Is Trump suffering from dementia?

by Guest Thu Jul 06, 2017 12:31 pm

This video shows him alighting from plane, walking down steps to the car, ignoring the car and wandering off and having to be stopped and escorted back. It's really weird!

by Guest Thu Jul 06, 2017 12:35 pm

Trump's speeches compared with Reagan's (who was diagnosed with dementia) and George Bush Snr (who doesn't have it).

by Fuzzy Zack Thu Jul 06, 2017 12:45 pm

Really?

No!

And even if he has some 'very early' signs of dementia, he is still very capable doing his job. Watching a speech right now.

But rather than defaming Trump, such speculation actually insults the real sufferers of dementia.

I do believe Trump has signs of Narcissistic Personality Disorder.

by Guest Thu Jul 06, 2017 12:49 pm

I disagree, I think he has some of the classic signs and that in no way insults people with it, it simply shows how people can carry on in the early stages until it worsens. Reagan Jnr agrees that Reagan Snr had the early stages while still President. Is he capable of being President? He never was in the first place and if anyone will cause the end of the world, he will.

by Andy Thu Jul 06, 2017 1:11 pm

Compelling half evidence. It would better if there was medical evidence rather than conjecture over what many akready suspect.
I am guess his doctors would have tje authority to force him to submit to tests for mental degeneration,. That would sqaure the circle and America could then rid itself of this fruit loop.

by Fuzzy Zack Thu Jul 06, 2017 1:47 pm

sassy wrote:I disagree, I think he has some of the classic signs and that in no way insults people with it, it simply shows how people can carry on in the early stages until it worsens. Reagan Jnr agrees that Reagan Snr had the early stages while still President. Is he capable of being President? He never was in the first place and if anyone will cause the end of the world, he will.

Please cut the bull shit, Sassy.

This conjecture is purely for a political agenda. Which does insult the sufferers of dementia.

by Guest Thu Jul 06, 2017 5:01 pm

Fuzzy Zack wrote:
sassy wrote:I disagree, I think he has some of the classic signs and that in no way insults people with it, it simply shows how people can carry on in the early stages until it worsens. Reagan Jnr agrees that Reagan Snr had the early stages while still President. Is he capable of being President? He never was in the first place and if anyone will cause the end of the world, he will.

Please cut the bull shit, Sassy.

This conjecture is purely for a political agenda. Which does insult the sufferers of dementia.

Nope, it's because I've dealt with people in the early stages of dementia and he shows all the signs. Let's face it Zack, you are only attacking me because I disagreed with you on cirucumcision. The man, because of his problems, is a danger to the whole world, and if he isn't removed, the whole world will pay for it.

by eddie Thu Jul 06, 2017 5:35 pm

I still think he's on the autism spectrum.

I seem to remember some people wondering about Hillary Clinton having dementia and the uproar it caused.
Bit different when it's someone everyone loves to hate.

by Guest Thu Jul 06, 2017 5:39 pm

eddie wrote:I still think he's on the autism spectrum.

I seem to remember some people wondering about Hillary Clinton having dementia and the uproar it caused.
Bit different when it's someone everyone loves to hate.

If he was, it would have shown earlier. Watch videos of him in his 30s/40s/50s. Since then he has really deteriorated both in speech, temperament and boundaries.

by Original Quill Thu Jul 06, 2017 5:43 pm

Really good thread, sassy. I did one on Trump's apparent dementia, but I like the David Pakman clip. Rich in intelligent info.

I believe Trump's drug use has to come into play somewhere. Do you remember during the debates when he was sniffing (most likely cocaine) all during the show? I'd like to investigate high drug use (particularly stimulants) and it's interaction with dementia.

by eddie Thu Jul 06, 2017 5:43 pm

I see it in him in earlier years too. He shows a lot of the social traits that people with autism show. Of course I'm not a doctor and nor do I know him so I can't say one way or the other. Perhaps you're right? I really don't know.
I don't think he's fit to be president but taking that out of the equation - would early dementia prevent one from doing a good job with help?

Ps. As for him walking past the car....I could do that quite easily!

by Original Quill Thu Jul 06, 2017 5:49 pm

eddie wrote:I see it in him in earlier years too. He shows a lot of the social traits that people with autism show. Of course I'm not a doctor and nor do I know him so I can't say one way or the other. Perhaps you're right? I really don't know.
I don't think he's fit to be president but taking that out of the equation - would early dementia prevent one from doing a good job with help?

Ps. As for him walking past the car....I could do that quite easily!

The last 8 - 9 years of my mother's life were spent in dementia. My short answer: yes, dementia would prevent one from doing anything. They are increasingly going into a vegetative state.

by eddie Thu Jul 06, 2017 5:54 pm

Original Quill wrote:
eddie wrote:I see it in him in earlier years too. He shows a lot of the social traits that people with autism show. Of course I'm not a doctor and nor do I know him so I can't say one way or the other. Perhaps you're right? I really don't know.
I don't think he's fit to be president but taking that out of the equation - would early dementia prevent one from doing a good job with help?

Ps. As for him walking past the car....I could do that quite easily!

The last 8 - 9 years of my mother's life were spent in dementia. My short answer: yes, dementia would prevent one from doing anything. They are increasingly going into a vegetative state.

Sorry to hear that about your mother, not an easy thing to go through I'd imagine.

But what about very early on? I bet she was still capable of running her house, her life, making decisions? Of course, the time comes when this is impossible but still, we don't write off those with the early stages, do we?

by Original Quill Thu Jul 06, 2017 6:01 pm

eddie wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

The last 8 - 9 years of my mother's life were spent in dementia. My short answer: yes, dementia would prevent one from doing anything. They are increasingly going into a vegetative state.

Sorry to hear that about your mother, not an easy thing to go through I'd imagine.

But what about very early on? I bet she was still capable of running her house, her life, making decisions? Of course, the time comes when this is impossible but still, we don't write off those with the early stages, do we?

She lived into her 90's, so when I say last few years, she still had, oh say, 85- good years. So I don't feel too sorry for her.

During her waking years, she was a buzz-saw. Five kids, husband away during the war, big, pre-Revolutionary war house, lots to do...she managed really well. I sometimes wonder if she used up all her energy during the first 80-years, and dropped when she ran out.

by eddie Thu Jul 06, 2017 6:02 pm

Sounds like she had a full and fulfilled life though and that's really something to be thankful for.

by Original Quill Thu Jul 06, 2017 6:05 pm

eddie wrote:Sounds like she had a full and fulfilled life though and that's really something to be thankful for.

Yes, lots of emotional travail, but her life was full. Cool

by JulesV Thu Jul 06, 2017 8:47 pm

Original Quill wrote:
eddie wrote:Sounds like she had a full and fulfilled life though and that's really something to be thankful for.

Yes, lots of emotional travail, but her life was full.

She birthed and nurtured you, Q. She raised a human being who always thinks of the welfare of others. That tells me she is truly blessed. x

by JulesV Thu Jul 06, 2017 8:50 pm

sassy wrote:
eddie wrote:I still think he's on the autism spectrum.

I seem to remember some people wondering about Hillary Clinton having dementia and the uproar it caused.
Bit different when it's someone everyone loves to hate.

If he was, it would have shown earlier. Watch videos of him in his 30s/40s/50s. Since then he has really deteriorated both in speech, temperament and boundaries.

I've always thought that instead of making bogus promises about ''draining the swamp'' he should first make genuine promises about draining all the extra fluid from ..................................

............................................................................................... his brain! Rolling Eyes

by Guest Thu Jul 06, 2017 8:58 pm

Here we go again and I agree with Zack.

Offering up mental health conditions opens the door up to this being used to excuse any bad thing he says. When what he says bad is based off his egotistical personality and how he is in fact quite prejudice. Once you open the door to such claims and again where nobody here is even remotely qualified to say so. Is being done more so off emotional dislike for trump, than any reason.

All you are doing is like I say offering up excuses for him with such a claim, where then that person can then use, but we know that is not the reason the claim is made. In that he is then not competent to be President. Which he is not on a variety of reasons, but by providing a medical excuse. You would have more people feel sorry for him. He needs to be seen for what he is, like Zack says, that of a narcissist, prejudice and could very well sleep walk the US into a global war.

by Fuzzy Zack Thu Jul 06, 2017 11:44 pm

sassy wrote:
Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Please cut the bull shit, Sassy.

This conjecture is purely for a political agenda. Which does insult the sufferers of dementia.

Nope, it's because I've dealt with people in the early stages of dementia and he shows all the signs. Let's face it Zack, you are only attacking me because I disagreed with you on cirucumcision. The man, because of his problems, is a danger to the whole world, and if he isn't removed, the whole world will pay for it.

Nothing personal Sassy. I don't have to agree with you on every topic. And I don't give anyone a safe space. You should know that by now.

I'm just calling you on your bull shit. You would have used dementia to advance your own socialist agenda. I think that's shameless.

by Original Quill Fri Jul 07, 2017 3:11 am

Jules wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

Yes, lots of emotional travail, but her life was full.
She birthed and nurtured you, Q. She raised a human being who always thinks of the welfare of others. That tells me she is truly blessed. x

ty Jules. She was a highly moral person. That was her travail...some things drove her crazy.

by Original Quill Fri Jul 07, 2017 3:17 am

Thorin wrote:Offering up mental health conditions opens the door up to this being used to excuse any bad thing he says. When what he says bad is based off his egotistical personality and how he is in fact quite prejudice. Once you open the door to such claims and again where nobody here is even remotely qualified to say so. Is being done more so off emotional dislike for trump, than any reason.

With all due respect, I think you just contradicted yourself didge. You criticize discussing or "offering up mental health conditions," but then you discuss "his egotistical personality and how he is in fact quite prejudice." Umm...

"Egotistic personality" is defined as:

Wisdomtimes wrote:In this world, we meet a lot of different people: some nice and others nasty, some timid and others bold, extroverts, introverts, a few egoistic and others altruistic. In order to deal effectively with different people it is important to know their qualities. So today let analyze the traits of an egoistic person:

1. High on confidence

When used in the correct proportion, this confidence can bring a person a lot of success; too much though, and this very confidence makes them out to be rude and snobbish. The typical egoistic person, being high on confidence, assumes everyone else to be wrong. They think, do, believe, and say, only what they consider to be correct. Phrases like, “Why don’t you ever check yourself?” are things they say on a regular basis.

Interested in avoiding this type of behavior yourself? Just remember this one small phrase:

“A bad day for your ego is a good day for your soul.”

2. Extraordinary levels of pride

The egoistic person always reflects an overly-proud expression on their face. Their sentences start with: I am, I did, I achieved, and mostly finish with the big question, “What did you do?” Even though the achievement of the other person might be bigger they refuse to acknowledge it.

3. Self-centered and self-loving

An egoistic person loves themselves very much. In every area of life, their own comfort is their biggest priority. They love to click on and display their photographs. Ironically, most of the time you will find an egoistic person being the only one in the picture! They are known to joke, saying things like, “The reason I talk to myself? I am the only one I prefer to listen to! ~ Anonymous”

Tragically, there is another saying they should be aware of, “Half the joke is always true.”

4. Very adamant

Screaming, shouting, scolding, and dodging are all fair-game in their dictionary. The only thing that matters to them is “I said it should be done,” so no “NO” for them. They can’t imagine anyone not following their directions or commands. When things do not move according to their wishes they disturb the entire environment and won’t let anyone rest in peace.

5. Difficult to handle

As we have already mentioned, the very word “no” (or something against their wishes), makes them angry. In such times of aggression they can go to any extent. For example, depending on the severity, they could very easily lose their temper. They might become restless and keep thinking about how to take revenge on the person who might have harmed them, even if it was by accident.

Ignorance leads to egoism, Egoism to selfishness, Selfishness to resentment, Resentment to anger, Anger to hatred, Hatred to annihilation. ~ Venerable Wu Ling. (Tweet this)

6. Can insult anyone easily

Egoistic people are never concerned about the feelings of other people. Through both their words and their actions, and because they always consider themselves to be correct, they don’t mind humiliating others—even in public. In fact, they don’t feel bad after attacking others, they conveniently give a justification for their actions

The egoism which enters into our theories does not affect their sincerity; rather, the more our egoism is satisfied, the more robust is our belief . ~ George Eliot

So if you come across such people, now you know they are high on ego. Awareness will help you to manage them tactfully. And if you find the rating of these traits to be really high within yourself, then consider this an opportunity to change and convert yourself from being an egoistic person to a humble one.

https://www.wisdomtimes.com/blog/traits-of-an-egoistic-person/

So you are talking about a mental pathology every bit as much as sassy. Frankly, I think you raise a difference without a distinction. Sassy is talking about a form of cognitive dementia, a symptom of which can be an egotistic personality.

by Guest Fri Jul 07, 2017 4:10 am

Maybe you can show me how many people are medically diagnosed as egotistic by doctors Quill?

How many people die from egotism?

How many people are cared for due to their egotism in care homes?

Then equate it to dementia?

Are you claiming dementia is a trait or a medical condition?

by Original Quill Fri Jul 07, 2017 4:32 am

Thorin wrote:Maybe you can show me how many people are medically diagnosed as egotistic by doctors Quill?

How many people die from egotism?

How many people are cared for due to their egotism in care homes?

Then equate it to dementia?

Are you claiming dementia is a trait or a medical condition?

Personality pathologies are rarely life-threatening. They are socially-directed patterns, and if anything, they are in need of adjustment now and then for personal happiness.

Nevertheless, they are diagnosable disorders. Dementia is caused by brain disease or injury and marked by memory disorders, personality changes, and impaired reasoning. Personality disorders, in some cases, are secondary to dementia, the result of physical injury or deterioration. That is the nexus I believe sassy is raising.

by Guest Fri Jul 07, 2017 4:33 am

Original Quill wrote:
Thorin wrote:Maybe you can show me how many people are medically diagnosed as egotistic by doctors Quill?

How many people die from egotism?

How many people are cared for due to their egotism in care homes?

Then equate it to dementia?

Are you claiming dementia is a trait or a medical condition?

Personality pathologies are rarely life-threatening. They are socially-directed patterns, and if anything, they are in need of adjustment now and then for personal happiness.

Nevertheless, they are diagnosable disorders. Dementia is caused by brain disease or injury and marked by memory disorders, personality changes, and impaired reasoning. Personality pathologies are the result, in some cases, of physical injury or deterioration. That is the nexus I believe sassy is raising.

You never answered my questions and I am well aware what is dementia and what causes this. Zack proposed another trait narcissism. I have no problem with people reasoning traits for people. Of which is subjective and where even I could be wrong and happy to say so. They are not medically diagnosed though. Dementia is medically diagnosed which again neither you or Sassy are qualified to do so.

So try again

Maybe you can show me how many people are medically diagnosed as egotistic by doctors Quill?

How many people die from egotism?

How many people are cared for due to their egotism in care homes?

Then equate it to dementia?

Are you claiming dementia is a trait or a medical condition?

by Original Quill Fri Jul 07, 2017 4:54 am

Thorin wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

Personality pathologies are rarely life-threatening. They are socially-directed patterns, and if anything, they are in need of adjustment now and then for personal happiness.

Nevertheless, they are diagnosable disorders. Dementia is caused by brain disease or injury and marked by memory disorders, personality changes, and impaired reasoning. Personality pathologies are the result, in some cases, of physical injury or deterioration. That is the nexus I believe sassy is raising.

You never answered my questions and I am well aware what is dementia and what causes this. Zack proposed another trait narcissism. I have no problem with people reasoning traits for people. They are not medically diagnosed. Dementia is medically diagnosed which again neither you or Sassy are qualified to do so.

So try again

Maybe you can show me how many people are medically diagnosed as egotistic by doctors Quill?

How many people die from egotism?

How many people are cared for due to their egotism in care homes?

Then equate it to dementia?

Are you claiming dementia is a trait or a medical condition?

I answered your question. You just didn't pause to realize it.

Dementia appears to be physical, and secondary to dementia appear to be certain personality disorders. Both are diagnosable, and studied by clinical psychologists and physicians.

Back to subject, there is a very real possibility that Trump is manifesting forms of dementia. In particular, his speech expression includes many non-specific nouns, filler words and low-imagery terms, symptoms of slower or lowered cerebral activity.

https://www.thoughtco.com/what-is-a-filler-word-1690859
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3173827/
https://www.jstor.org/stable/1423011?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents

Just as a drunk slurs his speech, Trump is slurring his thoughts.

by Guest Fri Jul 07, 2017 5:58 am

Original Quill wrote:
Thorin wrote:

You never answered my questions and I am well aware what is dementia and what causes this. Zack proposed another trait narcissism. I have no problem with people reasoning traits for people. They are not medically diagnosed. Dementia is medically diagnosed which again neither you or Sassy are qualified to do so.

So try again

Maybe you can show me how many people are medically diagnosed as egotistic by doctors Quill?

How many people die from egotism?

How many people are cared for due to their egotism in care homes?

Then equate it to dementia?

Are you claiming dementia is a trait or a medical condition?

I answered your question. You just didn't pause to realize it.

Dementia appears to be physical, and secondary to dementia appear to be certain personality disorders. Both are diagnosable, and studied by clinical psychologists and physicians.

Back to subject, there is a very real possibility that Trump is manifesting forms of dementia. In particular, his speech expression includes many non-specific nouns, filler words and low-imagery terms, symptoms of slower or lowered cerebral activity.

https://www.thoughtco.com/what-is-a-filler-word-1690859
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3173827/
https://www.jstor.org/stable/1423011?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents

Just as a drunk slurs his speech, Trump is slurring his thoughts.

No you never answered my questions, as we have established what Dementia is

So try again

Maybe you can show me how many people are medically diagnosed as egotistic by doctors Quill?

How many people die from egotism?

How many people are cared for due to their egotism in care homes?

Then equate it to dementia?

Are you claiming dementia is a trait or a medical condition?

by Fuzzy Zack Fri Jul 07, 2017 11:48 am

Armchair diagnosis is bull shit, almost always.

When people use something like dementia 'to play doctor', is not only stupid but insults the sufferers of dementia.

None of you have access to his blood tests or scans and mild symptoms of dementia can be confused with something else or may be nothing at all.

by 'Wolfie Fri Jul 07, 2017 2:38 pm

His addled thinking, muddle headed wombat behaviours and loony_toon tweeting could equally be put down to the cumulative degenerative effects of suspected decades long abuses of alcohol, illicit drugs and a high fat/high protein dietary intake...

by Original Quill Fri Jul 07, 2017 3:52 pm

Thorin wrote:No you never answered my questions, as we have established what Dementia is

Yes I have.

Now go away and close another thread. I want to hear what others say. There must be hundreds of observations out there.

by Original Quill Fri Jul 07, 2017 3:53 pm

Fuzzy Zack wrote:Armchair diagnosis is bull shit, almost always.

When people use something like dementia 'to play doctor', is not only stupid but insults the sufferers of dementia.

None of you have access to his blood tests or scans and mild symptoms of dementia can be confused with something else or may be nothing at all.

Denial is a river in east Africa, Zack. Let's leave it there.

by Original Quill Fri Jul 07, 2017 3:58 pm

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:

His addled thinking, muddle headed wombat behaviours and loony_toon tweeting could equally be put down to the cumulative degenerative effects of suspected decades long abuses of alcohol, illicit drugs and a high fat/high protein dietary intake...

Yes, definitely. The cocaine use was obvious during the presidential debates with all that sniffing.

He often brags about his "energy" and that is the expected result when ingesting a lot of stimulants.

by Guest Fri Jul 07, 2017 4:09 pm

Thorin wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

I answered your question. You just didn't pause to realize it.

Dementia appears to be physical, and secondary to dementia appear to be certain personality disorders. Both are diagnosable, and studied by clinical psychologists and physicians.

Back to subject, there is a very real possibility that Trump is manifesting forms of dementia. In particular, his speech expression includes many non-specific nouns, filler words and low-imagery terms, symptoms of slower or lowered cerebral activity.

https://www.thoughtco.com/what-is-a-filler-word-1690859
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3173827/
https://www.jstor.org/stable/1423011?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents

Just as a drunk slurs his speech, Trump is slurring his thoughts.

No you never answered my questions, as we have established what Dementia is

So try again

Maybe you can show me how many people are medically diagnosed as egotistic by doctors Quill?

How many people die from egotism?

How many people are cared for due to their egotism in care homes?

Then equate it to dementia?

Are you claiming dementia is a trait or a medical condition?

Still waiting Quill, as you have not answered

One last chance

by Guest Fri Jul 07, 2017 4:12 pm

Original Quill wrote:
Fuzzy Zack wrote:Armchair diagnosis is bull shit, almost always.

When people use something like dementia 'to play doctor', is not only stupid but insults the sufferers of dementia.

None of you have access to his blood tests or scans and mild symptoms of dementia can be confused with something else or may be nothing at all.

Denial is a river in east Africa, Zack. Let's leave it there.

Zack is right and you are not qualified to diagnose.

I think Trump is an imbecile but your complete dislike of him is clouding any reasoning here from you.

Its more like you are hoping it to be true, more than anything else.

by Fuzzy Zack Fri Jul 07, 2017 4:16 pm

Original Quill wrote:
Fuzzy Zack wrote:Armchair diagnosis is bull shit, almost always.

When people use something like dementia 'to play doctor', is not only stupid but insults the sufferers of dementia.

None of you have access to his blood tests or scans and mild symptoms of dementia can be confused with something else or may be nothing at all.

Denial is a river in east Africa, Zack. Let's leave it there.

I said that joke 10 years ago. Rolling Eyes

by Fuzzy Zack Fri Jul 07, 2017 4:18 pm

Original Quill wrote:
WhoseYourWolfie wrote:

His addled thinking, muddle headed wombat behaviours and loony_toon tweeting could equally be put down to the cumulative degenerative effects of suspected decades long abuses of alcohol, illicit drugs and a high fat/high protein dietary intake...

Yes, definitely. The cocaine use was obvious during the presidential debates with all that sniffing.

He often brags about his "energy" and that is the expected result when ingesting a lot of stimulants.

So the only reason he was sniffing was becuase he snorted coke?

by Original Quill Fri Jul 07, 2017 4:24 pm

Fuzzy Zack wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

Yes, definitely. The cocaine use was obvious during the presidential debates with all that sniffing.

He often brags about his "energy" and that is the expected result when ingesting a lot of stimulants.

So the only reason he was sniffing was becuase he snorted coke?

Pretty evident, innit? With a cold, you just want that drip to retreat. But with coke, you need that deep, empowering draw...and lots of them. Get's to all the Neural Sensors and sets 'em off. Wahjoooo... Razz

Oh...and you never sneeze or blow like you do with a cold. Whatta waste. Rolling Eyes

by Fuzzy Zack Fri Jul 07, 2017 4:27 pm

Original Quill wrote:
Fuzzy Zack wrote:

So the only reason he was sniffing was becuase he snorted coke?

Pretty evident, innit? With a cold, you just want that drip to retreat. But with coke, you need that deep, empowering draw...and lots of them. Get's to all the Neural Sensors and sets 'em off. Wahjoooo...

You've never done coke, have you.

You don't need a deep draw. You just let it trickle back and swallow.

by Original Quill Fri Jul 07, 2017 4:44 pm

Fuzzy Zack wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

Pretty evident, innit? With a cold, you just want that drip to retreat. But with coke, you need that deep, empowering draw...and lots of them. Get's to all the Neural Sensors and sets 'em off. Wahjoooo...

You've never done coke, have you.

Once, while camping in the Rincon Mts. of Arizona, some 40-years ago. It was like medicine.

Fuzzy Zack wrote:You don't need a deep draw. You just let it trickle back and swallow.

But deeper than a virus sniffle, which needs to be a sharp burst to get that heavier drip to slow up. Lol.

Truth is, as a law enforcement prosecutor I watched a lot of blokes high on coke. Tucson was the No. 1 importation city for drugs in the US at the time, and I was assisting the Border County Narcotics Strike Force. Tucson has since relinquished the title to Miami and the Black Tuna Gang, but I was around it and observed a lot. Enough to become an expert at watching 'em sniffle. Razz

by eddie Fri Jul 07, 2017 5:07 pm

I don't think Trump is on coke. I just think he's a bumbling egocentric idiot and you're all looking for reasons, much like everyone did when Clinton seemed rather like she had dementia at one point and fell over etc etc.

by Original Quill Fri Jul 07, 2017 5:33 pm

eddie wrote:I don't think Trump is on coke. I just think he's a bumbling egocentric idiot and you're all looking for reasons, much like everyone did when Clinton seemed rather like she had dementia at one point and fell over etc etc.

I disagree. Something is causing these unusual behaviors...particularly the self-contradictory actions. Something is short circuiting his longer-term memory, causing him to react only to the immediate, and forgetting what was said only a few weeks ago. His memory--indeed, his whole mind--has ceased to be an anchor for consistency in him.

Resistance to the possibility of a mental disease with Trump is like resistance to climate change. You see all this evidence--it's overwhelming--yet you still insist it's just a spell of bad weather. Something is going on we can't ignore.

by Guest Fri Jul 07, 2017 6:22 pm

Original Quill wrote:
eddie wrote:I don't think Trump is on coke. I just think he's a bumbling egocentric idiot and you're all looking for reasons, much like everyone did when Clinton seemed rather like she had dementia at one point and fell over etc etc.

I disagree. Something is causing these unusual behaviors...particularly the self-contradictory actions. Something is short circuiting his longer-term memory, causing him to react only to the immediate, and forgetting what was said only a few weeks ago. His memory--indeed, his whole mind--has ceased to be an anchor for consistency in him.

Resistance to the possibility of a mental disease with Trump is like resistance to climate change. You see all this evidence--it's overwhelming--yet you still insist it's just a spell of bad weather. Something is going on we can't ignore.

I really do not understand this, in that you are actually providing Trump with excuses for his prejudice etc?
We have you give dementia to now Cocaine.
What next?
How about seeing him for the despicable person he is?

by Original Quill Fri Jul 07, 2017 6:37 pm

Thorin wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

I disagree. Something is causing these unusual behaviors...particularly the self-contradictory actions. Something is short circuiting his longer-term memory, causing him to react only to the immediate, and forgetting what was said only a few weeks ago. His memory--indeed, his whole mind--has ceased to be an anchor for consistency in him.

Resistance to the possibility of a mental disease with Trump is like resistance to climate change. You see all this evidence--it's overwhelming--yet you still insist it's just a spell of bad weather. Something is going on we can't ignore.

I really do not understand this, in that you are actually providing Trump with excuses for his prejudice etc?
We have you give dementia to now Cocaine.
What next?
How about seeing him for the despicable person he is?

Well, whatever the cause it's strange...and dangerous.

As a former prosecutor, I understand that giving someone a diagnosis instead of a prison sentence is a step toward leniency, but to be frank, if he is sick I almost feel sorry for him. Imagine Reagan, when he alleged that Iran and the Contras were entirely different things. Ya felt bad for him.

And it might be the quickest way to get Trump off the streets. Under the 25th Amendment, a president can be removed for any reason, without the trouble of an impeachment trial. Then, with a Democratic legislature in 2018, we can begin impeachment proceedings against Pence...and quickly dispose of the last of the sick, sick Russo-Republican party.

I make it, in all, maybe three years. And we're done with 'em.

by Guest Fri Jul 07, 2017 6:40 pm

Original Quill wrote:
Thorin wrote:

I really do not understand this, in that you are actually providing Trump with excuses for his prejudice etc?
We have you give dementia to now Cocaine.
What next?
How about seeing him for the despicable person he is?

Well, whatever the cause it's strange...and dangerous.

As a former prosecutor, I understand that giving someone a diagnosis instead of a prison sentence is a step toward leniency, but to be frank, if he is sick I almost feel sorry for him. Imagine Reagan, when he alleged that Iran and the Contras were entirely different things. Ya felt bad for him.

And it might be the quickest way to get Trump off the streets. Under the 25th Amendment, a president can be removed for any reason, without the trouble of an impeachment trial. Then, with a Democratic legislature in 2018, we can begin impeachment proceedings against Pence...and quickly dispose of the last of the sick, sick Russo-Republican party.

I make it, in all, maybe three years. And we're done with 'em.

What ever you are doing is providing excuses for his supporters.
I understand that you have no ability to diagnose someone, as you are trained legally and not medically.
The point is you want to claim he is unfit to be President, based on assumptions over his health.
All you are doing is playing into Trump supporters believing you are trying to oust him by illegal means.
You still fail to grasp that this is not just about Trump but the support he has. He has to lose that support and can only do that by those supporters seeing him for what he truly is. A danger to the stability and security of the US.

You think by forcibly removing the head you are going to solve the problem, when you would only then make it ten times worse.

by Victorismyhero Fri Jul 07, 2017 6:44 pm

he may not have dementia per se.....but he is certainly demented

by Guest Fri Jul 07, 2017 6:47 pm

Lord Foul wrote:he may not have dementia per se.....but he is certainly demented

That is the same thing? scratch

demented

adjective
suffering from dementia.

behaving irrationally due to anger, distress, or excitement.

by Victorismyhero Fri Jul 07, 2017 6:51 pm

in the "classical sense" didge....never mind the dictionary......

by Original Quill Fri Jul 07, 2017 7:10 pm

Thorin wrote:What ever you are doing is providing excuses for his supporters.

Trump has very little support. And them...we can put in prison.

The thing I'm trying to expedite right now is removal of a certain force from the WH. He got there by crooked means, and we are justified using any means for his removal.

That said, I really do think he is geriatrically demented.

by Guest Fri Jul 07, 2017 7:17 pm

Original Quill wrote:
Thorin wrote:What ever you are doing is providing excuses for his supporters.

Trump has very little support. And them...we can put in prison.

The thing I'm trying to expedite right now is removal of a certain force from the WH. He got there by crooked means, and we are justified using any means for his removal.

That said, I really do think he is geriatrically demented.

He has a substantial amount of support that goes into the millions and if you place him in prison without properly showing he is guilty. You run the risk of the country being drawn yet again into a civil war or at the very least mass civil disorder. As its already heading that way, the way the country is becoming more and more divided. For Trump to fall requires his support to fall and that is what you must look to tackle. I dont really want to make a comparison with Hitler and am only do so on support he had of the people and not policies.

When Hitler came to power he did so off a minority. Not a majority and even when they tried to assassinate him in 1944, when it was clear Germany would lose the war. Countless Germans were still besotted and believed in him. That they saw the attempt on his life as treasonous. They followed him right to the end, bringing about their complete destruction. Hence why its vital that you look to tackle the support someone has. In bringing about his downfall. As many hero worship Trump and that is the major problem here in comparison.

by Original Quill Fri Jul 07, 2017 8:23 pm

Thorin wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

Trump has very little support. And them...we can put in prison.

The thing I'm trying to expedite right now is removal of a certain force from the WH. He got there by crooked means, and we are justified using any means for his removal.

That said, I really do think he is geriatrically demented.

He has a substantial amount of support that goes into the millions and if you place him in prison without properly showing he is guilty.

Trump has a 40% favorability rating. He hasn't been able to get any legislation passed. I wish he did more damage to the country, because then the voters would flood the polls against him. Alas...he keeps fookin up and can't get anything right.

Thorin wrote:You run the risk of the country being drawn yet again into a civil war or at the very least mass civil disorder. As its already heading that way, the way the country is becoming more and more divided. For Trump to fall requires his support to fall and that is what you must look to tackle.

Yes, I am one of those who wants the nation to divide. I have been advocating a Pacific States of America for a decade, with California as its nucleus. The USA is too large, and there are whole swaths of the country that have nothing in common with one another. There is no meaning to the US. No purpose. No common goal.

Thorin wrote:I dont really want to make a comparison with Hitler and am only do so on support he had of the people and not policies.

When Hitler came to power he did so off a minority. Not a majority and even when they tried to assassinate him in 1944, when it was clear Germany would lose the war. Countless Germans were still besotted and believed in him. That they saw the attempt on his life as treasonous. They followed him right to the end, bringing about their complete destruction. Hence why its vital that you look to tackle the support someone has. In bringing about his downfall. As many hero worship Trump and that is the major problem here in comparison.

The Pacific States of America would be rid of Trump, as well as the south. Two birds with one stone...wouldn't it be great? Razz

They made Germany work by splitting it. Let's do the same here.

The fact that Germany is back together is more to do with the breakup of the Soviet Union, and it's powerful influence on eastern Europe. Not the same situation as us.

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