy we simply call this news." What about 9/11? "I'm constantly annoyed that people are distracted by false conspiracies such as 9/11, when all around we provide evidence of real conspiracies, for war or mass financial fraud." What about the Bilderberg conference? "That is vaguely conspiratorial, in a networking sense. We have published their meeting notes."


I mean seriously, two of the biggest exposes of information produce nothing to point the finger at Israel knowledge or involvement, or the US Government? That is staggering, being as this would have been the first and foremost story to expose.

There is many aspects not answered, but the main points are.
Al Qaeda attacked the US.
The US it seems ignored good intelligence and to Snowden could have prevented 9/11
That would rightly be a failing by the US, but lets face it, the main facts are know.

Cuchulain wrote:

Irn Bru wrote:Bin Laden would have known about the attack to a certain extent mainly as a result of providing the funds to do it all. Islamic terrorists carried out the attacks but the deeper question is did the authorities know it was being planned and on what day it was likely to take place.
The Israeli guys filmig the attack from the roof of a van certainly had questions to answer and in my opinion they did know.
There is so much smoke and mirrors surrounding what went on no-one can say for certain that this that or the other is the plain truth. We'll probably never know.

Well it truly must be so well hidden and so many involved that even the Traitor Edward Snowden failed to uncover. I mean here is a man, I a led to believe downloaded hundreds of thousands of intelligence documents regarding countless issues' and he states clearly the US had the warning signs of an attack a failed to act on this intelligence. He is critical of the US for that. He has not come out and said the US or Israeli's had anything to do with it. Seriously, sassy and yours bias against Israel, never allows you to look objectively at anything. I can admit that in at least once incident Israel has to me committed a war crime in operation Hannibal. You too failed to look objectively.
Even Julian Assange has turned up nothing in this regard who has made it his life exposing real conspiracies.


His obsession with secrecy, both in others and maintaining his own, lends him the air of a conspiracy theorist. Is he one? "I believe in facts about conspiracies," he says, choosing his words slowly. "Any time people with power plan in secret, they are conducting a conspiracy. So there are conspiracies everywhere. There are also crazed conspiracy theories. It's important not to confuse these two. Generally, when there's enough facts about a conspiracy we simply call this news." What about 9/11? "I'm constantly annoyed that people are distracted by false conspiracies such as 9/11, when all around we provide evidence of real conspiracies, for war or mass financial fraud." What about the Bilderberg conference? "That is vaguely conspiratorial, in a networking sense. We have published their meeting notes."


I mean seriously, two of the biggest exposes of information produce nothing to point the finger at Israel knowledge or involvement, or the US Government? That is staggering, being as this would have been the first and foremost story to expose.

There is many aspects not answered, but the main points are.
Al Qaeda attacked the US.
The US it seems ignored good intelligence and to Snowden could have prevented 9/11
That would rightly be a failing by the US, but lets face it, the main facts are know.

This is true and there are questions about what the Israeli guys were up to doing the filming. I'm not saying they did it - just that they may well have known it was about to take place.

Irn Bru wrote:Bin Laden would have known about the attack to a certain extent mainly as a result of providing the funds to do it all. Islamic terrorists carried out the attacks...

Bin Laden was hosting many, many terrorist gigs, many of which did not even come to fruition. But he did not participate in the planning, nor did he even have knowledge of all of them.  

Everyone immediately jumped to the conclusion that because he financed some of al Qaeda, he was privy to all knowledge about the plans. He was not. His role was more as a purse for the organization.  Focus on bin Laden had more to do with the west needing a villain to personify al Qaeda, than the reality of the situation.

I think there was a huge cover up about 9/11 and most people don't know half the information that's out there.  

For example, only two years ago video of firefighters talking on 9/11 that said bombs went off in the towers before it collapsed was finally very reluctantly released:


9/11 Firefighters Reveal Bombs Destroyed WTC lobby
by Michael Suede • July 28, 2013

   Newly obtained video that was reluctantly released by NIST after a lawsuit by the International Center for 9/11 Studies shows two firefighters on 9/11 discussing how secondary explosions occurred immediately before the collapse of the twin towers, providing damning new evidence that explosive devices were used to bring down the buildings. Firemen discuss how bombs were going off in the lobby of WTC1 as they were staging to move up the building. They explain how the building had already been hit by the plane and fires were already burning. After two explosions in the lobby, a third went off and the whole lobby collapsed. I’m sorry 9/11 truth deniers, you now have another smoking gun that you can’t deny!



R1: What happened?

FM1: There was an explosion.  We was in the lobby, and then *scrunch*, the whole lobby collapsed in on us.

R2: What was it like?

FM1: Horrible. It was horrible.

FM2: Like hell.

FM1: The whole building just collapsed on us… Inside the lobby.

R1: Was that a secondary explosion?

FM1: Yes it was.  Definitely a secondary explosion.  We was inside waiting to go upstairs, and on our way upstairs, the whole fucking thing blew.  It just collapsed on everybody inside the lobby.

R1: Someone took the first tower coming down, secondary explosion?

FM1: I don’t know about the first one, but the second one, it was terrible.  There was a third one too after that one.

R2: There was an explosion after that?

FM1: That’s right.  Everybody was inside the building, waiting to go upstairs.  And it just let loose, everything just let loose inside the building.

R1: So what you’re telling me is that there was a plane, or whatever,  hit the building, and then a secondary explosion.

FM1: It was like THREE explosions after that.  We came in there after the fire.  We came in there when the fire was going on already.  We was in the staging area inside the building.  Waiting to go upstairs.  Then there was a second explosion, and the whole lobby collapsed on the lobby inside.

R1: Just mayhem after that?

FM1: Just mayhem.  Everybody tried to work their way out.  A lot of people was trapped inside.

FM3: *unintelligible* I was near Brooklyn, we watched the first explosion.  As we were watching the buildings, I saw a black, very large airplane, fly right into the second building.  It came out of the south.  Right in front of our eyes.  It was so surreal, just like a movie set.

R1: Second and third explosions also right?

FM3: We were in the building for the third one, the collapse.  I was on this drive here for the other one.

FM2: People don’t understand, there may be more.  Any one of these fucking buildings could blow up.  This ain’t done yet.

R2: As far as disasters go, how does this?

FM1:  This is one of the top disasters, it could be no worse than this.  There could be nothing no more worse than this.  We in the building trying to help people and there was an explosion inside the buildings.  I don’t think it can get any worse than this.


Want to hear a few more firefighters?






https://www.libertariannews.org/2013/07/28/911-firefighters-reveal-bombs-destroyed-wtc-lobby/

It's true, there are some things that have never been satifactoraly explained. Take the Israeli van for example where there were people filming the WTC attack.
When it was stopped and searched they founfd it was full of stuff that had absolutely nothing to do with a small remoaval comany which is what they were supposed to be running. They found...

Bomb Suts

Explosive residue

Swabs

Tickets for them all out of the USA next day

Thousands of dollars

Notice to quit their premises 10 Sept

Forged documents

Expired visas

They were illegally in the USA

Thay continually lied

They failed lie detector tests

All of them arrived in the USA originally from South America

Later one of their vans also stopped heading down the hghway towards the site where FL93 crashed

They had connections to a company in Florida that had connectionsd with the firm  involved in the training of the Hijackers

I've got the file on that somewhere and I'll look it out but right now I'm off up the club for a couple of pints so I'll do it when I get back