Seems that DOJ's standards are MUCH LOWER than NFL's!

Ben_Reilly wrote:Clinton's private e-mail address is suddenly a "secret server"?

The Devil, You Know wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:Clinton's private e-mail address is suddenly a "secret server"?

it is when its used for government business.

Ben_Reilly wrote:

The Devil, You Know wrote:
it is when its used for government business.

How many e-mails do you think Hillary Clinton's gotten in the past 15 years that weren't about government business? She'd have to not have a private e-mail address at all to abide by the suddenly-very-high standards of the rightists who didn't care at all when Palin or Bush did it, nor cared when Jeb Bush doxed his own constituents. But there's no end to right-wing hypocrisy.

The Devil, You Know wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:

The Devil, You Know wrote:
it is when its used for government business.

How many e-mails do you think Hillary Clinton's gotten in the past 15 years that weren't about government business? She'd have to not have a private e-mail address at all to abide by the suddenly-very-high standards of the rightists who didn't care at all when Palin or Bush did it, nor cared when Jeb Bush doxed his own constituents. But there's no end to right-wing hypocrisy.

it really does not matter, she was using it for government business and she deleted the server for some reason. I cannot think of any good reason for someone with nothing to hide to do such a thing. It seems that this issue has touched a nerve with you for some reason.

Irn Bru wrote:I remember when Tory minister Michael Gove got into trouble over here for using a private email address for government business.

Michael Gove faces questions over department's use of private email

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2011/sep/20/michael-gove-department-private-email

Ben_Reilly wrote:

The Devil, You Know wrote:
it really does not matter, she was using it for government business and she deleted the server for some reason. I cannot think of any good reason for someone with nothing to hide to do such a thing. It seems that this issue has touched a nerve with you for some reason.

Nah, it's just more right-wing hypocrisy. And it's stupid, because nobody who was going to vote for her will decide not to over this, just like nobody who was going to vote for Jeb Bush will decide not to over what he did.

The Devil, You Know wrote:[T]he big question thinking voters should be asking  is, Is the world a better place after obama? Are the poor better off or are they still just as poor?

eblog wrote:More net jobs have been created under Obama — 5,142,000 as of the August jobs report — than under George H.W. Bush — 2,637,000 — and George W. Bush — 1,282,000 — combined, according to the Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis.

Original Quill wrote:Oh yes...and we are quickly learning how desperate the NFL is, too.  A four-game suspension for Brady??  I want to know what was the punishment for the officials in the deflate-gate game...after all, they handled the ball after every play and obviously could tell, yet they did nothing.

The Tagliabue gang--Roger Goddell is the hand-picked protégé of Paul Tagliabue, former Commissioner--has been running the NFL like a criminal enterprise, and getting away with it because the game is so popular.  Tagliabue was the lawyer beaten by Al Davis twice in major lawsuits, and look how the Taglaibue cabal ruined the Oakland Raiders franchise.  Tuck-rule my aching ass.  

Original Quill wrote:

The Devil, You Know wrote:[T]he big question thinking voters should be asking  is, Is the world a better place after obama? Are the poor better off or are they still just as poor?

A well-placed suggestion.  History shows that Dr. Obama has one of the highest ratings for a president at this point in his second term.  And why wouldn’t he…he is one of the three best presidents the US has ever had.  Consider the magnificent job he has done, under adverse circumstances no other president has ever faced.

The most recent Republicans (Bush and Cheney) left the country in an ugly, purposeless war, on the brink of a certain second great depression, with double-digit unemployment, a $17-trillion deficit and bin Laden still alive and plotting attacks on America.

Dr. Obama (1) got the country out of Iraq, (2) saved America from the next Depression, (3) brought unemployment down from 10.5% to 5.5%, oversaw the creation of 5.5-million jobs, more than both Bushes:

eblog wrote:More net jobs have been created under Obama — 5,142,000 as of the August jobs report — than under George H.W. Bush — 2,637,000 — and George W. Bush — 1,282,000 — combined, according to the Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis.

Dr. Obama (4) has overseen the American stock market soar to the highest ever (over $17,000) average on the Dow Jones Industrial Average index, and he has (5) created a highly successful medical care system (despite the false tears of Republicans) and (6) he got bin Laden...when the Republican administration was completely inept at even finding him (nudge, nudge, guys...he was over in Pakistan).

That's a hell of a record.  Any one of those items would have made a legacy for most presidents.  What’s more, Dr. Obama  accomplished those things simultaneously.

Yet, what is more incredible, Dr. Obama performed all these successes in the face of an intentionally adverse opposition by the Republican Party in control of Congress, bent on seeing the United States of America destroyed rather that see a black man succeed.  This is known as the McConnell/Boehner doctrine.  

The only reason Republicans don't like Dr. Obama is because of his (half-African) race.  Twice Republicans have refused to pass a budget, allowing a government shut-down to threaten the US credit rating…which would have cost billions of dollars to the public in increased interest.  Some 56-times the Republicans have tried to eliminate Obamacare, leaving Americans to wonder why Republicans hate them so much they want their health to suffer.  Republicans refuse to pass measures to improve highways and transportation, leaving the Republican Party to blame for last week’s Amtrak Rail crash in Philadelphia, which killed 8-people.  While Republican lobbyists sleaze about for tax breaks, relaxed safety regulations and lucrative government contracts, school children go hungry and mothers cannot seek jobs because of the lack of daycare.

Still, like a true chess master Dr. Obama has learned how to use Republican’s own actions against them.  Whereas post-war presidents from Truman to Bush allowed themselves to be pressured into foreign hostilities, one after the other, Dr. Obama used is knowledge of Constitutional law (he was a professor of Constitutional Law at the University of Chicago) to turn Republican obstinacy and treason into his advantage: he pointed out that in the Constitution the war powers lie with Congress, and thus strategically sat on his hands for a do-nothing Congress to act.  Congress has stirred about in confusion, with no response but to accuse the President of failing to lead.  This has led to peals of public laughter, knowing that Republicans are dedicated to doing nothing anyway. Lol. OMG...how do you lead a dead elephant??

The Devil, You Know wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

A well-placed suggestion.  History shows that Dr. Obama has one of the highest ratings for a president at this point in his second term.  And why wouldn’t he…he is one of the three best presidents the US has ever had.  Consider the magnificent job he has done, under adverse circumstances no other president has ever faced.

The most recent Republicans (Bush and Cheney) left the country in an ugly, purposeless war, on the brink of a certain second great depression, with double-digit unemployment, a $17-trillion deficit and bin Laden still alive and plotting attacks on America.

Dr. Obama (1) got the country out of Iraq, (2) saved America from the next Depression, (3) brought unemployment down from 10.5% to 5.5%, oversaw the creation of 5.5-million jobs, more than both Bushes:

As analysts have found: "More net jobs have been created under Obama — 5,142,000 as of the August jobs report — than under George H.W. Bush — 2,637,000 — and George W. Bush — 1,282,000 — combined, according to the Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis."

Dr. Obama (4) has overseen the American stock market soar to the highest ever (over $17,000) average on the Dow Jones Industrial Average index, and he has (5) created a highly successful medical care system (despite the false tears of Republicans) and (6) he got bin Laden...when the Republican administration was completely inept at even finding him (nudge, nudge, guys...he was over in Pakistan).

That's a hell of a record.  Any one of those items would have made a legacy for most presidents.  What’s more, Dr. Obama  accomplished those things simultaneously.

Yet, what is more incredible, Dr. Obama performed all these successes in the face of an intentionally adverse opposition by the Republican Party in control of Congress, bent on seeing the United States of America destroyed rather that see a black man succeed.  This is known as the McConnell/Boehner doctrine.  

The only reason Republicans don't like Dr. Obama is because of his (half-African) race.  Twice Republicans have refused to pass a budget, allowing a government shut-down to threaten the US credit rating…which would have cost billions of dollars to the public in increased interest.  Some 56-times the Republicans have tried to eliminate Obamacare, leaving Americans to wonder why Republicans hate them so much they want their health to suffer.  Republicans refuse to pass measures to improve highways and transportation, leaving the Republican Party to blame for last week’s Amtrak Rail crash in Philadelphia, which killed 8-people.  While Republican lobbyists sleaze about for tax breaks, relaxed safety regulations and lucrative government contracts, school children go hungry and mothers cannot seek jobs because of the lack of daycare.

Still, like a true chess master Dr. Obama has learned how to use Republican’s own actions against them.  Whereas post-war presidents from Truman to Bush allowed themselves to be pressured into foreign hostilities, one after the other, Dr. Obama used is knowledge of Constitutional law (he was a professor of Constitutional Law at the University of Chicago) to turn Republican obstinacy and treason into his advantage: he pointed out that in the Constitution the war powers lie with Congress, and thus strategically sat on his hands for a do-nothing Congress to act.  Congress has stirred about in confusion, with no response but to accuse the President of failing to lead.  This has led to peals of public laughter, knowing that Republicans are dedicated to doing nothing anyway. Lol. OMG...how do you lead a dead elephant??

I would love to know where that love letter to obama came from. i'm guessing it wasn't independent
have the poor got richer or poorer. Is america on fire with racial tensions stirred in no small part by the obama administration. Is the world a safer place.

Original Quill wrote:

The Devil, You Know wrote:
I would love to know where that love letter to obama came from. i'm guessing it wasn't independent
have the poor got richer or poorer. Is america on fire with racial tensions stirred in no small part by the obama administration. Is the world a safer place.

As you know, I don't subscribe to bilateralism in politics, so independence is a meaningless concept for me.  Politics is either humanist, or inhumane.  Humanists seek to help their fellow humans, while non-humanists seek to oppose and defeat others.

Liberals build their platforms on humanist principles; conservatives build their platforms on selfish principles.  Hence, we arrive at that oft-repeated maxim (by me): liberals seek to serve the common interest; conservatives seek to serve special (or selfish) interests.

No where in the brief history of American politics do we see this taking place more than right now.  We see Democrats trying to cure the sick, lift up the poor, moderate querulous behavior nationally and internationally, and make the world a more humane place.  Alternatively, we see Republicans trying to start wars, take advantage of the disadvantages of others, abandon the hungry, sick and needy, elevate status over happiness, all in the name of a theory of selfishness: the world is a better place if we tolerate, indeed create the misery that others experience, they claim.

Democrats elect a black man, believing that all men were created equal; Republicans have embraced sedition and treason in homage to their racist sympathies, rather than have a black president.  Democrats want equality and justice; Republicans want tax breaks for the wealthy, paid for by the food they take from the mouths of hungry children.  Republicans want wars, endless and with no purpose; Democrats reject wars as mere bowel-growls of unhappy, greedy men.  Democrats seek ways to prosperity; Republicans inevitably end up finding discord and poverty.

What I have provided in the post above are actual, real-life examples of a man putting that goodness to work...amid the raucous cries of Republicans, whose dark castles are being destroyed.  Of course Republicans are going to scream, writhe and squirm...for them it is the end.  Dr. Obama not only seeks a better place for mankind, but he reveals the cold, dark places that Republicans seek for us.

The Devil, You Know wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

As you know, I don't subscribe to bilateralism in politics, so independence is a meaningless concept for me.  Politics is either humanist, or inhumane.  Humanists seek to help their fellow humans, while non-humanists seek to oppose and defeat others.

Liberals build their platforms on humanist principles; conservatives build their platforms on selfish principles.  Hence, we arrive at that oft-repeated maxim (by me): liberals seek to serve the common interest; conservatives seek to serve special (or selfish) interests.

No where in the brief history of American politics do we see this taking place more than right now.  We see Democrats trying to cure the sick, lift up the poor, moderate querulous behavior nationally and internationally, and make the world a more humane place.  Alternatively, we see Republicans trying to start wars, take advantage of the disadvantages of others, abandon the hungry, sick and needy, elevate status over happiness, all in the name of a theory of selfishness: the world is a better place if we tolerate, indeed create the misery that others experience, they claim.

Democrats elect a black man, believing that all men were created equal; Republicans have embraced sedition and treason in homage to their racist sympathies, rather than have a black president.  Democrats want equality and justice; Republicans want tax breaks for the wealthy, paid for by the food they take from the mouths of hungry children.  Republicans want wars, endless and with no purpose; Democrats reject wars as mere bowel-growls of unhappy, greedy men.  Democrats seek ways to prosperity; Republicans inevitably end up finding discord and poverty.

What I have provided in the post above are actual, real-life examples of a man putting that goodness to work...amid the raucous cries of Republicans, whose dark castles are being destroyed.  Of course Republicans are going to scream, writhe and squirm...for them it is the end.  Dr. Obama not only seeks a better place for mankind, but he reveals the cold, dark places that Republicans seek for us.

I do not take as racist an attitude as you on why rep's dislike obama. I think his record on important issues is what sways them. the fact he would rather golf than address major problems like american citizens having their heads hacked off, or ambassadors being murdered in front of him while he dithered,  probably has more of a bearing.

The Devil, You Know wrote:I do not take as racist an attitude as you on why rep's dislike obama. I think his record on important issues is what sways them. the fact he would rather golf than address major problems like american citizens having their heads hacked off, or ambassadors being murdered in front of him while he dithered, probably has more of a bearing.

The Devil, You Know wrote:What did Bush do in these situations then?

Original Quill wrote:

The Devil, You Know wrote:What did Bush do in these situations then?

Yes, typically, GWB started one of the above-mentioned wars, and had a lot of special war funding to cover those things.

The real question is...what did he accomplish?  As you yourself have pointed out, the mess he created in Iraq has stirred the whole centuries-old Islam Civil War.

Belatucadros wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Yes, typically, GWB started one of the above-mentioned wars, and had a lot of special war funding to cover those things.

The real question is...what did he accomplish?  As you yourself have pointed out, the mess he created in Iraq has stirred the whole centuries-old Islam Civil War.

Quill that was my post (didge)  to Devil aka Dean and why Bush did little in these situations, showing his claim on Obama, when we see countless similar events is groundless. You wrongly quoted Dean as saying that, when it was me.
Keep up mate

Original Quill wrote:

Belatucadros wrote:


Quill that was my post (didge)  to Devil aka Dean and why Bush did little in these situations, showing his claim on Obama, when we see countless similar events is groundless. You wrongly quoted Dean as saying that, when it was me.
Keep up mate

Sorry, I was in the moment.  I try to address the issues and don't always pay attention to who posted...the post had a litany of incidents, and I thought the point was that GWB did it better.  Stop shifting around avvies and I'll get it right next time.  Lol.

One clue I should have known...you are always (rightfully) critical of GWB over his actions in starting the 2nd Iraq war, and I thought it strange you were pulling him up as a model this time.  I'll pay closer attention.

Cheers.

The Devil, You Know wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

The Devil, You Know wrote:
I would love to know where that love letter to obama came from. i'm guessing it wasn't independent
have the poor got richer or poorer. Is america on fire with racial tensions stirred in no small part by the obama administration. Is the world a safer place.

As you know, I don't subscribe to bilateralism in politics, so independence is a meaningless concept for me.  Politics is either humanist, or inhumane.  Humanists seek to help their fellow humans, while non-humanists seek to oppose and defeat others.

Liberals build their platforms on humanist principles; conservatives build their platforms on selfish principles.  Hence, we arrive at that oft-repeated maxim (by me): liberals seek to serve the common interest; conservatives seek to serve special (or selfish) interests.

No where in the brief history of American politics do we see this taking place more than right now.  We see Democrats trying to cure the sick, lift up the poor, moderate querulous behavior nationally and internationally, and make the world a more humane place.  Alternatively, we see Republicans trying to start wars, take advantage of the disadvantages of others, abandon the hungry, sick and needy, elevate status over happiness, all in the name of a theory of selfishness: the world is a better place if we tolerate, indeed create the misery that others experience, they claim.

Democrats elect a black man, believing that all men were created equal; Republicans have embraced sedition and treason in homage to their racist sympathies, rather than have a black president.  Democrats want equality and justice; Republicans want tax breaks for the wealthy, paid for by the food they take from the mouths of hungry children.  Republicans want wars, endless and with no purpose; Democrats reject wars as mere bowel-growls of unhappy, greedy men.  Democrats seek ways to prosperity; Republicans inevitably end up finding discord and poverty.

What I have provided in the post above are actual, real-life examples of a man putting that goodness to work...amid the raucous cries of Republicans, whose dark castles are being destroyed.  Of course Republicans are going to scream, writhe and squirm...for them it is the end.  Dr. Obama not only seeks a better place for mankind, but he reveals the cold, dark places that Republicans seek for us.

I do not take as racist an attitude as you on why rep's dislike obama. I think his record on important issues is what sways them. the fact he would rather golf than address major problems like american citizens having their heads hacked off, or ambassadors being murdered in front of him while he dithered,  probably has more of a bearing.

The Devil, You Know wrote:

Irn Bru wrote:I remember when Tory minister Michael Gove got into trouble over here for using a private email address for government business.

Michael Gove faces questions over department's use of private email

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2011/sep/20/michael-gove-department-private-email

glad to see you agree hilary should be facing some serious questions?