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Post by eddie Fri Nov 19, 2021 8:17 pm

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Austria has become the first Western democracy to resort to mandatory vaccination in response to a record-breaking surge in infections that has flooded its hospitals with critical COVID-19 patients.

Chancellor Alexander Schallenberg announced Friday that COVID-19 vaccination would be mandatory in the Alpine republic from February 2022.

That makes Austria the first European country — and one of the first in the world — to impose compulsory coronavirus vaccination.

“We have not managed to get enough unvaccinated people to get vaccinated. The most recent measures have increased daily vaccinations but not enough," Schallenberg said. "For a long time, it was consensus in the country that a vaccine mandate is not necessary, but we have to face reality."

Austria will also enter a nationwide lockdown for a maximum of 20 days from next Monday, Schallenberg added.

The decision by Schallenberg, who has only been in the job for just over a month after predecessor Sebastian Kurz stepped down amid a sleaze investigation, marks a dramatic escalation in Vienna’s policy response after Austria’s fourth coronavirus wave went ballistic.

The central European country is grappling with a surging infection rate, as more than 15,000 new cases were reported Thursday, up from 11,000 earlier this week.

Takeup of coronavirus vaccination by Austria’s nine million people has been relatively low by European standards, at 65.5 percent, despite ample availability of doses procured centrally for EU member states.

That reflects a more widespread skepticism in German-speaking countries — in particular in regions where parties of the political far right that have campaigned against pandemic restrictions enjoy strong support.

That, in turn, has left societies wide open to the Delta variant, which is more infectious than earlier iterations of the coronavirus and thrives in colder weather.

https://www.politico.eu/article/austria-mandatory-coronavirus-vaccination-february/
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Post by gelico Wed Nov 24, 2021 11:31 am




They are dragging people off to camps and forcefully injecting them in the Northern territories of Australia. They also have ordered body bags for this as once the people are dead they won't be buried on that ground otherwise it becomes sacred ground and they won't allow it. there are Australians crying online begging for help with whats going on.....

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Post by gelico Wed Nov 24, 2021 12:04 pm




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JputmXX0H6I



you really need to watch what is happening in Australis

It WILL happen around the world unless people wake up

dangerous virus you say???

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Post by Syl Wed Nov 24, 2021 1:28 pm

Gels, I think watching conspiracy sites, and random people going hysterical on social media, people like this lady, who has no idea what is happening, she has no proof, she is asking people to tell her what's happening, I think she lives in a remote part of the country and she has convinced herself that Armageddon is coming...it's hysteria, prompted by the few around her, who are provoking her fears.

I think it's scared you, when what really should be scaring you is the fact that some European countries are heading for lockdown again....and we know from the last 2 years, what happens there could happen here.

We can't afford another lockdown, and there is one way to help stop it.
Germany have already dismantled their Christmas markets. In Manchester, council leaders are now saying it's a possibility that ours may also close if the rates of Covid keep climbing.

Science has shown us, just as in other very infectious diseases....vaccination is the best way to stop infections spreading.
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Post by Tommy Monk Wed Nov 24, 2021 1:33 pm

Vintage wrote:Maybe people were dying faster and ending up in cold storage before they could get to the Nightingales.
What purpose are you alleging to? What is it for the, in your eyes, false reports of infected people and deaths, why are all governments apparently inflating numbers and messing with their economies to pull the wool over their populations eyes? It must be a good reason for everyone to go to these lengths. If the mass graves in New York and the overflowing cemeteries in developing countries are exhumed would we find bodies with bullet holes instead of virus? You know kill a few hundred thousand to make it look authentic that a virus is loose?


Nobody here is saying that covid doesn't exist, and nobody is saying people haven't died from it.


But there is a big difference between the numbers who died from it and the govt fig that is people who've died WITH it.


And considering that it's been going round for 2 years now, and vast majority of people have already had it and not died, huge percentage not even had anything more than a few days feeling like they had a bit of flu, with even higher numbers having even milder or no symptoms at all... and the average age of those who did die is known to be 82 years old, and overwhelming vast majority having other serious health conditions and already knocking on heaven's door, then I would say that covid is not as deadly or dangerous as it has been made out to be.




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Post by Tommy Monk Wed Nov 24, 2021 1:38 pm

Also, you can have as many jabs as you like... But you can still get covid, you can still transmit covid, and you could still get ill from covid, you could still end up seriously ill from covid and you could still die from covid... And you could even get seriously ill or die from the jabs.


However... nearly 100% of those who've had covid didn't die from it, and are highly unlikely to get it again because their immune systems have developed a very strong protection from it.




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Post by Vintage Wed Nov 24, 2021 4:42 pm

So Tommy, Gels If what you are saying is correct can you explain to me why governments all over the world are taking part in this deception, what's in it for them - there has to be a reason for spending all the tax payers money and for risking ruining their economies. Is it the chip in the vaccine to have mind control over the masses and turn us all into drones or what? Is this the Anti Christ 'number' we are supposed to have tattooed on us although technology has moved on since that idea came out. We won't be able to access health, food, water, jobs, accommodation without one?

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Post by Tommy Monk Wed Nov 24, 2021 4:55 pm




What have I said that isn't true?


Let's start there...


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Post by Vintage Wed Nov 24, 2021 5:06 pm

Fine its all true but why?

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Post by gelico Wed Nov 24, 2021 5:27 pm



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''The Australian ARMY has now been brought in to TRANSFER INDIGENOUS peoples’ positive Covid cases & close contacts in the Northern Territories to quarantine CAMPS

The infection fatality rate for covid is 0.096%, similar to the flu''.

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Post by gelico Wed Nov 24, 2021 5:29 pm

Vintage wrote:So Tommy, Gels If what you are saying is correct can you explain to me why governments all over the world are taking part in this deception, what's in it for them - there has to be a reason for spending all the tax payers money and for risking ruining their economies. Is it the chip in the vaccine to have mind control over the masses and turn us all into drones or what? Is this the Anti  Christ 'number' we are supposed to have tattooed on us although technology has moved on since that idea came out. We won't be able to access health, food, water, jobs, accommodation without one?


money and retaining their power

earthly riches

you seriously think the common people matter? at all? in any way?

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Post by Tommy Monk Wed Nov 24, 2021 5:39 pm




"...The infection fatality rate for covid is 0.096%, similar to the flu..."


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Post by Syl Wed Nov 24, 2021 6:13 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:


"...The infection fatality rate for covid is 0.096%, similar to the flu..."



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Post by Tommy Monk Wed Nov 24, 2021 6:33 pm




Syl... Stop running away from the truth!!!


Think it's you who is being the ostrich with burying your head in the sand!!!


I am always consistent in that I will only ever post the truth!!!


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Post by gelico Wed Nov 24, 2021 6:45 pm

[i]In Germany, the Head of the Chemnitz Clinic, Dr Thomas Jendges, committed suicide saying he no longer wants to be part of the Genocide happening vis the COVID-19 Vaccine[/i].



https://www.nutritruth.org/single-post/germany-dr-thomas-jendges-head-of-clinic-commits-suicide-covid-19-vaccine-is-a-genocide

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Post by gelico Wed Nov 24, 2021 7:18 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:


Syl... Stop running away from the truth!!!


you ask the impossible with that one


Think it's you who is being the ostrich with burying your head in the sand!!!


with good reason though





it is easier to fool a person than to convince a person that they have been fooled

dont know who said that but it's true.

also saw a podcast with a prediction that when all the lies do eventually unravel (predicted spring) and the truth is known that suicides will rocket because the psychological trauma done to people will be just too much to bear.

and there will always be the section like syl who lives in a nice fluffy world where the government wouldn't dream of lying to the people and can be trusted to to it's utmost to protect it's citizens, and will ignore and dismiss evidence before her eyes because it's too much to cope with.  she will never leave that world because she can't.  she is probably all ready double jabbed and will go for a booster and (if she has the real thing and not the placebo which makes perfect scientific sense during a deadly pandemic ) she will die in a few short years  and then she will haunt me and say ''see, geli, i told you covid was dangerous''


it is what it is Tommy

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Post by Vintage Wed Nov 24, 2021 7:23 pm

gelico wrote:
Vintage wrote:So Tommy, Gels If what you are saying is correct can you explain to me why governments all over the world are taking part in this deception, what's in it for them - there has to be a reason for spending all the tax payers money and for risking ruining their economies. Is it the chip in the vaccine to have mind control over the masses and turn us all into drones or what? Is this the Anti  Christ 'number' we are supposed to have tattooed on us although technology has moved on since that idea came out. We won't be able to access health, food, water, jobs, accommodation without one?


money and retaining their power

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you seriously think the common people matter?  at all?  in any way?

But how will vaccinating people get them more money or power. The British vaccine is sold at cost, its formula is being shared with other countries - not sold, where's the profit in that.
Of course common people don't matter to the movers and shakers they never have. What's new.
That still doesn't answer why these sinister people have forced or persuaded every country in the world to run with this conspiracy against the world population. Why vaccinate to eliminate, if that's the intent why not get a really good virus to infect the world  and let nature take it's course, after those on the inside have been suitably protected of course. I just can't see reason for all this if the virus only finishes off 4% you then for some reason invent a vaccine that carries off even fewer, or do you think the death rate from the vaccine will accelerate over the next 10-20 or more years?
Aren't there easier and more direct or even indirect ways to depopulate put hormones in the water and watch the birth rate drop.
The 1918 flu has been recreated use that, while keeping yourself safe in some sealed bunker unless you have a remedy.

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Post by Vintage Wed Nov 24, 2021 7:34 pm

The movers and shakers already have money and power, what is the objective in this virus and vaccination? Convince me.

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Post by gelico Wed Nov 24, 2021 7:50 pm

Vintage wrote:The movers and shakers already have money and power, what is the objective in this virus and vaccination? Convince me.


mostly a depopulation agenda

Boris Johnson himself wrote a passionate article back in 2013 talking about over population crisis and how it needed to be controlled.

and then of course complete compliance and obedience from those still alive


winning a crown has never been much of a problem back in the day for various monarchs.....it's keeping it that's difficult

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Post by Vintage Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:31 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:


"...The infection fatality rate for covid is 0.096%, similar to the flu..."



Similar is not the same.
Are the overflow morgues an illusion on my part then? Or am I lying as well as many scientists and other people.

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Post by Vintage Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:39 pm

gelico wrote:
Vintage wrote:The movers and shakers already have money and power, what is the objective in this virus and vaccination? Convince me.


mostly a depopulation agenda

Boris Johnson himself wrote a passionate article back in 2013 talking about over population crisis and how it needed to be controlled.

and then of course complete compliance and obedience from those still alive


winning a crown has never been much of a problem back in the day for various monarchs.....it's keeping it that's difficult

Much easier and quicker ways to do that, and you could probably choose who you wish to survive..

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Post by gelico Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:57 pm

Vintage wrote:
gelico wrote:


mostly a depopulation agenda

Boris Johnson himself wrote a passionate article back in 2013 talking about over population crisis and how it needed to be controlled.

and then of course complete compliance and obedience from those still alive


winning a crown has never been much of a problem back in the day for various monarchs.....it's keeping it that's difficult

Much easier and quicker ways to do that, and you could probably choose who you wish to survive..


how would you go about it?

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Post by gelico Wed Nov 24, 2021 9:02 pm

Vintage wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:


"...The infection fatality rate for covid is 0.096%, similar to the flu..."



Similar is not the same.

You're right. It's quite possible that the fatality rate for covid is actually lower than the fatality rate of a standard flu virus. In any case less than 1% of the population dying from this hardly warrants constant lockdowns and forced vaccinations.


Are the overflow morgues an illusion on my part then? Or am I lying as well as many scientists and other people.


where are these overflow morgues?

which scientists? the ones funded by Bill Gates? or independents?

which other people?

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Post by Tommy Monk Wed Nov 24, 2021 9:14 pm

Vintage wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:


"...The infection fatality rate for covid is 0.096%, similar to the flu..."



Similar is not the same.
Are the overflow morgues an illusion on my part then? Or am I lying as well as many scientists and other people.


The rate is almost exactly the same... Which is why it is said to be similar.


And isn't it most likely that the higher numbers seen in morgues was exacerbated by the lockdowns and lower staffing levels further down the chain, meaning fewer bodies could be moved elsewhere to funeral directors for burials/cremations etc...?


Effectively creating a backlog that built up in the morgues?


We are currently seeing a higher than average death rate, but not from covid but from medical conditions that didn't get the treatment that was needed over last couple years because of all the suspension of services while all the focus was on treating all the huge numbers of covid patients that didn't end up being as high as was thought might happen...


The hospital I worked in last year had the surgeries closed for regular operations, and I had several conversations with one of the top surgeons there in that department (as I was doing works in that part of the building that he was in charge of) and he told me he and others didn't have much to do during this time apart from fitting a couple of ventilators each week into patients windpipes.


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Post by Vintage Wed Nov 24, 2021 10:22 pm

No, it wasn't a back log it was more bodies definitely, every facility was affected hospital morgues undertakers and then we had the specially modified facilities, which we were asked not to talk about at the time. There are also more permanent facilities being built at various hospitals to take anything from 500 extra bodies to what the normal mortuary can accommodate.
As I have already said in all my years doing this job even in bad flu years the extra facilities have not been required its all been managed with space to spare.. The extra people dying are something else but its still not like it was at the peak of the epidemic, at least not yet.
So why, I desperate to know, do you think its population control as well? Or for pity sake give me a reason for someone to take all this trouble.

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Post by Syl Thu Nov 25, 2021 1:14 am

gelico wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:


Syl... Stop running away from the truth!!!


you ask the impossible with that one


Think it's you who is being the ostrich with burying your head in the sand!!!


with good reason though





it is easier to fool a person than to convince a person that they have been fooled

dont know who said that but it's true.

also saw a podcast with a prediction that when all the lies do eventually unravel (predicted spring) and the truth is known that suicides will rocket because the psychological trauma done to people will be just too much to bear.

and there will always be the section like syl who lives in a nice fluffy world where the government wouldn't dream of lying to the people and can be trusted to to it's utmost to protect it's citizens, and will ignore and dismiss evidence before her eyes because it's too much to cope with.  she will never leave that world because she can't.  she is probably all ready double jabbed and will go for a booster and (if she has the real thing and not the placebo which makes perfect scientific sense during a deadly pandemic ) she will die in a few short years  and then she will haunt me and say ''see, geli, i told you covid was dangerous''


it is what it is Tommy

I must have really touched a nerve for you to make this post Gels.
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Post by Tommy Monk Thu Nov 25, 2021 7:14 am




Monthly death rates England and Wales...


May 21 37,864
Apr 21 41,513
Mar 21 48,624
Feb 21 58,767
Jan 21 73,315
Dec 20 56,614
Nov 20 51,330
Oct 20 46,296
Sep 20 42,500
Aug 20 37,187
Jul 20 40,780
Jun 20 42,624
May 20 52,374
Apr 20 88,153
Mar 20 49,723
Feb 20 43,653
Jan 20 56,706
Dec 19 47,469
Nov 19 45,219
Oct 19 46,240
Sep19 40,012
Aug 19 38,843
Jul 19 42,305
Jun 19 38,606
May 19 44,388
Apr 19 44,123
Mar 19 43,946
Feb 19 45,796
Jan 19 53,910
Dec 18 41,539
Nov 18 43,978
Oct 18 44,440
Sep 18 37,137
Aug 18 40,192
Jul 18 40,723
Jun 18 39,767
May 18 42,784
Apr 18 46,469
Mar 18 51,229
Feb 18 49,177
Jan 18 64,154
Dec 17 45,129
Nov 17 45,580
Oct 17 43,597
Sep 17 40,095
Aug 17 41,074
Jul 17 38,425
Jun 17 42,175
May 17 44,279
Apr 17 39,101
Mar 17 48,664
Feb 17 47,766
Jan 17 57,368
Dec 16 45,555
Nov 16 46,514
Oct 16 40,448
Sep 16 40,367
Aug 16 40,786
Jul 16 38,983
Jun 16 42,012
May 16 41,384
Apr 16 46,856
Mar 16 48,665
Feb 16 46,021
Jan 16 47,457
Dec 15 45,509
Nov 15 41,520
Oct 15 42,232
Sep 15 41,573
Aug 15 36,199
Jul 15 40,512
Jun 15 42,082
May 15 39,343
Apr 15 45,178
Mar 15 47,895
Feb 15 46,721
Jan 15 60,891


https://www.statista.com/statistics/1115077/monthly-deaths-in-england-and-wales/


The figures for last 2 years are not much different to other years...


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Post by Eilzel Thu Nov 25, 2021 7:36 am

gelico wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:


Syl... Stop running away from the truth!!!


you ask the impossible with that one


Think it's you who is being the ostrich with burying your head in the sand!!!


with good reason though





it is easier to fool a person than to convince a person that they have been fooled

dont know who said that but it's true.

also saw a podcast with a prediction that when all the lies do eventually unravel (predicted spring) and the truth is known that suicides will rocket because the psychological trauma done to people will be just too much to bear.

and there will always be the section like syl who lives in a nice fluffy world where the government wouldn't dream of lying to the people and can be trusted to to it's utmost to protect it's citizens, and will ignore and dismiss evidence before her eyes because it's too much to cope with.  she will never leave that world because she can't.  she is probably all ready double jabbed and will go for a booster and (if she has the real thing and not the placebo which makes perfect scientific sense during a deadly pandemic ) she will die in a few short years  and then she will haunt me and say ''see, geli, i told you covid was dangerous''


it is what it is Tommy

No one is saying governments don’t lie to their people. Boris Johnson and the Tories have done literally nothing BUT lie to us on a near daily basis since the start of his takeover on 2019. It gave us our (not) oven ready Brexit and has been fking us ever since. Some of us have been attacking this government over their (very real) lies for a lot longer than others.

However, in regards to Covid, I think it takes a staggering amount of incredulity to believe that every government in the world would all agree to follow and propagate the same lie for 2 years and at massive economic cost to every one of them, despite the fact than any individual one (especially Russia or China) would benefit massively from exposing the ‘lie’ that has led western governments to take extreme measures against their own people.

Sounds more like desperate conspiracy thirsting when you can deny the stupidity of believing such rubbish.

Note, I’m not even commenting on whether the response to Covid is proportional or not - but sheer overreaction through incompetence (if you do believe they overreacted) is far more likely than some loony NWO BS.
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Post by Tommy Monk Thu Nov 25, 2021 8:24 am




I'm not saying anything of the sort... The facts are different from the general publics perception which has been fueled by media hysteria.


That is what I'm saying.


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Post by Vintage Thu Nov 25, 2021 8:31 pm

I don't know much about figures anything can be proved or disproven with them.
I can only go on my experiences, if you don't believe me so be it.
I don't know where all those extra bodies came from or went if the figures are the same for the years prior to covid I only know something I haven't experienced before even in bad flu years, morgues were full hence the overflow facilities, I know undertakers were at full stretch and crematoriums and cemeteries were adding extra bookings to their usual tally, so maybe you could explain it to me, I was just there, what do I know. If this is some huge conspiracy with every world government involved maybe they were busy knocking off illegals and the homeless to fill the body bags to keep up the pretence.

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Post by gelico Thu Nov 25, 2021 9:52 pm

Vintage wrote:I don't know much about figures anything can be proved or disproven with them.
I can only go on my experiences, if you don't believe me so be it.
I don't know where all those extra bodies came from or went if the figures are the same for the years prior to covid I only know something I haven't experienced before even in bad flu years, morgues were full hence the overflow facilities, I know undertakers were at full stretch and crematoriums and cemeteries were adding extra bookings to their usual tally, so maybe you could explain it to me, I was just there, what do I know. If this is some huge conspiracy with every world government involved maybe they were busy knocking off illegals and the homeless to fill the body bags to keep up the pretence.


so do you work at a morgue? or an undertakers? or crematorium. what are your own experiences.

during the autumn of 2020 undertakers were online saying that there had been no increase in business and this was up and down the country. it is possible that in certain areas there were more deaths, i'm not sure but you would have to be more specific

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Post by gelico Thu Nov 25, 2021 9:54 pm

Syl wrote:
gelico wrote:


it is easier to fool a person than to convince a person that they have been fooled

dont know who said that but it's true.

also saw a podcast with a prediction that when all the lies do eventually unravel (predicted spring) and the truth is known that suicides will rocket because the psychological trauma done to people will be just too much to bear.

and there will always be the section like syl who lives in a nice fluffy world where the government wouldn't dream of lying to the people and can be trusted to to it's utmost to protect it's citizens, and will ignore and dismiss evidence before her eyes because it's too much to cope with.  she will never leave that world because she can't.  she is probably all ready double jabbed and will go for a booster and (if she has the real thing and not the placebo which makes perfect scientific sense during a deadly pandemic ) she will die in a few short years  and then she will haunt me and say ''see, geli, i told you covid was dangerous''


it is what it is Tommy

I must have really touched a nerve for you to make this post Gels.


why?


it's not as though i'm angry

it's just all so depressingly predictable and even though there is a part of me that thinks i am wasting my time, i will still continue to post facts and data regardless




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Post by gelico Thu Nov 25, 2021 10:00 pm

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gelico wrote:


it is easier to fool a person than to convince a person that they have been fooled

dont know who said that but it's true.

also saw a podcast with a prediction that when all the lies do eventually unravel (predicted spring) and the truth is known that suicides will rocket because the psychological trauma done to people will be just too much to bear.

and there will always be the section like syl who lives in a nice fluffy world where the government wouldn't dream of lying to the people and can be trusted to to it's utmost to protect it's citizens, and will ignore and dismiss evidence before her eyes because it's too much to cope with.  she will never leave that world because she can't.  she is probably all ready double jabbed and will go for a booster and (if she has the real thing and not the placebo which makes perfect scientific sense during a deadly pandemic ) she will die in a few short years  and then she will haunt me and say ''see, geli, i told you covid was dangerous''


it is what it is Tommy

No one is saying governments don’t lie to their people. Boris Johnson and the Tories have done literally nothing BUT lie to us on a near daily basis since the start of his takeover on 2019. It gave us our (not) oven ready Brexit and has been fking us ever since. Some of us have been attacking this government over their (very real) lies for a lot longer than others.

However, in regards to Covid, I think it takes a staggering amount of incredulity to believe that every government in the world would all agree to follow and propagate the same lie for 2 years and at massive economic cost to every one of them, despite the fact than any individual one (especially Russia or China) would benefit massively from exposing the ‘lie’ that has led western governments to take extreme measures against their own people.

Sounds more like desperate conspiracy thirsting when you can deny the stupidity of believing such rubbish.

Note, I’m not even commenting on whether the response to Covid is proportional or not - but sheer overreaction through incompetence (if you do believe they overreacted) is far more likely than some loony NWO BS.



and your answer demonstrates perfectly why the elite can do exactly whatever the fuck they like, have been doing and will continue to do so.

cos it's just some wild conspiracy BS



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Post by Eilzel Fri Nov 26, 2021 7:20 am

gelico wrote:
Eilzel wrote:
gelico wrote:


it is easier to fool a person than to convince a person that they have been fooled

dont know who said that but it's true.

also saw a podcast with a prediction that when all the lies do eventually unravel (predicted spring) and the truth is known that suicides will rocket because the psychological trauma done to people will be just too much to bear.

and there will always be the section like syl who lives in a nice fluffy world where the government wouldn't dream of lying to the people and can be trusted to to it's utmost to protect it's citizens, and will ignore and dismiss evidence before her eyes because it's too much to cope with.  she will never leave that world because she can't.  she is probably all ready double jabbed and will go for a booster and (if she has the real thing and not the placebo which makes perfect scientific sense during a deadly pandemic ) she will die in a few short years  and then she will haunt me and say ''see, geli, i told you covid was dangerous''


it is what it is Tommy

No one is saying governments don’t lie to their people. Boris Johnson and the Tories have done literally nothing BUT lie to us on a near daily basis since the start of his takeover on 2019. It gave us our (not) oven ready Brexit and has been fking us ever since. Some of us have been attacking this government over their (very real) lies for a lot longer than others.

However, in regards to Covid, I think it takes a staggering amount of incredulity to believe that every government in the world would all agree to follow and propagate the same lie for 2 years and at massive economic cost to every one of them, despite the fact than any individual one (especially Russia or China) would benefit massively from exposing the ‘lie’ that has led western governments to take extreme measures against their own people.

Sounds more like desperate conspiracy thirsting when you can deny the stupidity of believing such rubbish.

Note, I’m not even commenting on whether the response to Covid is proportional or not - but sheer overreaction through incompetence (if you do believe they overreacted) is far more likely than some loony NWO BS.



and your answer demonstrates perfectly why the elite can do exactly whatever the fuck they like, have been doing and will continue to do so.

cos it's just some wild conspiracy BS



That’s a none response. None of the reasons why it is so unlikely to be true are addressed. So you do believe Russia, China, the USA and EU at al are all working in unison on this?
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Post by Tommy Monk Fri Nov 26, 2021 8:32 am

Vintage wrote:I don't know much about figures anything can be proved or disproven with them.
I can only go on my experiences, if you don't believe me so be it.
I don't know where all those extra bodies came from or went if the figures are the same for the years prior to covid I only know something I haven't experienced before even in bad flu years, morgues were full hence the overflow facilities, I know undertakers were at full stretch and crematoriums and cemeteries were adding extra bookings to their usual tally, so maybe you could explain it to me, I was just there, what do I know. If this is some huge conspiracy with every world government involved maybe they were busy knocking off illegals and the homeless to fill the body bags to keep up the pretence.



Like I said... It's probably due to the lockdowns etc and there were less funerals taking place so nowhere for the bodies to go so they just built up in the morgues ..

Or some other lockdown related issue whereby the bodies were just not being cleared to be released from the morgues because of othersorts of staff shortages, lots of people were forced to self isolate etc too...





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Post by Tommy Monk Fri Nov 26, 2021 8:34 am


I've posted the monthly death rates for England and Wales...


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Post by Tommy Monk Fri Nov 26, 2021 8:47 am

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Monthly death rates England and Wales...


May 21 37,864
Apr 21 41,513
Mar 21 48,624
Feb 21 58,767
Jan 21 73,315
Dec 20 56,614
Nov 20 51,330
Oct 20 46,296
Sep 20 42,500
Aug 20 37,187
Jul 20 40,780
Jun 20 42,624
May 20 52,374
Apr 20 88,153
Mar 20 49,723
Feb 20 43,653
Jan 20 56,706
Dec 19 47,469
Nov 19 45,219
Oct 19 46,240
Sep19 40,012
Aug 19 38,843
Jul 19 42,305
Jun 19 38,606
May 19 44,388
Apr 19 44,123
Mar 19 43,946
Feb 19 45,796
Jan 19 53,910
Dec 18 41,539
Nov 18 43,978
Oct 18 44,440
Sep 18 37,137
Aug 18 40,192
Jul 18 40,723
Jun 18 39,767
May 18 42,784
Apr 18 46,469
Mar 18 51,229
Feb 18 49,177
Jan 18 64,154
Dec 17 45,129
Nov 17 45,580
Oct 17 43,597
Sep 17 40,095
Aug 17 41,074
Jul 17 38,425
Jun 17 42,175
May 17 44,279
Apr 17 39,101
Mar 17 48,664
Feb 17 47,766
Jan 17 57,368
Dec 16 45,555
Nov 16 46,514
Oct 16 40,448
Sep 16 40,367
Aug 16 40,786
Jul 16 38,983
Jun 16 42,012
May 16 41,384
Apr 16 46,856
Mar 16 48,665
Feb 16 46,021
Jan 16 47,457
Dec 15 45,509
Nov 15 41,520
Oct 15 42,232
Sep 15 41,573
Aug 15 36,199
Jul 15 40,512
Jun 15 42,082
May 15 39,343
Apr 15 45,178
Mar 15 47,895
Feb 15 46,721
Jan 15 60,891


https://www.statista.com/statistics/1115077/monthly-deaths-in-england-and-wales/


The figures for last 2 years are not much different to other years...


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Post by Vintage Fri Nov 26, 2021 7:35 pm

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Vintage wrote:I don't know much about figures anything can be proved or disproven with them.
I can only go on my experiences, if you don't believe me so be it.
I don't know where all those extra bodies came from or went if the figures are the same for the years prior to covid I only know something I haven't experienced before even in bad flu years, morgues were full hence the overflow facilities, I know undertakers were at full stretch and crematoriums and cemeteries were adding extra bookings to their usual tally, so maybe you could explain it to me, I was just there, what do I know. If this is some huge conspiracy with every world government involved maybe they were busy knocking off illegals and the homeless to fill the body bags to keep up the pretence.


so do you work at a morgue?  or an undertakers? or crematorium.  what are your own experiences.

during the autumn of 2020 undertakers were online saying that there had been no increase in business and this was up and down the country.  it is possible that in certain areas there were more deaths, I'm not sure but you would have to be more specific

Undertakers - small town so everyone at least knows of everyone, lost some friends and family to covid. Its possible some areas didn't experience a hike in deaths, I don't know.
There was definitely an increase around here, hospitals were busy morgue were full, undertakers flat out, cemeteries and crems adding a couple of bookings day. I have definitely been a a storage unit quite a few times, have to book a time to go there, very strong security all around and inside.
Definitely been to hospital mortuaries with new mortuary storage units attached to the usual one, one with 300 capacity and at a bigger hospital 500 capacity. Could be they are like the Nightingales or the government knows something we don't - yet.

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It was mentioned on LBC earlier how Australian military are going in and rounding up aboriginal people and forcibly injecting them and their children.


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Post by Vintage Sun Nov 28, 2021 10:37 pm

You said there were less funerals taking place, what do you base that on?
Do you work in a morgue or undertakers ?
Are you telling me I have have experienced some conspiracy?
Where did the bodies I have seen come from in the storage centres elaborate con?
Were all the people working in the hospital morgues and the storage centres in on it or if not how did some dark entity manage to convince them to go along with it or manage to make it look real even to them as well?
This must be an even better conspiracy than the moon landings the numbers involved are staggering, to keep all them quiet is some feat - the entire world's governments and all the minions working in health and the funeral industries. Who were all those bodies buried in mass graves and huge cemeteries around the world - empty body bags maybe, sacrificing down and outs, druggies, illegal immigrants and the homeless maybe?
maybe.

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Post by Tommy Monk Mon Nov 29, 2021 1:18 am




I said maybe there were less happening because of lockdowns etc... Or maybe less staff available to document and release bodies because of absences due to illness or self isolations etc...


However I did post up monthly death figures over last 5 years and last 2 have been pretty much in line with previous 3 years... Apart from a couple of months or so.


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Post by gelico Mon Nov 29, 2021 1:47 am

Vintage wrote:You said there were less funerals taking place, what do you base that on?
Do you work in a morgue or undertakers ?
Are you telling me I have have experienced some conspiracy?
Where did the bodies I have seen come from in the storage centres elaborate con?
Were all the people working in the hospital morgues and the storage centres in on it or if not how did some dark entity manage to convince them to go along with it or manage to make it look real even to them as well?
This must be an even better conspiracy than the moon landings the numbers involved are staggering, to keep all them quiet is some feat - the entire world's governments and all the minions working in health and the funeral industries. Who were all those bodies buried in mass graves and huge cemeteries around the world - empty body bags maybe, sacrificing down and outs, druggies, illegal immigrants and the homeless maybe?
maybe.


vintage, i don't know what area you are in but this latest video is by an undertaker who lives in Milton Keynes.

This is the most horrifying thing i've heard to date


https://rumble.com/vmlz42-funeral-director-john-olooney-blows-the-whistle-on-covid.html

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Wow!


That is shocking stuff Gelico!


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Post by gelico Mon Nov 29, 2021 3:21 pm

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Wow!


That is shocking stuff Gelico!




Isn't it?


Are you on Twitter at all? Do you have any kind of voice?

i'm retweeting it but literally have about 300 followers but i've RTd to LBC and Daily Mail but it will be ignored, I think.

So many people STILL have their eyes wide shut to all this

even now,,,,

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No, I'm not on any social media... Only post here.


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Post by Syl Mon Nov 29, 2021 6:33 pm

Are you two trying to turn this into an anti-vax forum?

Link after link of scaremongering, conspiracy theory threads posted by Gels...realms of false figures quoted by Tommy.

Gels latest link...the aptly named Looney bloke, doesn't believe people were/are  dying of Covid, but certainly dresses to protect himself ,whilst trying to tell others it's all a conspiracy. Rolling Eyes

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Post by Tommy Monk Tue Nov 30, 2021 2:42 am




I don't post false figures... And the guy in gelicos link said he did some sort of interview for the BBC early on last year, and was told by them to wear all the hazmat style PPE by them and was basically told what to say too.


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Post by Tommy Monk Tue Nov 30, 2021 4:00 am




https://www.bmj.com/content/374/bmj.n2128/rr-11



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Post by Tommy Monk Tue Nov 30, 2021 1:19 pm




And here's the original BBC article that the funeral director was in...


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-52193244


Where it was said that bodies will pile up in morgues because lots of people wouldn't have the money to instruct the funeral of their deceased family member because of lockdown.


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Post by gelico Wed Dec 01, 2021 11:07 pm



World Health Organisation whistleblower, Dr. Astrid Stuckelberger


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5r4B4G2s_Bg

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Mmmm interesting!


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