Madeleine McCann's parents win Portuguese libel case and awarded £357k

by Guest Tue Apr 28, 2015 3:49 pm

Goncalo Amaral, the police chief who led the initial investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, has been ordered to pay her parents £357,000 in damages because of hurt caused to them following the publication of his book “The Truth of the Lie”. The Civil Court of Lisbon also banned further sale of the book in which Mr Amaral claimed Madeleine had not been abducted, but had died in an accident in Praia da Luz.
Kate and Gerry McCann launched a libel action against Mr Amaral, who was sacked from the investigation after several months of blunders, claiming they and their family had suffered emotional and psychological harm as a result of the claims made in the book.
Mr Amaral’s legal team have leave to appeal the award.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/11568725/Madeleine-McCanns-parents-awarded-357k-in-Portuguese-libel-case.html

by Raggamuffin Tue Apr 28, 2015 3:55 pm

Fair enough. You can't go around accusing people of killing their children without proof.

by Guest Tue Apr 28, 2015 3:56 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:Fair enough. You can't go around accusing people of killing their children without proof.

Agreed.

by Tommy Monk Tue Apr 28, 2015 4:01 pm

I hope he wins the appeal.

He published the facts which point to a very obvious and likely scenario.

by Guest Tue Apr 28, 2015 4:03 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:I hope he wins the appeal.

He published the facts which point to a very obvious and likely scenario.

Facts?

Clearly the courts did not think they were facts at all.

by Tommy Monk Tue Apr 28, 2015 4:11 pm

I believe the detective.

by Guest Tue Apr 28, 2015 4:15 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:

I believe the detective.

Who was sacked from the case for blunders.

Who has just lost a libel case for making unfounded accusations.

Wow, lets hope you are never in a jury.

by Raggamuffin Tue Apr 28, 2015 4:18 pm

You don't really expect the person investigating the case to write a book accusing the parents though, do you?

Mind you, that happened in the case of the murder of JonBenet Ramsey. One of the detectives on that case did a similar thing.

by Guest Tue Apr 28, 2015 4:19 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:You don't really expect the person investigating the case to write a book accusing the parents though, do you?

Mind you, that happened in the case of the murder of JonBenet Ramsey. One of the detectives on that case did a similar thing.

When making money is involved, I expect anything can happen.

by Tommy Monk Tue Apr 28, 2015 4:22 pm

I believe the detective.

by Guest Tue Apr 28, 2015 4:24 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:
I believe the detective.

Wo was sacked and has just lost a libel case.

by Raggamuffin Tue Apr 28, 2015 4:31 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:

I believe the detective.

Have you read the book Tommy?

by Tommy Monk Tue Apr 28, 2015 5:21 pm

Yes I have read it online.

by Tommy Monk Tue Apr 28, 2015 5:31 pm

Have you read it?

by Tommy Monk Tue Apr 28, 2015 5:53 pm

You can read the whole thing here...

http://ukpaedos-exposed.com/uk-child-abusers-named-and-shamed/calls-for-change-in-law/corruption/48-questions-kate-mccann-wouldnt-answer/maddie-the-truth-of-the-lie-the-book-banned-in-the-uk/maddie-the-truth-of-the-lie-chapter-1/

Or a summary of each chapter can be found elsewhere.

by Guest Tue Apr 28, 2015 5:55 pm

For the truth:

"50 facts about the Maddie case that the British media are not telling you"

WARNING! : 54% of these "facts" are either partially or entirely FALSE!

32% are significantly misleading or misrepresentative of the facts!

1 is a rumour (even the source says it is a rumour)!

Many others are unsubstantiated or simply irrelevant.

Finally, despite what the MMRG claim,

68% have the (frequently British) media as their source!

http://madeleinemythsexposed.pbworks.com/w/page/39076140/Main%20Page

by Raggamuffin Tue Apr 28, 2015 6:00 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:Have you read it?

No I haven't Tommy. I might get around to it one day. Thanks for the link.

by Tommy Monk Tue Apr 28, 2015 6:06 pm

Read it.

by Guest Tue Apr 28, 2015 6:07 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:Read it.

For a good laugh at how the book has been shown to be libelous.

by Tommy Monk Tue Apr 28, 2015 6:20 pm

The main detective on The case, 25 years service, tells it how it happened.

A must read!!!

by Guest Tue Apr 28, 2015 6:21 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:The main detective on The case, 25 years service, tells it how it happened.

A must read!!!

Who just got found guilty of lying and out to make a buck for himself.

by Andy Tue Apr 28, 2015 6:32 pm

Tom is UKIP. Anyone who believes Farage is always going to believe a sacked libellous failed Portugese detective.

by Tommy Monk Tue Apr 28, 2015 6:36 pm

He details the facts and events in THe investigation and The interference from others who were clearly trying to scupper the case against the mccans and protect them.

by Guest Tue Apr 28, 2015 6:40 pm

Handy Andy wrote:Tom is UKIP. Anyone who believes Farage is always going to believe a sacked libellous failed Portugese detective.

Sounds about right

by Tommy Monk Tue Apr 28, 2015 6:58 pm

He was a good detective, run off the case for getting too close to The truth that others were trying to hide.

Read the book.

Or read the in depth summary of The main points in each chapter here...

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id137.html

It will open your eyes to The facts and you will be astounded how the mccanns have managed to avoid prosecution.

by Guest Tue Apr 28, 2015 7:03 pm

Some people just live by conspiracies and even worse when their main star was kicked off the case for incompetence and also found out to being out to make money lying about people and rightly found guilty.

Speaks volumes

by Raggamuffin Tue Apr 28, 2015 7:06 pm

Handy Andy wrote:Tom is UKIP. Anyone who believes Farage is always going to believe a sacked libellous failed Portugese detective.

There's no need for that.

by Guest Tue Apr 28, 2015 7:10 pm

I have followed this case almost since the day Madeleine was abducted. Over the past three and a half years I have learnt a lot. About forensics, about DNA, about the various police procedures in many different countries. I have learned a lot about Madeleine, Kate and Gerry. And I have learned a lot about a former chief of the PJ, Goncalo Amaral. Spread out over this period of time, each piece I learned was, in it’s own way, either unsavoury, shocking or alarming, but spread out over a long period of time the total effect of each piece individually has been diluted. But now, since we have started putting all this information we have collectively gathered about Amaral together in one place, and seeing it all together in this way it is now very disconcerting indeed. But there is something I still don’t understand.

We have shown you examples of his blatant lies and distortions of the facts, using clear and irrefutable quotes from his own book, and compared them with the actual files. We have shown how he is deeply in debt, leaving himself open to bribery and blackmail. Shown eye witness accounts of his driving while under the influence of alcohol, sometimes with his little daughter on board. Given details of how he framed an innocent woman for the alleged death of her own daughter, and further, given details that he was convicted of covering up her torture, a torture that was acknowledged by his trial judge. We have even provided documented evidence of his threats to kill his own wife.

None of this is new. All of it is available elsewhere on the net, spread around on various blogs and forums. And all of it is true, beyond any doubt, backed up with solid, incontrovertible evidence. But here’s the strangest thing of all, the thing I struggle to comprehend. Despite all of this; the debt, the drink driving, the murderous threats, there are STILL those who actually look UP to this man, fete him, admire him, call him the ‘Brilliant detective.’ They even send him Birthday greetings and Christmas wishes, hoping he has a happy new year. It is beyond any realms of possibility that they are unaware of the facts we are presenting, And THAT is what I struggle to understand. Why? Who else do they consider a suitable role model? Nikolai Chauchesku? Pol Pot? Perhaps they consider Harold Shipman a ‘Brilliant doctor,’ or that Hanging Judge Jeffries was just a good man doing a difficult job?

http://amaralfiction2.blogspot.co.uk/

by Tommy Monk Tue Apr 28, 2015 7:13 pm

Read the book or the in depth summary of all the key points in each chapter and then draw your own conclusions.

by Guest Tue Apr 28, 2015 7:19 pm

Nemesis wrote:I have followed this case almost since the day Madeleine was abducted. Over the past three and a half years I have learnt a lot. About forensics, about DNA, about the various police procedures in many different countries. I have learned a lot about Madeleine, Kate and Gerry. And I have learned a lot about a former chief of the PJ, Goncalo Amaral. Spread out over this period of time, each piece I learned was, in it’s own way, either unsavoury, shocking or alarming, but spread out over a long period of time the total effect of each piece individually has been diluted. But now, since we have started putting all this information we have collectively gathered about Amaral together in one place, and seeing it all together in this way it is now very disconcerting indeed. But there is something I still don’t understand.

We have shown you examples of his blatant lies and distortions of the facts, using clear and irrefutable quotes from his own book, and compared them with the actual files. We have shown how he is deeply in debt, leaving himself open to bribery and blackmail. Shown eye witness accounts of his driving while under the influence of alcohol, sometimes with his little daughter on board. Given details of how he framed an innocent woman for the alleged death of her own daughter, and further, given details that he was convicted of covering up her torture, a torture that was acknowledged by his trial judge. We have even provided documented evidence of his threats to kill his own wife.

None of this is new. All of it is available elsewhere on the net, spread around on various blogs and forums. And all of it is true, beyond any doubt, backed up with solid, incontrovertible evidence. But here’s the strangest thing of all, the thing I struggle to comprehend. Despite all of this; the debt, the drink driving, the murderous threats, there are STILL those who actually look UP to this man, fete him, admire him, call him the ‘Brilliant detective.’ They even send him Birthday greetings and Christmas wishes, hoping he has a happy new year. It is beyond any realms of possibility that they are unaware of the facts we are presenting, And THAT is what I struggle to understand. Why? Who else do they consider a suitable role model? Nikolai Chauchesku? Pol Pot? Perhaps they consider Harold Shipman a ‘Brilliant doctor,’ or that Hanging Judge Jeffries was just a good man doing a difficult job?

http://amaralfiction2.blogspot.co.uk/

by Tommy Monk Tue Apr 28, 2015 7:24 pm

Read the book.

Or read the in depth summary of The main points in each chapter here...

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id137.html

It will open your eyes to The facts and you will be astounded how the mccanns have managed to avoid prosecution.

by Guest Tue Apr 28, 2015 7:28 pm

I have followed this case almost since the day Madeleine was abducted. Over the past three and a half years I have learnt a lot. About forensics, about DNA, about the various police procedures in many different countries. I have learned a lot about Madeleine, Kate and Gerry. And I have learned a lot about a former chief of the PJ, Goncalo Amaral. Spread out over this period of time, each piece I learned was, in it’s own way, either unsavoury, shocking or alarming, but spread out over a long period of time the total effect of each piece individually has been diluted. But now, since we have started putting all this information we have collectively gathered about Amaral together in one place, and seeing it all together in this way it is now very disconcerting indeed. But there is something I still don’t understand.

We have shown you examples of his blatant lies and distortions of the facts, using clear and irrefutable quotes from his own book, and compared them with the actual files. We have shown how he is deeply in debt, leaving himself open to bribery and blackmail. Shown eye witness accounts of his driving while under the influence of alcohol, sometimes with his little daughter on board. Given details of how he framed an innocent woman for the alleged death of her own daughter, and further, given details that he was convicted of covering up her torture, a torture that was acknowledged by his trial judge. We have even provided documented evidence of his threats to kill his own wife.

None of this is new. All of it is available elsewhere on the net, spread around on various blogs and forums. And all of it is true, beyond any doubt, backed up with solid, incontrovertible evidence. But here’s the strangest thing of all, the thing I struggle to comprehend. Despite all of this; the debt, the drink driving, the murderous threats, there are STILL those who actually look UP to this man, fete him, admire him, call him the ‘Brilliant detective.’ They even send him Birthday greetings and Christmas wishes, hoping he has a happy new year. It is beyond any realms of possibility that they are unaware of the facts we are presenting, And THAT is what I struggle to understand. Why? Who else do they consider a suitable role model? Nikolai Chauchesku? Pol Pot? Perhaps they consider Harold Shipman a ‘Brilliant doctor,’ or that Hanging Judge Jeffries was just a good man doing a difficult job?

http://amaralfiction2.blogspot.co.uk/

by Tommy Monk Tue Apr 28, 2015 7:32 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RP30PRieuU4

by Guest Tue Apr 28, 2015 7:35 pm

http://madeleinemythsexposed.pbworks.com/w/page/39076140/Main%20Page

by Tommy Monk Tue Apr 28, 2015 7:41 pm

She lied under oath at the Levison enquiry.

Fact!

by Guest Tue Apr 28, 2015 7:43 pm

Wrong.

by Guest Tue Apr 28, 2015 7:44 pm

The Sniffer Dogs used in the McCann Case

Both dogs, Eddie and Keela, are trained to detect BLOOD. Eddie is specially trained to also detect human decomposition or cadaverscent.
The results of the dogs findings in apartment 5a and in the hired car, were analyzed in the forensic lab, FSS, in Birmingham, UK.
From the forensic research of all DNA material no conclusive evidence was established to proof that blood found in the apartment and/or in the rental car, belonged to Madeleine McCann.
In other words the finding of the snifferdogs were not followed up with corroborating evidence.

Dog Trainer Martin Grime's Rogatory Statement
Quote:
03-CARTAS ROGATORIA 5 Pages 21 to 25
TRANSLATIONS BY CAMERINA32
Translation
DVD Rogatory Letters 3rd volume
Martin Grime
Martin Grime is the dogtrainer.
Keela = CSI dog, alerts only to blood
Eddie = EVRD dog, alerts to blood and human decomposition (cadaverscent)
'The dog EVRD also alerts to blood from a live human being or only from a cadaver'
The dog EVRD is trained using whole and disintegrated material, blood, bone tissue, teeth, etc. and decomposed cross-contaminants. The dog will recognize all or parts of a human cadaver. He is not trained for 'live' human odours; no trained dog will recognize the smell of 'fresh blood'. They find, however, and give the alert for dried blood from a live human being.

Read more here.
Forensic Report by John Robert Lowe, 18 June 2008
Quote:
OUTROS APENSOS I, volume II
Pages 300 to 326
Witness Deposition
(Criminal Procedure Rules, r27.1 (1);
Criminal Justice Act 1967, s.9; Magistrates' Courts Act 1980, s.5B)
Deposition of: JOHN ROBERT LOWE BSc CBiol MlBiol RFP Age: Older than 18
Profession of Witness: Forensic Scientist
Address of Witness:
Forensic Science Service Ltd.,
Birmingham Laboratory, Priory House, Gooch Street North,
Birmingham, B5 6QQ
With respect to:
References FSS: 300 655 190 / 400 947 125
References Client: 07/06085, 201/07.0GALGS
CJS URN:
Conclusion
In my opinion, the laboratory results that were attained did not help to clarify whether or not the DNA results obtained within the scope of this case were from Madeleine McCann.

Conclusion

To say that the dogs indicated Madeleine's body is a false representation of reality.

by Guest Tue Apr 28, 2015 7:47 pm

29. On British police advice, the Portuguese asked top dog handler Martin Grime to bring his springer spaniels, Eddie and Keela, to Praia da Luz. Eddie is trained to detect the scent of human corpses; Keela is a bloodhound. Eddie had never given a false alert in over 200 previous outings. He alerted to the odour of a human corpse in these locations: four different places in the McCanns’ apartment, two of Dr Kate McCann’s clothes, one of the children’s T-shirts, on the pink soft toy, ‘Cuddle Cat’, and in two places in the car the McCanns hired. Eddie did not alert to a corpse scent anywhere else in Praia da Luz. Keela detected blood, which may have been Madeleine’s blood, at some of these places.

Verdict - False and misleading. The claims about the dogs' abilities and performances are false. The alerts described by the MMRG are incorrect. The alerts of the dogs have to be corroborated by forensic evidence. They weren't.
Source - Amaral's book and police files.

Summary of Verifiable Facts

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[*]Both dogs gave false alerts on several occasions. Read more about their performance and reliability here and here .
[*]Mr Grime states that Eddie, in six years operational deployment in over 200 cases, has never alerted to meat based foodstuffs. There's no written record to date of the dog's successes and failures.

[*]Both dogs alert to blood, also dried blood from a living person.

[*]For the purpose of any crime/police case, the dogs' findings amount to nothing without forensic back up/tests. And in this case, not one of the alerts by the dogs were substantiated by forensic proof.
[*]The results of the forensic analysis performed by the Portuguese forensic experts on the day immediately after Madeleine disappeared, shows that no vestige of blood was found.

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Extracts from Amaral's book, with relevant sections highlighted in red

Apparently this is (part of) the source for the claims of the MMRG, because it most certainly isn't in the files, which were released by the PJ.
The relevant portion from Chapter 16 of Amaral's book is quoted below:

Quote:

Harrison also suggests that we use the skills of two totally remarkable dogs: the first an EVRD (Enhanced Victim Recovery Dog), achieves outstanding performance in the detection of human cadaver odour; the second, a CSI dog (Crime Scene Investigation) is capable of smelling the tiniest trace of blood, knowing how to recognise its human origin. To convince us of their capability and the extraordinary work carried out by these very special detectives in the course of over 200 investigations, he screens a video for us, showing their training and their intervention on the ground.

More recently, it’s Eddie who helps to find a body buried under a flagstone at the former orphanage, Haut-de-la-Garenne, in Jersey, setting for a terrible case of paedophilia and child murder.

Amaral has got it wrong. There was no body. It was something that looked like it was a piece of a skull fragment. But it wasn't according to the Oxford Radiocarbon Accelerator Unit

Quote:

In an email on April 8, the Oxford laboratory told Jersey police the fragment ‘ain’t bone’. It followed this up with a detailed letter on May 1, which Mr Harper claims not to have received, confirming the find was not bone but, in view of its curvature, more likely to be a seed casing or piece of coconut.

Extracts from the files, with relevant sections highlighted in red

Martin Grime Personal Profile

'Eddie' The Enhanced Victim Recovery Dog (E.V.RD.) will search for and locate human remains and body fluids including blood to very small samples in any environment or terrain. The initial training of the asset is conducted using pig as the subject matter for solid hides and human blood for fluid. The dog has also been trained to identify 'dead body' scent contamination where there is no physically retrievable evidence, due to scent adhering to previous material such as carpet or the upholstery in motor vehicles. ...
In six years operational deployment in over 200 cases the dog has never alerted to meat based foodstuffs. The dog has never alerted to 'road kill'.

'Keela' The Crime Scene Investigation (C.S.I.) dog will search for and locate human blood to such small proportions that it is unlikely to be recovered by the forensic science procedures in place at this time due to its size or placement. In order for the dog to locate the source the blood must have 'dried' in situ. Any 'wetting' once dried will not affect the dog's abilities. Blood that is subjected to dilution by precipitation or other substantial water source prior to drying will soak into the ground or other absorbent material. This may dilute the scent to an unacceptable level for accurate location.It is possible however that the EVRD will locate the scent source as it would for 'dead body' scent.

Martin Grime Rogatory Interview

The dog EVRD also alerts to blood from a live human being or only from a cadaver'
The dog EVRD is trained using whole and disintegrated material, blood, bone tissue, teeth, etc. and decomposed cross-contaminants. The dog will recognize all or parts of a human cadaver. He is not trained for 'live' human odours; no trained dog will recognize the smell of 'fresh blood'. They find, however, and give the alert for dried blood from a live human being.

The alerts by Eddie

In apartment 5A:
* between 20h16 (typing error in the report shows 21h16) and 20h30 the "cadaver" dog alerted:
- at 20h20 in the area of the wardrobe of the main bedroom.
- at 20h22 in the lounge, specifically behind the sofa next to the window that overlooks the street.
Between 21h49 and 22h00, in the garden adjacent to apartment 5A, accessible from by way of the veranda and steps, the cadaver dog alerted in a garden-bed directly below the verandah.

Clothing and belongings Family McCann
* in two pieces of clothing belonging to KATE HEALY.
* in a piece of clothing of the minor MADELEINE.
* in the plush toy, possibly belonging to MADELEINE (it was detected cadaver odour, when the plush was inside the residence – at the date occupied by the family)
(note: watching the video of the dog and the alerts, the piece of clothing by the PJ attributed to Madeleine belongs probably in fact to her younger brother)

The car (hired by the McCanns on May 27th)
* signalled the key of the vehicle;
(note: though it's not mentioned in the PJ Report, watching the video shows the dog alerted to the lower part of the driver's door, in one compartment of which was the car's key card)

The alerts by Keela

Apartment 5A - 31.07.2007
* between 20h47 and 21.20 the "blood" dog alerted:
- at 21h10 in the lounge, specifically on the floor behind the sofa next to the window that overlooks the street.

On the 1st of August a forensic team collected samples at the apartment. Here's the relevant part of their report :
Quote

He advised further that after the recovery of the tiles the animal specialised in detection of human blood should perform another search of the area from where the tiles had been recovered to verify [check for] the existence of possible human blood in the area from where the tiles had been lifted.

Apartment 5A 03.08.2007
19.19 The dog “marked” an area of tiles in the living room, next to the window and behind the sofa.
19.20 The dog “marked” the lower part of the left white coloured curtain of the window behind the sofa.

The car (hired by the McCanns on May 27th)
* signalled the key of the vehicle;
* signalled the interior of the vehicle’s boot;

Analysis of alerts by the Central Division of Information Analysis - PJ who had their doubts about them.

Quote:

From the screening of the videos, referred previously, done when the dogs were working, some doubts arise. We don't want and we can't take the place of the trainer, we only wish to alert, with this paragraph, to some facts, that according to us, need further clarification.
If the dog is trained to react when he detects what he is looking for, why, in most of the cases, we see the dog passing more than once by that place in an uninterested way, until he finally signals the place where he had already passed several times'
On one of the films, it's possible to see that 'Eddie' sniffs Madeleine's cuddle cat, more than once, bites it, throws it into the air and only after the toy is hidden does he 'mark' it (page 2099). Whys didn't he signal it when he sniffs it on the first time'
Apart from all that was said about the dogs, we must also take into attention the results of the forensic analysis that was performed by the experts on the Scientific Police Laboratory on the day immediately after the facts, and already mentioned where no vestige of blood was found.

Forensics

Nowhere in the forensics report is it mentioned that blood was found. DNA was identified but it wasn't Madeleine's. Most of the samples had to be analysed using LCN techniques, and in most (relevant) cases the material of the sample couldn't be identified.

On the samples three DNA profiles were identified:

- A low level incomplete DNA profile which matched the corresponding components in the DNA profile of Gerald McCann was obtained from cellular material on the key card(286C/2007-CRL(12)).
- 286A/2007-CRL 5A & B Swabs collected from the wall of the apartment ... In my opinion, Fernando Viegas could have contributed DNA to this result.
- 286/2007-CRL (17) Cement-glue [grouting] between the floor tiles identified as number 2...In my opinion, the major part of the profile matched that of Lino Henriques.

All three of the above mentioned people are (were at the time) still very much alive. Fernando Viegas and Lino Henriques are Portuguese Forensic experts.

Compare MMRG statement with the actual FACTS

MMRG quote:

On British police advice, the Portuguese asked top dog handler Martin Grime to bring his springer spaniels, Eddie and Keela, to Praia da Luz.
Eddie is trained to detect the scent of human corpses; Keela is a bloodhound.
Eddie had never given a false alert in over 200 previous outings.
He alerted to the odour of a human corpse in these locations: four different places in the McCanns’ apartment, two of Dr Kate McCann’s clothes, one of the children’s T-shirts, on the pink soft toy, ‘Cuddle Cat’, and in two places in the car the McCanns hired.
Eddie did not alert to a corpse scent anywhere else in Praia da Luz.
Keela detected blood, which may have been Madeleine’s blood, at some of these places.

Actually:

On advice of Mark Harrison, the PJ asked a dog handler, Martin Grime, to bring his dogs to Praia da Luz.
Eddie is trained to search for and locate human remains and body fluids including blood. The dog has also been trained to identify 'dead body' scent contamination. Keela is indeed trained to detect blood. Both dogs will alert to dried blood of live human beings.
In six years operational deployment in over 200 cases the dog has never alerted to meat based foodstuffs. The dog has never alerted to 'road kill'. Yet in training the dog has alerted to a 1 cm cube of pork soaked in petrol for 1 week and then burnt until only a residue remains. That's according to the handler, Mr Grime. He hasn't provided any records of the dog's successes and failures to substantiate his claims. He worked at South Yorkshire Police Force from 2003 to August 2007. During that period he was deployed on 37 occasions. That's an average of 9 per year. Eddie was seven in 2007..........
He alerted to two different places in the McCanns’ apartment, the garden, two of Kate McCann’s clothes, one of the children’s T-shirts, on the pink soft toy, ‘Cuddle Cat’. He was not deployed in the car, so he didn't alert to two places in the car. He did however alert to the driver's door, in one compartment of which was the car's key card. Eddie alerted to the key card.
None of the alerts by Keela have been confirmed by forensics as being blood. No blood or DNA of Madeleine was found/identified. The DNA that was identified belongs to three living persons.
Portuguese forensics examined the apartment the day after Madeleine disappeared. No vestige of blood was found.

Conclusion

The claims by the MMRG are both false and misleading. There's no forensic supporting evidence to verify what the dogs alerted to. The only DNA that was identified belongs to three (living) men. Is the MMRG suggesting that Madeleine is dead? Why would anybody want to declare a missing child dead without any evidence of such?

"Eddie did not alert to a corpse scent anywhere else in Praia da Luz". Is the MMRG suggesting that no one ever died in Praia da Luz?

http://madeleinemythsexposed.pbworks.com/w/page/39078028/Rebuttal%20of%20%22Fact%22%2029

by Tommy Monk Tue Apr 28, 2015 7:49 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RP30PRieuU4

by Guest Tue Apr 28, 2015 7:51 pm

Yes you posted that and it has been shown up already.

by Ben Reilly Tue Apr 28, 2015 8:02 pm

Funny somebody mentioned JonBenet Ramsey, of course at one point they'd "solved" that case when John Mark Karr confessed to the murder. He was already being held on child pornography charges, after all, and he confessed.

Except he not only didn't commit the murder (which police confirmed), he didn't have child pornography either. It was all to get attention and put himself in the media spotlight.

Cases like this obviously attract all sorts of unbalanced attention seekers, along with opportunists. I don't know why anyone would pretend to know for certain all that was really going on.

by Tommy Monk Tue Apr 28, 2015 8:47 pm

I believe the detective...

by Raggamuffin Tue Apr 28, 2015 8:53 pm

Ben_Reilly wrote:Funny somebody mentioned JonBenet Ramsey, of course at one point they'd "solved" that case when John Mark Karr confessed to the murder. He was already being held on child pornography charges, after all, and he confessed.

Except he not only didn't commit the murder (which police confirmed), he didn't have child pornography either. It was all to get attention and put himself in the media spotlight.

Cases like this obviously attract all sorts of unbalanced attention seekers, along with opportunists. I don't know why anyone would pretend to know for certain all that was really going on.

It was me who mentioned JonBenet. It was a terrible thing to happen, and at the same time it was a real puzzle, and still is. There has been one theory after another, based on the evidence, either pointing the finger at the parents or at an outsider. It's too late for Patsy Ramsey of course because she died in 2006.

The detective I referred to was Steve Thomas, who wrote a book about the murder after he resigned.

by Andy Tue Apr 28, 2015 9:48 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:I believe the detective...

Will you still hold that view if and whe Maddie is found safe and well?
Seconfly? will you ckme on here and redact your view.

by Raggamuffin Tue Apr 28, 2015 9:52 pm

Handy Andy wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:I believe the detective...
Will you still hold that view if and whe Maddie is found safe and well?
Seconfly? will you ckme on here and redact your view.

I think you mean retract, not redact.

by Guest Tue Apr 28, 2015 10:01 pm

No trained dog will react to fresh blood????

WTF do you think my spaniel is doing when retrieving????

why will he pick a dead rabbit...but not chase a live one??? has no interest in live ones....

and so on

methinks someones an "expert" ( exspurt) Madeleine McCann's parents win Portuguese libel case and awarded £357k 3489511464

Madeleine McCann's parents win Portuguese libel case and awarded £357k 3489511464

ex is a has been

sput is a drip under pressure.......

by Raggamuffin Tue Apr 28, 2015 10:02 pm

darknessss wrote:No trained dog will react to fresh blood????

WTF do you think my spaniel is doing when retrieving????

why will he pick a dead rabbit...but not chase a live one??? has no interest in live ones....

and so on

methinks someones an "expert" ( exspurt)

ex is a has been

sput is a drip under pressure.......

The opposite to cats then ...

by Guest Tue Apr 28, 2015 10:06 pm

no its how he's been trained....

by Raggamuffin Tue Apr 28, 2015 10:06 pm

darknessss wrote:no its how he's been trained....

Why are we discussing dogs? Laughing

by Tommy Monk Tue Apr 28, 2015 10:07 pm

Handy Andy wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:I believe the detective...
Will you still hold that view if and whe Maddie is found safe and well?
Seconfly? will you ckme on here and redact your view.

That will never happen... sadly,,, the girl died that might in THe apartment.

Even Gerry mccann wasn't expecting her to be found as he was planning the anniversary event pretty early on...

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