Taking the meaning of racism too far.

Syl wrote:I understand that the investigation cleared the girls of any racial intent, they were posing with face masks on, they could have been white/green/any colour face masks....they just happened to be black.

Raggamuffin wrote:It's not the fault of white people that Dead Sea mud is black.

Syl wrote:

Didge wrote:


Her post shows she failed to understand that by trying to compare this to black students whitening up their faces, would be moot based on nobody would think or reason they were being racist, because there simply is centuries of blacks demeaning whites in America

The point you keep missing at everyturn

It would only have relevance where there had been centuries of racism against whites by blacks and shows, plays, musicals where whites were demeaned by painting up black peoples faces.

That is why to try to compare something that from the start is not even comparable, and why to bring this up is moot.

I understand fully, so stop being so patronising.
I was not comparing black girls wearing white face masks to white girls wearing black face masks....simply pointing out that face masks come in all colours and can be worn by anyone.

Are you on the Wisconsin university panel for stating bullshit Didge?...you should be.

Didge wrote:

Syl wrote:

I don't think Didge even reads my posts, he just likes to argue.
The other night he demanded to know why I would not answer his question...and he posted that under the quote where I HAD answered his question....

Tha is conceding above, talking around

Always a massive indicator the other person now looks to deflect with poor attempts at humour and mocking

Checkmate

eddie wrote:Quill can you tell me how you know what they were thinking, or their intention, from that picture?

eddie wrote:

Didge wrote:


OMG point so far above Eddies head, it has now reached the moon

Show the history in the US of centuries or civil rights being denied, being treated as near abject slaves?

That is your starting poiint to even male any view that this could cause offense to whites based off any history?

The point wasn't over my head at all, I'm not stupid

But you presumed that the black woman with the white mask wasn't having a dig at white people.
Why is that?

Syl wrote:

Didge wrote:

Tha is conceding above, talking around

Always a massive indicator the other person now looks to deflect with poor attempts at humour and mocking

Checkmate

I don't understand half of the above post...it doesn't make sense.
The other half is wrong too.

Original Quill wrote:

Syl wrote:I understand that the investigation cleared the girls of any racial intent, they were posing with face masks on, they could have been white/green/any colour face masks....they just  happened to be black.

Raggamuffin wrote:It's not the fault of white people that Dead Sea mud is black.

So many red herrings, so little time…

We are not talking about cosmetics.  If we were, there would be no story.  We are talking about two children borrowing on the historical persecution of black people to make a joke.

As I say, I chalk it up to the clumsiness of youth.  But the significance and history should not be deterred by false leads and red herring diversions.

eddie wrote:

eddie wrote:Quill can you tell me how you know what they were thinking, or their intention, from that picture?

Please.

Original Quill wrote:

eddie wrote:

The point wasn't over my head at all, I'm not stupid

But you presumed that the black woman with the white mask wasn't having a dig at white people.
Why is that?

Because it doesn't relate to anything.  There's no history.  It's not code for anything.  It's just a hollow mirror-image argument, intended to throw the point off-course.

Original Quill wrote:

eddie wrote:

Didge wrote:


OMG point so far above Eddies head, it has now reached the moon

Show the history in the US of centuries or civil rights being denied, being treated as near abject slaves?

That is your starting poiint to even male any view that this could cause offense to whites based off any history?

The point wasn't over my head at all, I'm not stupid

But you presumed that the black woman with the white mask wasn't having a dig at white people.
Why is that?

Because it doesn't relate to anything.  There's no history.  It's not code for anything.  It's just a hollow mirror-image argument, intended to throw the point off-course.

Didge wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

eddie wrote:

The point wasn't over my head at all, I'm not stupid

But you presumed that the black woman with the white mask wasn't having a dig at white people.
Why is that?

Because it doesn't relate to anything.  There's no history.  It's not code for anything.  It's just a hollow mirror-image argument, intended to throw the point off-course.

Exactly

The worst part in all this is their complete lack of understanding of American history

Original Quill wrote:

Syl wrote:I understand that the investigation cleared the girls of any racial intent, they were posing with face masks on, they could have been white/green/any colour face masks....they just  happened to be black.

Raggamuffin wrote:It's not the fault of white people that Dead Sea mud is black.

So many red herrings, so little time…

We are not talking about cosmetics.  If we were, there would be no story.  We are talking about two children borrowing on the historical persecution of black people to make a joke.

As I say, I chalk it up to the clumsiness of youth.  But the significance and history should not be deterred by false leads and red herring diversions.

eddie wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Because it doesn't relate to anything.  There's no history.  It's not code for anything.  It's just a hollow mirror-image argument, intended to throw the point off-course.

So just because white people have a history (well before the people pictured were born) of racism, this automatically means they were being racist?

So every single time a white person puts on a face mask that is black-coloured, they are being racist, yes? Taking the piss out of blacks, yes?

Do you realise how desperate that sounds?

eddie wrote:

Didge wrote:



Exactly

The worst part in all this is their complete lack of understanding of American history

WE UNDERSTAND THE HISTORY BUT HOW DOES THAT MAKE SOMEONE WEARING A BLACK FACE MASK, RACIST?

Didge wrote:it clearly was a stupid prank and they certainly it seems did not set out to offend anyone, but clearly they are very ignorant though, as what they did would be jumped on like a rash, especially when racial tensions have been running extremely high over the last year in the US. So they are certainly not excused on the grounds of being naive and stupid.

As to the point on white paint? How many black or white people paint the vast majority of the face in white? So to say whether or not two black girls painting their face white would not receive the same reaction is blatantly obvious why it would not. Neglecting the fact no black girls have anyway, rendering such an assumption redundant. There is little history of racism against whites groups in the US, except some minority groups like the Irish, Italians etc, off though other white groups. There is nothing to compare decades of white racism against blacks. So nobody would bat an eyelid if it was two black girls, because there is no history or cause to create an offense. Yet there is when white people do so, as it has had countless times such mockery against black people..

Some people need to try and imagine what it is like having black skin, being judged automatically by countless people. How they are discriminated against at every level. Try walking in their shoes to see why people would likely react to such stupidity by these two boys. Yes it was not intentional by them, but it certainly shows a lack intelligence not thinking for one second, that people would not respond to the blackening up of faces

Didge wrote:

eddie wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Because it doesn't relate to anything.  There's no history.  It's not code for anything.  It's just a hollow mirror-image argument, intended to throw the point off-course.

So just because white people have a history (well before the people pictured were born) of racism, this automatically means they were being racist?

So every single time a white person puts on a face mask that is black-coloured, they are being racist, yes? Taking the piss out of blacks, yes?

Do you realise how desperate that sounds?

Holy crap on a cracker

Again everyone has agreed they were not being racist, but because of said history it can be easily seen that this could have been racist

Seriously, stop, take a deep breath and understand what is being said

eddie wrote:Actually without knowing these people, you're looking at a black face mask and seeing a black person.

Perhaps it's you who are racist!

Never mind, I'm sure when I put my yellow one on someone will call the police and say I'm mocking the Chinese

eddie wrote:

Didge wrote:



Exactly

The worst part in all this is their complete lack of understanding of American history

WE UNDERSTAND THE HISTORY BUT HOW DOES THAT MAKE SOMEONE WEARING A BLACK FACE MASK, RACIST?

Didge wrote:

eddie wrote:

Didge wrote:



Exactly

The worst part in all this is their complete lack of understanding of American history

WE UNDERSTAND THE HISTORY BUT HOW DOES THAT MAKE SOMEONE WEARING A BLACK FACE MASK, RACIST?

I suggest you go back, re-read what I have said and then apologise for shouting and mistaking many points I have made

eddie wrote:

Didge wrote:



Holy crap on a cracker

Again everyone has agreed they were not being racist, but because of said history it can be easily seen that this could have been racist

Seriously, stop, take a deep breath and understand what is being said

Could have.

Exactly didge.
COULD  HAVE.

I COULD  have been a bloke if I was born with a cock.

eddie wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Because it doesn't relate to anything.  There's no history.  It's not code for anything.  It's just a hollow mirror-image argument, intended to throw the point off-course.

So just because white people have a history (well before the people pictured were born) of racism, this automatically means they were being racist?

eddie wrote:So every single time a white person puts on a face mask that is black-coloured, they are being racist, yes? Taking the piss out of blacks, yes?

eddie wrote:Do you realise how desperate that sounds?

eddie wrote:

Didge wrote:


I suggest you go back, re-read what I have said and then apologise for shouting and mistaking many points I have made

The caps were for Quill. He's a bit.....Erm......blind when it comes to race issues

I'm wearing a black top. Oh no. I'm trying to be black!! Think of the HISTORY!!!

eddie wrote:

Didge wrote:


I suggest you go back, re-read what I have said and then apologise for shouting and mistaking many points I have made

The caps were for Quill. He's a bit.....Erm......blind when it comes to race issues

I'm wearing a black top. Oh no. I'm trying to be black!! Think of the HISTORY!!!

Didge wrote:it clearly was a stupid prank and they certainly it seems did not set out to offend anyone, but clearly they are very ignorant though, as what they did would be jumped on like a rash, especially when racial tensions have been running extremely high over the last year in the US. So they are certainly not excused on the grounds of being naive and stupid.
[b]
As to the point on white paint? How many black or white people paint the vast majority of the face in white? So to say whether or not two black girls painting their face white would not receive the same reaction is blatantly obvious why it would not. Neglecting the fact no black girls have anyway, rendering such an assumption redundant[/b]. There is little history of racism against whites groups in the US, except some minority groups like the Irish, Italians etc, off though other white groups. There is nothing to compare decades of white racism against blacks. So nobody would bat an eyelid if it was two black girls, because there is no history or cause to create an offense. Yet there is when white people do so, as it has had countless times such mockery against black people..

Some people need to try and imagine what it is like having black skin, being judged automatically by countless people. How they are discriminated against at every level. Try walking in their shoes to see why people would likely react to such stupidity by these two boys. Yes it was not intentional by them, but it certainly shows a lack intelligence not thinking for one second, that people would not respond to the blackening up of faces

eddie wrote:I understand that due to white man's history he will forever feel he has to apologise for wearing a black face mask.

Syl wrote:

Didge wrote:it clearly was a stupid prank and they certainly it seems did not set out to offend anyone, but clearly they are very ignorant though, as what they did would be jumped on like a rash, especially when racial tensions have been running extremely high over the last year in the US. So they are certainly not excused on the grounds of being naive and stupid.
[b]
As to the point on white paint? How many black or white people paint the vast majority of the face in white? So to say whether or not two black girls painting their face white would not receive the same reaction is blatantly obvious why it would not. Neglecting the fact no black girls have anyway, rendering such an assumption redundant[/b]. There is little history of racism against whites groups in the US, except some minority groups like the Irish, Italians etc, off though other white groups. There is nothing to compare decades of white racism against blacks. So nobody would bat an eyelid if it was two black girls, because there is no history or cause to create an offense. Yet there is when white people do so, as it has had countless times such mockery against black people..

Some people need to try and imagine what it is like having black skin, being judged automatically by countless people. How they are discriminated against at every level. Try walking in their shoes to see why people would likely react to such stupidity by these two boys. Yes it was not intentional by them, but it certainly shows a lack intelligence not thinking for one second, that people would not respond to the blackening up of faces

That's why I posted the pic of the girl wearing a white mask.....not to be childish but to prove you are talking rubbish.

eddie wrote:I understand that due to white man's history he will forever feel he has to apologise for wearing a black face mask.

Didge wrote:

eddie wrote:I understand that due to white man's history he will forever feel he has to apologise for wearing a black face mask.

You said people of today who have nothing to do with should apologise?

Nobody did, but people should learn from history and understand why something is still very sensitive to African Americans.

Again have you at any time thought from their view point?

No

eddie wrote:

Didge wrote:



You said people of today who have nothing to do with should apologise?

Nobody did, but people should learn from history and understand why something is still very sensitive to African Americans.

Again have you at any time thought from their view point?

No

If a black person gets offended by me or anyone else wearing a black face mask then they are hysterical and paranoid and can go fuck themselves

I suggest you or quill write to  the company that sells the black face masks and outline your reasons for taking it off the market.

Then move on the people who make liquorice.

Raggamuffin wrote:So then, are black face packs fundamentally racist, and should they be banned?  

Syl wrote:

Didge wrote:

Syl wrote:

They haven't painted their faces black...they have face masks on. To anyone who doesn't know, a face mask is a beauty product, which left on the face till it hardens is meant to enhance the complexion.
Face masks can also be white/green/blue....the colour depends on whats in them. It's as likely that a black girl would cover her face in a white face mask as it is a white girl would her face in a black face mask.

Again what did you fail top understand how there is no comparability with racism towards whites by blacks with them demeaning them with the likes oif the black and white Minstrel. Hence why I had already said your point is meaningless, because they is no comparability with racism towards whites than there is to blacks in the US. Please do not ignore that next time as i have already explained this, as here in this picture there is no history or cause to even associate her face with racism against whites.

Do you understand that?

I understand that the investigation cleared the girls of any racial intent, they were posing with face masks on, they could have been white/green/any colour face masks....they just  happened to be black.

The same university seems to have a skewed outlook on what is racially offensive and what is not. In this case they were wrong, as are you.
Last year they banned on campus certain phrases being used...amongst them was "Everybody can succeed" in their opinion it's racist.....

Didge wrote:

Syl wrote:

That's why I posted the pic of the girl wearing a white mask.....not to be childish but to prove you are talking rubbish.

More poor insults, as seen your posting the picture of the black girls is rendered meaningless with no racist history for people to assume she was being racist, but there is countless for whites demeaning blacks, for people to think the lads could or might have been being racist

Syl wrote:

Didge wrote:


More poor insults, as seen your posting the picture of the black girls is rendered meaningless with no racist history for people to assume she was being racist, but there is countless for whites demeaning blacks, for people to think the lads could or might have been being racist

No insult from me here....you have called me dishonest and childish for posting a pic which proves you wrong.
If you don't like being corrected stop twisting what people say or do.

Syl wrote:

Didge wrote:


More poor insults, as seen your posting the picture of the black girls is rendered meaningless with no racist history for people to assume she was being racist, but there is countless for whites demeaning blacks, for people to think the lads could or might have been being racist

No insult from me here....you have called me dishonest and childish for posting a pic which proves you wrong.
If you don't like being corrected stop twisting what people say or do.

eddie wrote:

Didge wrote:

eddie wrote:I understand that due to white man's history he will forever feel he has to apologise for wearing a black face mask.

You said people of today who have nothing to do with should apologise?

Nobody did, but people should learn from history and understand why something is still very sensitive to African Americans.

Again have you at any time thought from their view point?

No

If a black person gets offended by me or anyone else wearing a black face mask then they are hysterical and paranoid and can go fuck themselves

I suggest you or quill write to  the company that sells the black face masks and outline your reasons for taking it off the market.

Then move on the people who make liquorice.

Raggamuffin wrote:What's funny about these "microaggressions" is that the people who came up with the list are assuming that all black people are loud - because they're black.  

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Syl wrote:

I understand that the investigation cleared the girls of any racial intent, they were posing with face masks on, they could have been white/green/any colour face masks....they just  happened to be black.

The same university seems to have a skewed outlook on what is racially offensive and what is not. In this case they were wrong, as are you.
Last year they banned on campus certain phrases being used...amongst them was "Everybody can succeed" in their opinion it's racist.....

First of all, that wasn't even the same school.

Second of all, they didn't ban any phrases, and the referenced document isn't even there anymore.

It's notable that every website even to make this claim has a clear political agenda. It's also notable that most of them don't quote the entire phrase:

"Everyone can succeed in this society, if they work hard enough." ...

... or why they might take offense to it -- seeing that it implies that the only barrier to success is your shameful laziness, you lazy minority ...

But all they asked was that their faculty read their list of "microaggressions," they didn't have some kind of 1984 scenario going on.

Original Quill wrote:

Syl wrote:

No insult from me here....you have called me dishonest and childish for posting a pic which proves you wrong.
If you don't like being corrected stop twisting what people say or do.

No one is, or should be insulting anyone.  This is the kind of lively debate that we strive for.  It's a valuable opportunity.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:

First of all, that wasn't even the same school.

Second of all, they didn't ban any phrases, and the referenced document isn't even there anymore.

It's notable that every website even to make this claim has a clear political agenda. It's also notable that most of them don't quote the entire phrase:

"Everyone can succeed in this society, if they work hard enough." ...

... or why they might take offense to it -- seeing that it implies that the only barrier to success is your shameful laziness, you lazy minority ...

But all they asked was that their faculty read their list of "microaggressions," they didn't have some kind of 1984 scenario going on.

They may well mean that the barrier to someone's success is laziness, but you're the one assuming it means laziness as a racial feature.

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:What's funny about these "microaggressions" is that the people who came up with the list are assuming that all black people are loud - because they're black.  

No they don't -- show me the language on that document that communicates the message "all black people are loud."

Raggamuffin wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Syl wrote:

I understand that the investigation cleared the girls of any racial intent, they were posing with face masks on, they could have been white/green/any colour face masks....they just  happened to be black.

The same university seems to have a skewed outlook on what is racially offensive and what is not. In this case they were wrong, as are you.
Last year they banned on campus certain phrases being used...amongst them was "Everybody can succeed" in their opinion it's racist.....

First of all, that wasn't even the same school.

Second of all, they didn't ban any phrases, and the referenced document isn't even there anymore.

It's notable that every website even to make this claim has a clear political agenda. It's also notable that most of them don't quote the entire phrase:

"Everyone can succeed in this society, if they work hard enough." ...

... or why they might take offense to it -- seeing that it implies that the only barrier to success is your shameful laziness, you lazy minority ...

But all they asked was that their faculty read their list of "microaggressions," they didn't have some kind of 1984 scenario going on.

They may well mean that the barrier to someone's success is laziness, but you're the one assuming it means laziness as a racial feature.

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Syl wrote:

I understand that the investigation cleared the girls of any racial intent, they were posing with face masks on, they could have been white/green/any colour face masks....they just  happened to be black.

The same university seems to have a skewed outlook on what is racially offensive and what is not. In this case they were wrong, as are you.
Last year they banned on campus certain phrases being used...amongst them was "Everybody can succeed" in their opinion it's racist.....

First of all, that wasn't even the same school.

Second of all, they didn't ban any phrases, and the referenced document isn't even there anymore.

It's notable that every website even to make this claim has a clear political agenda. It's also notable that most of them don't quote the entire phrase:

"Everyone can succeed in this society, if they work hard enough." ...

... or why they might take offense to it -- seeing that it implies that the only barrier to success is your shameful laziness, you lazy minority ...

But all they asked was that their faculty read their list of "microaggressions," they didn't have some kind of 1984 scenario going on.