Junior Doctors Pay Imposition

feelthelove wrote:I am fortunate and have worked for the same company for 26 years in May.  I've worked hard and earn a good salary. I have a professional office based job.

However, when I was younger I've worked everything from picking beans in fields, to cooking and waitressing, to retail work including shelf stacking, serving petrol and checking oil and water.  

I can honestly say that I would do whatever I had to do to get by if I lost my job.  I think as you get older you have more choices available to you.  Victor is retired and is able to pick and choose what work he accepts as he's not as dependent on the income or have a family to support.

In 3 years time I hope to be in a similar position that if I were to be made redundant I could afford to take a lower paid job.

I've enjoyed all the jobs I've had, they all have their positives

Raggamuffin wrote:

Lord Foul wrote:

no ragga...I was pointing exactly WHY I wouldnt shelf stack

the fact, whether you like it or not, is that there are a fair number of folks who just are NOT going to ever be capable of much more, for any number of reasons, that doesnt alter the fact that THEY should get a "fair wage" that allows a reasonable minimum standard of living (I.E a roof over their heads, food in thier bellies, decent clothes on their backs and a decent amount over for the "pleasentries of life") In fact THAT should be the birthright of everyone...as I have said before.....even the unemployed have a right to at least the first 3 and arguably at least some of the fourth.

My earning capacity is down to study, skills and an ability to adapt my skills....and, it has to be said 5 years of lost earning potential during my study years....

so......

FFS, stop being so nasty. People who do shelf stacking aren't inferior to you, or less intelligent. I doubt that anyone would manage to do it for a long time without going mad, but I take my hat off to anyone who can.

If we're talking about "lost years" because of study, I'm owed for at least four years - where's my money?

Lord Foul wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

FFS, stop being so nasty. People who do shelf stacking aren't inferior to you, or less intelligent. I doubt that anyone would manage to do it for a long time without going mad, but I take my hat off to anyone who can.

If we're talking about "lost years" because of study, I'm owed for at least four years - where's my money?

stop slobbing around in a dead end job and earn it......

Raggamuffin wrote:

feelthelove wrote:I am fortunate and have worked for the same company for 26 years in May.  I've worked hard and earn a good salary. I have a professional office based job.

However, when I was younger I've worked everything from picking beans in fields, to cooking and waitressing, to retail work including shelf stacking, serving petrol and checking oil and water.  

I can honestly say that I would do whatever I had to do to get by if I lost my job.  I think as you get older you have more choices available to you.  Victor is retired and is able to pick and choose what work he accepts as he's not as dependent on the income or have a family to support.

In 3 years time I hope to be in a similar position that if I were to be made redundant I could afford to take a lower paid job.

I've enjoyed all the jobs I've had, they all have their positives

Have you ever done potato picking? Now there's a job which requires some stamina. Strangely enough, the men generally gave up about an hour.

Raggamuffin wrote:

feelthelove wrote:I am fortunate and have worked for the same company for 26 years in May.  I've worked hard and earn a good salary. I have a professional office based job.

However, when I was younger I've worked everything from picking beans in fields, to cooking and waitressing, to retail work including shelf stacking, serving petrol and checking oil and water.  

I can honestly say that I would do whatever I had to do to get by if I lost my job.  I think as you get older you have more choices available to you.  Victor is retired and is able to pick and choose what work he accepts as he's not as dependent on the income or have a family to support.

In 3 years time I hope to be in a similar position that if I were to be made redundant I could afford to take a lower paid job.

I've enjoyed all the jobs I've had, they all have their positives

Have you ever done potato picking? Now there's a job which requires some stamina. Strangely enough, the men generally gave up about an hour.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Lord Foul wrote:

stop slobbing around in a dead end job and earn it......

Which dead end job?

The point is that you seem to think you're owed because you "lost" years by studying.

Lord Foul wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Have you ever done potato picking? Now there's a job which requires some stamina. Strangely enough, the men generally gave up about an hour.

eeee. spud picking.....I aint done that since 1969....
used to be a good earner in the summer holidays....along with bale hauling.   I drove a tractor...on the road at 14 with the "agricultural vehicle" exemption on a learner licence....

Lord Foul wrote:

Syl wrote:

Well my mum never shelf stacked so I don't think he did.

I knew some prostitutes when I worked in town, dim they definitely were not.

actually, Ragga makes an important point here, the fact that there are a huge number of folks who simply cannot realistically, do anything much more than the simplest of jobs does tend to overshadow the fact that there are also a fair number of folks even today who are doing menial jobs...simply becasue they have never "got the break" needed to do something better.

you can have all the qualifications in the world, you can have an IQ beyond genius....and end up shovelling shit...Now lets be fair here...if shovelling shit is whats needed then that is an "honourable profession" and you are wrong ragga...I DONT "look down on" those folks...but I see reality when its stares you in the face....
BUT it does leave a sense of "unease" , of something wrong, when we have a society that fails to reward endeavour, or restricts chances for people to improve thei lot.

ask yo8ur self why was Slys mum cleaning..if she was capable of better...

I bet I know.....

society....and how it treated women (in general, let alone from "working class backgrounds") Her mum would have still been cleaning if she was capable of getting a first in astrophysics

it was a wrong then, and to a large extent it is STILL a wrong today....

as to the prostitutes...it is true Syl....they are rarely dim (at least the independant ones) ...they cant afford to be....(and thats ANOTHER "socialproblem" I have issues with...FGS LEGALISE prostitution...jail pimps and such like, introduce regualr medical checks and provide the necessary education/support these girls need...grrrrrrrr)

Syl wrote:

Lord Foul wrote:

actually, Ragga makes an important point here, the fact that there are a huge number of folks who simply cannot realistically, do anything much more than the simplest of jobs does tend to overshadow the fact that there are also a fair number of folks even today who are doing menial jobs...simply becasue they have never "got the break" needed to do something better.

you can have all the qualifications in the world, you can have an IQ beyond genius....and end up shovelling shit...Now lets be fair here...if shovelling shit is whats needed then that is an "honourable profession" and you are wrong ragga...I DONT "look down on" those folks...but I see reality when its stares you in the face....
BUT it does leave a sense of "unease" , of something wrong, when we have a society that fails to reward endeavour, or restricts chances for people to improve thei lot.

ask yo8ur self why was Slys mum cleaning..if she was capable of better...

I bet I know.....

society....and how it treated women (in general, let alone from "working class backgrounds") Her mum would have still been cleaning if she was capable of getting a first in astrophysics

it was a wrong then, and to a large extent it is STILL a wrong today....

as to the prostitutes...it is true Syl....they are rarely dim (at least the independant ones) ...they cant afford to be....(and thats ANOTHER "socialproblem" I have issues with...FGS LEGALISE prostitution...jail pimps and such like, introduce regualr medical checks and provide the necessary education/support these girls need...grrrrrrrr)

I agree about the legalisation of prostitution....though it's already legal here but it's made almost impossible to get business legally...so the law should be changed.
Get rid of traffickers and pimps and look after the girls in legal houses and  brothels where they can be health and safety checked properly. Let them pay tax and in a couple of generations maybe the stigma will have faded.

Lord Foul wrote:you young whippersnappers....

Syl wrote:

Lord Foul wrote:

actually, Ragga makes an important point here, the fact that there are a huge number of folks who simply cannot realistically, do anything much more than the simplest of jobs does tend to overshadow the fact that there are also a fair number of folks even today who are doing menial jobs...simply becasue they have never "got the break" needed to do something better.

you can have all the qualifications in the world, you can have an IQ beyond genius....and end up shovelling shit...Now lets be fair here...if shovelling shit is whats needed then that is an "honourable profession" and you are wrong ragga...I DONT "look down on" those folks...but I see reality when its stares you in the face....
BUT it does leave a sense of "unease" , of something wrong, when we have a society that fails to reward endeavour, or restricts chances for people to improve thei lot.

ask yo8ur self why was Slys mum cleaning..if she was capable of better...

I bet I know.....

society....and how it treated women (in general, let alone from "working class backgrounds") Her mum would have still been cleaning if she was capable of getting a first in astrophysics

it was a wrong then, and to a large extent it is STILL a wrong today....

as to the prostitutes...it is true Syl....they are rarely dim (at least the independant ones) ...they cant afford to be....(and thats ANOTHER "socialproblem" I have issues with...FGS LEGALISE prostitution...jail pimps and such like, introduce regualr medical checks and provide the necessary education/support these girls need...grrrrrrrr)

I agree about the legalisation of prostitution....though it's already legal here but it's made almost impossible to get business legally...so the law should be changed.
Get rid of traffickers and pimps and look after the girls in legal houses and  brothels where they can be health and safety checked properly. Let them pay tax and in a couple of generations maybe the stigma will have faded.

Syl wrote:

Lord Foul wrote:

actually, Ragga makes an important point here, the fact that there are a huge number of folks who simply cannot realistically, do anything much more than the simplest of jobs does tend to overshadow the fact that there are also a fair number of folks even today who are doing menial jobs...simply becasue they have never "got the break" needed to do something better.

you can have all the qualifications in the world, you can have an IQ beyond genius....and end up shovelling shit...Now lets be fair here...if shovelling shit is whats needed then that is an "honourable profession" and you are wrong ragga...I DONT "look down on" those folks...but I see reality when its stares you in the face....
BUT it does leave a sense of "unease" , of something wrong, when we have a society that fails to reward endeavour, or restricts chances for people to improve thei lot.

ask yo8ur self why was Slys mum cleaning..if she was capable of better...

I bet I know.....

society....and how it treated women (in general, let alone from "working class backgrounds") Her mum would have still been cleaning if she was capable of getting a first in astrophysics

it was a wrong then, and to a large extent it is STILL a wrong today....

as to the prostitutes...it is true Syl....they are rarely dim (at least the independant ones) ...they cant afford to be....(and thats ANOTHER "socialproblem" I have issues with...FGS LEGALISE prostitution...jail pimps and such like, introduce regualr medical checks and provide the necessary education/support these girls need...grrrrrrrr)

I agree about the legalisation of prostitution....though it's already legal here but it's made almost impossible to get business legally...so the law should be changed.
Get rid of traffickers and pimps and look after the girls in legal houses and  brothels where they can be health and safety checked properly. Let them pay tax and in a couple of generations maybe the stigma will have faded.

Lord Foul wrote:and you have the nerve to accuse ME of "looking down" on people and thier work




Matthew 7:5

Lord Foul wrote:

Syl wrote:

I agree about the legalisation of prostitution....though it's already legal here but it's made almost impossible to get business legally...so the law should be changed.
Get rid of traffickers and pimps and look after the girls in legal houses and  brothels where they can be health and safety checked properly. Let them pay tax and in a couple of generations maybe the stigma will have faded.

 have a greenie :-)

Raggamuffin wrote:

Lord Foul wrote:and you have the nerve to accuse ME of "looking down" on people and thier work




Matthew 7:5

You look down on those who do certain jobs because you consider them to be less intelligent than you though.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Syl wrote:

I agree about the legalisation of prostitution....though it's already legal here but it's made almost impossible to get business legally...so the law should be changed.
Get rid of traffickers and pimps and look after the girls in legal houses and  brothels where they can be health and safety checked properly. Let them pay tax and in a couple of generations maybe the stigma will have faded.

No way - let them tout for business in the streets.

Syl wrote:

Lord Foul wrote:

 have a greenie :-)

Oooh Ta...but I think Rags has cancelled it out.

Syl wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

No way - let them tout for business in the streets.

You are joking surely.

If you are not I hope they tout right outside your front door.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Syl wrote:

You are joking surely.

If you are not I hope they tout right outside your front door.

There's not much traffic up my street.

I just don't like them - sue me.

Lord Foul wrote:

Syl wrote:

Oooh Ta...but I think Rags has cancelled it out.

tactical voteing .....

Syl wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

There's not much traffic up my street.

I just don't like them - sue me.

Nah......you are entitled to your opinions. ...even when they re horrible.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Syl wrote:
Nah......you are entitled to your opinions. ...even when they re horrible.

I don't think it's horrible - it's more horrible to encourage brothels.

Syl wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

I don't think it's horrible - it's more horrible to encourage brothels.

You would be discouraging pimps and traffickers by giving the women who they use as meal tickets the chance to earn their money in a safe environment.
Also it would get young girls and kerb crawlers off the streets. Prostitutes are often drug fuelled, they could be helped and cleaned up if they were in a safe place.
Plus the diseases many of them have and spread could be treated and contained.

A legally run clean business has to be better than an illicit backstreet dive where pimps rule surely.

Syl wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

I don't think it's horrible - it's more horrible to encourage brothels.

You would be discouraging pimps and traffickers by giving the women who they use as meal tickets the chance to earn their money in a safe environment.
Also it would get young girls and kerb crawlers off the streets. Prostitutes are often drug fuelled, they could be helped and cleaned up if they were in a safe place.
Plus the diseases many of them have and spread could be treated and contained.

A legally run clean business has to be better than an illicit backstreet dive where pimps rule surely.

Lord Foul wrote:Well, I have heard it said that every woman sits on a fortune

HoratioTarr wrote:

Syl wrote:

You would be discouraging pimps and traffickers by giving the women who they use as meal tickets the chance to earn their money in a safe environment.
Also it would get young girls and kerb crawlers off the streets. Prostitutes are often drug fuelled, they could be helped and cleaned up if they were in a safe place.
Plus the diseases many of them have and spread could be treated and contained.

A legally run clean business has to be better than an illicit backstreet dive where pimps rule surely.

I don't agree.  I think that prostitution and the exploitation of sex workers will continue whether brothels are legalised or not.