Madeleine McCann......new suspect.

13 years on, have the police at last found the little girls abductor?



"MADELEINE McCann's paedo suspect told a pal he snatched the toddler on the tenth anniversary of her disappearance, it is claimed.
Christian B, 43, has today been unmasked as the prime suspect in the youngster's disappearance in Praia da Luz, Portugal in May 2007, in a bombshell breakthrough."

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11782962/maddie-mccann-suspect-confession-bar-disappearance/

Should finally shut up all those forum trolls who endlessly banged on about how the McCanns killed Maddie and disposed of her body.
And there were plenty of them.

The police have been looking into this since 2017... and have found no evidence that he had anything to do with it...

Brutus wrote:Should finally shut up all those forum trolls who endlessly banged on about how the McCanns killed Maddie and disposed of her body.
And there were plenty of them.

There certainly was.

Obviously everyone would cling onto the hope Madeline was still alive...however tenuous that may be, but just knowing what happened that night would surely be some sort of closure for her parents.

Tommy Monk wrote:


The police have been looking into this since 2017... and have found no evidence that he had anything to do with it...

So how come suddenly it's front page news again?
There must be some reason why police in several countries are looking into this.

Tommy Monk wrote:


The police have been looking into this since 2017... and have found no evidence that he had anything to do with it...

And you have proof that they have found no evidence?

Are you working alongside the German police?

Are you disregarding the new evidence they claim to have discovered, or are you just miffed they elected not to share it with you.

Do you hold the opinion that the McCann's masterminded her death?

There is no evidence of him being involved... and this is after 3 years of police trying to find evidence to link him to it...


A year ago the UK govt announced that they would extend funding for only one more year of investigation into her disappearance...


Now this time is up... and all of a sudden the police team announce this 3 year old red herring as a new breakthrough... Clearly just an attempt to try to secure a bit more funding...

Tommy Monk wrote:


There is no evidence of him being involved... and this is after 3 years of police trying to find evidence to link him to it...


A year ago the UK govt announced that they would extend funding for only one more year of investigation into her disappearance...


Now this time is up... and all of a sudden the police team announce this 3 year old red herring as a new breakthrough... Clearly just an attempt to try to secure a bit more funding...

What you mean is YOU don't have the same information as the German police.
If you ask them nicely, Perhaps they will share it with you..

They don't always share it with conspiracy driven forum geeks.
You must be very disappointed that the McCanns are being exonerated from the murder.
And it has nothing to do with funding for the British police I investigation.
This was wholly the work of, and atvrhe expense of the German police.
At least they were co-operative before Brexit.
Mag not be so obliging next year.

somebody somewhere must surely know that phone number that was mentioned

it could hold the key to it all

Another suspect. Never known a case where there were so many suspects!

gelico wrote:

somebody somewhere must surely know that phone number that was mentioned

it could hold the key to it all

I'm really intrigued to find out more about that 30-minute call. I hope more is revealed.

Brutus wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:


There is no evidence of him being involved... and this is after 3 years of police trying to find evidence to link him to it...


A year ago the UK govt announced that they would extend funding for only one more year of investigation into her disappearance...


Now this time is up... and all of a sudden the police team announce this 3 year old red herring as a new breakthrough... Clearly just an attempt to try to secure a bit more funding...

What you mean is YOU don't have the same information as the German police.
If you ask them nicely, Perhaps they will share it with you..

They don't always share it with conspiracy driven forum geeks.
You must be very disappointed that the McCanns are being exonerated from the murder.
And it has nothing to do with funding for the British police I investigation.
This was wholly the work of, and atvrhe expense of the German police.
At least they were co-operative before Brexit.
Mag not be so obliging next year.

The details were on BBC news earlier this evening...


And it was clear that there is no evidence of any involvement...


This is after 3 years of police looking into his possible involvement... and finding nothing to link him to it... In fact, the absence of any trace of his DNA anywhere at the scene, strongly suggests that he was never there...





A year ago the govt said they would find another year... Because it was claimed that there could be a nearby breakthrough...



"...Home Office 'tells Met Police it will fund hunt for Madeleine McCann for another year' in investigation that has already cost nearly £12million

By Lara Keay For Mailonline 15:28, 05 Jun 2019 , updated 20:53, 05 Jun 2019..."




And now almost an exact year to the day... this "new breakthrough" is announced and also the subsequent claim that even more money is now needed to carry on with it some more...!


Again...


Seems that every time this case is set to be closed down... The investigating team wheel out the possibility of a new breakthrough and the need for a load more money to keep it going for a while longer...

And Brutus you prick... Do you really think that Brexit would have any effect on other nations wanting to cooperate, or not, with the arrest and prosecution of child abusers/murderers...!!!???


You really are a total bell end!!!

Tommy, I seem to recall that they found no DNA from anyone in that room that wasn’t expected to be there, ie family, tapas 5 etc.

That was always the sticking point in debates. No unanswered DNA.

The thing with DNA is like this...


We are all shedding DNA all the time... wherever you go and (especially) whatever you touch, you are leaving plenty of your DNA there...


Your DNA could well be found at a crime scene without you even having been there at all... For example, you could have been on a bus to somewhere, and after having left the bus, somebody else could have got on the bus and picked up your DNA from touching something you've touched or sitting where you sat, and then they could have gone on to commit a crime somewhere else and could have left traces of your DNA and/or fibers from your clothing at that place of crime...


The presence of your DNA at the scene is no proof of guilt, on its own... Plus the fact that there will most certainly be a shit load more of the actual perpetrators DNA evident at the scene, although even that won't be proof of guilt on its own either... All that shows is that there was some sort of contact between the individuals and the crime scene in some way, prior to (or very soon after) the crime being committed... So all are extremely high priority of investigation to establish how/why DNA is present at scene, and who had involvement in the crime etc... As it will be almost impossible for the perpetrator to have committed the crime without leaving any DNA evidence at the scene...


So... Just to clarify... It will be almost impossible for someone to commit a serious crime without leaving their DNA at the scene in abundant amounts...


So... While someone's DNA may be found at a crime scene, this is not a guarantee of guilt...


The absence of someone's DNA at a crime scene would strongly suggest that the person had no involvement at all...!

There is no DNA evidence of this German man anywhere...

Tommy Monk wrote:


The thing with DNA is like this...


We are all shedding DNA all the time... wherever you go and (especially) whatever you touch, you are leaving plenty of your DNA there...


Your DNA could well be found at a crime scene without you even having been there at all... For example, you could have been on a bus to somewhere, and after having left the bus, somebody else could have got on the bus and picked up your DNA from touching something you've touched or sitting where you sat, and then they could have gone on to commit a crime somewhere else and could have left traces of your DNA and/or fibers from your clothing at that place of crime...


The presence of your DNA at the scene is no proof of guilt, on its own... Plus the fact that there will most certainly be a shit load more of the actual perpetrators DNA evident at the scene, although even that won't be proof of guilt on its own either... All that shows is that there was some sort of contact between the individuals and the crime scene in some way, prior to (or very soon after) the crime being committed... So all are extremely high priority of investigation to establish how/why DNA is present at scene, and who had involvement in the crime etc... As it will be almost impossible for the perpetrator to have committed the crime without leaving any DNA evidence at the scene...


So... Just to clarify... It will be almost impossible for someone to commit a serious crime without leaving their DNA at the scene in abundant amounts...


So... While someone's DNA may be found at a crime scene, this is not a guarantee of guilt...


The absence of someone's DNA at a crime scene would strongly suggest that the person had no involvement at all...!

Makes sense to me.

Tommy Monk wrote:


The thing with DNA is like this...


We are all shedding DNA all the time... wherever you go and (especially) whatever you touch, you are leaving plenty of your DNA there...






The absence of someone's DNA at a crime scene would strongly suggest that the person had no involvement at all...!

not necessarily, what if he's in and out in seconds and has gloves on and hair tied back or short hair and skin covered.

no DNA at the crime scene doesn't strongly suggest no involvement, it merely suggests no DNA left

I was actually thinking the same thing, gels -- it's possible to not leave DNA at a crime scene, for a determined criminal.

But then I thought that this suspect has been done for so many other crimes, he doesn't strike me as the sort of criminal mastermind who'd manage to pull that off

Was just going to add, DNA evidence doesn't last forever -- it could be useless within a week if the crime scene is corrupted, which is what I always heard about this particular crime scene. I'm no expert on this case, though.

gelico wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:


The thing with DNA is like this...


We are all shedding DNA all the time... wherever you go and (especially) whatever you touch, you are leaving plenty of your DNA there...






The absence of someone's DNA at a crime scene would strongly suggest that the person had no involvement at all...!

not necessarily, what if he's in and out in seconds and has gloves on and hair tied back or short hair and skin covered.

no DNA at the crime scene doesn't strongly suggest no involvement, it merely suggests no DNA left

That is exactly what I was going to say.

I also remember that the apartment the McCanns were in was not treated as a crime scene straight away, the area was not blocked off straight away, lots of mistakes were made by the portugese police from the start.

gelico wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:


The thing with DNA is like this...


We are all shedding DNA all the time... wherever you go and (especially) whatever you touch, you are leaving plenty of your DNA there...






The absence of someone's DNA at a crime scene would strongly suggest that the person had no involvement at all...!

not necessarily, what if he's in and out in seconds and has gloves on and hair tied back or short hair and skin covered.

no DNA at the crime scene doesn't strongly suggest no involvement, it merely suggests no DNA left

He would have to also be wearing an invisibility cloak and be able to levitate throughout the apartment... As well as being able to scoop up a sleeping child without leaving any trace of DNA/fibers, and run off with her without her waking up and crying out in extreme distress and her raising the alarm...



There is already a much more likely scenario... Backed up by all the huge amount of available and very compelling evidence...

Syl wrote:

gelico wrote:


not necessarily, what if he's in and out in seconds and has gloves on and hair tied back or short hair and skin covered.

no DNA at the crime scene doesn't strongly suggest no involvement, it merely suggests no DNA left

That is exactly what I was going to say.

I also remember that the apartment the McCanns were in was not treated as a crime scene straight away, the area was not blocked off straight away, lots of mistakes were made by the portugese police from the start.

The errors may well have allowed the guilty to wriggle free... by creating an element of doubt on to the otherwise conclusive evidence that WAS found... But will not be any cause to place an innocent person at the scene of the crime...

Tommy Monk wrote:

Syl wrote:
That is exactly what I was going to say.

I also remember that the apartment the McCanns were in was not treated as a crime scene straight away, the area was not blocked off straight away, lots of mistakes were made by the portugese police from the start.

The errors may well have allowed the guilty to wriggle free... by creating an element of doubt on to the otherwise conclusive evidence that WAS found... But will not be any cause to place an innocent person at the scene of the crime...

What conclusive evidence was found in the apartment?
It seemed to me at the time that the Portugese police were running round in circles without gatheringe any conclusive evidence.

All the available evidence points in the same direction...


There were a few "technical" errors early on that allowed enough of the element of doubt to apply, which gave enough wriggle room for the prime suspects to avoid trial...

Ben Reilly wrote:I was actually thinking the same thing, gels -- it's possible to not leave DNA at a crime scene, for a determined criminal.

But then I thought that this suspect has been done for so many other crimes, he doesn't strike me as the sort of criminal mastermind who'd manage to pull that off

Was just going to add, DNA evidence doesn't last forever -- it could be useless within a week if the crime scene is corrupted, which is what I always heard about this particular crime scene. I'm no expert on this case, though.

I'll say again... a bit of possible cross contamination at the crime scene here, does not implicate this German bloke at all, as his DNA was never found anywhere at the scene or anywhere else in the vicinity...



And in ref to the bit highlighted... Consider what you've just said in relation to the Steven Laurence case... He was bundled and stabbed by a gang of 3-4 people... And none of the DNA of those suspected of doing this was found on his clothes, and none of his DNA was found on any of their clothes... Until years later when a couple of specs were "discovered" after many instances of likely cross contaminations from clothes being bagged up together and handled together during examinations etc...

If they had not left 3 young kids alone none of this would have happened in the first place !

If they had not left 3 young kids alone none of this would have happened in the first place !

Syl wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:




The errors may well have allowed the guilty to wriggle free... by creating an element of doubt on to the otherwise conclusive evidence that WAS found... But will not be any cause to place an innocent person at the scene of the crime...

What conclusive evidence was found in the apartment?
It seemed to me at the time that the Portugese police were running round in circles without gatheringe any conclusive evidence.

Didn’t the U.K. police send Cadaver dogs in there apartment, months if
not years after. The report said both dogs reacted from the blood
from the back of the sofa and the wardrobe. The other dog who was trained
for death and had the same reaction from both places.

But you are correct Syl, the Portuguese police fucked up big style
and lost a ton of evidence.

nicko wrote: If they had not left 3 young kids alone none of this would have happened in the first place !

Correct Nicko.
It was way to far from the apartment!

They were guilty of neglect by leaving her without adult supervision, that's never been denied, but the person who took her is guilty of her disappearance, and probably her murder.

Personally, I have always felt incredibly sad for the McCanns, it must be very hard to live with that sort of guilt. They have deserved criticism for going out enjoying themselves at the expense of their babies well being, but to live with accusations that they actually murdered her must make losing her 100 times harder to bear.

I feel sad for the McCanns , having to live with it.
I feel sad for little Maddie, probably dead.
I also feel sorry for trolls who have spent years dedicating their sorry lives to try to pin the murder on the McCanns, when it is clear they were only guilty of negligently leaving their kids alone.

Brutus wrote:I feel sad for the McCanns , having to live with it.
I feel sad for little Maddie, probably dead.
I also feel sorry for trolls who have spent years dedicating their sorry lives to try to pin the murder on the McCanns, when it is clear they were only guilty of negligently leaving their kids alone.

I do agree.
And every time (and there have been lots of times) the story of Madeleine resurfaces when a possible new suspect is mentioned, they are accused over and over again of being the ones who killed her.
How comforting it would be for them to actually know what happened that night, let's see what happens with this latest suspect.


https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/madeleine-mccann-suspect-could-be-out-of-jail-in-days-police-fear-german-rapist-may-be-given-parole-as-they-hunt-for-his-kosovan-underage-ex-girlfriend-and-focus-on-portuguese-farmhouse-they-shared/ar-BB154ptG?ocid=spartandhp

Brutus wrote:I feel sad for the McCanns , having to live with it.
I feel sad for little Maddie, probably dead.
I also feel sorry for trolls who have spent years dedicating their sorry lives to try to pin the murder on the McCanns, when it is clear they were only guilty of negligently leaving their kids alone.

I feel sad for little Maddie.
But I do feel that the parents were wrong to leave their
Children alone, no matter how many times they went back
to check.

Star24 wrote:

nicko wrote: If they had not left 3 young kids alone none of this would have happened in the first place !

Correct Nicko.
It was way to far from the apartment!

Especially in a foreign country.

And they got away with it .leaving 3 Children on their own while they enjoyed a Meal !

I had a similar experience in Mexico. We (mom, 1-yr. daughter and I) went into a small restaurant. The mamacita came out of the kitchen and grabbed my daughter, Que linda, que linda, then she said she wanted to show my daughter off to the kitchen "girls".

I was on her like a hawk. Let my child out of sight, in a foreign country??? That's lunacy. Yet the McCanns did it deliberately. And they are educated people!

I don't know about parenting skills in other countries, but believe me, many British parents have left their children alone at night on holiday, either in hotels or in apartments.
I know lots of them myself, good parents in the daytime, yet they consider it OK to tuck their kids up in bed and go down or out to a restaurant at night.

I actually used to work at a holiday camp where one of the jobs was to go and listen in at the doors of the chalets to check if any child was crying inside.
If all was quiet all was considered well.

Crazy but true.

Star24 wrote:

Syl wrote:
What conclusive evidence was found in the apartment?
It seemed to me at the time that the Portugese police were running round in circles without gatheringe any conclusive evidence.

Didn’t the U.K. police send Cadaver dogs in there apartment, months if
not years after. The report said both dogs reacted from the blood
from the back of the sofa and the wardrobe. The other dog who was trained
for death and had the same reaction from both places.

But you are correct Syl, the Portuguese police fucked up big style
and lost a ton of evidence.

The dog that was trained to detect death, indicated all over the apartment... Plus the hire car that wasn't hired until couple weeks after girl disappeared... Plus on McCann's clothes.


Bodily fluids were also detected in boot of car...


You can see a video of dogs in action on YouTube... One of dogs was called keela...


And if you haven't read it yet... The truth behind the lie is the name of the book written by the Portuguese detective...

Tommy Monk wrote:

Star24 wrote:

Didn’t the U.K. police send Cadaver dogs in there apartment, months if
not years after. The report said both dogs reacted from the blood
from the back of the sofa and the wardrobe. The other dog who was trained
for death and had the same reaction from both places.

But you are correct Syl, the Portuguese police fucked up big style
and lost a ton of evidence.

The dog that was trained to detect death, indicated all over the apartment... Plus the hire car that wasn't hired until couple weeks after girl disappeared... Plus on McCann's clothes.  


Bodily fluids were also detected in boot of car...


You can see a video of dogs in action on YouTube... One of dogs was called keela...


And if you haven't read it yet... The truth behind the lie is the name of the book written by the Portuguese detective...

Is that the detective that was sacked from leading the McCann case in Portugal, the one who has made a fortune from flogging his book and DVD's targeting the parents of Madeleine and the British police?
He has swapped and changed his story around considerably recently.

For eg......"In May, he claimed Maddie could have been abducted by a paedo who was close to her family without them ever knowing."

and...

"He said on Australian TV show Sunday Night that MI5 "for sure had an involvement" either by helping to hide Maddie's body or covering up the alleged crime."

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2751442/goncalo-amaral-madeleine-mccann-kate-gerry/

Even the British detectives thought they'd done it... And the dogs don't lie...

Tommy Monk wrote:

Star24 wrote:

Didn’t the U.K. police send Cadaver dogs in there apartment, months if
not years after. The report said both dogs reacted from the blood
from the back of the sofa and the wardrobe. The other dog who was trained
for death and had the same reaction from both places.

But you are correct Syl, the Portuguese police fucked up big style
and lost a ton of evidence.

The dog that was trained to detect death, indicated all over the apartment... Plus the hire car that wasn't hired until couple weeks after girl disappeared... Plus on McCann's clothes.  


Bodily fluids were also detected in boot of car...


You can see a video of dogs in action on YouTube... One of dogs was called keela...


And if you haven't read it yet... The truth behind the lie is the name of the book written by the Portuguese detective...

I haven’t read it yet Tommy.
All I saw was the documentary on Netflix, and of course the news
Stories when it happened.

Tommy Monk wrote:


Even the British detectives thought they'd done it... And the dogs don't lie...

I don't think they did think that.

But you must think the McCann's are very clever people if they can fool two police forces and get away with not only murdering their daughter, but disposing of her body without leaving any clues or proof behind that would stand up in a court of law.
Maybe you think they were aided and abetted by M15 too?

I’m bowing out. I studied this case for years and years and was hacked and threatened by someone who knew everything about me. The person told me years later he worked for the McCanns and was sent to take me and the forum I was admin on, down.

I really am not kidding. Harvesmom and Nems were there, they saw it all.

There are so many things that don’t add up but I can’t get into this again. It nearly ruined me all those years ago.

Not kidding.

So, no more from me.

eddie wrote:I’m bowing out. I studied this case for years and years and was hacked and threatened by someone who knew everything about me. The person told me years later he worked for the McCanns and was sent to take me and the forum I was admin on, down.

I really am not kidding. Harvesmom and Nems were there, they saw it all.

There are so many things that don’t add up but I can’t get into this again. It nearly ruined me all those years ago.

Not kidding.

So, no more from me.

Blimey, I dont blame you for not wanting to contribute.
Some people take forum opinion far too seriously, and lets face it, no matter how strongly people may feel about this or any other given subject, all any of us can  offer is our own opinion.

Syl wrote:

eddie wrote:I’m bowing out. I studied this case for years and years and was hacked and threatened by someone who knew everything about me. The person told me years later he worked for the McCanns and was sent to take me and the forum I was admin on, down.

I really am not kidding. Harvesmom and Nems were there, they saw it all.

There are so many things that don’t add up but I can’t get into this again. It nearly ruined me all those years ago.

Not kidding.

So, no more from me.

Blimey, I dont blame you for not wanting to contribute.
Some people take forum opinion far too seriously, and lets face it, no matter how strongly people may feel about this or any other given subject, all any of us can  offer is our own opinion.

Syl, you have NO idea how crazy the McCann forums were back then. It was in the media that the McCanns had spent some of the raised money to get forums shut down.
I always tried to stay fair. That’s all I can say. I was hacked and hounded and threatened.
This person knew my son’s name and the school he went to and my full name and many other things.
I wish harvesmom and Nems were here to back me up. It was awful.

eddie wrote:

Syl wrote:
Blimey, I dont blame you for not wanting to contribute.
Some people take forum opinion far too seriously, and lets face it, no matter how strongly people may feel about this or any other given subject, all any of us can  offer is our own opinion.

Syl, you have NO idea how crazy the McCann forums were back then. It was in the media that the McCanns had spent some of the raised money to get forums shut down.
I always tried to stay fair. That’s all I can say. I was hacked and hounded and threatened.
This person knew my son’s name and the school he went to and my full name and many other things.
I wish harvesmom and Nems were here to back me up. It was awful.

I believe you, there are some nutters on forums.

Syl wrote:

eddie wrote:

Syl wrote:
Blimey, I dont blame you for not wanting to contribute.
Some people take forum opinion far too seriously, and lets face it, no matter how strongly people may feel about this or any other given subject, all any of us can  offer is our own opinion.

Syl, you have NO idea how crazy the McCann forums were back then. It was in the media that the McCanns had spent some of the raised money to get forums shut down.
I always tried to stay fair. That’s all I can say. I was hacked and hounded and threatened.
This person knew my son’s name and the school he went to and my full name and many other things.
I wish harvesmom and Nems were here to back me up. It was awful.

I believe you, there are some nutters on forums.

Well, he was a little more than a nutter. He had access to stuff he shouldn’t have access to...

eddie wrote:

Syl wrote:
I believe you, there are some nutters on forums.

Well, he was a little more than a nutter. He had access to stuff he shouldn’t have access to...

I wont ask how, but if he threatened you I hope you reported him.

Syl wrote:

eddie wrote:

Syl wrote:
I believe you, there are some nutters on forums.

Well, he was a little more than a nutter. He had access to stuff he shouldn’t have access to...

I wont ask how, but if he threatened you I hope you reported him.

Oh I couldn’t find him. No one could.
He reappeared years later on forums I was on under the name “Debunker”.

He blew the whistle on Jimmy Saville years before it came out.

eddie wrote:

Syl wrote:
I wont ask how, but if he threatened you I hope you reported him.

Oh I couldn’t find him. No one could.
He reappeared years later on forums I was on under the name “Debunker”.

He blew the whistle on Jimmy Saville years before it came out.

Sounds like a one man vigilante.
Different subject i know, but so many people knew about Saville, from the high ups to the man in the street, and many tried to report him. Somehow, possibly because of what he knew about others, he got away with his crimes till after death.