was hiv man made??

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it seems unlikely it occurred naturally..

darknessss wrote:

Shady wrote:

Mmmmm.Don't be too sure about that Victor.

about what ???

That scientific paper I mentioned.The truth is stranger than the fiction & other widely accepted reasons for the creation of HIV.

Yet nobody can reproduce this paper that some other nobodies have access to on the web.
Sure

ON that note goodnight, as never heard such feeble excuses

Shady wrote:

darknessss wrote:

about what ???

That scientific paper I mentioned.The truth is stranger than the fiction & other widely accepted reasons for the creation of HIV.

it makes sense that it was man made that is for sure..

And yet nobody can produce this mythical paper.
Its a miracle lol

Wow
PMSL

it makes no sense that it was man made.....

theres not even good reason

i mean...if you WANT a man made "killer virus" why not start with flu.....

not that nature isnt up to the job with that......

or indeed smallpox......

much better (and effective)

Belatucadros wrote:And yet nobody can produce this mythical paper.
Its a miracle lol

Wow
PMSL

It's hardly a miracle, if you were responsible for producing hiv would you want it public knowledge.
we know we have produced chemical weapons for long enough, we know people work in labs  producing vaccines, i assume they test viruses, mix them see how bad they could get, i assume they claim they do so in the interest of having the means necessary to stop these things wiping out the population.

is it such a leap of faith to believe some may have been used or tested...

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:

Belatucadros wrote:And yet nobody can produce this mythical paper.
Its a miracle lol

Wow
PMSL

It's hardly a miracle, if you were responsible for producing hiv would you want it public knowledge.
we know we have produced chemical weapons for long enough, we know people work in labs  producing vaccines, i assume they test viruses, mix them see how bad they could get, i assume they claim they do so in the interest of having the means necessary to stop these things wiping out the population.

is it such a leap of faith to believe some may have been used or tested...

Yet astoundingly with have had 3 major whistle-blowers and none of them you can use to validate your claims. How embarrassing for you, in when they have access to so many secret files. What is worse is you have claimed to see it and yet now cower wen asked to produce.
Goodnight idiot, because you really are an idiot.

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:

Belatucadros wrote:And yet nobody can produce this mythical paper.
Its a miracle lol

Wow
PMSL

It's hardly a miracle, if you were responsible for producing hiv would you want it public knowledge.
we know we have produced chemical weapons for long enough, we know people work in labs  producing vaccines, i assume they test viruses, mix them see how bad they could get, i assume they claim they do so in the interest of having the means necessary to stop these things wiping out the population.

is it such a leap of faith to believe some may have been used or tested...

in 1910 ...yes

Belatucadros wrote:

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:
It's hardly a miracle, if you were responsible for producing hiv would you want it public knowledge.
we know we have produced chemical weapons for long enough, we know people work in labs  producing vaccines, i assume they test viruses, mix them see how bad they could get, i assume they claim they do so in the interest of having the means necessary to stop these things wiping out the population.

is it such a leap of faith to believe some may have been used or tested...

Yet astoundingly with have had 3 major whistle-blowers and none of them you can use to validate your claims. How embarrassing for you, in when they have access to so many secret files. What is worse is you have claimed to see it and yet now cower wen asked to produce.
Goodnight idiot, because you really are an idiot.

I don't think i ever claimed I could prove it was man made, i do believe it was man made.. evidence is always a matter of perspective any way but I will try and find something...
interesting to think outside the box though and wonder why some are too scared to do the same..

if anyone could provide a credible reason WHY I might be less likely to dismiss what is likely just another internet myth

why produce such an inefficient virus....?

why produce one that attacks in such a specific way??

its nonsense.....

darknessss wrote:if anyone could provide a credible reason WHY I might be less likely to dismiss what is likely just another internet myth

why produce such an inefficient virus....?

why produce one that attacks in such a specific way??

its nonsense.....

whhat maks you think it is inefficient, it makes the person very susceptible to other sicknesses... it also means that each victim could die of something different masking the true reason..

if it was developed so it could be airborne it could be very effective..

as a weapon it affects people not vital properties or areas...

just bashing ideas around by the way...

it takes too long, It is easily identifiable
it cannot become airborne (becasue it is too "weak")
it is incredibly obscure
it is atm incurable (and hence a danger to its producers/users)

much better would be a flu type

its quick acting,
massive casualities in a short time period
its easily available in many forms
the producers could easily hold the vaccine to it and vaccinate their population....
its airborne anyway
its easy to spread

same with smallpox

HIV is just too obscure and diffcult to actually DO anything with....

its too specific

bear in mind for those who would want such a thing, money and sucess matters....

I dont think this gives either value for money OR can be claimed a sucess, especially since it is now quite possible to control it AND that a cure isnt far away .....but not YET possible

darknessss wrote:it takes too long, It is easily identifiable
it cannot become airborne (becasue it is too "weak")
it is incredibly obscure
it is atm incurable (and hence a danger to its producers/users)

much better would be a flu type

its quick acting,
massive casualities in a short time period
its easily available in many forms
the producers could easily hold the vaccine to it and vaccinate their population....
its airborne anyway
its easy to spread

same with smallpox

HIV is just too obscure and diffcult to actually DO anything with....

its too specific

bear in mind for those who would want such a thing, money and sucess matters....

I dont think this gives either value for money OR can be claimed a sucess, especially since it is now quite possible to control it AND that a cure isnt far away .....but not YET possible

it might be that way now but if it was being tested as a possible virus well before we knew quite so much it might have been very different.
Science has come up with many ideas of trying to kill a population or army without destroying the actual buildings and leaving behind a useable infrastructure..

if the virus could have been deliviered on mass and then followed up with another quick killing virus it could incapacitate and remove a countries ability to retaliate and compared to long term radiation or total destruction leave a usable country for occupation is a very short period of time..