'White helmets' - humanitarian heroes or terrorists?

by Tommy Monk Mon Jul 23, 2018 5:40 pm

The Syrian government has condemned the evacuation over the weekend of the White Helmets civil defence group from a war zone in the south of the country.
Damascus described the move, carried out by Israel, as a "criminal operation" by "Israel and its tools".
Some 422 volunteers and family members were taken to Jordan via the Israeli-occupied Golan Heights.
It was feared that they would be persecuted by advancing government forces in southern Syria.
Responding to the move on Monday, Syria's foreign ministry said that "words of condemnation are not enough to denounce this despicable act".
It added that the White Helmets supported "terrorists" and that the world had been warned of the group's "dangers", according to Syria's state news agency Sana.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-44927502

I've made this a poll... but please don't vote until you have looked at the evidence about them.

by nicko Mon Jul 23, 2018 6:44 pm

Saw them "rescuing" the same child from 3 different places, and they were photographed showing a child how to lie among rubble while they dug him out !
They showed children being washed down with water supposedly to clean them of a chemical attack, later investigation by experts found no evidence of chemicals being used !

by Tommy Monk Mon Jul 23, 2018 7:14 pm

by Guest Mon Jul 23, 2018 7:34 pm

On the morning of July 22nd the IDF announced the completion of the overnight evacuation of 800 Syrian ‘White Helmets’ personnel and their families from southern Syria, through Israel and into Jordan.

“The evacuation took place from Quneitra, which straddles the frontier with the Golan Heights and where the civil defense team was trapped. […]
The evacuees arrived at the border with Israel, and the IDF opened the gates and let them through. Medical treatment was provided to those in need, and the evacuees were provided with food and water.

The humanitarian workers and their families then boarded a fleet of buses that was already waiting for them at the site. The army and police blocked roads in the area, allowing the convoy to pass unimpeded.”

After the story broke, the BBC News website quickly produced a report titled “Syria conflict: Israel evacuates ‘White Helmets’” which appeared on its main homepage as well as its ‘World’ and ‘Middle East’ pages.
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In that report BBC audiences were told that:

“The White Helmets describe themselves as a volunteer workforce that acts to save people in Syria’s war zones.

They say they are non-partisan but supporters of President Bashar al-Assad, and his ally Russia, allege links to jihadist groups.”

And again, in a sub-section headed “Who are the White Helmets?”:

“Say they are neutral and have no political affiliation but have been accused of links to jihadist groups by the Syrian government and its Russian allies”
That propaganda has indeed been vigorously promoted by the Assad regime, Russia and their sympathisers. However, it has also been exposed and debunked – as the Guardian reported in December 2017.

“The campaign to discredit the White Helmets started at the same time as Russia staged a military intervention in Syria in September 2015, supporting President Bashar al-Assad’s army with airstrikes bombarding opposition-held areas. Almost immediately, Russian state media such as RT and Sputnik started falsely claiming that Isis was the only target and throwing doubt on the bombings of infrastructure and civilian sites.

The same propaganda machine scooped up fringe anti-American activists, bloggers and researchers who believe the White Helmets are terrorists, giving them a platform on state TV and amplifying their articles through social media.”

In April of this year BBC Trending produced a report titled “Syria war: The online activists pushing conspiracy theories” which includes a whole section on conspiracy theories relating to the ‘White Helmets’.
“The Sarah Abdallah account is, according to a recent study by the online research firm Graphika, one of the most influential social media accounts in the online conversation about Syria, and specifically in pushing misinformation about a 2017 chemical weapons attack and the Syria Civil Defence, whose rescue workers are widely known as the “White Helmets”. […]
Graphika found 20 million messages about the White Helmets, split between tweets in support and in opposition. Among the opponents, Kelly says, Sarah Abdallah was “by far the most influential”, followed by Vanessa Beeley.

The firm found that Sarah Abdallah’s account was primarily followed by a number of different interest clusters: supporters of pro-Palestinian causes, Russians and Russian allies, white nationalists and those from the extremist alt-right, conservative American Trump supporters, far-right groups in Europe and conspiracy theorists.

These groups were instrumental in making the hashtag #SyriaHoax trend after the chemical weapons attack in the rebel-held town of Khan Sheikhoun in April 2017.”

Nevertheless, three months on BBC News is still amplifying the propaganda of the Syrian and Russian regimes concerning the ‘White Helmets’ – and that despite the corporation’s obligation to “provide accurate and impartial news…of the highest editorial standards so that all audiences can engage fully with issues across the UK and the world”.
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'White helmets' - humanitarian heroes or terrorists? Jeremy-hunt-tweet-white-helmets

Judging by many of the replies to a Tweet relating to the story sent by the British Foreign Secretary, the BBC News website’s longstanding habit of promoting false balance in the name of ‘impartiality’ by repeatedly amplifying any and every propaganda put out by the Assad regime and its Russian ally is certainly not contributing to meeting that particular ‘public purpose’.

https://bbcwatch.org/2018/07/22/bbc-promotes-what-it-described-in-april-as-conspiracy-theories/

by eddie Mon Jul 23, 2018 7:41 pm

nicko wrote:Saw them "rescuing" the same child from 3 different places, and they were photographed showing a child how to lie among rubble while they dug him out !
They showed children being washed down with water supposedly to clean them of a chemical attack, later investigation by experts found no evidence of chemicals being used !

You saw them rescuing the same child, on three different occasions? Do you have a link or remember where you saw it?

Btw, I saw the same man in two different shootings once. He was a survivor both times apparently and never mentioned his first lucky escape when he was interviewed for the second time. I did have the videos saved but they’ve since been deleted when you click the links.

by Guest Mon Jul 23, 2018 7:42 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:

The mannequin challenge.

To understand the propaganda machine in action, you only have to look at what happened when the White Helmets posted their version of the mannequin challenge, a viral internet video trend where people would film themselves frozen mid-action. The rescue group filmed themselves in a staged rescue and shared the video on social media with the hashtag #MannequinChallenge.

The video, posted in November 2016 by the Revolutionary Forces of Syria Media Office, was immediately stripped of its context and reshared as evidence that the organisation uses “crisis actors” in staged rescues designed to make the Russian and Syrian armies look bad.

One Twitter user, retweeted hundreds of times, stated: “Unbelievable! Must watch video showing White Helmets fakery.”

RT reported on the incident, including some of the tweets, and cited Beeley as an independent researcher asserting that the video fuelled suspicion around the “already questionable credibility” of the organisation. The following day Beeley wrote a story on 21st Century Wire in which she argued that the video caused “widespread doubt, even among diehard supporters, as to the veracity of their much edited slick video reports”.

The White Helmets later issued an apology, saying they had hoped the viral video would create a connection between the horror or Syria and the outside world, but acknowledged it was an “error of judgement”..

“It was a stupid thing to do,” said Eliot Higgins, founder of the investigative reporting collective Bellingcat, “but it was then completely misused by people who have an agenda.”

A year on and the White Helmets’ mannequin challenge video is still widely circulated as evidence that they stage rescues.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/dec/18/syria-white-helmets-conspiracy-theories

by Guest Mon Jul 23, 2018 7:54 pm

eddie wrote:
nicko wrote:Saw them "rescuing" the same child from 3 different places, and they were photographed showing a child how to lie among rubble while they dug him out !
They showed children being washed down with water supposedly to clean them of a chemical attack, later investigation by experts found no evidence of chemicals being used !

You saw them rescuing the same child, on three different occasions? Do you have a link or remember where you saw it?

Btw, I saw the same man in two different shootings once. He was a survivor both times apparently and never mentioned his first lucky escape when he was interviewed for the second time. I did have the videos saved but they’ve since been deleted when you click the links.

Like any conspiracy theory, this one feeds on ignorance. Most outside Syria only know the conflict's broad strokes, and thus have little reason to doubt seemingly authoritative sources. "Disasters are an opportunistic social media moment," says Brian Houston, director of the Disaster and Community Crisis Center at the University of Missouri. "If you heard about a storm and you saw someone tweeting pictures of a tornado, why wouldn't you believe it was the right one?" That presumed trust provides the perfect growth medium for disinformation, like when Reddit erroneously treated an art project like a news dispatch.

First, though, let's go back to the beginning. Syrian and Russian pro-Assad groups first seeded the brouhaha by suggesting that White Helmets were faking photos of the bombing victims they rescue.

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via Channel 4

These images went viral after a pro-Assad reporter who often writes for Kremlin-sponsored RT claimed that the White Helmets were "recycling" victims to make the Assad regime look bad. (The claim has since been debunked.) Still, facial comparisons—especially low-res photos of people covered in dust—remain a powerful propaganda tool. "People think images are a language they automatically understand," Klausen says. "But they often get it wrong."

https://www.wired.com/2017/04/white-helmets-conspiracy-theory/

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/syrian-war-victims-are-being-recycled-and-al-quds-hospital-was-never-bombed/

by eddie Mon Jul 23, 2018 8:19 pm

I’m in no way saying what I think as it’s the first I’ve heard of it and have no clue about any of it until I look into it, but I’ll take any other debunking site over snopes, to be honest.

by nicko Mon Jul 23, 2018 9:21 pm

I saw this report on Al Jazzera months ago, no reason to disbelieve it, no smoke etc.

by Tommy Monk Mon Jul 23, 2018 11:45 pm

Do some research on this 'humanitarian group'... what they do, where they operate, where they get their funding from, the dodgy stuff they have been caught out doing...

Ask yourself why they only operate in terrorist held areas...?

by Guest Tue Jul 24, 2018 12:58 am

Tommy Monk wrote:

Do some research on this 'humanitarian group'... what they do, where they operate, where they get their funding from, the dodgy stuff they have been caught out doing...

Ask yourself why they only operate in terrorist held areas...?

The firm found that Sarah Abdallah’s account was primarily followed by a number of different interest clusters: supporters of pro-Palestinian causes, Russians and Russian allies, white nationalists and those from the extremist alt-right, conservative American Trump supporters, far-right groups in Europe and conspiracy theorists.

by Guest Tue Jul 24, 2018 1:00 am

eddie wrote:I’m in no way saying what I think as it’s the first I’ve heard of it and have no clue about any of it until I look into it, but I’ll take any other debunking site over snopes, to be honest.

The Syrian volunteer rescue workers known as the White Helmets have become the target of an extraordinary disinformation campaign that positions them as an al-Qaida-linked terrorist organisation.

The Guardian has uncovered how this counter-narrative is propagated online by a network of anti-imperialist activists, conspiracy theorists and trolls with the support of the Russian government (which provides military support to the Syrian regime).

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/dec/18/syria-white-helmets-conspiracy-theories

by Guest Tue Jul 24, 2018 1:15 am

eddie wrote:I’m in no way saying what I think as it’s the first I’ve heard of it and have no clue about any of it until I look into it, but I’ll take any other debunking site over snopes, to be honest.

Its very obvious just looking at the first and third picture the girls are not the same

I gave other links other than snopes and I can give you more if you like

Eva Bartlett’s claims about Syrian children

The analysis

The analysis

Girl One

The dates mentioned in this photo montage are roughly accurate.

The girl in the top half of the picture was photographed on 27 August by Abdalrhman Ismail, a Reuters photographer who has been working on the front line of the Syrian conflict for three years.

The shots show an unnamed girl and two other children supposedly being rescued from rubble by White Helmets.
Mr Ismail shot the girl alone and with other children, along with many other survivors of two airstrikes that hit the Bab al-Nairab district of Aleppo.

Two barrel bomb strikes on that neighbourhood on that day were very widely reported. The attack that day was notable because it hit a funeral where civilians were mourning deaths from an earlier attack.

Some people commenting online seem to think it sinister that the child was photographed in the arms of three different men, but we have seen plenty of other footage from Syria where rescuers work in a chain and pass children to each other.

Girl Two

The girl in the bottom left photo is hard to see from the still used in the “Al Qaeda/White Helmets” montage. She was the subject of an astonishing piece of video footage that was broadcast around the world in September this year.
Identified in reports as Rawan Alowsh, aged five, the girl was shown buried deep in debris after an airstrike in Aleppo on 23 September this year. The rest of her family – three sisters, parents and baby brother – were reported to have perished.
The long sequence in which rescuers painstakingly clearing rubble away from around the girl suggests that it would have been difficult to fake this footage.

Someone would have had to have buried a screaming child up to their chest in rubble and carefully assembled a large amount of heavy wreckage around and on top of her – an extraordinary logistical challenge and an extraordinary collective act of child abuse.

Judging by some of the online conversation about this, some people don’t believe it’s possible for children to be pulled out of the rubble of collapsed buildings without serious injury, but we know that it can happen.

It happened recently after an earthquake in central Italy. And in other conflict zones, adults and children have been known to emerge unscathed from houses wrecked by bombs.

Indeed, Eva Bartlett herself reported on such a case in Gaza in 2009, telling the story of a Palestinian man called Abu Qusay who was “buried alive” by an Israeli bomb but emerged with “only a mere scar at his left eyebrow”.

The footage was not released to the world’s media by the White Helmets through their usual online channels.
Rawan is later filmed lying on a hospital bed soon afterwards, apparently asleep or unconscious. Her jumper has been removed and her face is more clearly visible:

Some online comments we have seen suggest – without any evidence – that this is not the same girl we see being rescued and carried away. But some of the details of the outfits match, like the two gold bangles the girl is wearing on her left wrist, which is visible in earlier footage too.

A report in the Australian newspaper from a few days later – heavily based on conversations with doctors in rebel-held Aleppo – said of Rawan: “She is being cared for by her grandparents but remains in deep shock, barely able to speak and apparently unable to understand that her parents and siblings are dead.”

Girl three

This video footage was also very widely circulated. It was first uploaded to YouTube by anti-Assad activists in Talbiseh, a large rebel-held town just north of Homs, and around 100 miles away from Aleppo. Again, it was not released by the White Helmets.

We see a girl with blood apparently pouring from a wound on the bridge of her nose, in some distress, after an airstrike on Talbiseh on 10 October. She is calling for her father in Arabic:

The girl then gives her name as Aya. She was reported to be eight years old. Reports from the time suggested that Aya’s parents and three siblings all survived the attack and she was reunited with them later.

Again, judging from comments, some people believe that this footage is staged, that the girl is acting and the blood on her face is fake.

Whatever this video does and doesn’t show, it lets us have a good look at Aya’s face, so we can compare the three girls side by side.

It seems pretty obvious that these are three different children, with quite different facial features:

We can also clearly see throughout the footage that, despite some superficial similarities in the girls’ outfits, they are not wearing the same clothes.

Aya is wearing a sleeveless turquoise top, while Rawan is wearing a jumper in a similar colour and the unnamed girl photographed by Abdulrhman Ismail is wearing a turquoise top with a distinctively different design.

Like Rawan, this girl wears gold bracelets, but they are on her right wrist. And unlike Rawan, her jeans are studded with sequins.

https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-eva-bartletts-claims-about-syrian-children

What is evident here, is Tommy is nothing more than a stooge and mouthpeice for the Russians

by Tommy Monk Thu Jul 26, 2018 6:48 pm

by Guest Thu Jul 26, 2018 6:55 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:

So Tommy's evidnece is some Putin/Assad loving Southern Redneck's opinion, who is a conspiracy loon

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'White helmets' - humanitarian heroes or terrorists? 3489511464

This report sets out fresh evidence of Russia’s campaign to mislead the
public and undermine democratic institutions around the world. It reveals
how the Russian government is conducting a major multi-pronged propaganda
campaign to spread false information about Syria’s humanitarian workers in an
effort to cover up its role in some of the most heinous war crimes of our time.

New research shows that bots and trolls linked to Russia have reached an
estimated 56 million people with tweets attacking Syria’s search and rescue
organisation, the Syria Civil Defence — also known as the White Helmets —
during ten key moments of 2016 and 2017.

Many of these smears are linked to efforts to promote false information
about the sarin chemical attack of April 2017 in Khan Sheikhoun, which
UN investigators concluded were carried out by Russia’s ally, the Syrian
government of Bashar al-Assad.

This report examines how a concerted disinformation campaign was able
to dominate the reporting of one of the most important events of the Syria
conflict. When nerve agent was dropped on a civilian area, Russia’s far-fetched
claims were shared so widely, they became the number one trending topic on
Twitter in the US.

https://thesyriacampaign.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/KillingtheTruth.pdf

by Tommy Monk Thu Jul 26, 2018 11:17 pm

The only 'major multi-pronged propaganda
campaign to spread false information about Syria’s humanitarian workers in an effort to cover up its role in some of the most heinous war crimes of our time'... is the numerous western govts funding of this islamist terrorist propaganda group known as the 'White helmets'...!!!

by Guest Thu Jul 26, 2018 11:21 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:The only 'major multi-pronged propaganda
campaign to spread false information about Syria’s humanitarian workers in an effort to cover up its role in some of the most heinous war crimes of our time'... is the numerous western govts funding of this islamist terrorist propaganda group known as the 'White helmets'...!!!

Really?

Based on what evidence?

Putin's Russia?

Good luck with being their stooge

Laters

by Tommy Monk Thu Jul 26, 2018 11:31 pm

You are the stooge of ISIS terrorists...

by Guest Thu Jul 26, 2018 11:36 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:You are the stooge of ISIS terrorists...

Well that is news to me when I stand against Islamism

Just because you but into Russia propaganda, does not mean humanitarian workers is a front for ISIS

Its works so well this disinformation, that you have easily being controlled by the Russians

You have lost the ability to freely think

Nobody thought this group was anything other than Humanitarian, until the Russians, starting killing civilians in Syria and were exposed. Then the Russians started a misinformation campaign and there is countless evidence for this

Now where is all the evidence for your claims?

Its poor misleading videos, which you have not researched properly. Buying what others say without researching. Just like the false claim that the same children had been used

Two things easily debunked and you still maintain the same controlled position

You never once admitted on the mannequin video and the false claim on the girls. That you were wrong.

A sure sign you are easily manipulated

Hey ho

Night

by Tommy Monk Fri Jul 27, 2018 7:39 pm

You need to look at the facts on who set up the 'White helmets', and where they get their funding from...

And ask yourself why they are only operating in terrorist controlled areas of Syria...!?

by Guest Fri Jul 27, 2018 7:44 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:

You need to look at the facts on who set up the 'White helmets', and where they get their funding from...

And ask yourself why they are only operating in terrorist controlled areas of Syria...!?

Still waiting for them

How about the many facts they have saved tens of thousands of lives Tommy?

Why did the IDF help many of them escape

Are you claiming the Israeli Jews help ISIS terrorists now?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israel-white-helmets-evacuation-aid-volunteers-idf-a8458676.html

The very people that wish and vow to wipe them out?

This is why you are an idiot

by Tommy Monk Fri Jul 27, 2018 9:00 pm

1. If you don't know... and haven't bothered to find out... then you are confirming your ignorance on this subject... and you are therefore not in a position to offer an informed opinion.

2. Says who? Themselves?

3. Israel only did this at the strong request of multiple western govts who are funding and running this terrorist affiliated group. And Israel is not neutral against Syria as they have carried out numerous actions against Syrian govt & forces.

by Guest Fri Jul 27, 2018 9:04 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:1. If you don't know... and haven't bothered to find out... then you are confirming your ignorance on this subject... and you are therefore not in a position to offer an informed opinion.

2. Says who? Themselves?

3. Israel only did this at the strong request of multiple western govts who are funding and running this terrorist affiliated group. And Israel is not neutral against Syria as they have carried out numerous actions against Syrian govt & forces.

1) I have reaserched and debunked your claims. You still deny them

2) Ask the IDF

3) Is that why they ignore western governements and continue to build setttlements against their views?

Is that why they continually within the EU vote against them?

Israel and Syria are still at war. There has never been peace, so again, why would Israel side with ISIS as you claim?

Take your time

by Tommy Monk Fri Jul 27, 2018 9:31 pm

You need to look at the facts on who set up the 'White helmets', and where they get their funding from...

And ask yourself why they are only operating in terrorist controlled areas of Syria...!?

Still waiting for you to answer MY questions...!?

Well...?

by Guest Fri Jul 27, 2018 9:37 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:You need to look at the facts on who set up the 'White helmets', and where they get their funding from...

And ask yourself why they are only operating in terrorist controlled areas of Syria...!?

Still waiting for you to answer MY questions...!?

Well...?

What facts?

Are they the only group?

Are you that easiy controlled?

Maybe yuou should ask why only this group is able to report and how Syria denies all other human rightss groups

I mean, did you even ask yourself that question, where they are allowed elsewhere?

Well?

Come on Tommy?

Can you answer why they are denied?

I mean all these groups are allowed in Israel and denounced Israel

Syria denies all of them access

Oh dear, dont you look a dummy

by Guest Fri Jul 27, 2018 9:42 pm

What I want to know is Tommy is his

How about you actually show me some actual evidence

You think Israel helps people that want to wipe them out

How badly do you buy into antismetic bullshit?

Seriously

Ther russians and Syrians have spouted crap that the west created ISIS.

Do you believe that?

Seriously?

by Tommy Monk Sat Jul 28, 2018 12:02 am

Tommy Monk wrote:You need to look at the facts on who set up the 'White helmets', and where they get their funding from...

And ask yourself why they are only operating in terrorist controlled areas of Syria...!?

Still waiting for you to answer MY questions...!?

Well...?

Still waiting for you to answer MY questions...!

Do you know the answers...?

Or are you ignorant of the facts...?

Well...?

by eddie Sat Jul 28, 2018 12:20 am

Tommy Monk wrote:

The Syrian government has condemned the evacuation over the weekend of the White Helmets civil defence group from a war zone in the south of the country.
Damascus described the move, carried out by Israel, as a "criminal operation" by "Israel and its tools".
Some 422 volunteers and family members were taken to Jordan via the Israeli-occupied Golan Heights.
It was feared that they would be persecuted by advancing government forces in southern Syria.
Responding to the move on Monday, Syria's foreign ministry said that "words of condemnation are not enough to denounce this despicable act".
It added that the White Helmets supported "terrorists" and that the world had been warned of the group's "dangers", according to Syria's state news agency Sana.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-44927502

I've made this a poll... but please don't vote until you have looked at the evidence about them.

Speaking of White Helmets, I remember a band by that name in the nineties. They were pretty average but they had heart dammit. Anyways, their drummer died for some odd reason and they disbanded. It was a small shame back then but I feel sorry for them now, as I recall one of their songs “Let us be reborn”
We should bring them back.

I’m gonna start a GoFundMe.

by Ben Reilly Sat Jul 28, 2018 12:20 am

eddie wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:

The Syrian government has condemned the evacuation over the weekend of the White Helmets civil defence group from a war zone in the south of the country.
Damascus described the move, carried out by Israel, as a "criminal operation" by "Israel and its tools".
Some 422 volunteers and family members were taken to Jordan via the Israeli-occupied Golan Heights.
It was feared that they would be persecuted by advancing government forces in southern Syria.
Responding to the move on Monday, Syria's foreign ministry said that "words of condemnation are not enough to denounce this despicable act".
It added that the White Helmets supported "terrorists" and that the world had been warned of the group's "dangers", according to Syria's state news agency Sana.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-44927502

I've made this a poll... but please don't vote until you have looked at the evidence about them.

Speaking of White Helmets, I remember a band by that name in the nineties. They were pretty average but they had heart dammit. Anyways, their drummer died for some odd reason and they disbanded. It was a small shame back then but I feel sorry for them now, as I recall one of their songs “Let us be reborn”
We should bring them back.

I’m gonna start a GoFundMe.

In our cups, are we?

by Guest Sat Jul 28, 2018 2:26 am

Tommy Monk wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:You need to look at the facts on who set up the 'White helmets', and where they get their funding from...

And ask yourself why they are only operating in terrorist controlled areas of Syria...!?

Still waiting for you to answer MY questions...!?

Well...?

Still waiting for you to answer MY questions...!

Do you know the answers...?

Or are you ignorant of the facts...?

Well...?

You want to know why Syrian humanitarians are only operating in Syria?

Seriously?

This is all parts that the Syrian Governement and rebel groups attacked

How many rebel groups are there in Syria?

See how you make a play at words and say all terrorists?

They helped civillians in many areas wounded by war, where the Syrian governement did nothing to help but instead did the opposite

Is helping children, being bombed, helping terrorists to you?

Maybe you class children as terrorists

Is it a case you are ignorant period?

by Guest Sat Jul 28, 2018 2:26 am

Ben Mothafuckin' Reilly wrote:
eddie wrote:

Speaking of White Helmets, I remember a band by that name in the nineties. They were pretty average but they had heart dammit. Anyways, their drummer died for some odd reason and they disbanded. It was a small shame back then but I feel sorry for them now, as I recall one of their songs “Let us be reborn”
We should bring them back.

I’m gonna start a GoFundMe.

In our cups, are we?

Oh for fuck sake

by Guest Sat Jul 28, 2018 2:27 am

Didge wrote:What I want to know is Tommy is his

How about you actually show me some actual evidence

You think Israel helps people that want to wipe them out

How badly do you buy into antismetic bullshit?

Seriously

Ther russians and Syrians have spouted crap that the west created ISIS.

Do you believe that?

Seriously?

So now after I answered Tommy's questions, will he answer mine?

by Guest Sat Jul 28, 2018 2:38 am

Didge wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:You need to look at the facts on who set up the 'White helmets', and where they get their funding from...

And ask yourself why they are only operating in terrorist controlled areas of Syria...!?

Still waiting for you to answer MY questions...!?

Well...?

What facts?

Are they the only group?

Are you that easiy controlled?

Maybe yuou should ask why only this group is able to report and how Syria denies all other human rightss groups

I mean, did you even ask yourself that question, where they are allowed elsewhere?

Well?

Come on Tommy?

Can you answer why they are denied?

I mean all these groups are allowed in Israel and denounced Israel

Syria denies all of them access

Oh dear, dont you look a dummy

Still waiting Tommy

by Tommy Monk Sat Jul 28, 2018 4:22 am

Tommy Monk wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:You need to look at the facts on who set up the 'White helmets', and where they get their funding from...

And ask yourself why they are only operating in terrorist controlled areas of Syria...!?

Still waiting for you to answer MY questions...!?

Well...?

Still waiting for you to answer MY questions...!

Do you know the answers...?

Or are you ignorant of the facts...?

Well...?

Still waiting..........

by Guest Sat Jul 28, 2018 4:24 am

Didge wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:

Still waiting for you to answer MY questions...!

Do you know the answers...?

Or are you ignorant of the facts...?

Well...?

You want to know why Syrian humanitarians are only operating in Syria?

Seriously?

This is all parts that the Syrian Governement and rebel groups attacked

How many rebel groups are there in Syria?

See how you make a play at words and say all terrorists?

They helped civillians in many areas wounded by war, where the Syrian governement did nothing to help but instead did the opposite

Is helping children, being bombed, helping terrorists to you?

Maybe you class children as terrorists

Is it a case you are ignorant period?

And already answered

You see Tommy always runs away from questions

Laughing

by Guest Sat Jul 28, 2018 4:30 am

And now for the coup de grace in Tommy's poor argument

Where he claims they are ISIS

Maybe he can explain the following?

For years, Syria’s civil defence workers have been subjected to a vicious online propaganda campaign by the “electronic armies” of the Assad regime and Russia. The digital offensive accelerated following a 2016 Netflix documentary that was cited as evidence of “western bias in the Syrian conflict”.

What is little known, however, is the countless times these workers, known as the White Helmets, have saved civilians from the rubble of airstrikes launched not by the Syrian regime or Russia, but by the US-led coalition.

While the majority of US attacks in Syria have targeted areas under the control of Islamic State (Isis) – areas in which the White Helmets are not allowed to operate – there have also been dozens of US airstrikes on rebel-held territories, which have been vastly under-reported.

The White Helmets once operated in a much wider stretch of Syria than the areas they later became associated with, including Raqqa and Deir ez-Zor. But in 2014 the group’s volunteers were expelled from vast swathes of territories by Isis.

“The organisation made a lot of problems for them, as they viewed them as subservient to the west, to infidels,” said Al-Abdullah. “They all fled. The organisation did not recognise something called ‘civilians.’”

For Al-Abdullah, it was a missed opportunity for the documentation of possible war crimes by the US-led coalition. “The massacres that happened in those areas were many, and they passed without any visual documentation or videos. This was extremely damaging, and we wish we could have documented it.”

After Isis were expelled, the White Helmets returned to some areas retaken by the Turkey-backed Free Syrian Army, said Al-Abdullah.

However, they continued to be exiled from the vast majority of recaptured territories by the rival, US-backed Syrian Democratic Forces. In other words, the alleged US “proxies” continued to live in exile from many of their home towns and villages, under the nose of the US military.

In 2015, advocacy group the Syria Campaign launched a asking for the White Helmets to be provided with radar information held by the US-led coalition which could help warn of Syrian regime airstrikesin advance. According to Al-Abdullah, the petition achieved a “high level of engagement”, but “was of no use whatsoever”.

Ultimately, sparse coverage of what life is like in areas that have come under US bombardment – areas that, overwhelmingly, happened to be the centres of popular protest against the regime in 2011 – means there is virtually no awareness of how local populations have been effectively punished for their Arab spring rebellion, not just by Bashar al-Assad and Isis, but also by the US-led coalition.

Without doubt, the estimated 4,000 civilians killed by the coalition, overwhelmingly in “non-regime” Syria, includes many who took to the streets in 2011.

Did Al-Abdullah know of any 2011 anti-regime protesters who were later killed by US-led airstrikes? He promptly responded by naming three friends: “Abdul Ghani Al-Hamad from the countryside of Aleppo, Mohammed Al-Abo from the countryside of Aleppo, and Mohammed Baroud from the countryside of Safira.”

The publicity campaign against the White Helmets would not deter him, he said. “We don’t care about these accusations. Practically speaking, how are we following western agendas when we are rescuing civilians from their airstrikes, as well as the regime’s and Russia’s? These are allegations that go nowhere. We will continue to rescue the people.”

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2018/may/11/supporting-the-west-no-syrias-white-helmets-are-about-saving-lives

You see this is why people like Tommy, are basically ignorant

Like I said, Tommy is easily manipulated by Putin and a war criminal Assad

by Tommy Monk Sat Jul 28, 2018 4:40 am

Tommy Monk wrote:You need to look at the facts on who set up the 'White helmets', and where they get their funding from...

And ask yourself why they are only operating in terrorist controlled areas of Syria...!?

Still waiting for you to answer MY questions...!?

Well...?

by Guest Sat Jul 28, 2018 4:46 am

Tommy Monk wrote:You need to look at the facts on who set up the 'White helmets', and where they get their funding from...

And ask yourself why they are only operating in terrorist controlled areas of Syria...!?

Still waiting for you to answer MY questions...!?

Well...?

lol oh dear, Tommy is doing his desperation trick, ha ha ha

I asnwered and now he continues to run away from my questions

You want to know why Syrian humanitarians are only operating in Syria?

Seriously?

This is all parts that the Syrian Governement and rebel groups attacked

How many rebel groups are there in Syria?

See how you make a play at words and say all terrorists?

They helped civillians in many areas wounded by war, where the Syrian governement did nothing to help but instead did the opposite

Is helping children, being bombed, helping terrorists to you?

Maybe you class children as terrorists

Is it a case you are ignorant period?

So

What facts?

Are they the only group?

Are you that easiy controlled?

Maybe you should ask why only this group is able to report and how Syria denies all other human rights groups?

I mean, did you even ask yourself that question, where they are allowed elsewhere?

Well?

Come on Tommy?

Can you answer why they are denied?

I mean all these groups are allowed in Israel and denounced Israel

Syria denies all of them access

Oh dear, dont you look a dummy

What I want to know is Tommy is his

How about you actually show me some actual evidence

You think Israel helps people that want to wipe them out

How badly do you buy into antismetic bullshit?

Seriously

The russians and Syrians have spouted crap that the west created ISIS.

Do you believe that?

Seriously?

Now more damning evidence to make Tommy look stupid

The multiple incidents created some tension with Russia, which sent its foreign minister and its chief of staff here this week to discuss the day after the Assad regime reconquers the Golan. The Russians weren’t happy with Israel’s involvement in extracting members of the White Helmets from Syria; the rescue organization revealed information about Russia’s brutal air strikes, and has therefore been the target of a venomous Russian propaganda campaign. Moscow also complained about the downing of the Sukhoi, until Israel disproved its claim that the jet hadn’t entered Israeli territory.

But Russia did like Israel’s air strike on the Islamic State in response to the Katyusha fire. The head of Russia’s forces in Syria even issued an appreciative press statement.

Yet another of the endless atrocities in Syria occurred this week less than 100 kilometers from Israel’s border. The Assad regime’s offensive in the Golan drove out several groups affiliated with the Islamic State, and instead of heading for the organization’s southern enclave, they went east and launched a coordinated assault on the city of Sweida, in the heart of Syria’s Druze region. The radical Sunni terrorists, who view the Druze as heretics, slaughtered them with suicide bombers, car bombs and gunfire. They also reportedly abducted around 10 Druze, some of them women.

Some of the Islamic State members who were taken alive were hung from electricity pylons.

The Druze suspect the Assad regime of contributing to the slaughter. Syrian President Bashar Assad didn’t like the way the Druze sat on the fence during the civil war. In recent weeks, as part of the regime’s offensive in southern Syria, it divested the Druze militias of most of their arms. Thus when the Islamic State attacked, the Druze were left almost defenseless.

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-russia-didn-t-like-israel-s-white-helmets-op-but-loved-strike-on-isis-1.6316769

So Tommy, why is the IDF helping the white helmets escape. If as you believe they are ISIS?

lol!

by Guest Sat Jul 28, 2018 4:52 am

by Guest Sat Jul 28, 2018 5:01 am

Now is Tommy claiming the Uk is aiding and abetting ISIS. As he claims they are ISIS?

Britain, EU praise Israel for evacuating Syrian volunteers

After a secret one-of-its kind evacuation operation, the IDF evacuates 422 Syrian White Helmets activists; Britain, among others, praises Israel; 'Thank you Israel and Jordan for acting so quickly on our request,' tweets British Foreign Secretary Jeremy Hunt.

Britain and the European Union praised Israel for the overnight evacuation of hundreds of Syrian rescue workers, known as the "White Helmets" , from their location near the volatile frontier with Syria, in a complex and first-of-a-kind operation.

Jordan's Foreign Minister Ayman Safadi said 422 White Helmets volunteers were evacuated, instead of the initial 800 cleared for the operation. Israel's military said the overnight operation was "an exceptional humanitarian gesture" at the request of the United States and European allies due to an "immediate threat to (Syrians) lives."

Britain hailed the evacuation, saying it and other allies had requested it.

"Fantastic news that we— UK and friends—have secured evacuation of White Helmets and their families. thank you Israel and Jordan for acting so quickly on our request," tweeted British Foreign Secretary Jeremy Hunt.

European Foreign Policy Chief Federica Mogherini said in a statement that “The EU recognizes the essential efforts of Israel and Jordan, and of all others—including several EU Member States—who contributed to bringing the White Helmets and their families to safety.”

A Canadian Foreign Ministry statement on Saturday said the White Helmets "have witnessed vicious atrocities committed by the Assad regime and its backers." It added, "We feel a deep moral responsibility to these brave and selfless people."

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu issued a video statement saying US Failing Cheeto-Faced Ferret-Wearing Shit Gibbon, Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and others had asked him to help evacuate the group's members.

"These are people who saved lives and whose lives are now in danger. I authorized bringing them through Israel to other countries as an important humanitarian gesture," Netanyahu said.

https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-5314596,00.html

I mean how much more is Tommy going to be a traitor and puppet for the Russians and a war criminal in Assad?

I mean the west is fighting against ISIS and are saving the white Helmets

How does Tommy come to terms with the fact he believes the Russians, over his own people, the British people?

lol!

by Guest Sat Jul 28, 2018 5:10 am

Now I have shown countless facts to dispove Tommy here

Who on here voted and will admit what they voted for?

Can they then back their reasons for their vote?

I voted they are a humanitarian group

Only one backed Tommy's view with answer number 6

I think I know who also this conspiracy led person is

Lets see how honest she is.... Laughing

Can she also reason her views or continue to hide in the backround....?

Maybe David Icke, her Prophet, can advise her here

lol!

by 'Wolfie Sat Jul 28, 2018 10:57 am

I voted 1) the same as the Dodger on this particular question...

Mainly on the basis that so far the only "evidence" to back the "terrorism/ISIS" claims and rumours are coming from the Assad&Russia corner -- with as yet no actual verifiable proof being presented among those claims..

The Tommy/gelico/et al propaganda machine must do better, if they want to convince others around here.

Cool

by Guest Sat Jul 28, 2018 11:39 am

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:

I voted 1) the same as the Dodger on this particular question...

Mainly on the basis that so far the only "evidence" to back the "terrorism/ISIS" claims and rumours are coming from the Assad&Russia corner -- with as yet no actual verifiable proof being presented among those claims..

The Tommy/gelico/et al propaganda machine must do better, if they want to convince others around here.

Exactly, we sadly have two traitors who buy more into what the Russians say, and a war criminal, than what their own country says. Both also being Brexiters

The irony is both are bat shiot crazy when it comes to conspiracies

One thinks there is a new world order, no doubt think the world is led by Lizard men also

lol!

And do you know why they do?

Fear

They are controlled by fearful and negative emotions. What they cannot understand. They have to create fanatasies.

ISIS is real, but they invent bullshit about a "New World Order". To help explain their fears. Ignoring the fact. That there is in countless countries where hundreds of Islamist terrorist attacks happen each year. Which has gone on unabated since the dawn of Islam and even with Christianity and Judaism. There has been terrorism and barbarism

As maybe they should learn to read about the Zealots

by Tommy Monk Sat Jul 28, 2018 3:41 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:You need to look at the facts on who set up the 'White helmets', and where they get their funding from...

And ask yourself why they are only operating in terrorist controlled areas of Syria...!?

Still waiting for you to answer MY questions...!?

Well...?

Still not answered my questions dodge...!!!

by Guest Sat Jul 28, 2018 4:36 pm

Didge wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:You need to look at the facts on who set up the 'White helmets', and where they get their funding from...

And ask yourself why they are only operating in terrorist controlled areas of Syria...!?

Still waiting for you to answer MY questions...!?

Well...?

lol oh dear, Tommy is doing his desperation trick, ha ha ha

I asnwered and now he continues to run away from my questions

You want to know why Syrian humanitarians are only operating in Syria?

Seriously?

This is all parts that the Syrian Governement and rebel groups attacked

How many rebel groups are there in Syria?

See how you make a play at words and say all terrorists?

They helped civillians in many areas wounded by war, where the Syrian governement did nothing to help but instead did the opposite

Is helping children, being bombed, helping terrorists to you?

Maybe you class children as terrorists

Is it a case you are ignorant period?

So

What facts?

Are they the only group?

Are you that easiy controlled?

Maybe you should ask why only this group is able to report and how Syria denies all other human rights groups?

I mean, did you even ask yourself that question, where they are allowed elsewhere?

Well?

Come on Tommy?

Can you answer why they are denied?

I mean all these groups are allowed in Israel and denounced Israel

Syria denies all of them access

Oh dear, dont you look a dummy

What I want to know is Tommy is his

How about you actually show me some actual evidence

You think Israel helps people that want to wipe them out

How badly do you buy into antismetic bullshit?

Seriously

The russians and Syrians have spouted crap that the west created ISIS.

Do you believe that?

Seriously?

Now more damning evidence to make Tommy look stupid

The multiple incidents created some tension with Russia, which sent its foreign minister and its chief of staff here this week to discuss the day after the Assad regime reconquers the Golan. The Russians weren’t happy with Israel’s involvement in extracting members of the White Helmets from Syria; the rescue organization revealed information about Russia’s brutal air strikes, and has therefore been the target of a venomous Russian propaganda campaign. Moscow also complained about the downing of the Sukhoi, until Israel disproved its claim that the jet hadn’t entered Israeli territory.

But Russia did like Israel’s air strike on the Islamic State in response to the Katyusha fire. The head of Russia’s forces in Syria even issued an appreciative press statement.

Yet another of the endless atrocities in Syria occurred this week less than 100 kilometers from Israel’s border. The Assad regime’s offensive in the Golan drove out several groups affiliated with the Islamic State, and instead of heading for the organization’s southern enclave, they went east and launched a coordinated assault on the city of Sweida, in the heart of Syria’s Druze region. The radical Sunni terrorists, who view the Druze as heretics, slaughtered them with suicide bombers, car bombs and gunfire. They also reportedly abducted around 10 Druze, some of them women.

Some of the Islamic State members who were taken alive were hung from electricity pylons.

The Druze suspect the Assad regime of contributing to the slaughter. Syrian President Bashar Assad didn’t like the way the Druze sat on the fence during the civil war. In recent weeks, as part of the regime’s offensive in southern Syria, it divested the Druze militias of most of their arms. Thus when the Islamic State attacked, the Druze were left almost defenseless.

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-russia-didn-t-like-israel-s-white-helmets-op-but-loved-strike-on-isis-1.6316769

So Tommy, why is the IDF helping the white helmets escape. If as you believe they are ISIS?

by Guest Sat Jul 28, 2018 4:41 pm

I mean how many times is Tommy going to run awy from my points and questions?

Seriously????????

Laughing

by Tommy Monk Sat Jul 28, 2018 5:12 pm

Where have you answered my questions?

by Guest Sat Jul 28, 2018 5:19 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:Where have you answered my questions?

Seriously?

by Tommy Monk Sat Jul 28, 2018 6:24 pm

Yes... seriously!!!

I asked my questions first, and you still haven't answered them... although I answered some of the questions you asked me after I'd asked you my questions...!

Now... I'll try again...

Who set up the 'white helmets'...?

Where do they get their funding from...?

And why do they only operate in terrorist controlled areas...?

lol!

by Guest Sat Jul 28, 2018 6:31 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:Yes... seriously!!!

I asked my questions first, and you still haven't answered them... although I answered some of the questions you asked me after I'd asked you my questions...!

Now... I'll try again...

Who set up the 'white helmets'...?

Where do they get their funding from...?

And why do they only operate in terrorist controlled areas...?

Here you go mate

All the answers you need

https://www.whitehelmets.org/en

Laughing

Well we already debunked that you think they are ISIS, when they do not operate in ISIS areas

And you claimed I was a puppet for ISIS

Opps

Laughing

I love a prize idiot, and Tommy is such a prize

Now I have answered your questions time and time again

Maybe you think Amnesty international is a terrorist organisation, when they help civillians in conflict zones.

As that is what you are suggesting

Take your time on that and whilst you are at it, how about actually answering my points and questions

lol!

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