The Christian/Islamic/Jewish God is Either Impotent or Evil

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKXZ8KuvY7E

I've seen this video before, spine tingling. Amazing how anyone can believe in a loving, caring, all-powerful god after seeing/hearing that.

are they claiming it is the same God, if they are they are wrong to start with..

I also add Jewish and Islamic because the same argument can be applied.


Indeed Eilzel, its terrifying what people actually believe when you think about it.
There is no defense here and if this God exists and is all powerful, then it is the embodiment of pure evil.

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:are they claiming it is the same God, if they are they are wrong to start with..

That shows you did not watch the video.

I am saying you can apply many of the same arguments to both the Islamic and Jewish God.

Belatucadros wrote:

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:are they claiming it is the same God, if they are they are wrong to start with..

That shows you did not watch the video.

I am saying you can apply many of the same arguments to both the Islamic and Jewish God.

you can if you are a stupid, nazi, bigot...

Why not just watch the video then comment on it?

Eilzel wrote:Why not just watch the video then comment on it?

They are too afraid.
I think its fitting that there is a thread here warning of the dangers of religion.

My favorite.

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:

Belatucadros wrote:



That shows you did not watch the video.

I am saying you can apply many of the same arguments to both the Islamic and Jewish God.

you can if you are a stupid, nazi, bigot...

What do you reckon HF? Are you and VOD going to bother with this thread, or just see it for what it is?

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:

Belatucadros wrote:



That shows you did not watch the video.

I am saying you can apply many of the same arguments to both the Islamic and Jewish God.

you can if you are a stupid, nazi, bigot...

Interesting that you bring up Nazi:



The German Churches and the Nazi State

The population of Germany in 1933 was around 60 million. Almost all Germans were Christian, belonging either to the Roman Catholic (ca. 20 million members) or the Protestant (ca. 40 million members) churches. The Jewish community in Germany in 1933 was less than 1% of the total population of the country.
How did Christians and their churches in Germany respond to the Nazi regime and its laws, particularly to the persecution of the Jews? The racialized anti-Jewish Nazi ideology converged with antisemitism that was historically widespread throughout Europe at the time and had deep roots in Christian history. For all too many Christians, traditional interpretations of religious scriptures seemed to support these prejudices.

The attitudes and actions of German Catholics and Protestants during the Nazi era were shaped not only by their religious beliefs, but by other factors as well, including:
•Backlash against the Weimar Republic and the political, economic, and social changes in Germany that occurred during the 1920s
•Anti-Communism
•Nationalism
•Resentment toward the international community in the wake of World War I, which Germany lost and for which it was forced to pay heavy reparations
These were some of the reasons why most Christians in Germany welcomed the rise of Nazism in 1933. They were also persuaded by the statement on “positive Christianity” in Article 24 of the 1920 Nazi Party Platform, which read:

"We demand the freedom of all religious confessions in the state, insofar as they do not jeopardize the state's existence or conflict with the manners and moral sentiments of the Germanic race. The Party as such upholds the point of view of a positive Christianity without tying itself confessionally to any one confession. It combats the Jewish-materialistic spirit at home and abroad and is convinced that a permanent recovery of our people can only be achieved from within on the basis of the common good before individual good."


Despite the open antisemitism of this statement and its linkage between confessional "freedom" and a nationalistic, racialized understanding of morality, many Christians in Germany at the time read this as an affirmation of Christian values.



http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10005206

Nazi Germany

First, as an absolute knockdown Nazi Germany was not even an atheist state. Germany was a 95% Christian country when it went to war in 1939. As Christopher Hitchens was fond of pointing out, the first Treaty signed by the Nazi regime was with the Catholic Church exchanging political influence for control of German education. Hitler ascribed his victories to divine Providence, and encouraged his own personal deification. Soldiers had "Gott mit uns" ("God with us") inscribed on their belt buckles, and party members took the following oath under God: "I swear in the name of almighty God, my loyalty to the Fuhrer." Hitler was explicit: Nazi Germany was, and would always be, a Christian nation.

Historians, such as biographer John Toland, cite Hitler's Catholic background as having an influence on his fervent anti-Semitism. Following meetings with Hitler, General Gerhard Engel and Cardinal Michael von Faulhaber wrote that Hitler was a believer in God. The references to Hitler's contempt for Christianity in the memoirs of some of his confidantes seem to be the root of the association of Nazism with nonbelief.  However, these references are at odds with his public announcements and the memories of some of his other contemporaries. Although his personal religious views varied throughout his life, Nazi public policy contained a consistent commitment to Christianity. The Party developed Positive Christianity which involved a hard line reinterpretation of Scripture that was particularly anti-Semitic with a trajectory towards deifying the Fuhrer himself who was said by Hanns Kerrl, Reichsminister of Church Affairs, to be the "herald of a new revelation."

Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord. (Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Ralph Manheim, ed., New York, 1998, p. 65)

Hitler did not act alone. Using propaganda he fanned the flames of popular Christian anti-Semitism, and promoted a policy of racial purity and Arian superiority. As a scapegoat for the humiliation Germany suffered at Versailles, Jews were reviled as subhuman, commonly held to be treacherous creatures, undeserving of pity--beliefs which made the Final Solution possible. The views of Hitler on Jews are hardly unique or un-Christian, but rather are a product of the centuries of Christianity which preceded him. Consider the 1543 anti-Jewish Pamphlet by Martin Luther "On the Jews and Their Lies" wherein he referred to Jews as "poisonous bitter worms," "miserable and accursed people," "brood of vipers" [see Matt. 3:7], "truly stupid fools," "nothing but thieves and robbers," "great vermin of human ordinances," and " lazy rogues." In dealing with Jews, Martin Luther recommended:

First to set fire to their synagogues or schools and to bury and cover with dirt whatever will not burn, so that no man will ever again see a stone or cinder of them. This is to be done in honor of our Lord and of Christendom ...

Second, I advise that their houses also be razed and destroyed.

Third, I advise that all their prayer books and Talmudic writings, in which such idolatry, lies, cursing and blasphemy are taught, be taken from them.

Fourth, I advise that their rabbis be forbidden to teach henceforth on pain of loss of life and limb.

Fifth, I advise that safe conduct on the highways be abolished completely for the Jews."

Sixth, I advise that usury be prohibited to them, and that all cash and treasure of silver and gold be taken from them and put aside for safekeeping.

Seventh ... letting them earn their bread in the sweat of their brow ...

["The Jews and Their Lies"]

The pamphlet "Jews and Their Lies" was displayed at Nazi Nuremberg rallies, and the scholarly view is that it had a major influence on German attitudes to Jews from the Reformation to the Holocaust (see: Wallmann, Johannes. "The Reception of Luther's Writings on the Jews from the Reformation to the End of the 19th Century," Lutheran Quarterly, n.s. 1, Spring 1987). So the arrow flung at atheism for Nazi atrocities might, at least in part, be redirected towards historical Christian anti-Semitism, not to mention the other drivers of Nazism: Nationalism, humiliation at Versailles, racial purity, Utopian ideals, Fascism, and the cult of personality of Hitler himself. Nazi Germany was not an atheist regime or an atheist country, and it was not motivated by atheism.

http://infidels.org/kiosk/article/the-fallacy-of-the-20th-century-atheist-regimes-898.html

Raggamuffin wrote:

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:

you can if you are a stupid, nazi, bigot...

What do you reckon HF? Are you and VOD going to bother with this thread, or just see it for what it is?

this thread is total garbage

As seen the posters who are religious are too scared to watch the videos and then counter the views made.
I would say that was the best evidence you will find of a lack of faith in people and in their belief system.

my grandma says this

Sorry to hear Dibs, which does not say much for your husband really does it if you are bored in his company.

Belatucadros wrote:Sorry to hear Dibs, which does not say much for your husband really does it if you are bored in his company.

your thread is boring. My husband is still at work

Vicar of Dibley wrote:

Belatucadros wrote:Sorry to hear Dibs, which does not say much for your husband really does it if you are bored in his company.

your thread is boring. My husband is still at work

no need to swear at didge, you can't use the w...word... besides he is probably too sick to work...ooops i said it myself...

Vicar of Dibley wrote:

Belatucadros wrote:Sorry to hear Dibs, which does not say much for your husband really does it if you are bored in his company.

your thread is boring. My husband is still at work

That is because you are too afraid to take on the points.
I thought you were both strong in faith?
Seems you are making the poorest excuses here not to take on the points made Dibs

No problem, you may find boring others will certainly find very interesting.

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:

Vicar of Dibley wrote:
your thread is boring. My husband is still at work

no need to swear at didge, you can't use the w...word... besides he is probably too sick to work...ooops i said it myself...

Interesting. I do work thank you, but have you got something against people too sick to work now?
Are you mocking many people who have disabilities now?

And he wonders why people would leave in droves if he became a mod with such unChristian comments such as above.

Boo hoo!

Just to underline the naiveness of religious faith etc read this bit about the girl who stripped off on Mt. Kinabalu:

"Borneo's dominant indigenous tribe, the Dusun, claim the westerners' behaviour on the mountain, regarded by them as the resting place of the dead, upset their gods and caused a 5.9 earthquake days later which killed 18 people and left hundreds stranded."

And that is the kind of thing which the OT is based on, and people believe such nonsense. Not surprising we knock you?

Joshua and the batlle of Jericho is a fine example. Whilst blowing his trumpet there was probably an earthquake, 'and the walls came tumbling down.'

dont talk daft star....


EVERYONE knows old Josh was given a sonic weapon by the flying spahetti monster.....

Hi Mentor, you had me in fits of laughter there. Love it.

Are you sure it wasn't Bigfoot?