15 year old attacked by teenage gang with knives and possibly a gun and murdered in the street in broad daylight

A 15-year-old boy has died after being attacked in a residential street by a group of youths "armed with knives".

Police said Keon Lincoln was "set upon" at about 15:30 GMT on Thursday on Linwood Road, in Handsworth, Birmingham, and died later in hospital.

The attackers fled in a car which crashed into a house a short distance away, added police, who say they have since seized the vehicle.

A 14-year-old boy has been arrested on suspicion of murder and is in custody.

The investigation is progressing "at pace", according to the West Midlands force, which detained the suspect on Friday morning.

Witnesses who reported the carrying of knives to officers also said shots were heard.



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-55762203



Labours mass immigration legacy...

Racially motivated?

Don't be a twat quill...

Well, if it's not...just another crime on the Birmingham blotter.

A 15 year old being murdered by a gang of teenagers with knives and guns in broad daylight, a 14 year old so far has been arrested for the murder, has started to become "just another crime" since labour opened the doors to mass immigration of 3rd world scum bags...

Tommy Monk wrote:A 15 year old being murdered by a gang of teenagers with knives and guns in broad daylight, a 14 year old so far has been arrested for the murder, has started to become "just another crime" since labour opened the doors to mass immigration of 3rd world scum bags...

Nothing special about Labour. This happens a dozen times a day in Chicago or south-central LA. It's the impact of poverty.

You keep telling yourself that rubbish...

Tommy Monk wrote:You keep telling yourself that rubbish...

Thank you, I will. I think it's important to recognize the commonality of challenges all over the world.

But it doesn't stop there: urban crime is the progeny of urban conditions. Unless we recognize and change the precedent conditions, we won't recognize and change the results.

Bullshit!

Tommy Monk wrote:Bullshit!

Ignorance is short-term bliss.

Two young lives ruined, one...forever.

The source doesn't mention anything about immigrants, but even if everyone involved in the story was an immigrant, I have to ask this -- is closing the borders going to end murder in the UK?

Original Quill wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:Bullshit!

Ignorance is short-term bliss.

When labour started the mass immigration of 3rd scum bags in 1997, first they denied it, then they tried calling everyone racist for questioning it, then they told us that they were all "highly skilled, hard-working and we'll needed"...

Tommy Monk wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:Bullshit!

Ignorance is short-term bliss.

When labour started the mass immigration of 3rd scum bags in 1997, first they denied it, then they tried calling everyone racist for questioning it, then they told us that they were all "highly skilled, hard-working and we'll needed"...

When really, they were trying to exterminate the white race, right?

Tommy Monk wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Ignorance is short-term bliss.

When labour started the mass immigration of 3rd scum bags in 1997, first they denied it, then they tried calling everyone racist for questioning it, then they told us that they were all "highly skilled, hard-working and we'll needed"...

I don't think the three things are mutually exclusive, or even wrong. One, I don't think Labour is responsible. Two, a lot of spontaneous racism arose toward those Packi-shrimps, it is true. And three, some of the immigrants are highly skilled and hard working, and a contribution to the British economy.

I've heard all of those arguments, and they don't flow from the Labour Party. They flow, in response, from the xenophobic conversation on the other side.

Yeah, I don't think immigration causes crime at all. Most immigrants are worried about getting kicked out if they step out of line and are pretty law-abiding.

Of course, teenagers in the UK are more likely to have been born here, so we're not really talking about immigrants at all.

We have a shit ton of Eastern Europeans where I work and most of them are bloody hard-working!

Teenage kids of labours 3rd world mass of immigrants...


Quil tries to say it's because they are poor... But labour told us that all these 3rd world immigrants were "highly skilled hard-working and well needed"...


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1249797/Labour-threw-open-doors-mass-migration-secret-plot-make-multicultural-UK.html


https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Andrew_Neather


https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/648008/Tony-Blair-Labour-immigration-asylum-seekers-UK-Brexit-EU-referendum

Tommy Monk wrote:Teenage kids of labours 3rd world mass of immigrants...

Quil tries to say it's because they are poor... But labour told us that all these 3rd world immigrants were "highly skilled hard-working and well needed"...

You didn't need Labour to tell you that. Immigrants are "highly skilled hard-working and well needed".

Also, most crime is linked to poverty. According to The Handbook of Crime Correlates (2009), the causes of crime--Race, ethnicity and immigration; Socioeconomic factors; Early Life; and Parent/child relationships--all link in one way or another to economics. Poverty is one end of the economic scale.

Obviously some will be "highly skilled hard-working and well needed"... But there wouldn't be the vast majority of them and their offspring making up such a huge as disproportionate number responsible for such high level of serious crime here, which you claim is all down to poverty, would there...? If the original claim that they are all "highly skilled hard-working and well needed" was true...!?

There's no "high level of crime" associated with immigrants. For the most part, they are all decent citizens.

Bollocks!!!


You are in denial!!!

Tommy Monk wrote:Bollocks!!!

You are in denial!!!

No...you make stuff up.

Original Quill wrote:There's no "high level of crime" associated with immigrants.  For the most part, they are all decent citizens.

There is a lot of crime amongst black youngsters here, knife crimes, drugs, shootings. We don't have a lot of gun crime but the chances are if someone is shot it'll be black on black.
There are millions of decent hard working blacks and ethnics here, but it's silly to suggest people are making stuff up by pointing the bad stuff out.

Unfortunately Tommy does seem a bit blinkered when he reports on violent crime.

Syl wrote:

Original Quill wrote:There's no "high level of crime" associated with immigrants. For the most part, they are all decent citizens.

There is a lot of crime amongst black youngsters here, knife crimes, drugs, shootings. We don't have a lot of gun crime but the chances are if someone is shot it'll be black on black.
There are millions of decent hard working blacks and ethnics here, but it's silly to suggest people are making stuff up by pointing the bad stuff out.

Unfortunately Tommy does seem a bit blinkered when he reports on violent crime.

No one is suggesting that people are making stuff up. It is unfortunate that Tommy shoots off without substantiation, or generalizes from specifics, as we could have a real conversation if there weren't so many flaws in the predicate post. Because I think there could be a real debate there.

Were we able to get beyond all the bullshit, we might have a real discussion about what is wrong with black skin, or why do certain Brits want to keep Britain white? (WTF…you never had slavery.) We are having those sorts of discussions over in the US, but the situation is so much graver over here. It's like, in Britain it's a tea party discussion...over here, it's for real, and murder of blacks by police (or, in the south, virtually anyone who is white) is a real problem. We just had an insurrection by white supremacists over the issue.

So, if in Britain it's just a tea party chat, I’d rather not see it get worse, like here.

Original Quill wrote:

Syl wrote:

There is a lot of crime amongst black youngsters here, knife crimes, drugs, shootings. We don't have a lot of gun crime but the chances are if someone is shot it'll be black on black.
There are millions of decent hard working  blacks and ethnics here, but it's silly to suggest people are making stuff up by pointing the bad stuff out.

Unfortunately Tommy does seem a bit blinkered when he reports on violent crime.

No one is suggesting that people are making stuff up.  It is unfortunate that Tommy shoots off without substantiation, or generalizes from specifics, as we could have a real conversation if there weren't so many flaws in the predicate post.  Because I think there could be a real debate there.

Were we able to get beyond all the bullshit, we might have a real discussion about what is wrong with black skin, or why do certain Brits want to keep Britain white?  (WTF…you never had slavery.)  We are having those sorts of discussions over in the US, but the situation is so much graver over here.  It's like, in Britain it's a tea party discussion...over here, it's for real, and murder of blacks by police (or, in the south, virtually anyone who is white) is a real problem.  We just had an insurrection by white supremacists over the issue.

So, if in Britain it's just a tea party chat, I’d rather not see it get worse, like here.

Actually in this thread you did reply  to Tommy ...."No...you make stuff up. "

My opinion is you and Tommy will never 'get beyond the bullshit' because you both have an agenda.
Him to blame the blacks for everything you to blame the whites, and never the twain shall meet.

We take racism seriously in the UK, I dont live in the US, but Ben, Maddog and yourself all give different views re racism and what you have all seen and experienced in your country.
A very small extremist minority want to 'Keep Britain White', and they are usually treated with contempt by the vast majority of people here.
No one is saying a more subtle form of racism doesn't still exist for some here, it does, and it works both ways.
From what I see racism now is more culturally driven than colour driven.

Syl wrote:Actually in this thread you did reply to Tommy ...."No...you make stuff up.

Yes, but that's Tommy. I'm speaking of the general tenor of the conversation.

Tommy has an idiosyncratic tendency to say things without substantiation generally. However, that is not to say that there are not valid and reasonable cases out there.

Syl wrote:We take racism seriously in the UK, I dont live in the US, but Ben, Maddog and yourself all give different views re racism and what you have all seen and experienced in your country.

Yes, but we are not of the same country. Ben and Red are southerners, and while Ben is more liberal, he shares the common white man's belief that it's all in the past. It is not. You've heard me say that the US is two countries, a north and a south. Perhaps, finally, you will believe me. The southerners, you were able to witness at Charlottesville on August 12, 2017, and at the US Capitol insurrection on 1/6 of this year. A true northerner would never behave that way, let alone believe in such causes. You are witnessing the earth crack before your eyes, and you don't see it?

I am simply telling it like it really is. There is a culture out there, to be sure, and that culture pulls blinders over the eyes of people; to wit: everything is great and we've gotten over the last vestiges slavery. That is the cover story. That’s when you don’t want to go to the physician, and so you say meh, it’s getting better. Only, of course, it’s not….it’s festering under the surface, and getting worse.

I'm the small voice out there, calling out the truth...Bullshit, it's not over. We don’t have time to rid America of the disease of racism. What’s it going to take: 200-years? 500-years? We’ve simply got to put them on this island and set them free to go their evil way. Else, they will taint the rest of us.

Syl wrote:A very small extremist minority want to 'Keep Britain White', and they are usually treated with contempt by the vast majority of people here.

No one is saying a more subtle form of racism doesn't still exist for some here, it does, and it works both ways.
From what I see racism now is more culturally driven than colour driven.

As I say, I don't know Britain. I know the US. I can address the standard arguments, down in the trenches, but I don't know the overall tenor of Britain on racism.

Original Quill wrote:

Syl wrote:A very small extremist minority want to 'Keep Britain White', and they are usually treated with contempt by the vast majority of people here.

No one is saying a more subtle form of racism doesn't still exist for some here, it does, and it works both ways.
From what I see racism now is more culturally driven than colour driven.

As I say, I don't know Britain.  I know the US.  I can address the standard arguments, down in the trenches, but I don't know the overall tenor of Britain on racism.

You don't even know the US.

Original Quill wrote:

Syl wrote:We take racism seriously in the UK, I dont live in the US, but Ben, Maddog and yourself all give different views re racism and what you have all seen and experienced in your country.

Yes, but we are not of the same country.  Ben and Red are southerners, and while Ben is more liberal, he shares the common white man's belief that it's all in the past.  It is not.  You've heard me say that the US is two countries, a north and a south.  Perhaps, finally, you will believe me.  The southerners, you were able to witness at Charlottesville on August 12, 2017, and at the US Capitol insurrection on 1/6 of this year.  A true northerner would never behave that way, let alone believe in such causes.  You are witnessing the earth crack before your eyes, and you don't see it?

I am simply telling it like it really is.  There is a culture out there, to be sure, and that culture pulls blinders over the eyes of people; to wit: everything is great and we've gotten over the last vestiges slavery.  That is the cover story.  That’s when you don’t want to go to the physician, and so you say meh, it’s getting better.  Only, of course, it’s not….it’s festering under the surface, and getting worse.

I'm the small voice out there, calling out the truth...Bullshit, it's not over.  We don’t have time to rid America of the disease of racism.  What’s it going to take: 200-years?  500-years?  We’ve simply got to put them on this island and set them free to go their evil way.  Else, they will taint the rest of us.

You are full of shit.

Hopefully people like you that are stuck in the past can find their own island.

Maddog wrote:Hopefully people like you that are stuck in the past can find their own island.

Ahmaud Arbery is in the past?  What about Sandra Bland?  Botham Jean?  Treyvon Martin?  James Byrd, Jr.?

It's going to go on...and on...and on...and on, until we do something decisive to put a stop to it.  Right now is about as good a time as any to realize the truth.

So Quill, what would you really do to put the balance right?

Do you want to pay people for past sufferings, or give them priority over whites to make up for the fact that whites treated them badly a century and a half ago?

Should white people go to the town squares and publicly flagellate themselves for the wrongs their ancestors did?

I just don't see the point of living in the past when it's todays actions are what will make the difference.
Dividing your country into two separate parts like you do in your own mind, is creating more division and racism, something you claim you hate.

Syl wrote:So Quill, what would you really do to put the balance right?

Do you want to pay people for past sufferings, or give them priority over whites to make up for the fact that whites treated them badly a century and a half ago?

Should white people go to the town squares and publicly flagellate themselves for the wrongs their ancestors did?

I just don't see the point of living in the past when it's todays actions are what will make the difference.
Dividing your country into two separate parts like you do in your own mind, is creating more division and racism, something you claim you hate.

He doesn't want the balance right. He wants to use minorities to further his political agenda. They are a handy group of folks to exploit.

Syl wrote:So Quill, what would you really do to put the balance right?

Do you want to pay people for past sufferings, or give them priority over whites to make up for the fact that whites treated them badly a century and a half ago?

Should white people go to the town squares and publicly flagellate themselves for the wrongs their ancestors did?

I just don't see the point of living in the past when it's todays actions are what will make the difference.

Dividing your country into two separate parts like you do in your own mind, is creating more division and racism, something you claim you hate.

No...if they are kicked out, end of the problem. Priority? Reparations? Flagellation? I've been giving you the answer and it doesn't involve any of those things.

I have been telling you this for almost 7-years. Don't you realize...do you see, southerners have been dicking around with us for 170-years. Peomage. Jim Crow laws. Hangings. It's all because of our indulgence of them...they call us snowflakes, and wonder when the fook we'll catch on. Southerners, themselves, believe that we will indulge them forever. Why don't we, just once, surprise them and kick their racist, gun-toting asses out?

I think we missed a great opportunity on 1/6, when they potentially started Civil War II. Pick up the pieces and blow them into the Gulf. That war, if properly pursued, would have lasted two weeks, and saved us 500-years.

Original Quill wrote:

Syl wrote:So Quill, what would you really do to put the balance right?

Do you want to pay people for past sufferings, or give them priority over whites to make up for the fact that whites treated them badly a century and a half ago?

Should white people go to the town squares and publicly flagellate themselves for the wrongs their ancestors did?

I just don't see the point of living in the past when it's todays actions are what will make the difference.

Dividing your country into two separate parts like you do in your own mind, is creating more division and racism, something you claim you hate.

No...if they are kicked out, end of the problem.  Priority?  Reparations?  Flagellation?  I've been giving you the answer and it doesn't involve any of those things.

I have been telling you this for almost 7-years.  Don't you realize...do you see, southerners have been dicking around with us for 170-years.  Peomage.  Jim Crow laws.  Hangings.  It's all because of our indulgence of them...they call us snowflakes, and wonder when the fook we'll catch on.  Southerners, themselves, believe that we will indulge them forever.  Why don't we, just once, surprise them and kick their racist, gun-toting asses out?

I think we missed a great opportunity on 1/6, when they potentially started Civil War II.  Pick up the pieces and blow them into the Gulf.  That war, if properly pursued, would have lasted two weeks, and saved us 500-years.

But you are going back to slavery, hangings, apartheid again, that's all in the past.
If everyone hung onto the past looking backwards instead of looking forwards there could never be unity for any group.

The second part of your posts sounds like a plot for the next Rambo film.

Syl wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

No one is suggesting that people are making stuff up.  It is unfortunate that Tommy shoots off without substantiation, or generalizes from specifics, as we could have a real conversation if there weren't so many flaws in the predicate post.  Because I think there could be a real debate there.

Were we able to get beyond all the bullshit, we might have a real discussion about what is wrong with black skin, or why do certain Brits want to keep Britain white?  (WTF…you never had slavery.)  We are having those sorts of discussions over in the US, but the situation is so much graver over here.  It's like, in Britain it's a tea party discussion...over here, it's for real, and murder of blacks by police (or, in the south, virtually anyone who is white) is a real problem.  We just had an insurrection by white supremacists over the issue.

So, if in Britain it's just a tea party chat, I’d rather not see it get worse, like here.

Actually in this thread you did reply  to Tommy ...."No...you make stuff up. "

My opinion is you and Tommy will never 'get beyond the bullshit' because you both have an agenda.
Him to blame the blacks for everything you to blame the whites, and never the twain shall meet.

We take racism seriously in the UK, I dont live in the US, but Ben, Maddog and yourself all give different views re racism and what you have all seen and experienced in your country.
A very small extremist minority want to 'Keep Britain White', and they are usually treated with contempt by the vast majority of people here.
No one is saying a more subtle form of racism doesn't still exist for some here, it does, and it works both ways.
From what I see racism now is more culturally driven than colour driven.

No, I don't blame Black's for everything, however they are responsible for a huge amount, and labours mass immigration policy facilitated it.


And I don't want to keep Britain white or kick out all non whites etc... I just think immigration has gone way too far...

Original Quill wrote:

Maddog wrote:Hopefully people like you that are stuck in the past can find their own island.

Ahmaud Arbery is in the past?  What about Sandra Bland?  Botham Jean?  Treyvon Martin?  James Byrd, Jr.?

It's going to go on...and on...and on...and on, until we do something decisive to put a stop to it.  Right now is about as good a time as any to realize the truth.

Nothing to do with the op and nothing to do with this thread!

They don't like it when I score a valid and impactful point. It's one more notch in the proof that I'm right.

Tommy Monk wrote:

Syl wrote:

Actually in this thread you did reply  to Tommy ...."No...you make stuff up. "

My opinion is you and Tommy will never 'get beyond the bullshit' because you both have an agenda.
Him to blame the blacks for everything you to blame the whites, and never the twain shall meet.

We take racism seriously in the UK, I dont live  in the US, but Ben, Maddog and yourself all give different views re racism and what you have all seen and experienced in your country.
A very small extremist minority want to 'Keep Britain White', and they are usually treated with contempt by the vast majority of people here.
No one is saying a more subtle form of racism doesn't still exist for some here,  it does, and it works both ways.
From what I see racism now is more culturally driven than colour driven.

No, I don't blame Black's for everything, however they are responsible for a huge amount, and labours mass immigration policy facilitated it.


And I don't want to keep Britain white or kick out all non whites etc... I just think immigration has gone way too far...

I agree with some of your points re immigration and black crime in the UK, but I also think you do single out a lot of black crimes ignoring the many white criminals....just my opinion.

Nobody downplays the crime by white Brits...

White men killed by police in US 2019 -2020 in similar circumstances to the black men, anyone know.

The media don't focus on any of that...

Vintage wrote:White men killed by police in US 2019 -2020  in similar circumstances to the black men, anyone know.

About 60% of those folks killed are white males.

The biggest problem is males of any stripe. American police are very sexist as well over 90% of the victims are innocent males. That's the only explanation for the higher number of dead men.

But again... The media don't mention any of that... And nobody cares enough to start some sort of "male lives matter" protest/movement...


Racism and sexism against white males, and truth, doesn't matter at all to the brainwashed lefty/liberal agenda driven masses...

The highest levels of inequality in mortality risk are experienced by black men. Black men are about 2.5 times more likely to be killed by police over the life course than are white men. Black women are about 1.4 times more likely to be killed by police than are white women.

Latino men are between 1.3 and 1.4 times more likely to be killed by police than are white men.

https://www.pnas.org/content/116/34/16793

Original Quill wrote:

The highest levels of inequality in mortality risk are experienced by black men. Black men are about 2.5 times more likely to be killed by police over the life course than are white men. Black women are about 1.4 times more likely to be killed by police than are white women.

Latino men are between 1.3 and 1.4 times more likely to be killed by police than are white men.

https://www.pnas.org/content/116/34/16793

Why is it always the men?

Why don't the police shoot women?

Syl wrote:So Quill, what would you really do to put the balance right?

Do you want to pay people for past sufferings, or give them priority over whites to make up for the fact that whites treated them badly a century and a half ago?

Should white people go to the town squares and publicly flagellate themselves for the wrongs their ancestors did?

I just don't see the point of living in the past when it's todays actions are what will make the difference.
Dividing your country into two separate parts like you do in your own mind, is creating more division and racism, something you claim you hate.

I'd like to be compensated from 1986 when Ray Plinkerton in Planning and Liquor Licensing pinched my arse so hard it left a bruise, the sexist pig! A claim against all those ghastly common workmen who whistled and jeered at me every time I tottered past on my stilettoes at lunchtime. And if I had a pound for every flasher who flashed his tinkywinkleton at me as a kid, I've be rubbing shoulders with Harry and Meghan by now.

HoratioTarr wrote:

Syl wrote:So Quill, what would you really do to put the balance right?

Do you want to pay people for past sufferings, or give them priority over whites to make up for the fact that whites treated them badly a century and a half ago?

Should white people go to the town squares and publicly flagellate themselves for the wrongs their ancestors did?

I just don't see the point of living in the past when it's todays actions are what will make the difference.
Dividing your country into two separate parts like you do in your own mind, is creating more division and racism, something you claim you hate.

I'd like to be compensated from 1986 when Ray Plinkerton in Planning and Liquor Licensing pinched my arse so hard it left a bruise, the sexist pig!   A claim against all those ghastly common workmen who whistled and jeered at me every time I tottered past on my stilettoes at lunchtime.  And if I had a pound for every flasher who flashed his tinkywinkleton at me as a kid, I've be rubbing shoulders with Harry and Meghan by now.

You're doing this wrong. You want to hold the people that actually harmed you responsible. You're supposed to go after folks that had nothing to do with it. Then guilt them into feeling responsible.

HoratioTarr wrote:

Syl wrote:So Quill, what would you really do to put the balance right?

Do you want to pay people for past sufferings, or give them priority over whites to make up for the fact that whites treated them badly a century and a half ago?

Should white people go to the town squares and publicly flagellate themselves for the wrongs their ancestors did?

I just don't see the point of living in the past when it's todays actions are what will make the difference.
Dividing your country into two separate parts like you do in your own mind, is creating more division and racism, something you claim you hate.

I'd like to be compensated from 1986 when Ray Plinkerton in Planning and Liquor Licensing pinched my arse so hard it left a bruise, the sexist pig!   A claim against all those ghastly common workmen who whistled and jeered at me every time I tottered past on my stilettoes at lunchtime.  And if I had a pound for every flasher who flashed his tinkywinkleton at me as a kid, I've be rubbing shoulders with Harry and Meghan by now.

I would only have £2.

One for when a really weird old man exposed himself and swung his  horrible flacid willy around as he walked towards me.
I was only a kid , and as i grew up in an all female household it was quite disturbing.

The second was some weirdo in Spain, he kept pulling his car up  and masturbating as I walked past. That one didn't bother me as much.