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Post by Guest Wed Jun 15, 2016 2:26 pm

As Freud is accused of abusing girls as young as 10 over a number of decades, his widow says she is 'deeply saddened and profoundly sorry for what has happened to these women'



Police investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann have been alerted to the revelation that the MP Sir Clement Freud, who befriended the McCann family, was a paedophile who sexually abused young girls for decades.
Freud's widow, Jill Freud, 89, said in a statement she was “deeply saddened and profoundly sorry for what has happened to these women” after an ITV documentary found the late broadcaster and politician was accused of abusing two girls between the late 1940s and 1970s.
Sylvia Woosley, who first met Freud when she was 10 and later went to live with him when her mother's marriage broke down, claims in the ITV Exposure documentary that he molested her over several years.
A second woman, who wants to remain anonymous, alleged that the Liberal politician also abused her as a child and raped her when she was 18.

Freud, who died in 2009, had a holiday home in the Praia da Luz resort in Portugal where Madeleine disappeared in 2007.
He met Gerry and Kate McCann in the weeks after the incident, staying in touch by phone and email and, according to The Telegraph, hosting them at his home on at least two occasions.
It is expected police will now assess the information about his past to determine whether it is relevant to the investigation into Madeleine's disappearance. The Freud family reportedly say he was not in Portugal at the she vanished. 
In the programme, due to be broadcast on Wednesday, Ms Woosley, now in her late 70s, said: “I just want to clear things up before I die...I want to die clean.
“Having been so hard on myself, trying to destroy myself so many times, you can't bury the truth forever, it needs to be heard.

“I don't want to take this to my tomb. I would like to just return to the child I was before I was molested physically, before I was introduced to that side of life too early.”
A spokesperson for the Liberal Democrats said: “These allegations are horrific. We are desperately sorry to learn that lives have been ruined by a man whose public face was so greatly at odds to his true character. It has clearly taken a lot of courage for these women to speak out, after a lifetime of having to hide it.
”This is the latest in a terrifying line of cases where high profile figures have systematically used their status, celebrity and power, to abuse and to rape.
“Clement Freud was a senior figure in the Liberals, our party's predecessor, and we are deeply shocked and horrified by this news. Our party was never aware of what happened, and our hearts go out to the women who were affected.”

Ms Woosley told the programme she first met Freud, known as Clay, when he was aged 24 and worked at the Martinez hotel in Cannes in the late 1940s. She was 10 and her family was living in the south of France.
She claims that he kissed her on the mouth during a bus trip. She said: “I was disgusted and helpless. I just didn't react in any way because I couldn't. I didn't know what to do.”
From the age of 14, when she lived with Freud and his wife in London for five years, she claims that he frequently molested her, even “playfully” touching her breast in front of his wife, although she believes Mrs Freud had no knowledge of the abuse.
Later, aged in her early 40s, Ms Woosley said she confronted Freud at the House of Commons and asked why he had abused her. She says he replied: “Because I loved you. You were a very sensual little girl.”
The second woman said that she first met Freud in 1971 at her family home as a “lonely, neglected and socially isolated” 11-year-old.
Then a celebrity, he would call her on the phone and tell her she was special and intelligent, and was treated as a surrogate father figure by her parents, she said.
Two years later, after he was elected as an MP, he would take her on trips to Parliament and his home, and would kiss her on the mouth and hug her.
She said: “I felt sick but grateful at the same time. Frightened and unable to move or react in any way.”
When she was 14, she claims Freud asked her and another friend of the same age: “Would you like to get naked and have some fun?”
Four years later, in June 1978, when she was 18, the woman alleges that he came over to her parents' flat and “brutally and perfunctorily” raped her.

She told the broadcaster: “I live in constant terror that I'll be found out, exposed. I've already suffered across nearly 40 years. It's not simply to be labelled as depression or mental illness, this is disempowerment, self-destructiveness and grief. This is what real suffering looks like.”
Writer, broadcaster and politician Freud, who died at his desk aged 84 in 2009, first became a household name in the 1960s and 70s in Minced Morsels dog food adverts.
A celebrated food, sport and comment print journalist, he also enjoyed a long career as a television and radio personality, regularly contributing to Radio 4's Just A Minute for 30 years and featuring on shows including Have I Got News For You.
ITV said two of Freud's children had viewed the documentary before broadcast on their mother's behalf.
Mrs Freud said: “This is a very sad day for me. I was married to Clement for 58 years and loved him dearly. I am shocked, deeply saddened and profoundly sorry for what has happened to these women. I sincerely hope they will now have some peace.”
‘Exposure: Abused and Betrayed - A Life Sentence’ will be broadcast on ITV at 11:05pm on Wednesday


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/sir-clement-freud-madeleine-mccann-police-investigate-paedophile-mp-link-a7082806.html






I don't know if anyone here watched 'The Missing' about a little boy who was snatched in France, starred James Nesbitt.   The parents in that series were befriended and helped by a local rich celebrity who turned out to be the person who snatched their son.   As soon as I read about the above, I did wonder if the person who wrote 'The Missing' knew anything about Clement Freud when he wrote it.

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Post by Guest Wed Jun 15, 2016 3:11 pm

Well, help me clarify this story line would you {yes, I read the entire article too} ...so there's a chance that this 'CLAY' person might have had opportunity to snatch Madeline McCann while staying at that hotel and then he later befriended her parents? 

Is that the narrative that they think this pervert has done because of his past pattern for predator behavior?

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Post by Guest Wed Jun 15, 2016 3:15 pm

It appears that is what they are looking into, or that he might have been part of a 'ring' that abused children.

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Post by HoratioTarr Wed Jun 15, 2016 3:16 pm

More publicity for the McCanns? Why did the those two even accept his invitation for lunch? The last thing I'd want to do is go socialise with a complete stranger after my kid had gone missing.
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Post by Guest Wed Jun 15, 2016 3:25 pm

Invitation used a 'PLOY'...and if this established wealthy person used it as an offering of his 'good intentions to use all of his resources at his disposal - certainly any parent would leave NO STONE unturned to put his offering(s) to good use' ~~~
Who knows Sir Clement Freud: Madeleine McCann disappearance police to look into link to paedophile MP 2190311264  I don't walk in those shoes, but I sure as hell won't judge them from my armchair either. No

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Post by Guest Wed Jun 15, 2016 3:42 pm

Exactly, come over to mine and we will discuss how I can help, I have money and connections, there must be something I can do etc etc etc

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Post by eddie Wed Jun 15, 2016 3:49 pm

It's going to take a matter of minutes to see if he was in the area or not?

And I thought the police, had an expensive list of people who were in and out of Praia de Luiz that summer?

According to the article: The Freud family reportedly say he was not in Portugal at the time she vanished.

Of course they could be lying.
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Post by Guest Wed Jun 15, 2016 3:52 pm

sassy wrote:Exactly, come over to mine and we will discuss how I can help, I have money and connections, there must be something I can do etc etc etc

Well, that is the method and mind set that con-artist/manipulators/perpetrators use ...they come across as so dam sincere and caring humans while being the worst deceptive cretins with their own agenda's.   Evil or Very Mad

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Post by Guest Wed Jun 15, 2016 3:55 pm

Yep, and he didn't have to be in the area when it happened, could have paid someone to do it.  He was there pretty soon afterwards.   He might not have been involved, but who knows.

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Post by Guest Wed Jun 15, 2016 4:01 pm

That's the really - tragic thing about these vile networks that these cretins have access to and when you told me Clay may have been part of a 'network' ...well the age of Madeline seemed to young for his sexual perversion {from the previous molestations} but he might have had connections for others on a 'Want List' that she would have been a 'most likely' to be highly sought for the right price!  Child abduction/female children are bringing a high dollar on the black market. Evil or Very Mad

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Post by eddie Wed Jun 15, 2016 4:42 pm

Doubt it has anything to do with him, but worth checking (like I said the police would already have an extensive list of travelers in and out of PdL)

Gerry and Kate were friends with a man who showed paedophiliac tendencies anyway, according the the Gasper statements.
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Post by Syl Wed Jun 15, 2016 5:21 pm

Another one who died and got away with his abuse.....how sad that they don't know of the stench they leave behind.
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Post by HoratioTarr Wed Jun 15, 2016 10:52 pm

Syl wrote:Another one who died and got away with his abuse.....how sad that they don't know of the stench they leave behind.

It all happened in an era where celebrities seemed untouchable.
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Post by Guest Thu Jun 16, 2016 12:35 am

NSPCC have confirmed to ITV News that they passed on complaints about Freud in 2012! So why was nothing done?

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A former British ambassador has revealed he has been approached by several people making further claims of sexual abuse by Clement Freud, amid fears the MP and broadcaster could have sexually abused dozens more children.
Freud has been accused of abusing young girls between the 1940s and 1970s. The allegations have been made by two women, Sylvia Woosley and an anonymous woman, who claim he abused them as children. The second woman says he raped her when she was 18.
The Independent can now reveal that, after helping expose Freud’s paedophilia, the former British ambassador Craig Murray has been contacted by people making further claims of abuse by Freud.

Mr Murray, who says there must now be serious questions asked over whether senior political figures knew of his behaiour, said: “I have had all kinds of people contacting me, telling me that they knew about this behaviour – not victims, but people who were told about it, people who knew victims.
“I have been contacted by seven people this morning.  I don’t have concrete intelligence, but it seems there are a lot of claims that there is more stuff out there.”
“The same as with Jimmy Savile,” he added, “This stuff comes pouring out once the gates are opened.”
Mr Murray revealed that after he posted a favourable obituary of Freud on his blog following the broadcaster's death in 2009, an anonymous comment was left underneath the article by a woman saying Freud had abused her.
The comment reads: “Writing as one of his 1000s of sexual ‘victims’, still surviving, terrified as I write for fear he is not yet quite yet dead – the man was an evil, conniving, ruthless user for his own bottomless ego of all he came into contact with.
“Our children – boys and girls are all that much safer for his demise.
“And that is just the tip of an iceberg of political and media dirty dealings that reaches into the heart of the broken Britain he has left behind him.
“His family will now, unfortunately, reap the rage and revenge of those he destroyed and their much needed justice for his many heinous – still untold – actions.”
After being contacted by ITV in 2015, Mr Murray contacted the woman and helped put her in touch with the makers of the documentary, in which she claims that Freud, whom she met in 1971, groomed her from the age of 11, abused her at 14, and violently raped her at 18.
Her testimony added to that of Ms Woosley, who said that Freud began sexually touching her in 1952, when she was 14.

On Tuesday night, Mr Murray published another blog entry, entitled ‘Clement Freud, my part in his downfall', which he says has prompted people to contact him with further claims of abuse.
Mr Murray, who lost his job as British ambassador to Uzbekistan in 2004 after speaking out about human rights abuses in the country, said: “It seems astonishing now that paedophilia seems to have been quite so rampant among senior people and plainly, as with Cyril Smith, [with whom Freud shared an office in the House of Commons], as with Greville Janner, quite a few people knew about it.”
Mr Murray’s remarks will add to anxieties that there were long-held suspicions about Freud’s activities that were not acted upon. 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/clement-freud-paedophile-mp-could-have-sexually-abused-dozens-more-victims-a7083346.html

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Post by Victorismyhero Thu Jun 16, 2016 1:00 am

Hmmm....Whilst this opens (yet another) can of worms for the "establishment" I fear that whatever is disclosed/discovered/brought to light, will have but little impact on the Maddie case. Lets face it, anything they find out about his whereabouts and his nefarious doings, It will ALL be insubstantial "circumstantial" evidence as far as THAT is concerned......Whilst this stands investigating on its own merit, I doubt its input into Maddies case will do much at all.....
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Post by eddie Thu Jun 16, 2016 8:25 am

Lord Foul wrote:Hmmm....Whilst this opens (yet another) can of worms for the "establishment" I fear that whatever is disclosed/discovered/brought to light, will have but little impact on the Maddie case. Lets face it, anything they find out about his whereabouts and his nefarious doings, It will ALL be insubstantial "circumstantial" evidence as far as THAT is concerned......Whilst this stands investigating on its own merit, I doubt its input into Maddies case will do much at all.....
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The Missing Madeliene case gets far more attention and money spent than any other case and no one ever seems to question it.
Don't get me wrong, I'd love if ALL children missing were given this much money and time, (I'd gladly up my taxes and pay a little extra for missing children as they never go missing voluntarily like alot of adults), but from day one, this case got so much more special attention.
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sassy wrote:NSPCC have confirmed to ITV News that they passed on complaints about Freud in 2012!   So why was nothing done?

That's a question everyone has passed the buck on since it was revealed that police, press, parliament and so called carers knew about Saville decades ago and nothing was done.

I think its totally wrong to drag the Maccanns into this latest revelation though, unless there is a real comnnection between Freud and any paedophile activity that was happening in the resort where Maddie disappeared.
And as the allegations against him span between the 1940's and the 70's that seems unlikely.
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Syl wrote:
sassy wrote:NSPCC have confirmed to ITV News that they passed on complaints about Freud in 2012!   So why was nothing done?
That's a question everyone has passed the buck on since it was revealed that police, press, parliament and so called carers knew about Saville decades ago and nothing was done.

I think its totally wrong to drag the Maccanns into this latest revelation though, unless there is a real comnnection between Freud and any paedophile activity that was happening in the resort where Maddie disappeared.
And as the allegations against him span between the 1940's and the 70's that seems unlikely.
Certainly it all maybe a waste of investigation time ...quite often that's what those hours end up being - just another vapor trail.
But I'd rather have had them look/resource any possible linked chain/spider web of child traffic/pedophiles/perverts then to allow yet another possible connection go stone cold because someone didn't think it worthy or it might embarrass some wealthy person. Suspect 
OMG ...look how many years this 'ONE' public pervert was able to get away with his vile behavior ...UGHHHH Evil or Very Mad

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That's a question everyone has passed the buck on since it was revealed that police, press, parliament and so called carers knew about Saville decades ago and nothing was done.

I think its totally wrong to drag the Maccanns into this latest revelation though, unless there is a real comnnection between Freud and any paedophile activity that was happening in the resort where Maddie disappeared.
And as the allegations against him span between the 1940's and the 70's that seems unlikely.
Certainly it all maybe a waste of investigation time ...quite often that's what those hours end up being - just another vapor trail.
But I'd rather have had them look/resource any possible linked chain/spider web of child traffic/pedophiles/perverts then to allow yet another possible connection go stone cold because someone didn't think it worthy or it might embarrass some wealthy person. Suspect 
OMG ...look how many years this 'ONE' public pervert was able to get away with his vile behavior ...UGHHHH Evil or Very Mad

I agree that if there is any connection it should be looked into thouroughly, but disagree that it should be made public giving the Maccann bashers something else to get their teeth into.

It's also odd that Freuds wife has apologised to his victims instead of defending her late husband....maybe she knew?
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Syl wrote:
4EVER2 wrote:
Certainly it all maybe a waste of investigation time ...quite often that's what those hours end up being - just another vapor trail.
But I'd rather have had them look/resource any possible linked chain/spider web of child traffic/pedophiles/perverts then to allow yet another possible connection go stone cold because someone didn't think it worthy or it might embarrass some wealthy person. Suspect 
OMG ...look how many years this 'ONE' public pervert was able to get away with his vile behavior ...UGHHHH Evil or Very Mad
I agree that if there is any connection it should be looked into thouroughly, but disagree that it should be made public giving the Maccann bashers something else to get their teeth into.

It's also odd that Freuds wife has apologised to his victims instead of defending her late husband....maybe she knew?
Well, there are a goodly number of 'McCann Haters' out in the world, that's a solid point to be sure!

And as often has been the families process {far too many cases over here in the USA} many within the family unit 'KNEW' but willfully chose to turn a blind eye - hoped that they would not be a 'chosen next victim' or just shut it all out and chose denial and hold tight fisted to that story line.  The number of notable male coaching staff that have been outed and the activity often happened right in their own homes - while the wife was in residence ...yet she'd deny - deny - deny that she was aware! 
How isolated and shredded was that marriage to be that unaware of her husbands sexual deviancy? Evil or Very Mad

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Post by HoratioTarr Thu Jun 16, 2016 8:03 pm

Syl wrote:
sassy wrote:NSPCC have confirmed to ITV News that they passed on complaints about Freud in 2012!   So why was nothing done?

That's a question everyone has passed the buck on since it was revealed that police, press, parliament and so called carers knew about Saville decades ago and nothing was done.

I think its totally wrong to drag the Maccanns into this latest revelation though, unless there is a real comnnection between Freud and any paedophile activity that was happening in the resort where Maddie disappeared.
And as the allegations against him span between the 1940's and the 70's that seems unlikely.

Haven't they dragged themselves into it?
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That's a question everyone has passed the buck on since it was revealed that police, press, parliament and so called carers knew about Saville decades ago and nothing was done.

I think its totally wrong to drag the Maccanns into this latest revelation though, unless there is a real comnnection between Freud and any paedophile activity that was happening in the resort where Maddie disappeared.
And as the allegations against him span between the 1940's and the 70's that seems unlikely.

Haven't they dragged themselves into it?

How? did they know he was a paedophile?
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Haven't they dragged themselves into it?

How? did they know he was a paedophile?

They wrote about him, accepted his invitation to socialise so now have to run the gauntlet of the publicity associated with it. It's not about them being 'dragged' into it. It's just a matter of association.
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Post by Syl Thu Jun 16, 2016 8:34 pm

They probably thought he could help their cause and seized on that. They would have had no way of knowing he was a paedophile.
No doubt many people will make a connection with his liking for youngsters and their role in their daughters disappearance though.
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