Vaccines designed to leave mark on skin that can be scanned by a device

by Tommy Monk Tue Nov 24, 2020 3:52 pm

Specialized dye, delivered along with a vaccine, could enable “on-patient” storage of vaccination history.

MIT researchers have now developed a novel way to record a patient’s vaccination history: storing the data in a pattern of dye, invisible to the naked eye, that is delivered under the skin at the same time as the vaccine.

The researchers showed that their new dye, which consists of nanocrystals called quantum dots, can remain for at least five years under the skin, where it emits near-infrared light that can be detected by a specially equipped smartphone.

https://news.mit.edu/2019/storing-vaccine-history-skin-1218

Could this be used in a sinister way?

by Original Quill Tue Nov 24, 2020 4:54 pm

All kinds of devises invade your privacy. This Alexis thing is just a microphone into your living room, for anyone who wants to hack in. Your doorbell camera can be reversed, and usually has a mike as well as speakers. Many people are upset when they learn that someone has hacked into their children's bedroom, on the network designed to alert you of problems. And if you have installed cameras in your bathroom, or bedroom, watch out for neighborhood peeping toms. Anything wireless can be hacked.

I'd be really careful of anything that tapped into my body. That's waaaay too close for comfort.

by Maddog Tue Nov 24, 2020 7:28 pm

Yeah, I'll skip the mark of the beast.

by Ben Reilly Sat Nov 28, 2020 10:46 am

If a government was to make it illegal to not have a vaccine, this sort of thing could be used to enforce that policy.

But, said government wouldn't get away with it unless that policy was transparent and had really strong public support.

Otherwise, I don't see how this technology could be used in a sinister way.

by Original Quill Sat Nov 28, 2020 4:47 pm

Ben Reilly wrote:If a government was to make it illegal to not have a vaccine, this sort of thing could be used to enforce that policy.

But, said government wouldn't get away with it unless that policy was transparent and had really strong public support.

Otherwise, I don't see how this technology could be used in a sinister way.

One day it's a mere mark. Soon, it's a tattoo. Then, it's switched to your social security number. After a while, it is transformed to some benevolent functionality, say, it's a body monitor, checking your heart, liver and lungs. Next day it's a locater, indicating where you are at all times. Day after, it's a listening device, listening in on all your conversations. Finally, it's an actuator, telling you to go where you're told, and do what you're directed, or else.

Then, come January, it's 1984, all over again.

by Syl Sat Nov 28, 2020 11:25 pm

If it's 100% safe and the sole reason is to just store a persons vaccination history I dont see a problem.

In underdeveloped countries it could record which areas have had the opportunities to obtain vaccines and what they have had.

In any country people can get confused or forget which vaccines they have had or when, and it would stop human error in recording data.

I have a feeling though it could eventually be used against people who refuse to be vaccined.
This pandemic has shown how easily the majority of people can be controlled.

Who knows, maybe some time in the future that control could be used for more sinister reasons. But that's the cynic in me talking.

by gelico Wed Dec 02, 2020 3:06 pm

Ben Reilly wrote:If a government was to make it illegal to not have a vaccine, this sort of thing could be used to enforce that policy.

But, said government wouldn't get away with it unless that policy was transparent and had really strong public support.

Otherwise, I don't see how this technology could be used in a sinister way.

Hi Ben

you used the key word there,,,,transparency,,

have you ever known a government anywhere in the world in all of history that has been transparent about what they're doing?

by Original Quill Wed Dec 02, 2020 4:02 pm

Syl wrote:If it's 100% safe and the sole reason is to just store a persons vaccination history I dont see a problem.

They tattooed Jews in the concentration camps. It was 100% safe and the sole reason was to store a person's religious history.

See the problem, now?

by Syl Wed Dec 02, 2020 6:59 pm

Original Quill wrote:
Syl wrote:If it's 100% safe and the sole reason is to just store a persons vaccination history I dont see a problem.

They tattooed Jews in the concentration camps. It was 100% safe and the sole reason was to store a person's religious history.

See the problem, now?

Hmmm....a bit of a tenuous connection Quill.
The Jews in concentration camps were prisoners who were forcibly tattooed....and the tattoo was not for their benefit, a vaccine against a potentially deadly disease is.

by Tommy Monk Wed Dec 02, 2020 7:33 pm

How long before peoole are scanned and treated differently based on whether mark is found or not...?

For example, allowed access to shops or public transport etc...?

Then what's next...?

ID chips under the skin too?

Tracked and monitored everywhere we go?

Have you ever seen 'Logans run'...?

by gelico Wed Dec 02, 2020 10:21 pm

Syl wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

Th

they tattooed Jews in the concentration camps. It was 100% safe and the sole reason was to store a person's religious history.

See the problem, now?

Hmmm....a bit of a tenuous connection Quill.
The Jews in concentration camps were prisoners who were forcibly tattooed....and the tattoo was not for their benefit, a vaccine against a potentially deadly disease is.

it'ts not tenuous at all syl. Quill is right

first you can't travel on an aeroplane
then you can't travel on a boat

then it just carries on from there,,,,

nor a train
nor a bus
can't enter cinema
can't enter shops
can't enter any building that the general public use

then,,,,#

can't even go outside your own house for a solitary walk

no prison?

people need to wake the fuck up to what's really happening

that's what

by Syl Thu Dec 03, 2020 1:10 am

gelico wrote:
Syl wrote:

Hmmm....a bit of a tenuous connection Quill.
The Jews in concentration camps were prisoners who were forcibly tattooed....and the tattoo was not for their benefit, a vaccine against a potentially deadly disease is.

it'ts not tenuous at all syl. Quill is right

first you can't travel on an aeroplane
then you can't travel on a boat

then it just carries on from there,,,,

nor a train
nor a bus
can't enter cinema
can't enter shops
can't enter any building that the general public use

then,,,,#

can't even go outside your own house for a solitary walk

no prison?

people need to wake the fuck up to what's really happening

that's what

That's all conjecture Gels.

Firstly the vaccine is to control a deadly virus.
It hasn't been manufactured to control anyone, it' been manufactured to save lives.
There is nothing in the vaccines about to become available that could track anyones movements.

Maybe in the future there will be, and people will have free will whether to be vaccinated or not.

If they refuse they may be denied entry into certain countries, but even now some countries refuse entry if you cant prove you have been vaccinated for some diseases......maybe Covid will be added to that list in future.

Personally, I think if a deadly pandemic is active and people refuse a safe vaccination in order to protect not only themselves but others, then if they are banned from entering certain places, they have only themselves to blame.

by Tommy Monk Thu Dec 03, 2020 1:56 am

Syl... in your above post you said this...

"...even now some countries refuse entry if you cant prove you have been vaccinated for some diseases..."

I didn't know anything about any of that... Can you tell me which countries do this and what vaccinations they stipulate?

by gelico Thu Dec 03, 2020 2:07 am

Syl wrote:
gelico wrote:

it'ts not tenuous at all syl. Quill is right

first you can't travel on an aeroplane
then you can't travel on a boat

then it just carries on from there,,,,

nor a train
nor a bus
can't enter cinema
can't enter shops
can't enter any building that the general public use

then,,,,#

can't even go outside your own house for a solitary walk

no prison?

people need to wake the fuck up to what's really happening

that's what

That's all conjecture Gels.

Firstly the vaccine is to control a deadly virus.
It hasn't been manufactured to control anyone, it' been manufactured to save lives.
There is nothing in the vaccines about to become available that could track anyones movements.

Maybe in the future there will be, and people will have free will whether to be vaccinated or not.

If they refuse they may be denied entry into certain countries, but even now some countries refuse entry if you cant prove you have been vaccinated for some diseases......maybe Covid will be added to that list in future.

Personally, I think if a deadly pandemic is active and people refuse a safe vaccination in order to protect not only themselves but others, then if they are banned from entering certain places, they have only themselves to blame.

deadly pandemic?

syl, even the NHS's own statistics prove it's not a deadly pandemic. the amount of people that died just of covid virus was less than 3000.

it's bad flu which can also kill many people and does every year

meantime, cancer has shot through the roof due to no treatments available

every other illness has suffered and worsened due to the over reaction to covid

who told you it was a deadly pandemic?

by Original Quill Thu Dec 03, 2020 4:12 am

Syl wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

They tattooed Jews in the concentration camps. It was 100% safe and the sole reason was to store a person's religious history.

See the problem, now?

Hmmm....a bit of a tenuous connection Quill.
The Jews in concentration camps were prisoners who were forcibly tattooed....and the tattoo was not for their benefit, a vaccine against a potentially deadly disease is.

Distinctions without a difference, Syl. The point is, how easy is it to turn such tattoos into other purposes. The more we allow them to invade our privacy, the more we become like the Jews...prisoners. And that's the way Lexis has gotten you ensnared: they make you think it's for your benefit, then when you're not looking, they are listening into to your most private conversations.

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by Eilzel Thu Dec 03, 2020 5:13 am

Syl wrote:
gelico wrote:
Syl wrote:

Hmmm....a bit of a tenuous connection Quill.
The Jews in concentration camps were prisoners who were forcibly tattooed....and the tattoo was not for their benefit, a vaccine against a potentially deadly disease is.

it'ts not tenuous at all syl. Quill is right

first you can't travel on an aeroplane
then you can't travel on a boat

then it just carries on from there,,,,

nor a train
nor a bus
can't enter cinema
can't enter shops
can't enter any building that the general public use

then,,,,#

can't even go outside your own house for a solitary walk

no prison?

people need to wake the fuck up to what's really happening

that's what

That's all conjecture Gels.

Firstly the vaccine is to control a deadly virus.
It hasn't been manufactured to control anyone, it' been manufactured to save lives.
There is nothing in the vaccines about to become available that could track anyones movements.

Maybe in the future there will be, and people will have free will whether to be vaccinated or not.

If they refuse they may be denied entry into certain countries, but even now some countries refuse entry if you cant prove you have been vaccinated for some diseases......maybe Covid will be added to that list in future.

Personally, I think if a deadly pandemic is active and people refuse a safe vaccination in order to protect not only themselves but others, then if they are banned from entering certain places, they have only themselves to blame.

I'm with you on this. I don't see what people are scared of. The government doesn't give a shit about the average Joe's average life. They do want as many people as possible to be actively involved in the economy. The vaccine would reduce the infection rate and would let as get back to normal.

by Eilzel Thu Dec 03, 2020 5:14 am

gelico wrote:
Syl wrote:
gelico wrote:

it'ts not tenuous at all syl. Quill is right

first you can't travel on an aeroplane
then you can't travel on a boat

then it just carries on from there,,,,

nor a train
nor a bus
can't enter cinema
can't enter shops
can't enter any building that the general public use

then,,,,#

can't even go outside your own house for a solitary walk

no prison?

people need to wake the fuck up to what's really happening

that's what

That's all conjecture Gels.

Firstly the vaccine is to control a deadly virus.
It hasn't been manufactured to control anyone, it' been manufactured to save lives.
There is nothing in the vaccines about to become available that could track anyones movements.

Maybe in the future there will be, and people will have free will whether to be vaccinated or not.

If they refuse they may be denied entry into certain countries, but even now some countries refuse entry if you cant prove you have been vaccinated for some diseases......maybe Covid will be added to that list in future.

Personally, I think if a deadly pandemic is active and people refuse a safe vaccination in order to protect not only themselves but others, then if they are banned from entering certain places, they have only themselves to blame.

deadly pandemic?

syl, even the NHS's own statistics prove it's not a deadly pandemic. the amount of people that died just of covid virus was less than 3000.

it's bad flu which can also kill many people and does every year

meantime, cancer has shot through the roof due to no treatments available

every other illness has suffered and worsened due to the over reaction to covid

who told you it was a deadly pandemic?

Do you have a link that shows cast iron proof that only 3000 people have died from just covid?

by Vintage Thu Dec 03, 2020 9:51 am

The government already can keep tabs on whomever they like, if you don't want a vaccine that could leave a mark that gives certain information because of this then you need to stop using mobile phones, computers, home security cameras and all those other little devices you wear or have in your home/car.

by Syl Thu Dec 03, 2020 12:01 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:

Syl... in your above post you said this...

"...even now some countries refuse entry if you cant prove you have been vaccinated for some diseases..."

I didn't know anything about any of that... Can you tell me which countries do this and what vaccinations they stipulate?

"Some countries require proof of vaccination (for example, for polio or yellow fever vaccination), which must be documented on an International Certificate of Vaccination or Prophylaxis (ICVP) before you enter or when you leave a country.

Saudi Arabia requires proof of vaccination against certain types of meningitis for visitors arriving for the Hajj and Umrah pilgrimages."

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/travel-vaccinations/

"Countries Requiring Proof of Yellow Fever Vaccination from U.S. Travelers
These countries are listed on the World Health Organization's International Travel and Health website as requiring proof of vaccination for yellow fever for all travelers entering the country, including from the U.S., as of May 2020. Check with the WHO site for the latest updates around immunization requirements."

https://www.tripsavvy.com/countries-requiring-yellow-fever-vaccination-2972946

by Syl Thu Dec 03, 2020 12:15 pm

gelico wrote:
Syl wrote:
That's all conjecture Gels.

Firstly the vaccine is to control a deadly virus.
It hasn't been manufactured to control anyone, it' been manufactured to save lives.
There is nothing in the vaccines about to become available that could track anyones movements.

Maybe in the future there will be, and people will have free will whether to be vaccinated or not.

If they refuse they may be denied entry into certain countries, but even now some countries refuse entry if you cant prove you have been vaccinated for some diseases......maybe Covid will be added to that list in future.

Personally, I think if a deadly pandemic is active and people refuse a safe vaccination in order to protect not only themselves but others, then if they are banned from entering certain places, they have only themselves to blame.

deadly pandemic?

syl, even the NHS's own statistics prove it's not a deadly pandemic. the amount of people that died just of covid virus was less than 3000.

it's bad flu which can also kill many people and does every year

meantime, cancer has shot through the roof due to no treatments available

every other illness has suffered and worsened due to the over reaction to covid

who told you it was a deadly pandemic?

I think the figure of almost one and a half million deaths caused by Covid19 since it hit is proof that it's deadly Gels.
I would like to see NHS official figures that only 3000 people have died specifically of Covid in the UK.

My OH is very fit, he does however have type 2 diabetes which is well controlled. Were he to catch and die of coronavirus he would no doubt be placed in the bracket of 'he died of existing health condition' ...oh and he had corona too, but it didn't kill him.

I agree that cancer treatments, many other treatments, and mental health problems have also worsened since this virus started.
I also think the virus will be with us a lot longer than necessary by people who flout the rules of social distancing, refusing to wear masks in public places, and more importantly, refusing to be vaccinated because they are convinced the bogeyman is out to get them. Rolling Eyes

The longer this virus is spreading the more people will deprived treatments for other diseases....the more people who have the vaccine the quicker this bloody plague will be under control.

by Syl Thu Dec 03, 2020 12:23 pm

Original Quill wrote:
Syl wrote:

Hmmm....a bit of a tenuous connection Quill.
The Jews in concentration camps were prisoners who were forcibly tattooed....and the tattoo was not for their benefit, a vaccine against a potentially deadly disease is.

Distinctions without a difference, Syl. The point is, how easy is it to turn such tattoos into other purposes. The more we allow them to invade our privacy, the more we become like the Jews...prisoners. And that's the way Lexis has gotten you ensnared: they make you think it's for your benefit, then when you're not looking, they are listening into to your most private conversations.

Sorry Quill, I don't go along with these frankly ridiculous conspiracy theories.

I actually think, in this climate, where in this country alone hundreds of people are dying daily because of Covid, peoples livelihoods are being destroyed, and mental and physical health of many are being ruined because of a virus that people will shortly be able to be vaccinated against, to spout daft paranoid thoughts that gullible people may read and believe....is pretty foolhardy.

by Syl Thu Dec 03, 2020 12:27 pm

Eilzel wrote:
Syl wrote:
That's all conjecture Gels.

Firstly the vaccine is to control a deadly virus.
It hasn't been manufactured to control anyone, it' been manufactured to save lives.
There is nothing in the vaccines about to become available that could track anyones movements.

Maybe in the future there will be, and people will have free will whether to be vaccinated or not.

If they refuse they may be denied entry into certain countries, but even now some countries refuse entry if you cant prove you have been vaccinated for some diseases......maybe Covid will be added to that list in future.

Personally, I think if a deadly pandemic is active and people refuse a safe vaccination in order to protect not only themselves but others, then if they are banned from entering certain places, they have only themselves to blame.

I'm with you on this. I don't see what people are scared of. The government doesn't give a shit about the average Joe's average life. They do want as many people as possible to be actively involved in the economy. The vaccine would reduce the infection rate and would let as get back to normal.

If some shade men in black were wanting to spy on my M&S shopping list or know what I said to my OH in private a week last Tuesday.....they would be wasting their time, because for the average Joe/Joanne like me and millions others...there is nowt to see.

by gelico Thu Dec 03, 2020 1:54 pm

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by Maddog Thu Dec 03, 2020 2:51 pm

You can treat people and track people without some sort of mark on their body. Supposedly this is already done with covid tests. My mother had two positive tests but the system is set up to track her, and not list the two positive tests as two new cases, but one. All without any identifying marks on her body.

1984 was written as a warning to us, not a fucking how to manual for the government.

by Original Quill Thu Dec 03, 2020 4:24 pm

Syl wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

Distinctions without a difference, Syl. The point is, how easy is it to turn such tattoos into other purposes. The more we allow them to invade our privacy, the more we become like the Jews...prisoners. And that's the way Lexis has gotten you ensnared: they make you think it's for your benefit, then when you're not looking, they are listening into to your most private conversations.

Sorry Quill, I don't go along with these frankly ridiculous conspiracy theories.

I actually think, in this climate, where in this country alone hundreds of people are dying daily because of Covid, peoples livelihoods are being destroyed, and mental and physical health of many are being ruined because of a virus that people will shortly be able to be vaccinated against, to spout daft paranoid thoughts that gullible people may read and believe....is pretty foolhardy.

A lot of adjectives there, but little more. In America we believe in "life", "liberty" and "pursuit of happiness". "Life" comes before all else, and particularly before "pursuit of happiness"--which means, livelihoods and other fortunes. Once there were heathens who put sick children to work in factories and mills, but that is frowned upon today. Today, as humane citizens, we make sure that health comes before the pocketbooks of the rich.

I'm afraid you have drunk the Kool-Aid, and been gaslighted with the myth that wealth is more important than health. The people propagating this myth are the super-rich, whom the virus is beginning to affect by employees going home, and shutting down their businesses and factories. You've heard of them, I'm sure, as they are the 1% that have come into possession of 99% of the businesses and property of the western world.

Trump is one of those. Let's see...he was the one who told reporter Bob Woodward that he was keeping quiet how bad the virus was, so the stock market wouldn't suffer. You've heard of the stock market, right: the rich man's barometer of how his investments are doing?

The people who come up with the tripe that wealth is more important than health, are the selfish bastards of the world. They flirt with organized crime, and don't care how many people they kill. They are the people who invent the lies, and start wars in poor nations, like Iraq and Afghanistan. We've just gotten rid of one of their number, in the most powerful nation on earth...we should cleanse the room of his stink. Mad

by Syl Thu Dec 03, 2020 5:44 pm

Being in favour of a vaccine that will be able to stop the spread of a virus that is killing many thousands of people every day globally, is, I would have thought, exactly putting the health of the human race before anything else. Rolling Eyes

by Original Quill Thu Dec 03, 2020 6:06 pm

But, more specifically, we were talking about "branding" people for one purpose or another. The vaccine is one purpose, to be sure, but the same technology might be used for more nefarious purposes.

My point is simply that we should proceed cautiously, and write protective laws before-the-fact, rather as a reaction after the damage is done. As Sheldon Wolin used to say "Thought before action!

by Syl Thu Dec 03, 2020 6:21 pm

Original Quill wrote:But, more specifically, we were talking about "branding" people for one purpose or another. The vaccine is one purpose, to be sure, but the same technology might be used for more nefarious purposes.

My point is simply that we should proceed cautiously, and write protective laws before-the-fact, rather as a reaction after the damage is done. As Sheldon Wolin used to say "Thought before action!

It's not branding people though is it? Rolling Eyes

In the future there may or may not be a way to check whether a person has or has not been vaccinated for certain highly contagious diseases. It won't be done without their knowledge, it would be imo, an efficient way to keep track of who is vaccinated against the most contageous diseases and who isn't.
I don't have any paranoia that this will be used for sinister reasons.....I think you have been watching too many sci fi movies.

by Original Quill Thu Dec 03, 2020 6:58 pm

Syl wrote:It's not branding people though is it?

Yes, it is. That's the problem. All of this--the Lexis, the Key locks on doors, the camera and microphones in your child's room, etc., etc., are threats to our privacy and security. Just because it is introduced to us in a different light, does not mean it cannot be turned and used against us.

The government can do it as easily as a housebreaker. Just because it is a lawful agency, doesn't make it right. I'm reminded of something that Martin Luthur King would often remark: "Remember, everything that the Nazi's did was legal."

by Syl Thu Dec 03, 2020 7:06 pm

Well then if we are already being spied on and our every move analysed, if a vaccine that leaves a mark on the skin and can only be seen by a scanning device is ever introduced into society it won't make that much difference then will it.

by Maddog Thu Dec 03, 2020 7:13 pm

Nobody needs to put a mark on my body to prove I've done as instructed. They damn sure don't need to mark my body in a manner that they scan me like a bag of potatoes.

by Tommy Monk Thu Dec 03, 2020 7:21 pm

I don't want to be spied on at all!!!

by Original Quill Thu Dec 03, 2020 11:32 pm

Syl wrote:Well then if we are already being spied on and our every move analyzed, if a vaccine that leaves a mark on the skin and can only be seen by a scanning device is ever introduced into society it won't make that much difference then will it.

It might not be the present people in office who are the wrongdoers. In fact, it is highly doubtful that they are wise to the potential. But, in addition to present corruption, there is always the possibility of someone realizing in the future that the opportunity is there. It can come from right or left, so the only guard is to remove the opportunity. Thus, I say, remove the opportunity for wrongdoing...and remove any possibility for wrongdoing.

by Syl Fri Dec 04, 2020 12:04 am

Tommy Monk wrote:
I don't want to be spied on at all!!!

Well according to Quill your every move is being monitored.

I dont believe it is, I dont believe that even if a vaccine in the future does nclude a dye that can identify who has had the jab or not, it would be used in any way other than stated.
Bloody hell, when I was a kid the smallpox jab left a very visible to all mark on the arm.... and that one lasts a lifetime, not just a few years.

by Syl Fri Dec 04, 2020 12:07 am

Original Quill wrote:
Syl wrote:Well then if we are already being spied on and our every move analyzed, if a vaccine that leaves a mark on the skin and can only be seen by a scanning device is ever introduced into society it won't make that much difference then will it.

It might not be the present people in office who are the wrongdoers. In fact, it is highly doubtful that they are wise to the potential. But, in addition to present corruption, there is always the possibility of someone realizing in the future that the opportunity is there. It can come from right or left, so the only guard is to remove the opportunity. Thus, I say, remove the opportunity for wrongdoing...and remove any possibility for wrongdoing.

Quill, do you have a mobile phone?
That little device could give the authorities a damn site more info of your comings and goings than any vaccination......IF they were interested that is. Wink

by Eilzel Fri Dec 04, 2020 2:05 am

Syl wrote:
Original Quill wrote:
Syl wrote:Well then if we are already being spied on and our every move analyzed, if a vaccine that leaves a mark on the skin and can only be seen by a scanning device is ever introduced into society it won't make that much difference then will it.

It might not be the present people in office who are the wrongdoers. In fact, it is highly doubtful that they are wise to the potential. But, in addition to present corruption, there is always the possibility of someone realizing in the future that the opportunity is there. It can come from right or left, so the only guard is to remove the opportunity. Thus, I say, remove the opportunity for wrongdoing...and remove any possibility for wrongdoing.
Quill, do you have a mobile phone?
That little device could give the authorities a damn site more info of your comings and goings than any vaccination......IF they were interested that is.

Nobody wants to be spied on. Unless the thing they're using to spy on you is something you couldn't possibly imagine the inconvenience of being without Rolling Eyes

I guess a smart phone is just more visibly useful than those pesky little needles Neutral

(Gelico - still waiting on proof of that wild 3000 UK Covid deaths claim).

by Original Quill Fri Dec 04, 2020 4:19 am

Syl wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

It might not be the present people in office who are the wrongdoers. In fact, it is highly doubtful that they are wise to the potential. But, in addition to present corruption, there is always the possibility of someone realizing in the future that the opportunity is there. It can come from right or left, so the only guard is to remove the opportunity. Thus, I say, remove the opportunity for wrongdoing...and remove any possibility for wrongdoing.
Quill, do you have a mobile phone?
That little device could give the authorities a damn site more info of your comings and goings than any vaccination......IF they were interested that is.

Not if you turn it off. I do have a cell phone...but if I want to use it, I turn it on. If they want to leave a message or a voicemail they can call my office. I have secretaries who field messages, and I have lawyers who field problems, if it can't wait for me.

by Eilzel Fri Dec 04, 2020 5:26 am

Original Quill wrote:
Syl wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

It might not be the present people in office who are the wrongdoers. In fact, it is highly doubtful that they are wise to the potential. But, in addition to present corruption, there is always the possibility of someone realizing in the future that the opportunity is there. It can come from right or left, so the only guard is to remove the opportunity. Thus, I say, remove the opportunity for wrongdoing...and remove any possibility for wrongdoing.
Quill, do you have a mobile phone?
That little device could give the authorities a damn site more info of your comings and goings than any vaccination......IF they were interested that is.

Not if you turn it off. I do have a cell phone...but if I want to use it, I turn it on. If they want to leave a message or a voicemail they can call my office. I have secretaries who field messages, and I have lawyers who field problems, if it can't wait for me.

Yes, but your entire digital footprint gives them more information than they could ever possibly need. And as Syl mentioned, pretty much none of us are likely to be doing anything interesting enough to warrant government surveillance in any case.

by Maddog Fri Dec 04, 2020 3:26 pm

Eilzel wrote:
Syl wrote:
Quill, do you have a mobile phone?
That little device could give the authorities a damn site more info of your comings and goings than any vaccination......IF they were interested that is.

Nobody wants to be spied on. Unless the thing they're using to spy on you is something you couldn't possibly imagine the inconvenience of being without

I guess a smart phone is just more visibly useful than those pesky little needles

(Gelico - still waiting on proof of that wild 3000 UK Covid deaths claim).

I can leave the smart phone behind unlike a device implanted in my body.

by Maddog Fri Dec 04, 2020 3:29 pm

Oh, and for the record, turning off your smart phone wont make you invisible. There are bags you can place your phone in to to mask it.

Eizel, do you think the Chinese government should implant devices in HK protestors? You know, for the health benefits and all?

by Original Quill Fri Dec 04, 2020 3:59 pm

Eilzel wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

Not if you turn it off. I do have a cell phone...but if I want to use it, I turn it on. If they want to leave a message or a voicemail they can call my office. I have secretaries who field messages, and I have lawyers who field problems, if it can't wait for me.

Yes, but your entire digital footprint gives them more information than they could ever possibly need. And as Syl mentioned, pretty much none of us are likely to be doing anything interesting enough to warrant government surveillance in any case.

I don't disagree with that. All of these convenience-devices that "come to us" to make life easier, also send information about us to others. That is the point. We are being suckered in by the convenience, and get hemmed in the process.

Like these vaccination marks. They come to us as a convenience to us, and end up being a blanket over us.

by Maddog Fri Dec 04, 2020 4:04 pm

Vaccines designed to leave mark on skin that can be scanned by a device Fb_im147

Just rolled across my Facebook page. Cool

by eddie Fri Dec 04, 2020 9:17 pm

Maddog wrote:Yeah, I'll skip the mark of the beast.

You and me both. I don’t trust it at all.

by Ben Reilly Fri Dec 04, 2020 9:38 pm

I just don't really see a plausible scenario in which it would be abused. If someone can illustrate that for me rather than invoking 1984 or the Nazis, I'd be game.

by Ben Reilly Fri Dec 04, 2020 9:39 pm

I mean, right now, London bus drivers don't have the authority to kick you off the bus if you refuse to wear a mask. Hard to imagine a scenario where you have to get scanned before you can shop at Tesco's.

by Original Quill Fri Dec 04, 2020 9:48 pm

Ben Reilly wrote:I just don't really see a plausible scenario in which it would be abused. If someone can illustrate that for me rather than invoking 1984 or the Nazis, I'd be game.

That's like saying: can you describe democracy, without mentioning the US or western Europe? You're being herded, silly ninny. The mark is the first step to identifying you as this group, or that.

by Ben Reilly Fri Dec 04, 2020 9:54 pm

Original Quill wrote:
Ben Reilly wrote:I just don't really see a plausible scenario in which it would be abused. If someone can illustrate that for me rather than invoking 1984 or the Nazis, I'd be game.

That's like saying: can you describe democracy, without mentioning the US or western Europe? You're being herded, silly ninny. The mark is the first step to identifying you as this group, or that.

Sorry I'm so stupid! Could you give me the next few steps?

by eddie Fri Dec 04, 2020 9:59 pm

Perhaps some people may think it’s stupid to be suspicious and perhaps they’re right, but I think it’s pretty good to have an open mind and allow for the fact we don’t know everything, and to allow for the fact that we have very probably been “tricked” by things before.

But perhaps I’m stupid to not trust the powers that be...

Who knows? Razz

by Vintage Fri Dec 04, 2020 10:21 pm

So those who have no wish to have the mark of the beast will resist any and all vaccinations and any medical procedures just in case you are implanted with a device to track your ever boring actions? Did you have vaccinations as a baby - perhaps you are already implanted.

by eddie Fri Dec 04, 2020 10:30 pm

Vintage wrote:So those who have no wish to have the mark of the beast will resist any and all vaccinations and any medical procedures just in case you are implanted with a device to track your ever boring actions? Did you have vaccinations as a baby - perhaps you are already implanted.

Good points. I don’t disagree, and yet...I will not jump to get the vaccine, and I will still remain vigilant while I watch and wait.

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