Care workers are filmed slapping brain-damaged patient at private hospital

Care workers are filmed slapping brain-damaged patient at private hospital
Rita Page, 68, and Lynette Crook, 33, plead guilty to charges related to ill-treatment of patient after being secretly filmed

Two care workers at a £3,000-a-week private hospital have been caught on film slapping, jabbing and humiliating a brain-damaged patient as he lay groaning in bed.

Rita Page, 68, and Lynette Crook, 33, were secretly filmed by the victim's family smacking the young victim's legs and swearing at him as they changed his bedding at the Priory Highbank specialist hospital for treatment of neurological disorders in Bury, Greater Manchester.

The film emerged as the pair pleaded guilty to charges of ill-treatment of the vulnerable patient on the first day of their trial at Bolton crown court.

On the secret tape, Page could be heard saying: "You won't beat us, bastard. There's this very fine line between abuse and neglect. Don't you dare be sick on me boy, don't you dare – you dirty, scummy boy."

The footage was filmed between 28 August and 19 September 2012 by the patient's family, who were worried about his treatment at the privately run hospital.

Believing their concerns had not been addressed by senior staff, they hid secret surveillance cameras around the man's room at the hospital.

The victim, who cannot be named for legal reasons, had suffered brain damage following an accident when he was younger.

After the abusers submitted their guilty pleas, the young man's uncle called for surveillance cameras to protect vulnerable patients, saying: "If you have nothing to be ashamed of then it won't be an intrusion."

Page, from Bury, and Crook, of Ramsbottom, were suspended from their duties and were arrested after the footage was handed over to police.

Both were bailed pending a sentencing hearing in May but a judge warned them immediate custody was likely.

Page pleaded guilty to two charges relating to use of abusive language and slapping the patient's leg during a struggle when she put a pillow between his legs.

Crook pleaded guilty to three charges relating to her jabbing the patient in the torso and head with a pen while he was asleep, using abusive language and slapping his leg while taking his blood pressure.

Seven other charges will lie on file.

Speaking after the case, Malcolm Bower-Brown, regional director for the Care Quality Commission, said: "We are aware of this shocking case involving two former employees of the Priory Highbank Centre in Bury. Our thoughts today are with the victim of this dreadful abuse, and their family.

"Our most recent inspection in February 2014 found the home to be meeting the national standards reviewed. However, we continue to monitor the position carefully and will not hesitate to take any regulatory action necessary to ensure residents receive the service they are entitled to expect."

A spokesman for Priory Highbank hospital said: "Everyone at the company deeply regrets the unacceptable actions of these two members of staff, both of whom had over 10 years' service and previously unblemished records.

"The company will not tolerate behaviour of this nature and both healthcare assistants have been dismissed for gross misconduct. This was an isolated incident and does not represent the high standards at this otherwise excellent hospital."

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/mar/25/care-workers-filmed-slapping-brain-damaged-patient

Horrible people

But BA, PRIVATE hospital, WHITE careworkers, how are you going to handle that, because it's only foreigners isn't it?

Good God. That is unbelievable. Sickening.
What sort of people do this to another?

Yeah I found the story incredibly disturbing - I keep think "what if its me or someone in my family"

because it's only foreigners isn't it?

As always, I challenge you to show where I have said that.

I won't bother waiting.

BigAndy9 wrote:because it's only foreigners isn't it?

As always, I challenge you to show where I have said that.

I won't bother waiting.

It's all you ever talk about, for Christ's sake! You think we don't see that?

Ben_Reilly wrote:

BigAndy9 wrote:because it's only foreigners isn't it?

As always, I challenge you to show where I have said that.

I won't bother waiting.

It's all you ever talk about, for Christ's sake! You think we don't see that?

I'm quite sure I've told you that I will mainly post about foreign crimes on here.

And other select forums.

But show me where I have said all crimes are committed by foreigners or all medical crimes are committed by foreigners.

Go on. Go on, give it a try.   

BigAndy9 wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:

BigAndy9 wrote:because it's only foreigners isn't it?

As always, I challenge you to show where I have said that.

I won't bother waiting.

It's all you ever talk about, for Christ's sake! You think we don't see that?

I'm quite sure I've told you that I will mainly post about foreign crimes on here.

And other select forums.

But show me where I have said all crimes are committed by foreigners or all medical crimes are committed by foreigners.

Go on.  Go on, give it a try.    

You have implied that most killings are committed by foreigners. And when we look at your posts a definite pattern emerges.

Ben_Reilly wrote:

BigAndy9 wrote:


I'm quite sure I've told you that I will mainly post about foreign crimes on here.

And other select forums.

But show me where I have said all crimes are committed by foreigners or all medical crimes are committed by foreigners.

Go on.  Go on, give it a try.    

You have implied that most killings are committed by foreigners. And when we look at your posts a definite pattern emerges.

Are you seeing those "tendencies" Ben?

Are you assuming things?

I've seen that quite a lot with you.

Read the posts Ben - it'll make you a better forum owner.   

Yeah and everyone has got so focused on whether or not BA demonstrates racist attitudes that the fact a brain damaged young man has been abused and assaulted by those paid to look after him.

I am the only one who thinks we have reached the point where what people who have done nothing wrong is seen as somehow more important than what the people who have done something wrong have done?

Is this story really about how it demonstrates what BA thinks? Does it really fucking matter what he thinks? Should we be more horrified about someone possibly being racist or carers abusing patients? Who exactly is in the wrong here? And why the hell have we reached the point where I actually have to ask that?

Tell you what Ben why dont you change the title of the thread to "BA is proven racist" and have done with it.

sphinx wrote:Yeah and everyone has got so focused on whether or not BA demonstrates racist attitudes that the fact a brain damaged young man has been abused and assaulted by those paid to look after him.  

I am the only one who thinks we have reached the point where what people who have done nothing wrong is seen as somehow more important than what the people who have done something wrong have done?

Is this story really about how it demonstrates what BA thinks?  Does it really fucking matter what he thinks?  Should we be more horrified about someone possibly being racist or carers abusing patients?  Who exactly is in the wrong here?  And why the hell have we reached the point where I actually have to ask that?

You're absolutely right, Sphinx, this news is far more important than what goes on in BA's head.

You've seen it all before sphinx - they all focus on certain posts and threads and ignore the others I post.

Ben_Reilly wrote:

sphinx wrote:Yeah and everyone has got so focused on whether or not BA demonstrates racist attitudes that the fact a brain damaged young man has been abused and assaulted by those paid to look after him.  

I am the only one who thinks we have reached the point where what people who have done nothing wrong is seen as somehow more important than what the people who have done something wrong have done?

Is this story really about how it demonstrates what BA thinks?  Does it really fucking matter what he thinks?  Should we be more horrified about someone possibly being racist or carers abusing patients?  Who exactly is in the wrong here?  And why the hell have we reached the point where I actually have to ask that?

You're absolutely right, Sphinx, this news is far more important than what goes on in BA's head.

So why make it about him?

BA keep your nose out for a second.

Lets say for the sake of argument only that BA is a true died in the wool racist (I say for arguments sake I do not say as fact)

Seeing as legally we are still (just) allowed freedom to think what we want if he does not put that racism into practice - if he takes care to treat people equally despite believing different - then he is not breaking any laws and is not harming anyone - he is simply expressing an opinion that most may find abhorrent but which is just an opinion.

On the other hand it is more than possible that these two women are not remotely racist and believe truly in equality - while they beat and abuse a helpless brain damaged patient. Their opinions may be as close to perfect as it gets but their actions are beyond unacceptable (I really hope they get sent down for long time and fear they will not)

How about going to back to looking at peoples actions and not what we believe they think?

...hides behind sphinxy-poo's apron...   

I think this ..................The footage was filmed between 28 August and 19 September 2012 by the patient's family, who were worried about his treatment at the privately run hospital.

Believing their concerns had not been addressed by senior staff, they hid secret surveillance cameras around the man's room at the hospital.....

is the worst aspect and clearly belies the mealy mouthed statement by the spokesman

Sphinx, you'll find I didn't jump into this thread to talk about BA until he made the ridiculous claim that he doesn't pretend foreigners are the reason the world isn't wall-to-wall pizza and blowjobs. I know it's just his opinion and he's entitled to it, but I have the right to express my opinion as well. And in my opinion, you don't have to comb through his posts here with a fine-toothed comb to see that he hates Muslims, he hates "foreigners" and he hates pretty much anyone living in the U.K. who wasn't born there with white skin and a British surname.

Ben_Reilly wrote:Sphinx, you'll find I didn't jump into this thread to talk about BA until he made the ridiculous claim that he doesn't pretend foreigners are the reason the world isn't wall-to-wall pizza and blowjobs. I know it's just his opinion and he's entitled to it, but I have the right to express my opinion as well. And in my opinion, you don't have to comb through his posts here with a fine-toothed comb to see that he hates Muslims, he hates "foreigners" and he hates pretty much anyone living in the U.K. who wasn't born there with white skin and a British surname.

I dint think he hates people.
I think he's expressing a real concern about the future if his country and his children's children's future.

Ben_Reilly wrote:Sphinx, you'll find I didn't jump into this thread to talk about BA until he made the ridiculous claim that he doesn't pretend foreigners are the reason the world isn't wall-to-wall pizza and blowjobs. I know it's just his opinion and he's entitled to it, but I have the right to express my opinion as well. And in my opinion, you don't have to comb through his posts here with a fine-toothed comb to see that he hates Muslims, he hates "foreigners" and he hates pretty much anyone living in the U.K. who wasn't born there with white skin and a British surname.

Why did he make that statement Ben? Would it perhaps be that the person who made the opening post seemed to be more worried about demonstrating his posting patterns than she was about the abuse made?

If someone posts a story about something truly awful and then uses it not to comment on the awfulness but to make a crack about your own posting habits would you sit there and not respond?

sphinx wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:Sphinx, you'll find I didn't jump into this thread to talk about BA until he made the ridiculous claim that he doesn't pretend foreigners are the reason the world isn't wall-to-wall pizza and blowjobs. I know it's just his opinion and he's entitled to it, but I have the right to express my opinion as well. And in my opinion, you don't have to comb through his posts here with a fine-toothed comb to see that he hates Muslims, he hates "foreigners" and he hates pretty much anyone living in the U.K. who wasn't born there with white skin and a British surname.

Why did he make that statement Ben?  Would it perhaps be that the person who made the opening post seemed to be more worried about demonstrating his posting patterns than she was about the abuse made?

If someone posts a story about something truly awful and then uses it not to comment on the awfulness but to make a crack about your own posting habits would you sit there and not respond?

You're bang on there sphinx. Sorry to say it.

He doesn't need to make the statement and he is too underhand to make it anyway. But anyone, just reading the titles of his endless threads about 'foreigners' even when they are actually British, has got to be pretty blind not to see the intentions behind them.

sphinx wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:Sphinx, you'll find I didn't jump into this thread to talk about BA until he made the ridiculous claim that he doesn't pretend foreigners are the reason the world isn't wall-to-wall pizza and blowjobs. I know it's just his opinion and he's entitled to it, but I have the right to express my opinion as well. And in my opinion, you don't have to comb through his posts here with a fine-toothed comb to see that he hates Muslims, he hates "foreigners" and he hates pretty much anyone living in the U.K. who wasn't born there with white skin and a British surname.

Why did he make that statement Ben?  Would it perhaps be that the person who made the opening post seemed to be more worried about demonstrating his posting patterns than she was about the abuse made?

If someone posts a story about something truly awful and then uses it not to comment on the awfulness but to make a crack about your own posting habits would you sit there and not respond?

I'd respond but I wouldn't try to blow smoke up the entire forum's ass ...

LOL! God I get so sick of his endless posts. You must think England is a vile place to live in, and in fact it's brilliant and beautiful and in most places races get on with each other really well.

Sassy wrote:He doesn't need to make the statement and he is too underhand to make it anyway.   But anyone, just reading the titles of his endless threads about 'foreigners' even when they are actually British, has got to be pretty blind not to see the intentions behind them.    

Yeah Sassy I get your point - that you are far more concerned with that BA thinks and having him condemned for it than you are about trained careworkers beating and abusing a brain damaged patient.

That is what I am so pissed about. The fact you can take such a sick story and use it just to make a point about how someone thinks says it all.

Brain damaged man being abused - so what.

BA might be racist - shout it from the rooftops.

sphinx wrote:Brain damaged man being abused - so what.

BA might be racist - shout it from the rooftops.

That does happen alot in news stories - on all forums.
I never did get it tbh.

BA is trying to make a point about "foreigners" or Muslims or minorities in pretty much everything he posts that's not about the Occulus Rift, I don't see you complaining about that, sphinx!

Ben_Reilly wrote:BA is trying to make a point about "foreigners" or Muslims or minorities in pretty much everything he posts that's not about the Occulus Rift, I don't see you complaining about that, sphinx!

So what? This is an opinion forum is it not?

Did he try making a point in this thread? Or was this thread set up to make a point about him? Namely that it is a far bigger crime to post about foreigners being less than perfect than it is to assault and abuse a brain damaged man.

I mean am I the only one hearing the positive glee from you and Sassy that this time the crime was committed by white people with British sounding names? Am I the only feeling sickened by the apparent celebrations the crime was not committed by "foreigners".

Like I said this is an opinion forum so of course you and Sassy will have your opinions on BA and will post them and I am not complaining about that - I just wish the pair of you would grow the balls to change the title of this thread to "the sickening crime that proves BA is a racist" rather than the misleading title suggesting it is about a brain damaged disabled man being abused and assaulted by those paid to care for him.

sphinx wrote:

Sassy wrote:He doesn't need to make the statement and he is too underhand to make it anyway.   But anyone, just reading the titles of his endless threads about 'foreigners' even when they are actually British, has got to be pretty blind not to see the intentions behind them.    

Yeah Sassy I get your point - that you are far more concerned with that BA thinks and having him condemned for it than you are about trained careworkers beating and abusing a brain damaged patient.

That is what I am so pissed about.  The fact you can take such a sick story and use it just to make a point about how someone thinks says it all.

Oh do get off your high horse.   I'm as worried about the story as anyone else, but I'm bloody sick of all the racial posts BA makes. Don't try and tell me what I think about the story.

sphinx wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:BA is trying to make a point about "foreigners" or Muslims or minorities in pretty much everything he posts that's not about the Occulus Rift, I don't see you complaining about that, sphinx!

So what?  This is an opinion forum is it not?

Did he try making a point in this thread?  Or was this thread set up to make a point about him?  Namely that it is a far bigger crime to post about foreigners being less than perfect than it is to assault and abuse a brain damaged man.

I mean am I the only one hearing the positive glee from you and Sassy that this time the crime was committed by white people with British sounding names?  Am I the only feeling sickened by the apparent celebrations the crime was not committed by "foreigners".

Like I said this is an opinion forum so of course you and Sassy will have your opinions on BA and will post them and I am not complaining about that - I just wish the pair of you would grow the balls to change the title of this thread to "the sickening crime that proves BA is a racist" rather than the misleading title suggesting it is about a brain damaged disabled man being abused and assaulted by those paid to care for him.

Wow, so BA floods this forum with stories about crime in the U.K. -- so long as the criminals were were not white people with British surnames. That's OK. He tries to convince everyone that they're the source of the majority of crime in the U.K., obviously implying that they're all moral degenerates, and that's OK. But let someone else post one single story about white British criminals and have the sheer audacity to make a comment to BA about how it's not just the non-white British, and suddenly this shitstorm from you.

Ben_Reilly wrote:

sphinx wrote:

So what?  This is an opinion forum is it not?

Did he try making a point in this thread?  Or was this thread set up to make a point about him?  Namely that it is a far bigger crime to post about foreigners being less than perfect than it is to assault and abuse a brain damaged man.

I mean am I the only one hearing the positive glee from you and Sassy that this time the crime was committed by white people with British sounding names?  Am I the only feeling sickened by the apparent celebrations the crime was not committed by "foreigners".

Like I said this is an opinion forum so of course you and Sassy will have your opinions on BA and will post them and I am not complaining about that - I just wish the pair of you would grow the balls to change the title of this thread to "the sickening crime that proves BA is a racist" rather than the misleading title suggesting it is about a brain damaged disabled man being abused and assaulted by those paid to care for him.

Wow, so BA floods this forum with stories about crime in the U.K. -- so long as the criminals were were not white people with British surnames. That's OK. He tries to convince everyone that they're the source of the majority of crime in the U.K., obviously implying that they're all moral degenerates, and that's OK. But let someone else post one single story about white British criminals and have the sheer audacity to make a comment to BA about how it's not just the non-white British, and suddenly this shitstorm from you.

 ::dunno::  Like you, I don't get it

I think sphinx is making the point that none of you actually mentioned the story at all, apart from sassy, who actually posted it.

Ben_Reilly wrote:Sphinx, you'll find I didn't jump into this thread to talk about BA until he made the ridiculous claim that he doesn't pretend foreigners are the reason the world isn't wall-to-wall pizza and blowjobs. I know it's just his opinion and he's entitled to it, but I have the right to express my opinion as well. And in my opinion, you don't have to comb through his posts here with a fine-toothed comb to see that he hates Muslims, he hates "foreigners" and he hates pretty much anyone living in the U.K. who wasn't born there with white skin and a British surname.

Do I slag off all muslims Ben?

Do I post about what they are up to over in... well wherever they live?

Do I post about the ones going about their daily lives in England?

Do I post about Polish people in Poland? The Nigerians in Nigeria?

I post about the bad eggs in England.

If I were racist surely I'd be posting about all the others. It just so happens I couldn't care less about them.

Thank you.

Ben_Reilly wrote:

sphinx wrote:

So what?  This is an opinion forum is it not?

Did he try making a point in this thread?  Or was this thread set up to make a point about him?  Namely that it is a far bigger crime to post about foreigners being less than perfect than it is to assault and abuse a brain damaged man.

I mean am I the only one hearing the positive glee from you and Sassy that this time the crime was committed by white people with British sounding names?  Am I the only feeling sickened by the apparent celebrations the crime was not committed by "foreigners".

Like I said this is an opinion forum so of course you and Sassy will have your opinions on BA and will post them and I am not complaining about that - I just wish the pair of you would grow the balls to change the title of this thread to "the sickening crime that proves BA is a racist" rather than the misleading title suggesting it is about a brain damaged disabled man being abused and assaulted by those paid to care for him.

Wow, so BA floods this forum with stories about crime in the U.K. -- so long as the criminals were were not white people with British surnames. That's OK. He tries to convince everyone that they're the source of the majority of crime in the U.K., obviously implying that they're all moral degenerates, and that's OK. But let someone else post one single story about white British criminals and have the sheer audacity to make a comment to BA about how it's not just the non-white British, and suddenly this shitstorm from you.

If the emphasis had been about the crime, about what should happen to those guilty, about how the victim could be helped after their ordeal, about how the crime could have been prevented about how a repeat could be prevented then I would not have gone off on one. I mean the story itself proposed a possible solution which should be causing more controversy than it is - namely the placing of cameras in patient rooms.

However the emphasis was on none of that - instead it was gleeful cries of Hey look andy this crime was committed by white british people. The really really worrying aspect is that none of you so gleeful about having "proved" andy is in the wrong have realized that you have just stepped fully into playing his game - and put him massively ahead. The protestations that he "floods" the boards with stories of "foreign" criminals while Sassy has just found one kind of suggests that firstly he is on the right track looking at the race/origin of criminals and secondly that there are indeed more being committed by "foreigners".

The attempts by both parties to make crime something to do with race/origin are both abhorrent and ridiculous - finding a single white british crime does not prove "foreigners" do not commit crimes - finding a thousand foreign committed crimes does not prove white british are better - and all of you lot should know that.

I mean the only way you could have pulled andy up on this was to post the story comment on the crime and wait to see if he came in and suggested it had been committed by "foreigners" - hell if that had been the case I would have ripped him a new one as that would have proven his stance he is interested in crime not race is bullshit. You did not do that - you attacked him before he did anything and now nobody is going to know whether he would have assumed it was committed by foreigners or not. So maybe you all ought to step back and stop worrying about race and stop worrying about if andy is worrying about race and deal with the facts in front you - if someone makes a false assumption pull them up on it, just try not to make assumptions yourself and that includes assuming andy is going assume a crime is committed by foreigners.

The attempts by both parties to make crime something to do with race/origin are both abhorrent and ridiculous

I find that offensive.

I have asked the question, and stated that it appears that foreigners do most killings in the UK and I am very shocked at the amount of problems with foreigners in the medical industry.

I get these impressions from the media, from what I see and from what I am relayed by other people.

BigAndy9 wrote:The attempts by both parties to make crime something to do with race/origin are both abhorrent and ridiculous

I find that offensive.  

I have asked the question, and stated that it appears that foreigners do most killings in the UK and I am very shocked at the amount of problems with foreigners in the medical industry.

I get these impressions from the media, from what I see and from what I am relayed by other people.

I dont give a shit if you feel offended.

It is rather clear that your posts cause others to feel offended. I am sure you do not intend that so their offence is their problem.

I did not intend you to feel offence so that offence is your problem. Live with it.

sphinx wrote:

BigAndy9 wrote:The attempts by both parties to make crime something to do with race/origin are both abhorrent and ridiculous

I find that offensive.  

I have asked the question, and stated that it appears that foreigners do most killings in the UK and I am very shocked at the amount of problems with foreigners in the medical industry.

I get these impressions from the media, from what I see and from what I am relayed by other people.

I dont give a shit if you feel offended.

It is rather clear that your posts cause others to feel offended.  I am sure you do not intend that so their offence is their problem.

I did not intend you to feel offence so that offence is your problem.  Live with it.

I am living with it and I'm telling you I find it offensive.

I'm not asking or telling you to do anything about it, I'm telling you I find it offensive. Get over it!

Sassy wrote:Care workers are filmed slapping brain-damaged patient at private hospital
Rita Page, 68, and Lynette Crook, 33, plead guilty to charges related to ill-treatment of patient after being secretly filmed...........................................................

Both were bailed pending a sentencing hearing in May but a judge warned them immediate custody was likely................................................................................

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/mar/25/care-workers-filmed-slapping-brain-damaged-patient

Horrible people..........

  

A BIT of jail time is the minimum that those psycho' abusers should expect...

Simply being dismissed isn't really enough ~ the relevant government bureaucracy should be able to place a lifetime ban on these people ever working in a "caring" capacity again..

The responsibilities inherent in their jobs is the same as that imposed on teachers, nurses, childcarers, emergency workers, (irrespective of how underpaid or over-worked some of them might be).    

Did you not read the bit you quoted Bee?

Both were bailed pending a sentencing hearing in May but a judge warned them immediate custody was likely..

Likely but not guaranteed.

However Bee you can feel better about their working chances as they will be banned from working with any vulnerable group - and that includes volunteer work.
https://www.gov.uk/disclosure-barring-service-check/overview

BigAndy9 wrote:The attempts by both parties to make crime something to do with race/origin are both abhorrent and ridiculous

I find that offensive.  

I have asked the question, and stated that it appears that foreigners do most killings in the UK and I am very shocked at the amount of problems with foreigners in the medical industry.

I get these impressions from the media, from what I see and from what I am relayed by other people.

Let me ask you this, and I don't ask facetiously -- do you ever consider that your opinion could be wrong?

Personally, I try to always ask myself whether my opinion could be wrong; for a few examples, I wonder: Could antisocial behavior really have something to do with ethnicity, something encoded in the genome of people of one skin color but not those of another? Could there really be ways of being 100 percent positive about something without tangible evidence? Could the scientists who tell us that skin color is as insignificant as eye color actually be engaged in a conspiracy, witting or not, to deceive the public about the truth of racial differences?

Only after considering these possibilities and judging their merits do I come to my conclusion that no, there is no real difference between the average white person and the average black person or any other ethnic comparison you'd care to make. Black skin doesn't equal "black thought" anymore than white skin makes people awkward at dancing.

I clicked on this thread thinking it was about care workers slapping a brain-damaged patient - a reasonable assumption considering the thread title, but it appears to be about whether or not someone is racist.  ::dunno:: 

Ben_Reilly wrote:

BigAndy9 wrote:The attempts by both parties to make crime something to do with race/origin are both abhorrent and ridiculous

I find that offensive.  

I have asked the question, and stated that it appears that foreigners do most killings in the UK and I am very shocked at the amount of problems with foreigners in the medical industry.

I get these impressions from the media, from what I see and from what I am relayed by other people.

Let me ask you this, and I don't ask facetiously -- do you ever consider that your opinion could be wrong?

Personally, I try to always ask myself whether my opinion could be wrong; for a few examples, I wonder: Could antisocial behavior really have something to do with ethnicity, something encoded in the genome of people of one skin color but not those of another? Could there really be ways of being 100 percent positive about something without tangible evidence? Could the scientists who tell us that skin color is as insignificant as eye color actually be engaged in a conspiracy, witting or not, to deceive the public about the truth of racial differences?

Only after considering these possibilities and judging their merits do I come to my conclusion that no, there is no real difference between the average white person and the average black person or any other ethnic comparison you'd care to make. Black skin doesn't equal "black thought" anymore than white skin makes people awkward at dancing.

Of course I do - a lot of my posts are actually questions - I certainly don't have the answer to everything.

On a lot I put my opinion.

On some I let people know that I think I am right - at any time others can come along and say they think I'm wrong and put what they think.

This is a silly conversation - the above is just obvious.

BigAndy9 wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Let me ask you this, and I don't ask facetiously -- do you ever consider that your opinion could be wrong?

Personally, I try to always ask myself whether my opinion could be wrong; for a few examples, I wonder: Could antisocial behavior really have something to do with ethnicity, something encoded in the genome of people of one skin color but not those of another? Could there really be ways of being 100 percent positive about something without tangible evidence? Could the scientists who tell us that skin color is as insignificant as eye color actually be engaged in a conspiracy, witting or not, to deceive the public about the truth of racial differences?

Only after considering these possibilities and judging their merits do I come to my conclusion that no, there is no real difference between the average white person and the average black person or any other ethnic comparison you'd care to make. Black skin doesn't equal "black thought" anymore than white skin makes people awkward at dancing.

Of course I do - a lot of my posts are actually questions - I certainly don't have the answer to everything.

On a lot I put my opinion.

On some I let people know that I think I am right - at any time others can come along and say they think I'm wrong and put what they think.

This is a silly conversation - the above is just obvious.

it is called debate

VOD(original) wrote:

BigAndy9 wrote:

Of course I do - a lot of my posts are actually questions - I certainly don't have the answer to everything.

On a lot I put my opinion.

On some I let people know that I think I am right - at any time others can come along and say they think I'm wrong and put what they think.

This is a silly conversation - the above is just obvious.

it is called debate

That's what I thought.

Some call it RACISM!

BigAndy9 wrote:

VOD(original) wrote:

it is called debate

That's what I thought.

Some call it RACISM!

that word is used far too much nowadays and is just an attempt to stop us speaking our minds

eddie wrote:Good God. That is unbelievable. Sickening.
What sort of people do this to another?

I worked in a care home many moons ago and this sort of thing is not uncommon.

The carers are rushed off their feet,there isn't enough staff to care properly for the residents so things get sloppy and rushed,charts get filled in but no work is actually done as there simply isn't time as there is too many things to do.

I didn't witness staff being abusive to these extremes but I certainly saw staff being too rough with patients,sometimes because they didn't care,other times because they were too stressed and rushed. Because care homes are now run for profit they don't want to take on enough staff to care for the residents,this is a big problem.

Care homes are dangerous places. Vulnerable residents are in the care of people who don't have much empathy or qualifications,are often low paid and so have to work alot of hours hence get very tired.

There is no excuse for the behavior of the two female staff in this video but I am not at all surprised it goes on.

Hi fluffy,
I too, worked in care/nursing homes so I do know the workload and stress it can entail.
I agree, I saw carers who were a little rough and at times, quite uncaring!
I was always complaining about the other carers and I became a bit unpopular tbh.
I was doing my job and theirs, hence my lifelong belief that most people are crap at their jobs lol

In any case, I never saw abuse to this extinct though, if I did if have reported them straight away.

It's despicable.

You can come and look after me when I'm in an old peoples' home Fluffy.

Bring some of your nurses outfits  ::=|Q:: 

BigAndy9 wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:

BigAndy9 wrote:The attempts by both parties to make crime something to do with race/origin are both abhorrent and ridiculous

I find that offensive.  

I have asked the question, and stated that it appears that foreigners do most killings in the UK and I am very shocked at the amount of problems with foreigners in the medical industry.

I get these impressions from the media, from what I see and from what I am relayed by other people.

Let me ask you this, and I don't ask facetiously -- do you ever consider that your opinion could be wrong?

Personally, I try to always ask myself whether my opinion could be wrong; for a few examples, I wonder: Could antisocial behavior really have something to do with ethnicity, something encoded in the genome of people of one skin color but not those of another? Could there really be ways of being 100 percent positive about something without tangible evidence? Could the scientists who tell us that skin color is as insignificant as eye color actually be engaged in a conspiracy, witting or not, to deceive the public about the truth of racial differences?

Only after considering these possibilities and judging their merits do I come to my conclusion that no, there is no real difference between the average white person and the average black person or any other ethnic comparison you'd care to make. Black skin doesn't equal "black thought" anymore than white skin makes people awkward at dancing.

Of course I do - a lot of my posts are actually questions - I certainly don't have the answer to everything.

On a lot I put my opinion.

On some I let people know that I think I am right - at any time others can come along and say they think I'm wrong and put what they think.

This is a silly conversation - the above is just obvious.

My apologies, I was just wondering how you could manage to hold such ridiculous opinions and was wondering if you'd just never researched them or at least thought them through.  ::D:: 

The version of this story I read earlier in the week (in the Daily Mail so it must be true....) said that they had both got long, previously unblemished records with the care home, for which you can read this is the first time they have been caught, and also a member of this lads family had been banned from the premises for voicing his concerns previously to the Management. IF this is true, then not only should these women be in the dock but also their immediate superiors and management who clearly swept the complaints under the carpet.