Vaccines designed to leave mark on skin that can be scanned by a device

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Specialized dye, delivered along with a vaccine, could enable “on-patient” storage of vaccination history.

MIT researchers have now developed a novel way to record a patient’s vaccination history: storing the data in a pattern of dye, invisible to the naked eye, that is delivered under the skin at the same time as the vaccine.

The researchers showed that their new dye, which consists of nanocrystals called quantum dots, can remain for at least five years under the skin, where it emits near-infrared light that can be detected by a specially equipped smartphone.


https://news.mit.edu/2019/storing-vaccine-history-skin-1218



Could this be used in a sinister way?

Syl wrote:

Maddog wrote:

And that makes perfect sense. No need to implant anything in a human, to keep track of their shot records.  

And that's the way it's being recorded, in spite of all the panic.

How are you? Have you managed to beat the corona with all faculties intact??

I'm a little crazier than I was.

But I rode my bike over 40 miles earlier today, and I'm about to head out again for a shorter ride with a couple of beer stops.

I'd say physically I'm about 97% back, which wasnt anything to brag about in the first place.

Have you done your 2 weeks quarantine or is it different where you are?

It seems like  you have managed to get over it without feeling too ill, so that's good. 

Syl wrote:Have you done your 2 weeks quarantine or is it different where you are?

It seems like  you have managed to get over it without feeling too ill, so that's good. 

Its 10 days after the first symptoms or a positive test. Its 14 if you have been exposed. I stayed home about 12 or 13 days. Which was until last last Sunday.

I had about 5 or 6 days that were pretty rough. I still have what is called a post viral cough which comes and goes. Nothing like the cough I has when I was really sick. That was pretty brutal. I thought a lung was coming up a few times.

Maddog wrote:

Syl wrote:Have you done your 2 weeks quarantine or is it different where you are?

It seems like  you have managed to get over it without feeling too ill, so that's good. 

Its 10 days after the first symptoms or a positive test.  Its 14 if you have been exposed.  I stayed home about 12 or 13 days.  Which was until last last Sunday.  

I had about 5 or 6 days that were pretty rough.  I still have what is called a post viral cough which comes and goes.  Nothing like the cough I has when I was really sick. That was pretty brutal. I thought a lung was coming up a few times.  

Well it's good you are feeling well enough to get out and about again.
To manage a 40 mile round bike trip so soon after being infected is more than a lot of people (me included) could do if they were in the peak of health.
The cough and sore throat seems to linger for many people long after they are clear.....just keep looking after yourself.

Syl wrote:

Maddog wrote:

Its 10 days after the first symptoms or a positive test.  Its 14 if you have been exposed.  I stayed home about 12 or 13 days.  Which was until last last Sunday.  

I had about 5 or 6 days that were pretty rough.  I still have what is called a post viral cough which comes and goes.  Nothing like the cough I has when I was really sick. That was pretty brutal. I thought a lung was coming up a few times.  

Well it's good you are feeling well enough to get out and about again.
To manage a 40 mile round bike trip so soon after being infected is more than a lot of people (me included) could do if they were in the peak of health.
The cough and sore throat seems to linger for many people long after they are clear.....just keep looking after yourself.

My daughter has been lecturing me. She likes to be a little bossy in regards to me.

Maddog wrote:

Syl wrote:

Well it's good you are feeling well enough to get out and about again.
To manage a 40 mile round bike trip so soon after being infected is more than a lot of people (me included) could do if they were in the peak of health.
The cough and sore throat seems to linger for many people long after they are clear.....just keep looking after yourself.

My daughter has been lecturing me.  She likes to be a little bossy in regards to me.  

Well good for her, she should rope in her two sisters and your bossy sister too....that'd teach you.

Maddog wrote:

Syl wrote:

Well it's good you are feeling well enough to get out and about again.
To manage a 40 mile round bike trip so soon after being infected is more than a lot of people (me included) could do if they were in the peak of health.
The cough and sore throat seems to linger for many people long after they are clear.....just keep looking after yourself.

My daughter has been lecturing me.  

She likes to be a little bossy in regards to me.  

Our offspring slowly but surely take on the role of parents. They grow up and get wiser, meantime we become frailer with age, more forgetful, etc. Roles become reversed.The circle of life is awesome.

JulesV wrote:

Maddog wrote:

My daughter has been lecturing me.  

She likes to be a little bossy in regards to me.  

Our offspring slowly but surely take on the role of parents. They grow up and get wiser, meantime we become frailer with age, more forgetful, etc. Roles become reversed.The circle of life is awesome.

She's been bossing me around since she was 5.

Maddog wrote:

JulesV wrote:

Maddog wrote:

My daughter has been lecturing me.  

She likes to be a little bossy in regards to me.  

Our offspring slowly but surely take on the role of parents. They grow up and get wiser, meantime we become frailer with age, more forgetful, etc. Roles become reversed.The circle of life is awesome.

She's been bossing me around since she was 5.  

Country music really has taught us everything we know, if we'd only listen. In this case, it comes from Kenny Rogers - you gotta know when to hold 'em and know when to fold 'em.

yer bloody barmy, have you ANY idea of the amount of digital storage that would be needed. The world doesnt contain enough storage even if all other uses stopped...

the sooner they come up with a chip that stores my medical details and next of kin and any other pertinant info ...like drivers licence, insurance contact, shotgun licence, fishing licence the better....

one has to ask just WHAT are you lot up to that you need to keep such a secret.....Quill dont want anyone tracking his movement so he turns his cell phone off, ffs...are you bangin the senators daughter you naughty boy?

Tommy is as bad, what are YOU up to...doing a bit of poaching of the queens Deer????
Or maybe humping the dukes sheep....do they know you bought new green wellies........

oh and alexa cant hear you if you turn the mic off  ....and yes there is only the one and yes the button DOES turn it off.  

I mean can you imagine the scenes in "intel central "   "hey listen guys the joneses are at it again (que sounds of humping and passionate sex)"

sound in intel central.......................... "fap fap fap"

Victorismyhero wrote:yer bloody barmy, have you ANY idea of the amount of digital storage that would be needed. The world doesnt contain enough storage even if all other uses stopped...

the sooner they come up with a chip that stores my medical details and next of kin and any other pertinant info ...like drivers licence, insurance contact, shotgun licence, fishing licence the better....

one has to ask just WHAT are you lot up to that you need to keep such a secret.....Quill dont want anyone tracking his movement so he turns his cell phone off, ffs...are you bangin the senators daughter you naughty boy?

Tommy is as bad, what are YOU up to...doing a bit of poaching of the queens Deer????
Or maybe humping the dukes sheep....do they know you bought new green wellies........

oh and alexa cant hear you if you turn the mic off  ....and yes there is only the one and yes the button DOES turn it off.  

I mean can you imagine the scenes in "intel central "   "hey listen guys the joneses are at it again (que sounds of humping and passionate sex)"

sound in intel central.......................... "fap fap fap"

That right, Vic. The only thing between you and big brother is an 'off-on' switch. And, in the right circumstance, that can be circumvented.

The issue isn’t what are you up to, but what are those who are listening up to? First, you are changing the metric: “ffs...are you bangin the senators daughter you naughty boy?” Suddenly, you switch the question and ask the person who wants privacy, is s/he up to no good? Is privacy only useful for hiding criminal activity?

Second, is privacy not a value in itself? Is a woman who doesn’t want to be filmed in the public bathroom stall, acting frivolously? Is she wrong, withholding her genitals from public view in some seedy porn site?

What is it that George Orwell found obscene about having a police camera in every residence? After all, if you’ve got nothing to hide, you shouldn’t mind.

Vic, it isn’t about “what we are up to” it’s about having the right to some privacy.
Look, I’m not even saying I’m buying into this anyway, all I know is, I don’t think it’s far off in the future that we will all be chipped and traced.

And I don’t want it, thanks.

The thing is you are spied on every day, whether its by your phone,computer,pad in the streets, driving down the road your internet search history, in stores or supermarkets ,Facebook,google,twitter,amazon ect all keep a record of your likes,dislikes,what you buy or sell using there services .it is very hard to avoid(not impossible) but to avoid it you have to give up all forms of technology and never go in to a city or ride a train or fill up with fuel at a petrol station even just owning a piece of property is enough to put you on the map ,a chip in your arm ,with vaccine history,blood type,medical history ,name address seems .....pointless paranioa

I had my vaccine, painless (apart from shivers that night) and guess what....I am no more zombified than before, I (like 15 million others in the UK) have not grown horns or hankered after raw meat, and there is no microchip in me that would enable the "establishment" to track my every move....just as well really, as wandering from lounge, to kitchen, to bedroom, would surely kill them with boredom.

Having the vaccine has however protected me and the people I come into contact with.
It has made the end of this plague seem just a little bit closer, and in doing so, along with all the other people who opt to have the vaccine and move forwards, it will lessen the burden on the NHS so the people who are now really suffering with mental health and other diseases that have been neglected over the last year, will get the help they seriously need.

Syl wrote:I had my vaccine, painless (apart from shivers that night) and guess what....I am no more zombified than before, I (like 15 million others in the UK) have not grown horns or hankered after raw meat, and there is no microchip in me that would enable the "establishment" to track my every move....just as well really, as wandering from lounge, to kitchen, to bedroom, would surely kill them with boredom.

Having the vaccine has however protected me and the people I come into contact with.
It has made the end of this plague seem just a little bit closer, and in doing so, along with all the other people who opt to have the vaccine and move forwards, it will lessen the burden on the NHS so the people who are now really suffering with mental health and other diseases that have been neglected over the last year, will get the help they seriously need.

Do you think they tell you when they chip you?

Maddog wrote:

Syl wrote:I had my vaccine, painless (apart from shivers that night) and guess what....I am no more zombified than before, I (like 15 million others in the UK) have not grown horns or hankered after raw meat, and there is no microchip in me that would enable the "establishment" to track my every move....just as well really, as wandering from lounge, to kitchen, to bedroom, would surely kill them with boredom.

Having the vaccine has however protected me and the people I come into contact with.
It has made the end of this plague seem just a little bit closer, and in doing so, along with all the other people who opt to have the vaccine and move forwards, it will lessen the burden on the NHS so the people who are now really suffering with mental health and other diseases that have been neglected over the last year, will get the help they seriously need.

Do you think they tell you when they chip you?  

Oh purlease....we are not living our lives in some B rated SkiFi movie.......or even China.

Syl wrote:

Maddog wrote:

Do you think they tell you when they chip you?  

Oh purlease....we are not living our lives in some B rated SkiFi  movie.......or even China.

Yet.

"Cue the ominous and foreboding music".

Maddog wrote:

Syl wrote:

Oh purlease....we are not living our lives in some B rated SkiFi  movie.......or even China.

Yet.  

"Cue the ominous and foreboding music".

I tend to agree with MD's general thesis…except, I don't think they intentionally "chip you".  But they do save records, legitimately obtained, and subsequently distributed to government files.  You may give a DNA sample to some university study, innocent in its purposes, but it somehow ends up in an FBI database on you.

Are you aware that when you take your computer in for repair, they scan/copy the contents for any illegal activities?  And the copy goes into a government security file.  I learned that from an officer of Best Buy.  I had to inquire because, as an attorney, I have client files in the computer, subject to attorney/client privilege.

Many other examples abound, many of which you give permission for in that fine print you sign, but don't ever read.

Unless it was something that could actually control or influence behaviour why bother. The majority of people in the UK have NI numbers, many have passports, many have computers and mobiles, even smart watches then there's the companies that keep tabs on your credit score. Someone somewhere has all this info at their fingertips - don't need a chip. We were going to have I.D. cards a lot of people wanted them, it would make life easier for me for one, as I don't drive, don't have a passport etc. but the government chickened out.

Original Quill wrote:I tend to agree with MD's general thesis…except, I don't think they intentionally "chip you".  But they do save records, legitimately obtained, and subsequently distributed to government files.  You may give a DNA sample to some university study, innocent in its purposes, but it somehow ends up in an FBI database on you.

Are you aware that when you take your computer in for repair, they scan/copy the contents for any illegal activities?  And the copy goes into a government security file.  I learned that from an officer of Best Buy.  I had to inquire because, as an attorney, I have client files in the computer, subject to attorney/client privilege.

Many other examples abound, many of which you give permission for in that fine print you sign, but don't ever read.

"Are you aware that when you take your computer in for repair, they scan/copy the contents for any illegal activities?" Quill i have been in the industry for 35+ years and i have never done this. yes if in the process of fixing a computer a came across something like child porn my first call would be the police ,but i have never gone looking for stuff that could be illegal and i have never copied the continence of somebody's computer unless i was transferring files from one hard drive to another with Their permission  And certainly i have never sent information of any kind to any Government agency Nor would i ,not withstanding my previous caveat.(and i have never come across such )maybe its different In the US but i have never heard this being done in the uk

Lots of scaremongering theories and rumours around.

It's a very good way of controlling a population who have no desire to seek out the truth and are happy to believe any poppycock that's currently circulating...usually online.

Vintage wrote:Unless it was something that could actually control or influence behaviour why bother. The majority of people in the UK have NI numbers, many have passports, many have computers and mobiles, even smart watches then there's the companies that keep tabs on your credit score. Someone somewhere has all this info at their fingertips - don't need a chip. We were going to have I.D. cards a lot of people wanted them, it would make life easier for me for one, as I don't drive, don't have a passport etc. but the government chickened out.

Have you never been abroad Vintage?

I have just had a look at best buys T&c

Collection and Disclosure.

During the 12-month period prior to the effective date of this Addendum, we may have:

a. Collected the following categories of personal information about you:

Identifiers: identifiers such as a real name, alias, postal address, unique personal identifier (such as customer number, unique pseudonym, or user alias), email address, account name, Social Security number, driver’s license number, passport number, and other similar identifiers, physical characteristics or description, state identification card number, and signature

Identifiers (Online): a device identifier; cookies, beacons, pixel tags, mobile ad identifiers and similar technology; other forms of persistent or probabilistic identifiers, and Internet Protocol address
Other Financial, Medical, and Health Information: bank account number, credit card number, debit card number, insurance policy number, and other financial information, medical information, and health insurance information

Information Related to Characteristics Protected Under California or Federal Law: characteristics of protected classifications under California or federal law, such as race, color, national origin, religion, age, sex, gender, gender identity, gender expression, sexual orientation, marital status, medical condition, ancestry, genetic information, disability, citizenship status, and military and veteran status

Commercial Information: including records of personal property, products or services purchased, obtained, or considered, and other purchasing or consuming histories or tendencies

Biometrics: biometric information
Internet and Other Electronic Network Activity Information: including, but not limited to, browsing history, search history, and information regarding your interaction with websites, applications or advertisements
Geolocation Data
Sensory Information: Audio, electronic, visual, thermal, and similar information
Professional or Employment-Related Information
Education Information
Profile Inferences: inferences drawn from any of the information identified above to create a profile about you reflecting your preferences, characteristics, psychological trends, predispositions, behavior, attitudes, intelligence, abilities, and aptitudes


*Best Buy shares Personal Information with government entities, including law enforcement, only in the following circumstances: (1) when required to do so as a matter of law; (2) to assist in the investigation of a potential crime impacting Best Buy, its employees, its customers, or the communities we serve; or (3) when required in response to legal process (e.g., subpoena, warrant).


All i can say is WOW that's mental

Korban Dallas wrote:All i can say is WOW that's mental

And ask yourself, what does "as a matter of law" mean? A court order, or a casual acquaintance with the local police (law enforcement), who then give it to the FBI, who then distribute your data all over the world.

And "to assist in the investigation of a potential crime impacting Best Buy, its employees, its customers, or the communities we serve", means anything and everything, the whole bucket...and the only condition is, that there be an investigation. Hell, I open investigations everyday...every time I have a question and use Google. If they can go looking for “potential crimes impacting…the communities we serve”, I mean, that’s a license to unzip your pants.

The loopholes are gargantuan.

Original Quill wrote:

Korban Dallas wrote:All i can say is WOW that's mental

And ask yourself, what does "as a matter of law" mean?  A court order, or a casual acquaintance with the local police, who then give it to the FBI, who then distribute your data all over the world.

And "to assist in the investigation of a potential crime impacting Best Buy, its employees, its customers, or the communities we serve", means anything and everything, the whole bucket...and the only condition is, that there be an investigation.  Hell, I open investigations everyday...every time I have a question and use Google.

The loopholes are gargantuan.

Yes I agree The T&c seem to cover any eventuality and are deliberately vague on the legality's of such data collection. i would have thought this constitutes illegal search and seizure under your constitution,and invasion of privacy, but i have only a lay-mans understanding of the law in this regard and would not presume to make a legal opinion on its legality

I certainly have never come across this type of Misive ( i think that's the right word) in the Uk. with the exception of perhaps company owned equipment and certainly never on personal property and i have worked in many a repair outlet as well as running my own

Korban Dallas wrote:i would have thought this constitutes illegal search and seizure under you constitution...

The Constitution only limits government agencies; Best Buy is a private company.

Even under the Constitution, there is always the "garbage" exception.  It's not an illegal search for something if it is deemed 'abandoned'.  Garbage is considered abandoned, and if anything can be deemed discarded, it falls within the garbage exception.  When you give a DNA test to a university (my example, above), are you not discarding it—you have no purpose for it?  Or, when you post on-line, are you not abandoning your words to public domain, since anyone can see it?

Also, keep in mind that meta-data may be lawfully collected and recorded.  The police may not be able to listen into your phone call, but they can keep a pen register on whom you call.  Apply this, in combination with the other exceptions mentioned, to the computer and on-line communications, and the loophole is expanded exponentially.

i have had a look at Pc world/curry's T&c and could not find anything as broad as Best buys T&c  in fact this is about all i could find ,that's not to say that this is a full and accurate rendering but Its what i understand the limits are

Original Quill wrote:

Korban Dallas wrote:i would have thought this constitutes illegal search and seizure under you constitution...

The Constitution only limits government agencies; Best Buy is a private company.

Even under the Constitution, there is always the "garbage" exception.  It's not an illegal search for something if it is deemed 'abandoned'.  Garbage is considered abandoned, and if anything can be deemed discarded, it falls within the garbage exception.  When you give a DNA test to a university (my example, above), are you not discarding it—you have no purpose for it?  Or, when you post on-line, are you not abandoning your words to public domain, since anyone can see it?

Also, keep in mind that meta-data may be lawfully collected and recorded.  The police may not be able to listen into your phone call, but they can keep a pen register on whom you call.  Apply this, in combination with the other exceptions mentioned, to the computer and on-line communications, and the loophole is expanded exponentially.

I would say a computer Put in for repair is not abandoned in the first instance and would have to be picked up within a specified time frame out with that time ,,,say a year i could see a argument for abandonment as is perhaps the case with the "alleged" Hunter biden laptop

Is they data protection laws in the US ?

Ah !!
US Privacy Laws. As a reminder, the US doesn't (yet) have a federal-level general consumer data privacy law, let alone a data security law. The EU with its General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR) has both

theirs your problem

Data mining has become a HUGE part of the marketing industry, such that the market overwhelms small things like legal and Constitutional norms. Can you imagine if the authorities tried to restrain Comcast, whose business it is to find out things you do, like, crave, and on-and-on, thence to sell it to industries that manufacture and distribute this stuff? Data mining is precisely what law enforcement does, except they are less interested in making money, and more interested in catching lawbreakers.

Why would Best Buy not data mine your computer, as it is brought in for repair? How about Office Depot, etc.? Law enforcement is but a small part of that, but why not? You bet...anyone with child porn in his or her computer is fair game. Even today, you can bet that law enforcement is data mining whenever, and wherever they can, to find out who stormed the Capitol on 1/6. But it's much bigger than that.

Korban wrote:I would say a computer Put in for repair is not abandoned in the first instance and would have to be picked up within a specified time frame out with that time ,,,say a year i could see a argument for abandonment as is perhaps the case with the "alleged" Hunter biden laptop  

A private concern need not rely on a theory of abandonment, as there is no Constitutional protection applicable to them. The Constitution only applies to government agencies.  The garbage exception is for the benefit of law enforcement only.

Private companies need to be concerned about privacy laws and invasion-of-privacy lawsuits.  They protect themselves with notices like the one you published, which are inevitably incorporated in their repair contract and become 'conditions' of the contract.

Korban wrote:Ah !!
US Privacy Laws. As a reminder, the US doesn't (yet) have a federal-level general consumer data privacy law, let alone a data security law. The EU with its General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR) has both

theirs your problem

The US is a group of 50 smaller nations, or states. Generally the privacy laws are embedded in state laws having to do with privacy. For example, we have the California Consumer Privacy Act (CCPA), which went into effect on January 1, 2020, codifying enhanced privacy rights and consumer protection for California residents.

There are, however, incidental federal privacy laws, applicable to many different areas.

I remember watching one of those Border control programs and seeing an American border control officer going trough peoples phones and laptops as people went trough customs and i thought Eh? how can they do that ,,,well this explains it. Have to say i am thankful we have better privacy and data protection laws in Europe/uk ,Brexit not withstanding.
i find this just Mental

Korban wrote:I remember watching one of those Border control programs and seeing an American border control officer going trough peoples phones and laptops as people went trough customs and i thought Eh? how can they do that ,,,well this explains it. Have to say i am thankful we have better privacy and data protection laws in Europe/uk ,Brexit not withstanding.
i find this just Mental

Current US government policy is that agents can rummage through phones and laptops for no reason, although they can’t access the internet while they search and they must have reasonable suspicion to hook the device up to an external machine to extract data or to view deleted or encrypted files.

They can also keep a device for a “reasonable” period, although they must get a supervisor’s approval to keep it after the person crosses the border and additional approval to keep it for more than 15 days.

The First Circuit said none of this violated the Fourth Amendment.

First Circuit wrote:“Electronic devices may contain a trove of sensitive personal information,” U.S. Circuit Judge Sandra Lynch wrote for the court, but “the government’s interest in preventing crime at international borders is at its zenith.”
Alasaad v. Nielsen, No. 1:17-cv-11730 (D. Mass.); Alasaad v. Wolf, Nos. 20-1077, 20-1081 (1st Cir.). https://www.courthousenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/Border-ca1.pdf

The First Circuit ruling, however, puts that court at odds with the Ninth Circuit, which ruled in 2019 that agents who don’t have reasonable suspicion can only search for digital material that is itself illegal, not for material that might simply prove that a person did something illegal.

My guess is that you landed in Boston (First Circuit), and not in San Francisco (Ninth Circuit). There is a split in circuit opinions between east and west coast. We are crazy liberals here on the west coast, and are bent on keeping your rights safe. We are not those kinky, autocrat conservatives over on the old coast.

Syl wrote:

Vintage wrote:Unless it was something that could actually control or influence behaviour why bother. The majority of people in the UK have NI numbers, many have passports, many have computers and mobiles, even smart watches then there's the companies that keep tabs on your credit score. Someone somewhere has all this info at their fingertips - don't need a chip. We were going to have I.D. cards a lot of people wanted them, it would make life easier for me for one, as I don't drive, don't have a passport etc. but the government chickened out.

Have you never been abroad Vintage?

Yes, a few years ago now though, Netherlands, southern Italy, Florida, Bahamas, then life became a bit more complicated between the job and elderly relatives, so I retired from foreign travel and haven't really gone anywhere, even in the UK for more than a one night stay. Now that its possible again I don't particularly fancy long journeys to or long airport waits or crowds of fellow passengers or crowds of any kind come to that, much rather stay home and explore places on tv with a nice cup of tea. Must have become a miserable old fogey somewhere along the way.

Not miserable at all. If you are happy staying home, do what makes you happy.

I wont be going abroad this year even if the rules change,  Like  you I wont fancy the airport and plane close proximity.