a conundrum for the liberal left

Neo-Nazi and National Front organiser comes out as gay and reveals his Jewish heritage as he quits far right

A Neo-Nazi and National Front organiser has today revealed his Jewish heritage and come out as gay as he quits the far right.

White supremacist Kevin Wilshaw today opened up about his violent past after being involved with the far right his whole life.

The well-known National Front organiser in the 1980s was still active earlier this year when he would speak at events.

But speaking on Channel 4 News he explains for the first time why he is publicly disowning the movement and that he was subjected to abuse because he is gay.

Former National Front organiser Kevin Wilshaw was still active earlier this year when he would speak at events

He also revealed he is of Jewish heritage despite being a Neo-Nazi and shared a number of his secrets on the programme.

Mr Wilshaw said: 'On one or two occasions in the recent past I've actually been the recipient of the very hatred of the people I want to belong to.

'If you're gay it is acceptable in society but with these group of people it's not acceptable, and I found on one or two occasions when I was suspected of being gay I was subjected to abuse.'

He admitted that being a gay Nazi - with a Jewish background - is a contradiction of what he has spoken about for the best part of 40 years.

He added: 'It's a terribly selfish thing to say but it's true, I saw people being abused, shouted at, spat at in the street - it's not until it's directed at you that you suddenly realise that what you're doing is wrong.

'You have other members leading National Front who are overtly gay. And nobody could see the contradiction of it that you have an overtly gay person leading a homophobic organisation, makes no sense.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4989712/Neo-Nazi-National-organiser-comes-gay.html

i wonder what the alt-left liberal hate mob of newsfix will say to this??

will they foam and froth at the mouth and condemn him??

or will we once again be treated to another showing of liberal hate mobs ever shifting principles??

Um ... he grew the fuck up, and good for him!

smelly-bandit wrote:
i wonder what the alt-left liberal hate mob of newsfix will say to this??

will they foam and froth at the mouth and condemn him??

or will we once again be treated to another showing of liberal hate mobs ever shifting principles??

As the above nonsense is composed of lies, gibberish, more lies and even more nonsense...

Smelly'MuddleHeadedWombat'Bumster than ends with a silly question that can't be answered intelligently..

What "alt.left"  ?

Why would anyone "foam and froth at the mouth and condemn him.."  ?

What "liberal hate mobs"  ?

Sounds to me like he was a racist geranium who only stopped being a racist geranium when he realised what it felt like to be discriminated against. I have no sympathy for him and would be concerned he still holds some neo-nazi views despite his disassossiation with the group. Though at least he has quit the group, which is something.

A "conundrum" can be defined as a 'confusing or difficult' question;    sometimes asked for amusement or as a riddle;   often using a 'play on words' or a pun in the answer...

A problem that is difficult to deal with..  (Cambridge dictionary).

So --  
where exactly is this "conundrum" that SmellyIlliteratiBum' alludes to here  ?

Eilzel wrote:Sounds to me like he was a racist geranium who only stopped being a racist geranium when he realised what it felt like to be discriminated against. I have no sympathy for him and would be concerned he still holds some neo-nazi views despite his disassossiation with the group. Though at least he has quit the group, which is something.

but he is gay

doesn't that make him one of the golden children??

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:

A "conundrum" can be defined as a 'confusing or difficult' question;    sometimes asked for amusement or as a riddle;   often using a 'play on words' or a pun in the answer...

A problem that is difficult to deal with..  (Cambridge dictionary).

So --  
where exactly is this "conundrum" that SmellyIlliteratiBum' alludes to here  ?

had to look up the big word did you??

smelly-bandit wrote:

Eilzel wrote:Sounds to me like he was a racist geranium who only stopped being a racist geranium when he realised what it felt like to be discriminated against. I have no sympathy for him and would be concerned he still holds some neo-nazi views despite his disassossiation with the group. Though at least he has quit the group, which is something.

but he is gay

doesn't  that make him one of the golden children??

Why would it?

''it's not until it's directed at you that you suddenly realise that what you're doing is wrong''

really? he didn't realise before?

total twattery

Ben Reilly wrote:Um ... he grew the fuck up, and good for him!

Quite.

Eilzel wrote:

smelly-bandit wrote:

but he is gay

doesn't  that make him one of the golden children??

Why would it?

well you seem to think that being gay is a get out of jail free card for everything

eddie wrote:

Ben Reilly wrote:Um ... he grew the fuck up, and good for him!

Quite.

what about nick griffin??

does he get a second chance??

smelly-bandit wrote:

Eilzel wrote:

smelly-bandit wrote:

but he is gay

doesn't  that make him one of the golden children??

Why would it?

well you seem to think that being gay is a get out of jail free card for everything

Erm, no I don't. You just make it up as you go along, don't you.

smelly-bandit wrote:

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:

A "conundrum" can be defined as a 'confusing or difficult' question;    sometimes asked for amusement or as a riddle;   often using a 'play on words' or a pun in the answer...

A problem that is difficult to deal with..  (Cambridge dictionary).

So --  
where exactly is this "conundrum" that SmellyIlliteratiBum' alludes to here  ?

had to look up the big word did you??

I already knew the usual meanings of the word...

I'm just wondering if there's a minor or secondary or rarely used meaning out there somewhere, that could in any way make your idiotic question a genuine "conundrum"..

Nope, sorry SmellyTwatBum', still can't find anything there.

smelly-bandit wrote:

Eilzel wrote:Sounds to me like he was a racist geranium who only stopped being a racist geranium when he realised what it felt like to be discriminated against. I have no sympathy for him and would be concerned he still holds some neo-nazi views despite his disassossiation with the group. Though at least he has quit the group, which is something.

but he is gay

doesn't  that make him one of the golden children??

no twat for brains we judge people on their words and deeds, not their sexual orientation

this is why you have no clue, you can't fathom not judging someone of some minor irrelevant aspect like sexuality or skin color

Eilzel wrote:

smelly-bandit wrote:

well you seem to think that being gay is a get out of jail free card for everything

Erm, no I don't. You just make it up as you go along, don't you.

There's the get out of jail card

veya_victaous wrote:

smelly-bandit wrote:

but he is gay

doesn't  that make him one of the golden children??

no twat for brains we judge people on their words and deeds, not their sexual orientation

this is why you have no clue, you can't fathom not judging someone of some minor irrelevant aspect  like sexuality or skin color

Well BLM are a black domestic terrorist and supremacist movement that bases its own actions and words on their skin colour so we must condemn them both for their actions and for being black since both are inseparable

smelly-bandit wrote:

Eilzel wrote:

smelly-bandit wrote:

well you seem to think that being gay is a get out of jail free card for everything

Erm, no I don't. You just make it up as you go along, don't you.

There's the get out of jail card

You are so full of crap, smelly. Do you even understabd what you're saying sometimes?

Eilzel wrote:

smelly-bandit wrote:

There's the get out of jail card

You are so full of crap, smelly. Do you even understabd what you're saying sometimes?

I always understand what I'm saying, your problem is you don't understand I'm thinking  3-4 responses ahead paving the path I want you to take.

smelly-bandit wrote:

Eilzel wrote:

smelly-bandit wrote:

There's the get out of jail card

You are so full of crap, smelly. Do you even understabd what you're saying sometimes?

I always understand what I'm saying, your problem is you don't understand I'm thinking  3-4 responses ahead  paving the path I want you to take.

Ah there's that ego stroking again. Please do yourself a favour and find sonething fulling outside of forum posturing. You aren't as clever as you think you are, and while you are clever enough to avoid outright breaking rules, I'm seriously considering begging Ben to make your boringly inane circular arguments a banning offense

Eilzel wrote:

smelly-bandit wrote:

I always understand what I'm saying, your problem is you don't understand I'm thinking  3-4 responses ahead  paving the path I want you to take.

Ah there's that ego stroking again. Please do yourself a favour and find sonething fulling outside of forum posturing. You aren't as clever as you think you are, and while you are clever enough to avoid outright breaking rules, I'm seriously considering begging Ben to make your boringly inane circular arguments a banning offense

You want to ban me because you don't like my arguments??

I don't think you'd have to beg him or any other mod too hard to change the rules, I meanevery time you lot speak to me it normally goes along the lines of "abandon your argument or we will ban you"

Why do you think I don't post /stop posting on threads where Ben and LF post??

Now I suppose I will have to add you to the list.

Guess I'll just have to start talking to myself

You do that. Problem with you is you just talk rubbish and every other sentence is self congratulation. If you aren't going to discuss points normally then do yourself and others a favour and jog off back to Flap.

Eilzel wrote:You do that. Problem with you is you just talk rubbish and every other sentence is self congratulation. If you aren't going to discuss points normally then do yourself and others a favour and jog off back to Flap.

Stench applauds himself even before posting.
It is called suffering from premature congratulation. A thing Stench knows all about.
I guess most women he goes with want it to finish asap.

smelly-bandit wrote:

Eilzel wrote:

Ah there's that ego stroking again. Please do yourself a favour and find sonething fulling outside of forum posturing. You aren't as clever as you think you are, and while you are clever enough to avoid outright breaking rules, I'm seriously considering begging Ben to make your boringly inane circular arguments a banning offense

You want to ban me because you don't like my arguments??

I don't think you'd have to beg him or any other mod too hard to change the rules, I meanevery time you lot speak to me it normally goes along the lines of "abandon your argument or we will ban you"

Why do you think I don't post /stop posting on threads where Ben and LF post??

Now I suppose I will have to add you to the list.

Guess I'll just have to start talking to myself

It might come as news to you, but you are doing that already.

Eilzel wrote:You do that. Problem with you is you just talk rubbish and every other sentence is self congratulation. If you aren't going to discuss points normally then do yourself and others a favour and jog off back to Flap.

Well that's your opinion

Others on here will think I talk sense

It would seem I'm at somewhat of a disadvantage when personal feelings dictates forum policy, seems I'm doomed either way no matter what I say or don't say.

Why don't you just come out and say which rule I've broken or what it is I've done wrong

Have I attacked you the way Wolfe and Andy attack me with every post? (with impunity)

Have I been rude or impolite to you??

Have I sworn at you??

As far as I can tell elizel, the only thing I've done wrong is challenge your principles.

smelly-bandit wrote:

Eilzel wrote:You do that. Problem with you is you just talk rubbish and every other sentence is self congratulation. If you aren't going to discuss points normally then do yourself and others a favour and jog off back to Flap.

Well that's your opinion

Others on here will think I talk sense

It would seem I'm at somewhat of a disadvantage when personal feelings dictates forum policy, seems I'm doomed either way no matter what I say or don't say.

Why don't you just come out and say which rule I've broken or what it is I've done wrong

Have I attacked you the way Wolfe and Andy attack me with every post? (with impunity)

Have I been rude or impolite to you??

Have I sworn at you??

As far as I can tell elizel, the only thing I've done wrong is challenge your principles.

Did I say you'd broken a rule? No. But if you want to make it easy then please, be my guest

smelly-bandit wrote:

Eilzel wrote:

You are so full of crap, smelly. Do you even understabd what you're saying sometimes?

I always understand what I'm saying, your problem is you don't understand I'm thinking  3-4 responses ahead  paving the path I want you to take.

More self-delusional self-adoration from one of the stupidest racist dolts to yet visit NewsFix...

Considers himself that far superior to everyone else on here, yet doesn't realise just how stupidly ignorant he comes across..

If he is really so smart, what's the demented little Floptard doing telegrahing his attempted "piss_takes" so often like this  ?

smelly-bandit wrote:

Eilzel wrote:

Ah there's that ego stroking again. Please do yourself a favour and find sonething fulling outside of forum posturing. You aren't as clever as you think you are, and while you are clever enough to avoid outright breaking rules, I'm seriously considering begging Ben to make your boringly inane circular arguments a banning offense

You want to ban me because you don't like my arguments??

I don't think you'd have to beg him or any other mod too hard to change the rules, I meanevery time you lot speak to me it normally goes along the lines of "abandon your argument or we will ban you"

Why do you think I don't post /stop posting on threads where Ben and LF post??

Now I suppose I will have to add you to the list.

Guess I'll just have to start talking to myself

"Talking to (yourself)" is something you should be quite used to by now, SmellyWottaLoserBumsy...

Another trait that you and some of your fellow Floptards have in common..

Eilzel wrote:

smelly-bandit wrote:

Well that's your opinion

Others on here will think I talk sense

It would seem I'm at somewhat of a disadvantage when personal feelings dictates forum policy, seems I'm doomed either way no matter what I say or don't say.

Why don't you just come out and say which rule I've broken or what it is I've done wrong

Have I attacked you the way Wolfe and Andy attack me with every post? (with impunity)

Have I been rude or impolite to you??

Have I sworn at you??

As far as I can tell elizel, the only thing I've done wrong is challenge your principles.

Did I say you'd broken a rule? No. But if you want to make it easy then please, be my guest

Do I need to make it easy for you??

You hold all the power. If you choose to ban me you will ban me regardless. I can't stop you, all I can do is try and avoid you.

smelly-bandit wrote:

Eilzel wrote:

smelly-bandit wrote:

I always understand what I'm saying, your problem is you don't understand I'm thinking  3-4 responses ahead  paving the path I want you to take.

Ah there's that ego stroking again. Please do yourself a favour and find sonething fulling outside of forum posturing. You aren't as clever as you think you are, and while you are clever enough to avoid outright breaking rules, I'm seriously considering begging Ben to make your boringly inane circular arguments a banning offense

You want to ban me because you don't like my arguments??

I don't think you'd have to beg him or any other mod too hard to change the rules, I meanevery time you lot speak to me it normally goes along the lines of "abandon your argument or we will ban you"

Why do you think I don't post /stop posting on threads where Ben and LF post??

Now I suppose I will have to add you to the list.

Guess I'll just have to start talking to myself

I've not seen one moderator say that to you (yet) and I can also tell you that unless a poster breaks the rules then they don't get banned.

No one gets banned for an opinion so I suggest you stop hiding behind excuses and debate with the people you're scared of.

eddie wrote:

smelly-bandit wrote:

You want to ban me because you don't like my arguments??

I don't think you'd have to beg him or any other mod too hard to change the rules, I meanevery time you lot speak to me it normally goes along the lines of "abandon your argument or we will ban you"

Why do you think I don't post /stop posting on threads where Ben and LF post??

Now I suppose I will have to add you to the list.

Guess I'll just have to start talking to myself

I've not seen one moderator say that to you (yet) and I can also tell you that unless a poster breaks the rules then they don't get banned.

No one gets banned for an opinion so I suggest you stop hiding behind excuses and debate with the people you're scared of.

its not "scared" its "survival"

You're talking out of your arse.

smelly-bandit wrote:

Well BLM are a black domestic  terrorist and  supremacist movement ...


...

I know nowt about BLM but I know that it is in the interests of the alt right to have them branded as a terrorist organisation just because of the words and actions of a few crazy elements on the fringes of the group.

eddie wrote:You're talking out of your arse.

I submit to your better judgement of course

Jules wrote:

smelly-bandit wrote:

Well BLM are a black domestic  terrorist and  supremacist movement ...


...

I know nowt about BLM but I know that it is in the interests of the alt right to have them branded as a terrorist organisation just because of the words and actions of a few crazy elements on the fringes of the group.

Yeah that's like saying you don't know anything about the nazi's but think the jews are making up lies about them because it's in their interest

If you don't know anything about it then your opinion doesn't matter since it's not informed

You claimed they were a proscribed terrorist organisation and you tried to pass it off as fact.

YOU LIED, end of.

Jules wrote:You claimed they were a proscribed terrorist organisation and you tried to pass it off as fact.

YOU LIED, end of.  

No you lied

I didn't say they were officially proscribed

That was just me labeling them a terrorist group like people label trump a racist

Just opinion, calm down and read what people say it will help with the looking like a fool situation you currently find yourself in

smelly-bandit wrote:

Jules wrote:You claimed they were a proscribed terrorist organisation and you tried to pass it off as fact.

YOU LIED, end of.  

No you lied

I didn't say they were officially proscribed

That was just me labeling them a terrorist group like people label trump a racist

Just opinion, calm down and read what people say it will help with the looking like a fool situation you currently find yourself in

Facts :
Smelly is a liar
Smelly is a racist
Smelly is a fascist
Smelly is a fantasist

Lies :
Any old shit that Smelly spouts..

smelly-bandit wrote:

Jules wrote:You claimed they were a proscribed terrorist organisation and you tried to pass it off as fact.

YOU LIED, end of.  

No you lied

I didn't say they were officially proscribed

That was just me labeling them a terrorist group like people label trump a racist

Just opinion, calm down and read what people say it will help with the looking like a fool situation you currently find yourself in

You did.

Cos the label ''terrorist group'' can only be proscribed.

Just like certain drugs can only be prescribed. 

To say a group is a terror group automatically means you are saying it's been officially proscribed.

Get it?

You will, if you switch your brain on!

It's no use pretending that this label is exactly the same as calling someone sexist/ homophobic/racist.
It is a formal, official description.
Not a description that any two-bit troll can just casually toss at any group he dislikes.


The label is a gamechanger, with huge consequences.
It means a group immediately loses its right to exist.
Dead easy to see how that would appeal to someone like you.  

Jules wrote:

smelly-bandit wrote:

No you lied

I didn't say they were officially proscribed

That was just me labeling them a terrorist group like people label trump a racist

Just opinion, calm down and read what people say it will help with the looking like a fool situation you currently find yourself in

You did.

Cos the label ''terrorist group'' can only be proscribed.

Just like certain drugs can only be prescribed. 

To say a group is a terror group automatically means you are saying it's been officially proscribed.

Get it?

You will, if you switch your brain on!

So if I said I'm the king of England that makes its so??

I bet you're on number 1 in the speedial list for all Nigerian conmen

smelly-bandit wrote:

Jules wrote:

You did.

Cos the label ''terrorist group'' can only be proscribed.

Just like certain drugs can only be prescribed. 

To say a group is a terror group automatically means you are saying it's been officially proscribed.

Get it?

You will, if you switch your brain on!

So if I said I'm the king of England that makes its so??

I bet you're on number 1 in the speedial list for all Nigerian conmen

Dammit, you mean those Nigerian cold callers have been lying to me all this time? 
But, but, but they sounded so sincere, I feel so cheated.



Listen, Mr banndit, you ought to switch off your 'puter and go shake your tail feathers. It will improve your mood and curb your obsessions > > >




---------------------------

Before you do that, go to the bathroom, lock the door  and erm... release all the tension in your tense muscles, Tommy will give you some tips, he's discussed this with us.

Jules wrote:

smelly-bandit wrote:

So if I said I'm the king of England that makes its so??

I bet you're on number 1 in the speedial list for all Nigerian conmen

Dammit, you mean those Nigerian cold callers have been lying to me all this time? 
But, but, but they sounded so sincere, I feel so cheated.



Listen, Mr banndit, you ought to switch off your 'puter and go shake your tail feathers. It will improve your mood and curb your obsessions > > >




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Before you do that, go to the bathroom, lock the door  and erm... release all the tension in your tense muscles, Tommy will give you some tips, he's discussed this with us.

You should moderate your tone in light of all the allegations if sexual harassment flying around.

A sensitive soul like me might just take your suggestion as verbal rape.

Jules... what are you saying that I've 'discussed'...?

Tommy Monk wrote:

Jules... what are you saying that I've 'discussed'...?

wanking by the sounds of it

Wasn't me!!!

gelico wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:

Jules... what are you saying that I've 'discussed'...?

wanking by the sounds of it

whats that???

jules wants me to wank for her??

and there i was thinking it was only Hollywood who had sexual predators.