will you be buying/wearing a poppy??

Raggamuffin wrote:I have one. Someone else bought it for me though.

heavenlyfather wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:I have one. Someone else bought it for me though.

I hope you wear it though.... heard someone say it was racist, the poppy represents the fallen of every nation, how can it be racist??

Raggamuffin wrote:

heavenlyfather wrote:

I hope you wear it though.... heard someone say it was racist, the poppy represents the fallen of every nation, how can it be racist??

Of course it's not racist, and I will wear it - only on the correct day though.

Syl wrote:I have allready got my crystal one out and am wearing it.
I will also buy one from the man who sells them in Asda.

Only idiots say thepoppy is racist or celebrating war....it's worn to remember the brave who have fallen in the wars.

heavenlyfather wrote:

Syl wrote:I have allready got my crystal one out and am wearing it.
I will also buy one from the man who sells them in Asda.

Only idiots say thepoppy is racist or celebrating war....it's worn to remember the brave who have fallen in the wars.

well done, glad to hear it, yes it is to remember those of every nation who fell..

Syl wrote:

heavenlyfather wrote:

well done, glad to hear it, yes it is to remember those of every nation who fell..

Hi HF, I dont think we have met.
Yes, wearing the poppy is just to respect and remember the memory of the brave men and women who died in conflict.

Lord Foul wrote:yep I will be buying one and wearing it ...and it will be a red one, not that dreadful white cowards poppy. The money from which goes to support, NOT our elderly or injured ex service men and women, but a "lefty" cause

quote "According to the Peace Pledge Union website: ‘Any money raised over and above the cost of producing, publicising and distributing the white poppies goes to fund our education work.’"

Read more: https://metro.co.uk/2018/10/25/where-does-white-poppy-money-go-what-the-peace-pledge-union-do-with-their-proceeds-8074618/?ito=cbshare

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oh aye......whats left over AFTER everyone in line has taken a slice no doubt.....

fund our education indoctrination  work

Like many in the 1930s, the PPU supported aspects of appeasement, with some members suggesting that Nazi Germany would cease its aggression if the territorial provisions of the Versailles Treaty were undone. It backed Neville Chamberlain's policy at Munich in 1938, regarding Hitler's claims on the Sudetenland as legitimate. At the time of the Munich crisis, several PPU sponsors tried to send "five thousand pacifists to the Sudetenland as a non-violent presence", however this attempt came to nothing.

Peace News editor and PPU sponsor John Middleton Murry and his supporters in the group caused considerable controversy by arguing Germany should be given control of parts of mainland Europe. In a PPU publication, Warmongers, Clive Bell said that Germany should be permitted to "absorb" France, Poland, the Low Countries and the Balkans. However, this was never the official policy of the PPU and the position quickly drew criticism from other PPU activists such as Vera Brittain and Andrew Stewart. It is also notable that Clive Bell left the PPU shortly afterwards and by 1940 he was supporting the war.

Some PPU supporters were so sympathetic to German grievances that PPU supporter Rose Macaulay claimed she found it difficult to distinguish between the PPU newspaper Peace News and that of the British Union of Fascists (BUF), saying, "Occasionally when reading Peace News, I (and others) half think we have got hold of the [BUF journal] Blackshirt by mistake". There was Fascist infiltration of the PPU and MI5 kept an eye on the PPU's "small Fascist connections". After Dick Sheppard's death in October 1937, George Orwell, always hostile to pacifism, accused the PPU of "moral collapse" on the grounds that some members even joined the BUF. However, several historians note that the situation may have been the other way around; that is, BUF members attempted to infiltrate the PPU. On 11 August 1939, the Deputy Editor of Peace News, Andrew Stewart, criticised those "who think that membership of British Union, Sir Oswald Moseley's Fascist organization, is compatible with membership of the PPU".In November 1939, an MI5 officer reported that members of the far-right Nordic League were attempting "to join the PPU en masse".

Historians have differed in their interpretation of the PPU's attitude to Nazi Germany. The historian Mark Gilbert said, "it is hard to think of a British newspaper that was so consistent an apologist for Nazi Germany as Peace News," which "assiduously echoed the Nazi press's claims that far worse offences than the Kristallnacht events were a regular feature of British colonial rule". But David C. Lukowitz argues that, "it is nonsense to charge the PPU with pro-Nazi sentiments. From the outset it emphasised that its primary dedication was to world peace, to economic justice and racial equality," but it had "too much sympathy for the German position, often the product of ignorance and superficial thinking". Research by the historian Richard Griffiths, published in 2017, suggests considerable division and controversy at the top of the PPU, with the editors of Peace News being generally more willing to play down the dangers of Nazi Germany than were many members of the PPU Executive.

Controversy over the PPU's attitude towards Nazi Germany has continued ever since the war. In 1950, Rebecca West, in her book The Meaning of Treason, described the PPU as "that ambiguous organisation which in the name of peace was performing many actions certain to benefit Hitler". The publishers removed the phrase from subsequent editions of the book following representations by the PPU, but West refused to apologise. As recently as 2017, the right-wing commentator and retired colonel Richard Kemp alleged on Good Morning Britain that the PPU were "arch-appeasers" who had supported the absorption of the Low Countries into Germany's sphere of influence. This was denied by the PPU representative on the programme, who stated that the PPU had campaigned against arms sales to Fascist regimes when the UK government was selling weapons to Mussolini.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peace_Pledge_Union#Attitudes_towards_Nazi_Germany

HoratioTarr wrote:I always buy one, and no fucker's gonna tell me I can't wear it either.  (Note to all members:   That was not aimed at Quill)

heavenlyfather wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Of course it's not racist, and I will wear it - only on the correct day though.

I tend to wear mine a lot longer, I really believe we need to learn from wars and not repeat them.

eddie wrote:Do you mean “Britain First” the political movement, or that Britain hijacked them before anyone else?

Grammar dude. Not sure what you’re chattin’.

*THE Ben Reilly* wrote:So I don't know much about this topic. Is the main reason that some people find poppies racist is because Britain First hijacked them?

veya_victaous wrote:

*THE Ben Reilly* wrote:So I don't know much about this topic. Is the main reason that some people find poppies racist is because Britain First hijacked them?

It seems very odd to consider them racist  
I'd suggest it is an extreme minority probably one of these British student union leaders... who spend way too much time not ensuring the ready availability cheap alcohol to their members 

Down here we wear them more on Anzac day (25th of April) even I buy them, I never heard anyone consider them racist

I also find it 'odd' that people have fancy reusable ones
down here part of the point is the money goes to 'ex-service' charities
so you buy new ones every year

Angry Andy wrote:I have a big metal pin that is specific to my former career. Paid plenty for it and 80% of the cost went straight to the British Legion..

Eilzel wrote:

veya_victaous wrote:

*THE Ben Reilly* wrote:So I don't know much about this topic. Is the main reason that some people find poppies racist is because Britain First hijacked them?

It seems very odd to consider them racist  
I'd suggest it is an extreme minority probably one of these British student union leaders... who spend way too much time not ensuring the ready availability cheap alcohol to their members 

Down here we wear them more on Anzac day (25th of April) even I buy them, I never heard anyone consider them racist

I also find it 'odd' that people have fancy reusable ones
down here part of the point is the money goes to 'ex-service' charities
so you buy new ones every year

I suppose if the reusable one cost a bit then a greater amount goes to charity in one go. Not sure.

And no one I know considers them racist nor have themselves encountered anyone who does. An extreme, minuscule number may complain I guess, but not enough to warrant the insane numbers of articles I hear about it nor the endless deluge of Facebook posts declaring how 'not fucking offensive' the poppy is, that I see from an irritating minority of people on Facebook  

*THE Ben Reilly* wrote:

Eilzel wrote:

veya_victaous wrote:

*THE Ben Reilly* wrote:So I don't know much about this topic. Is the main reason that some people find poppies racist is because Britain First hijacked them?

It seems very odd to consider them racist  
I'd suggest it is an extreme minority probably one of these British student union leaders... who spend way too much time not ensuring the ready availability cheap alcohol to their members 

Down here we wear them more on Anzac day (25th of April) even I buy them, I never heard anyone consider them racist

I also find it 'odd' that people have fancy reusable ones
down here part of the point is the money goes to 'ex-service' charities
so you buy new ones every year

I suppose if the reusable one cost a bit then a greater amount goes to charity in one go. Not sure.

And no one I know considers them racist nor have themselves encountered anyone who does. An extreme, minuscule number may complain I guess, but not enough to warrant the insane numbers of articles I hear about it nor the endless deluge of Facebook posts declaring how 'not fucking offensive' the poppy is, that I see from an irritating minority of people on Facebook  

Oh, I see. It's a bit like how every year around Christmas, the right works itself into a frenzy because somebody said "Happy Holidays," and they do round-the-clock coverage of the liberal "War on Christmas."

*THE Ben Reilly* wrote:Well, we don't allow Nativity scenes in schools here anyway. Separation of church and state tings  (actually I think Santa is allowed in our schools)

veya_victaous wrote:

*THE Ben Reilly* wrote:So I don't know much about this topic. Is the main reason that some people find poppies racist is because Britain First hijacked them?

It seems very odd to consider them racist  
I'd suggest it is an extreme minority probably one of these British student union leaders... who spend way too much time not ensuring the ready availability cheap alcohol to their members 

Down here we wear them more on Anzac day (25th of April) even I buy them, I never heard anyone consider them racist

I also find it 'odd' that people have fancy reusable ones
down here part of the point is the money goes to 'ex-service' charities
so you buy new ones every year

nicko wrote:My Son had a large Poppy on the Rad grill of his car, he came out of the Market to find two brown faced idiots trying to pull it off ! He drove away leaving them in the gutter,  lying down I might add !

Syl wrote:

veya_victaous wrote:

It seems very odd to consider them racist  
I'd suggest it is an extreme minority probably one of these British student union leaders... who spend way too much time not ensuring the ready availability cheap alcohol to their members 

Down here we wear them more on Anzac day (25th of April) even I buy them, I never heard anyone consider them racist

I also find it 'odd' that people have fancy reusable ones
down here part of the point is the money goes to 'ex-service' charities
so you buy new ones every year

The reusable crystal or enamel ones are, as well as showing support for poppy day, a nice piece of jewellery. It's important to buy them from either the British legion poppy shop or a place that sells them and donates the profits to them.
When you buy direct from the British Legion  they keep you updated on merchandise they sell, plus raffles etc...so you can give as much or as little as you want to thereafter.

https://www.poppyshop.org.uk/


I agree it is always good to also buy the paper poppy too every year.