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Parents Charged With Killing Son In Church

A teenager is killed and his brother is seriously hurt in a so-called "counselling session" aimed at getting them to confess sins.

19:03, UK, Wednesday 14 October 2015
Bruce Leonard and his wife Deborah Leonard are charged in the beating death of their 19-year-old son



A couple have been charged with fatally beating their 19-year-old son in an apparent "counselling session" at a church in central New York

Bruce Leonard, 65, and 59-year-old Deborah Leonard are charged with first-degree manslaughter in the death of their son Lucas.

Four other members of the Word of Life Church in New Hartford were charged with assault for the attack that also left Lucas' younger brother, Christopher, seriously injured.

Authorities said the beatings were part of what parishioners referred to as a "counselling session".
David Morey, 26, of Utica Linda Morey, 54, are charged with felony second-degree assault

David Morey, 26, and Linda Morey, 54, pleaded not guilty to assault

New Hartford Police Chief Michael Inserra said the teens were subjected to hours of physical punishment "in hopes that each would confess to prior sins and ask for forgiveness".

Investigators are still looking into what the supposed sins were, Chief Inserra said.

Officers responded to the church at about 12.30pm on Monday after family members brought Lucas to hospital, where he was pronounced dead.
Sarah Ferguson, 33 and Joseph Irwin, 26, are charged with felony second-degree assault

Sarah Ferguson, 33, and Joseph Irwin, 26, were also charged

State and local officials cordoned off the church and began interviewing parishioners.

Several children found inside were turned over to child welfare officials, police said.

Authorities said Lucas and Christopher suffered injuries to their abdomens, genitals, backs and thighs.

Christopher, 17, remains in hospital in serious condition, Chief Inserra told a news conference on Wednesday.

The teens' parents pleaded not guilty at their arraignment on Tuesday and are being held in Oneida County Jail in lieu of $100,000 bail each.

Lawyers for the couple declined to comment on the case.

David Morey, 26, Linda Morey, 54, Sarah Ferguson, 33 and Joseph Irwin, 26, were ordered held on $50,000 bail. All four pleaded not guilty to a felony count of second-degree assault.


from "http://news.sky.com/story/1569536/parents-charged-with-killing-son-in-church"



If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them: Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place; And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear. -- Deuteronomy 21:18-21

He that smiteth his father, or his mother, shall be surely put to death. -- Exodus 21:15

He that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death. -- Exodus 21:17

Good thing its only a few

so sad to see...

Not proper Christians

Misinterpreted

Mistranslation

The bible doesn't say that

You can't know Christianity unless you speak Aramaic

It's only a few

Stop spreading hate you naughty christophobe

Anything else I've forgotten??

smelly-bandit wrote:Not proper Christians

Misinterpreted

Mistranslation

The bible doesn't say that

You can't know Christianity unless you speak Aramaic

It's only a few

Stop spreading hate you naughty christophobe

Anything else I've forgotten??

It is So Sad to see this Barbaric Religion is allowed to continue in our nations where should send them all back to where they belong in the home of Jerusalem, why have they come here and expect to use resources, they should all be put on a boat and sent back the Middle east where they came from.

Luckily it is only a few that still follow that stupid evil text they call the bible.




P.S>  STFU Raggs

veya_victaous wrote:It is So Sad to see this Barbaric Religion is allowed to continue in our nations where should send them all back to where they belong in the home of Jerusalem, why have they come here and expect to use resources, they should all be put on a boat and sent back the Middle east where they came from.

Luckily it is only a few that still follow that stupid evil text they call the bible.




P.S>  STFU Raggs

pity so many follow the religion that hangs gays, or throws them off tall buildings...

but those big nasty Christians are so barbaric,....

you are such a tard you fake aussie prick...

heavenlyfatheryetagain wrote:

veya_victaous wrote:It is So Sad to see this Barbaric Religion is allowed to continue in our nations where should send them all back to where they belong in the home of Jerusalem, why have they come here and expect to use resources, they should all be put on a boat and sent back the Middle east where they came from.

Luckily it is only a few that still follow that stupid evil text they call the bible.




P.S>  STFU Raggs

pity so many follow the religion that hangs gays, or throws them off tall buildings...

but those big nasty Christians are so barbaric,....

you are such a tard  you fake aussie prick...

I know..    stupid Middle eastern Abrahamism, We should send them all back

there is no difference between Christians and Muslims.
when either lives in a secular nation and is forced be secularists to behave in a civilized manner they don't kill gays. Both/Did or suggest they will if they have control.
both a crazy people that follow hate fulled fairytales about a magic sky giant that tortures people for all eternity if they don't spend their entire lives worshiping him... So what if one think a guys it the literal son of the sky giant and the other think he is the figurative son, a holy messenger. pretty much the exact same shit one just has an extra book.

Killing in the name of religion is moronic and everyone with half a brain knows it.

veya_victaous wrote:It is So Sad to see this Barbaric Religion is allowed to continue in our nations where should send them all back to where they belong in the home of Jerusalem, why have they come here and expect to use resources, they should all be put on a boat and sent back the Middle east where they came from.

Luckily it is only a few that still follow that stupid evil text they call the bible.




P.S>  STFU Raggs

I didn't say anything. Are you hearing voices in your head now?

veya_victaous wrote:

heavenlyfatheryetagain wrote:

pity so many follow the religion that hangs gays, or throws them off tall buildings...

but those big nasty Christians are so barbaric,....

you are such a tard  you fake aussie prick...

I know..    stupid Middle eastern Abrahamism, We should send them all back

there is no difference between Christians and Muslims.
when either lives in a secular nation and is forced be secularists to behave in a civilized manner they don't kill gays. Both/Did or suggest they will if they have control.
both a crazy people that follow hate fulled fairytales about a magic sky giant that tortures people for all eternity if they don't spend their entire lives worshiping him... So what if one think a guys it the literal son of the sky giant and the other think he is the figurative son, a holy messenger. pretty much the exact same shit one just has an extra book.

they are separate religions you have been shown that but you are to stupid to see it, you lump all religion together because it offends your queer lifestyle..

Christians don't kill queers or anyone else for that matter..

mussies are in the papers everyday killing queers or killing others...

try using your head for something else other than trying to satisfy your boyfriend..

veya_victaous wrote:

heavenlyfatheryetagain wrote:

pity so many follow the religion that hangs gays, or throws them off tall buildings...

but those big nasty Christians are so barbaric,....

you are such a tard  you fake aussie prick...

I know..    stupid Middle eastern Abrahamism, We should send them all back

there is no difference between Christians and Muslims.
when either lives in a secular nation and is forced be secularists to behave in a civilized manner they don't kill gays. Both/Did or suggest they will if they have control.
both a crazy people that follow hate fulled fairytales about a magic sky giant that tortures people for all eternity if they don't spend their entire lives worshiping him... So what if one think a guys it the literal son of the sky giant and the other think he is the figurative son, a holy messenger. pretty much the exact same shit one just has an extra book.

You're from another forum i have seen you many times you're a homosexual i knew i had seen you post before ha ha what a twat defending islam and homosexual, they'll have you soon enough hanging from a post .

" there's no difference between CHRISTAINS AND Muslims"

what the fuck are you on?

nicko wrote:" there's no difference between CHRISTAINS AND Muslims"

what the fuck are you on?

who are you replying to nicko ?

Replying to veya,s stupid comment.

HF wrote:Christians don't kill queers or anyone else for that matter..

Even in the face of the evidence right before you, you deny the truth.  I will never understand Christianity.

If inconvenient facts come to light, you just deny they are "true" Christians.  Why not go the full length and declare all Christians are not "true"?  It is what it is.

Original Quill wrote:

HF wrote:Christians don't kill queers or anyone else for that matter..

Even in the face of the evidence right before you, you deny the truth.  I will never understand Christianity.

If inconvenient facts come to light, you just deny they are "true" Christians.  Why not go the full length and declare all Christians are not "true"?  It is what it is.

thank you for pointing the obvious difference between the moslims and Christians..

Christians can kill as they are humans but they don't as a rule and the bible tells them not to kill...

moslims kill all the time because their book tells them to kill....

so if they are Christians and living to be "Christ like" following his example they won't kill..

if they are moslems they will live by the example of mohammered and kill, rape and sexually abuse kids..

heavenlyfatheryetagain wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Even in the face of the evidence right before you, you deny the truth.  I will never understand Christianity.

If inconvenient facts come to light, you just deny they are "true" Christians.  Why not go the full length and declare all Christians are not "true"?  It is what it is.

thank you for pointing the obvious difference between the moslims and Christians..

Christians can kill as they are humans but they don't as a rule and the bible tells them not to kill...

moslims kill all the time because their book tells them to kill....

so if they are Christians and living to be "Christ like" following his example they won't kill..

if they are moslems they will live by the example of mohammered and kill, rape and sexually abuse  kids..

I beg to differ with you: the Bible does indeed advise killings:

Holy Bible wrote:If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them: Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place; And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear. -- Deuteronomy 21:18-21

He that smiteth his father, or his mother, shall be surely put to death. -- Exodus 21:15

He that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death. -- Exodus 21:17

Granted that's not from the New Testament, but don't Christians subscribe to that part as well?

Original Quill wrote:

heavenlyfatheryetagain wrote:

thank you for pointing the obvious difference between the moslims and Christians..

Christians can kill as they are humans but they don't as a rule and the bible tells them not to kill...

moslims kill all the time because their book tells them to kill....

so if they are Christians and living to be "Christ like" following his example they won't kill..

if they are moslems they will live by the example of mohammered and kill, rape and sexually abuse  kids..

I beg to differ with you: the Bible does indeed advise killings:

Holy Bible wrote:If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them: Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place; And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear. -- Deuteronomy 21:18-21

He that smiteth his father, or his mother, shall be surely put to death. -- Exodus 21:15

He that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death. -- Exodus 21:17

Granted that's not from the New Testament, but don't Christians subscribe to that part as well?

the new testament is the covenant of Grace with God's believers... the old has been fulfilled..

the other problem is of course that is not calling people to kill other people who do not believe the same... and it is for a specific time as God was leading his people to a new place ..

did Jesus kill anyone??? "Christians" follow his example

the koranggg of course still says and always will say kill those who do not believe the same... terrorise them where ever you find them..

and we see the moslims killing everyday..


and we also have the wonderful example of muhammered, the original killer, child molester and hate monger, the example they follow...

victorismyhero wrote:

smelly-bandit wrote:Not proper Christians

Misinterpreted

Mistranslation

The bible doesn't say that

You can't know Christianity unless you speak Aramaic

It's only a few

Stop spreading hate you naughty christophobe

Anything else I've forgotten??

look i speaky lefty

@ smelly.....did they remove your spine to allow you to do that??

veya_victaous wrote:It is So Sad to see this Barbaric Religion is allowed to continue in our nations where should send them all back to where they belong in the home of Jerusalem, why have they come here and expect to use resources, they should all be put on a boat and sent back the Middle east where they came from.

Luckily it is only a few that still follow that stupid evil text they call the bible.




P.S>  STFU Raggs

i agree veyva we should send all the dirty Muslims back to the middle east whence they came, my christian friend

Quite right HF...

victorismyhero wrote:@ smelly.....did they remove your spine to allow you to do that??

nah i just smoked some dope and drank a bottle of white lighting and hung out down the dole office

that must have been some good dope...got any left

HF wrote:the new testament is the covenant of Grace with God's believers... the old has been fulfilled..

the other problem is of course that is not calling people to kill other people who do not believe the same... and it is for a specific time as God was leading his people to a new place ..

So you are saying the Old Testiment is no longer applicable and should be tossed?

HF wrote:did Jesus kill anyone??? "Christians" follow his example

Jesus did not kill anyone.  He was a man of great moral fiber.

HF wrote:the koranggg of course still says and always will say kill those who do not believe the same... terrorise them where ever you find them..

and we see the moslims killing everyday..

And we see that Christians do the same.

I don't argue that there's plenty of killing going on.  Both Christians and Muslims.  It's a bad habit.

Original Quill wrote:

HF wrote:the new testament is the covenant of Grace with God's believers... the old has been fulfilled..

the other problem is of course that is not calling people to kill other people who do not believe the same... and it is for a specific time as God was leading his people to a new place ..

So you are saying the Old Testiment is no longer applicable and should be tossed?

HF wrote:did Jesus kill anyone??? "Christians" follow his example

Jesus did not kill anyone.  He was a man of great moral fiber.

HF wrote:the koranggg of course still says and always will say kill those who do not believe the same... terrorise them where ever you find them..

and we see the moslims killing everyday..

And we see that Christians do the same.

I don't argue that there's plenty of killing going on.  Both Christians and Muslims.  It's a bad habit.

A master piece of understatement.....

Well quill you fall into the usual atheist trap of "not having a clue" about Christian theology

In what way is the OT relevant to Christians??

smelly-bandit wrote:Well quill you fall into the usual atheist trap of "not having a clue" about Christian theology

In what way is the OT relevant to Christians??

in that it is still part of the bible?
If it is not relevant than why the Homophobia?

Vicar Of Dibley wrote:

veya_victaous wrote:

heavenlyfatheryetagain wrote:

pity so many follow the religion that hangs gays, or throws them off tall buildings...

but those big nasty Christians are so barbaric,....

you are such a tard  you fake aussie prick...

I know..    stupid Middle eastern Abrahamism, We should send them all back

there is no difference between Christians and Muslims.
when either lives in a secular nation and is forced be secularists to behave in a civilized manner they don't kill gays. Both/Did or suggest they will if they have control.
both a crazy people that follow hate fulled fairytales about a magic sky giant that tortures people for all eternity if they don't spend their entire lives worshiping him... So what if one think a guys it the literal son of the sky giant and the other think he is the figurative son, a holy messenger. pretty much the exact same shit one just has an extra book.

You're from another forum i have seen you many times you're a homosexual i knew i had seen you post before ha ha what a twat defending islam and homosexual, they'll have you soon enough hanging from a post .

the only other forum i have ever been a member of is Short news where i know Ben Lurker, Caution, Groomsy, captain jane, Dr School and several other poster from. I have been posting with them for about a decade now. So no you don't

smelly-bandit wrote:

veya_victaous wrote:It is So Sad to see this Barbaric Religion is allowed to continue in our nations where should send them all back to where they belong in the home of Jerusalem, why have they come here and expect to use resources, they should all be put on a boat and sent back the Middle east where they came from.

Luckily it is only a few that still follow that stupid evil text they call the bible.




P.S>  STFU Raggs

i agree veyva we should send all the dirty Muslims back to the middle east whence they came, my christian friend

I wont bow to their silly religious Sects, All Sky giant believers are similar enough. who cares what variation of wrong they are, they are wrong, they all have the same basic premise. Big magic sky giant makes the universe and control everything in it, got dudes to write the 'exact truth' in a book that proceeds to get the placement of every celestial body incorrect.

saying they are not the same is like saying Return of the King is not the same Lord of the rings as the Two Towers. both even continue the same made up fairytale with the magic sky giant and bird people  
  < bird person

nicko wrote:" there's no difference between CHRISTAINS AND Muslims"

what the fuck are you on?

Explain how they are not?
I mean Really
READ their books and tell me the difference

Book 3 (the Koran) says 'people have misinterpreted God's last profit, he said "I am the son of god" in the context that we are all Children of god he didn't mean he was the literally son of god. that is the only major difference, the rest is just the passing of 700 years and the local politics at the time.

Veya, you're talking to knuckle-draggers. They don't know the meaning of 'book', let alone book 3.

Original Quill wrote:Veya, you're talking to knuckle-draggers.  They don't know the meaning of 'book', let alone book 3.

If you don't know the difference between Muslims and Christians you are sadly missing a lot of brain cells!

nicko wrote:If you don't know the difference between Muslims and Christians you are sadly missing a lot of brain cells!

Enlighten me Nicko

SOME Muslims going on killing spree's all over the Middle East.
NO Christians going on killing spree's all over the Middle East.

SOME Muslims preaching hate on the streets of England...
SOME Christians (EDL) preaching a lesser form of hate on the streets,
I.E. not calling for the death of Infidals, just calling for no more Mosques.

veya_victaous wrote:

nicko wrote:" there's no difference between CHRISTAINS AND Muslims"

what the fuck are you on?

Explain how they are not?
I mean Really
READ their books and tell me the difference

Book 3 (the Koran) says 'people have misinterpreted God's last profit, he said "I am the son of god" in the context that we are all Children of god he didn't mean he was the literally son of god. that is the only major difference, the rest is just the passing of 700 years and the local politics at the time.

Sounds bites from the usual rent an idiots

How would you know what the quran says anyway, it's not like you've read it.

smelly-bandit wrote:

veya_victaous wrote:

Explain how they are not?
I mean Really
READ their books and tell me the difference

Book 3 (the Koran) says 'people have misinterpreted God's last profit, he said "I am the son of god" in the context that we are all Children of god he didn't mean he was the literally son of god. that is the only major difference, the rest is just the passing of 700 years and the local politics at the time.

Sounds bites from the usual rent an idiots

How would you know what the quran says anyway, it's not like you've read it.

You think he googled that? Oh the shame!

I wish he had Google it

What he says doesn't make the first bit of sense

"book 3" of the quran?? What a load of shit

nicko wrote:SOME Muslims going on killing spree's all over the Middle East.
NO Christians going on killing spree's all over the Middle East. Ummm the Crusades Or you mean not this last decade where the USA (Christian RW as Quill will tell you) have been using robots to bomb them And they are in Africa currently

SOME Muslims preaching hate on the streets of England...
SOME Christians (EDL)   preaching a lesser form of hate on the streets,
I.E.   not calling for the death of Infidals, just calling for no more Mosques.

And How many actually are not just in the RW papers? Some and there are and Some Christians that do call for the death of other groups too idiots are in both and everyone else

by the books they are the same with the exception i made above

smelly-bandit wrote:I wish he had Google it

What he says doesn't make the first bit of sense

"book 3" of the quran??  What a load of shit

the Quran is the 3rd book of Abrahamism not the 3rd book in the Quran

Book 1 = Old testament or the Torah
Book 2 = New testament a.k.a the bible
Book 3 = the Quran

veya_victaous wrote:

smelly-bandit wrote:I wish he had Google it

What he says doesn't make the first bit of sense

"book 3" of the quran??  What a load of shit

the Quran is the 3rd book of Abrahamism  not the 3rd book in the Quran

Book 1 = Old testament or the Torah
Book 2 = New testament  a.k.a the bible
Book 3 = the Quran

Delightful bullshit

Tell me why you think the quran is the third book of Abrahamic theology??

Could you find what I said on google by the way?
It is my opinion after reading them so i would be interested to know if it is common...

@SM or Zack
Do you think it is fair enough assessment? {taking into account i am Simplifying and mocking abrahamism}

smelly-bandit wrote:

veya_victaous wrote:

smelly-bandit wrote:I wish he had Google it

What he says doesn't make the first bit of sense

"book 3" of the quran??  What a load of shit

the Quran is the 3rd book of Abrahamism  not the 3rd book in the Quran

Book 1 = Old testament or the Torah
Book 2 = New testament  a.k.a the bible
Book 3 = the Quran

Delightful bullshit

Tell me why you think the quran is the third book of Abrahamic theology??

Cause it came after the second one? And says it is a continuation of Jehovah's laws..
Muslims do follow the old and new testaments too you know, Just not the same translations (that vary widely with the centuries and distance), their old testament is actually closer to the Torah

heavenlyfatheryetagain wrote:so sad to see...

I didn't see you praise Christ.

smelly-bandit wrote:Not proper Christians

Misinterpreted

Mistranslation

The bible doesn't say that

You can't know Christianity unless you speak Aramaic

It's only a few

Stop spreading hate you naughty christophobe

Anything else I've forgotten??

Exactly. I'm glad it all sunk in.

heavenlyfatheryetagain wrote:

veya_victaous wrote:It is So Sad to see this Barbaric Religion is allowed to continue in our nations where should send them all back to where they belong in the home of Jerusalem, why have they come here and expect to use resources, they should all be put on a boat and sent back the Middle east where they came from.

Luckily it is only a few that still follow that stupid evil text they call the bible.




P.S>  STFU Raggs

pity so many follow the religion that hangs gays, or throws them off tall buildings...

but those big nasty Christians are so barbaric,....

you are such a tard  you fake aussie prick...

Lol! Why are you getting pissed by your tactics?

Are you a fake prick retard? HA HA!

veya_victaous wrote:Could you find what I said on google by the way?
It is my opinion after reading them so i would be interested to know if it is common...

@SM or Zack
Do you think it is fair enough assessment? {taking into account i am Simplifying and mocking abrahamism}

As far as exposing HFs and Vods hypocrisy - well done. You're spot on - even Smelly realises that.

Pissing Nicko off was a bonus.

You don't piss me off you Muslim scum, you just make my opinion of Muslims lower ever time I read your racist comments!