BBC’s Newsbeat Asked If Black People Like Fried Chicken In ‘Unbelievably Racist’ Tweet

eddie wrote:It's a stereotype, that's the basis of what people object to I think.  I make a lot of jokes with my black friends about fried chicken, they make them with each other too.
Perhaps the question could've been phrased more delicately?

Major wrote:I luv KFC and don't care who knows . lol

Major wrote:I luv KFC and don't care who knows . lol

veya_victaous wrote:the problem is the word 'all' ...
"do black people like chicken more than other races?"
might be acceptbale (but should define black people cause thre is a LOT of different types that vary more than White or Asian do)

but to even present the statement that "ALL of some group do X" is Racist

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:

I DON'T regard the Beeb's question as being "racist" in the way that tbey presented it...

So much,  as being more racially 'insensitive', and poorly thought through, in the light of current public sensitivities --  still not the same thing as being genuinely racist,  at all..

The heated responses to their questions/premise on social media (their website, Facebook and Twitter ?), really says more about the collective ignorance and over-sensitivity of many of those respondents --  who obviously don't seem to know (or, alternatively, don't want to know..) what the actual, true and real meanings of the words 'racism' and 'racist' are.

Many of those respondents themselves are probably "shooting from the hip" --  and not truly thinking through their remarks before posting ?        

Ziz wrote:ALL black people are human?  

Syl wrote:

Ziz wrote:ALL black people are human?  

Who said they were not?

Ziz wrote:

Syl wrote:

Who said they were not?

No-one. It is an illustration of the falsehood of the proposition that "ALL" something is racist whereas not "ALL" something is not.

Ziz wrote:ALL black people are human?  

Syl wrote:Well all of the above  start off human anyway.
No one is born evil.

Lord Foul wrote:

Ziz wrote:ALL black people are human?  

No.....

in EXACTLT the sme way as ALL other "people"

they, like whites asians arabic etc, will have their fair share of those that are "sub human", or, maybe more correctly "inhuman"

so is your preposition still intact?  

Lord Foul wrote:there is no such thing as evil

only order and chaos

the values of "good and evil" are purely subjective and cannot be demonstrated
order and chaos is demonstrable

eddie wrote:

Syl wrote:Well all of the above  start off human anyway.
No one is born evil.

What about the people that have no reason to become evil? Come from normal, happy and loving childhoods.... do they just "turn" evil?

Syl wrote:

eddie wrote:

Syl wrote:Well all of the above  start off human anyway.
No one is born evil.

What about the people that have no reason to become evil? Come from normal, happy and loving childhoods.... do they just "turn" evil?

Had I studied psychology I may have the answer Eddie...but I don't know.
Does something happen in their life...or in their minds, when they are young?

And how can siblings that are brought up together in the same way turn out so differently?

Ziz wrote:

Lord Foul wrote:there is no such thing as evil

only order and chaos

the values of "good and evil" are purely subjective and cannot be demonstrated
order and chaos is demonstrable

Order and chaos are no more objectively demonstrable than good and evil since they too are relative attributes.

Lord Foul wrote:

Ziz wrote:

Order and chaos are no more objectively demonstrable than good and evil since they too are relative attributes.

i would challenge you on that...

a smooth running effectively run and orderly society is Clearly going to be distinguishable by certain indisputable and clearly obvious characteristics from a chaotic and disorderly one

in terms of wealth if nothing else (when compared obviously to similar societies...vis it would be no use comparing even the most orderly 3rd world society to even our relatively chaotic first world society...obvioulsy other factors can and do intrude to muddy the picture...principally "resource base")


however there would likely be no way of telling the difference between an ordered "good" society and an ordered "evil society" (since what is "good" or "evil" depends soley on your POV)

Is ISIS "evil"???

now ask an ISIS supporter.....

however is ISIS chaotic, visibly yes it is...it lacks command and control, it lacks stability and it requires force and violence to maintain it

Is australia evil ask veya......

again ask an ISIS supporter

is it chaotic.....only marginally
It is stable, prosperous etc...

Is Russia evil...ask a loyal russian

ask a chechen

Is it chaotic well much more so than australia and hence per person much less prosperous than it could be and requires considerable force to "keep it from disintegrating"

eddie wrote:

Syl wrote:

Had I studied psychology I may have the answer Eddie...but I don't know.
Does something happen in their life...or in their minds, when they are young?

And how can siblings that are brought up together in the same way turn out so differently?

Yes Syl, if you'd taken psychology up you may have been the one to crack it. We shall never know.
I think there must be an "evil gene" inside some people, surely?

Lord Foul wrote:thats not a refutation...merely a restatement of your original premise...

order and chaos are clearly distinguishable

good and evil, depending SOLEY on ones personal POV are NOT since either side could view the same act totally different, whereas both would be able to know which was order and which was chaos and would agree thereon....

Ziz wrote:

Lord Foul wrote:thats not a refutation...merely a restatement of your original premise...

order and chaos are clearly distinguishable

good and evil, depending SOLEY on ones personal POV are NOT since either side could view the same act totally different, whereas both would be able to know which was order and which was chaos and would agree thereon....

Distinguishable, yes - relative to each other.

and to all other things too...the degree may be variable but non the less they are distiguishable, however there is NO such distinguising features which would allow a "truely neutral" person to distinguish between an act which is seen as good from one POV and evil from another...Its the SAME act...

there is no universal good or universal evil to reference to
the universe is chaotic...we are creatures of chaos...we live breath and die in chaos...

if the universe was totally "ordered" it would not exist...entropy would have run down.

Though I agree with you that good and evil are also relative concepts.

Lord Foul wrote:

Ziz wrote:

Distinguishable, yes - relative to each other.

and to all other things too...the degree may be variable but non the less they are distiguishable, however there is NO such distinguising features which would allow a "truely neutral" person to distinguish between an act which is seen as good from one POV and evil from another...Its the SAME act...

there is no universal good or universal evil to reference to
the universe is chaotic...we are creatures of chaos...we live breath and die in chaos...

if the universe was totally "ordered" it would not exist...entropy would have run down.

Though I agree with you that good and evil are also relative concepts.

Lord Foul wrote:I think the pysicists would disagree....

Ziz wrote:

Syl wrote:

Ziz wrote:ALL black people are human?  

Who said they were not?

No-one. It is an illustration of the falsehood of the proposition that "ALL" something is racist whereas not "ALL" something is not.

veya_victaous wrote:

Ziz wrote:

No-one. It is an illustration of the falsehood of the proposition that "ALL" something is racist whereas not "ALL" something is not.

actually it is sort of racist
why point out blacks AT ALL
"all People are Humans"
You added Race for No reason. 
People means humans so Your example was to Explicitily isolate a minority and bring their Status As Human Beings into Question...

SO pretty sure that can easily be considered offensive too
And it is the premise that, your statement carries no Offense that is ALSO offensive.
So how do you feel if I point our that.
"All White Anglo are in fact Human beings... "

I mean we have more than 2 examples here that make me serisouly doubt the validity of that statement

Ziz wrote:

Lord Foul wrote:I think the pysicists would disagree....

You think wrong.

Lord Foul wrote:

Ziz wrote:

You think wrong.

uhmm...no

entropy  

Physics
a thermodynamic quantity representing the unavailability of a system's thermal energy for conversion into mechanical work, often interpreted as the degree of disorder or randomness in the system.
"the second law of thermodynamics says that entropy always increases with time"

Ziz wrote:The universe cannot be said to be in a state of chaos or order since no comparative measure can be made from somewhere or something outwith the universe by definition.

Syl wrote:Ziz and LF have made a thread about fried chicken sound like a debate between Stephens Hawkins and Fry....ie incredibly highbrow, quite a fete.  

eddie wrote:

Syl wrote:Ziz and LF have made a thread about fried chicken sound like a debate between Stephens Hawkins and Fry....ie incredibly highbrow, quite a fete.  

Do you know what they're waffling about?

Syl wrote:

eddie wrote:

Do you know what they're waffling about?

No, unfortunately I am too sober to grasp any of it.

Ziz wrote:

Syl wrote:

No, unfortunately I am too sober to grasp any of it.

Without going out of doors one may know the whole world; without looking out of the window, one may see the Way of Heaven. The further one travels, the less one may know. Thus it is that without moving you shall know; without looking you shall see; without doing you shall achieve.

Bleedin' obvious, innit?