2017 WAS the hottest on record.

by Andy Fri Jan 19, 2018 8:43 am

And it has taken natural events such as el Nino into account.

No doubt. No controversy.

Just fact.

http://dailym.ai/2FQC3Fz

So Stench Skunk and Tommy can stick this up their arses.

by 'Wolfie Fri Jan 19, 2018 12:16 pm

2017 WAS the hottest on record. 474684931

We can now await Tommy, Smellykins, Deano and their motley little denialists club to start c&p'ing the best of the Koch Bros. and Non-Lordy Christopher Monckton's tired old anti-climate/anti-science propaganda fest...

by Vintage Fri Jan 19, 2018 2:10 pm

Maybe it was, the only thing I can say that the temperature around my location hardly reached normal summer temps and the winter was is so far is a cold one - with snow. I would guess that if people don't actually experience a warmer climate where they are they just could be a bit a suspicious of the fcats and figures.

by Tommy Monk Fri Jan 19, 2018 3:11 pm

Maybe hand shandy can tell us when these records began...?

Compared to how long humans have been on the planet...?

And then maybe he could tell us how accurate and geographically widespread the measurements are now, compared to 50 years ago, 100 years ago, and 150 years ago...!?

And then maybe he can explain why scientific research has shown that over the majority of the last 8000 years, the temp has been warmer or as warm as it is now...!?

by nicko Fri Jan 19, 2018 4:42 pm

I'm bloody frozen !

by Syl Fri Jan 19, 2018 6:03 pm

No one bothered to tell Manchester to warm up.
2017 was miserable, apart from a few warm sunny days around April, and a hotter spell in June, May, July and August were cloudy and cool.

by Vintage Fri Jan 19, 2018 10:54 pm

I think a lot of people wonder how thewhole planet has apparently warmed up, yet their small section has below average temperatures for summer = Andy?

by Maddog Fri Jan 19, 2018 10:59 pm

Syl wrote:No one bothered to tell Manchester to warm up.
2017 was miserable, apart from a few warm sunny days around April, and a hotter spell in June, May, July and August were cloudy and cool.

You don't get the El Nino there. Cool

by Cass Fri Jan 19, 2018 11:53 pm

It’s been frigging boiling here.

by Maddog Fri Jan 19, 2018 11:56 pm

Cass wrote:It’s been frigging boiling here.

That's the El Nino.

We have had some stupid cold weather here. Not that either of those events prove or disprove Global Warming.

I'm a skeptic, but I think we should be mindful of the planet. We only have one. Laughing

by veya_victaous Sat Jan 20, 2018 3:11 am

well it's 40C down here today sunny

by 'Wolfie Sat Jan 20, 2018 3:18 am

Vintage wrote:
I think a lot of people wonder how thewhole planet has apparently warmed up, yet their small section has below average temperatures for summer = Andy?

That's why the discussion these days is on accelerated "climate change"...

Where "global warming" and "local cooling events" are actually two sides of the same coin...

"Global warming" is concerned with accelerated rates of rising average temperatures over the last couple of centuries; whereas more localised and short term warming and cooling weather events are only part of the longer term patterns..

And all the while, the ice caps are gradually shrinking, the glaciers are disappearing, winters are shorter and warmer, and agriculture, fishing and forestry are having to adapt faster to ever-changing conditions.

And many countries keep on cutting down forests at a much faster rate than they replant them..

by Cass Sat Jan 20, 2018 3:25 am

Maddog wrote:
Cass wrote:It’s been frigging boiling here.

That's the El Nino.

We have had some stupid cold weather here. Not that either of those events prove or disprove Global Warming.

I'm a skeptic, but I think we should be mindful of the planet. We only have one.

I know. I told it to bugger off already. Getting a mini storm through the weekend. Hope to get some rain at least.

by Cass Sat Jan 20, 2018 3:26 am

veya_victaous wrote:well it's 40C down here today

THat will be us in June through September Crying or Very sad

by 'Wolfie Sat Jan 20, 2018 3:29 am

Tommy Monk wrote:
Maybe hand shandy can tell us when these records began...?

Why should he ?

Compared to how long humans have been on the planet...?

More irrelevant waffle from Tommy..

And then maybe he could tell us how accurate and geographically widespread the measurements are now, compared to 50 years ago, 100 years ago, and 150 years ago...!?

Stop deflecting, Tommy, and debate the actual facts.

And then maybe he can explain why scientific research has shown that over the majority of the last 8000 years, the temp has been warmer or as warm as it is now...!?

It hasn't though, Tommy -- you simply keep on 'cherry picking' nonsense to fit your denialist agenda...

by Tommy Monk Sat Jan 20, 2018 5:02 am

Important to know the facts, to consider the accuracy of these facts, and also to consider the perspective & context etc...

And what I say about last 8000 years is true... check it out for yourself...!

Put up a graph showing different if you can...?

by Guest Sat Jan 20, 2018 8:57 am

Tommy Monk wrote:Important to know the facts, to consider the accuracy of these facts, and also to consider the perspective & context etc...

And what I say about last 8000 years is true... check it out for yourself...!

Put up a graph showing different if you can...?

Are you an idiot?

by Guest Sat Jan 20, 2018 9:07 am

Wonder how long it will take for Tommy to realise what a dick he has been here.

Taking bets

by Andy Sat Jan 20, 2018 9:35 am

As I said,Didge, my link proves without doubt global warming IS msn made. Tommy is flailing around in the swamp of his own stupidity, vainly trying to justify his now rather ludicrous stance.

I have posted the FACTUAL AND SCIENTIFIC link.
Tommy needs to crayon in some lines on a piece of loo paper to counter it.

by Andy Sat Jan 20, 2018 9:37 am

Oh,and Tommy,the Earth is flat and the moon is made of cheese.

I got that from Tommypaedia..

by Tommy Monk Sat Jan 20, 2018 4:30 pm

So... no answers to my questions then...!?

by nicko Sat Jan 20, 2018 5:00 pm

Man made or not, it's still bleeding freezing here.

by Ben Reilly Sat Jan 20, 2018 6:51 pm

Really, the two best ways to gauge the effects of global warming on any particular region are to look at when the seasons begin and end, and to look at plant and animal species migrating in and out.

Winter has been getting shorter every year in Texas, and often milder. Last year we barely had a winter. This season, we didn't get a day with a high temperature below 50 until Christmas Eve. Today's high is going to be 72.

The familiar Texas armadillo is being spotted as far north as Kansas -- at least 500 miles north of its original habitat.

by Ben Reilly Sat Jan 20, 2018 6:52 pm

Meant to add, whatever temperature it is today is practically meaningless. You have to look at the length of seasons.

by Maddog Sat Jan 20, 2018 7:30 pm

Ben Reilly wrote:Really, the two best ways to gauge the effects of global warming on any particular region are to look at when the seasons begin and end, and to look at plant and animal species migrating in and out.

Winter has been getting shorter every year in Texas, and often milder. Last year we barely had a winter. This season, we didn't get a day with a high temperature below 50 until Christmas Eve. Today's high is going to be 72.

The familiar Texas armadillo is being spotted as far north as Kansas -- at least 500 miles north of its original habitat.

Texas, wasn't the armadillo's original habitat either, and it moved here long before global warming "started".

by eddie Sat Jan 20, 2018 8:11 pm

veya_victaous wrote:well it's 40C down here today

It’s raining here. Rolling Eyes

by Vintage Sat Jan 20, 2018 8:49 pm

Climate change is not man made and we can't stop it, its happened before humans in their present form ever lit a campfire , although I don't dispute we are adding to the problem.
18,000 or so years ago a lot of the planet was covered in ice, humans barely survived. In Roman times, in Britain anyway grapes were grown in the north, in 800 and something there were about 30 years or so of cold wet weather, in Tudor times the Thames froze enough for fairs to be held on the ice etc.
Some of this might have been due to volcanoes ie the cold dark wet times but the warmer periods, how are they accounted for, the population of the workld was much less so it wasn't the carbon doixide from camp fires, industrialisation had yet to come in the distant future.

by 'Wolfie Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:19 am

Vintage wrote:
Climate change is not man made and we can't stop it, its happened before humans in their present form ever lit a campfire , although I don't dispute we are adding to the problem.
18,000 or so years ago a lot of the planet was covered in ice, humans barely survived. In Roman times, in Britain anyway grapes were grown in the north, in 800 and something there were about 30 years or so of cold wet weather, in Tudor times the Thames froze enough for fairs to be held on the ice etc.
Some of this might have been due to volcanoes ie the cold dark wet times but the warmer periods, how are they accounted for, the population of the workld was much less so it wasn't the carbon doixide from camp fires, industrialisation had yet to come in the distant future.

Irrespective of what the non-scientists are stating and mis-representing in everyday conversations, or what the polluters themselves are lying about in their regular propaganda releases, the real world scientists and researchers aren't claiming that "climate change is totally man made"...

What they are pointing out, time and again, against well-orchestrated mining and oil company-funded lobbying, is that increasing industrial activity and pollution (especially carbon rich fossil fuel emissions, and food production wastes..), allied with rampant de-forrestation and messing up the oceans, over these last couple of centuries, is accelerating the rate of climate change globally..

As seen with rising average temperatures, shifting rainfall patterns, extended droughts, more severe winter storms, more frequent cyclone and hurricane activity, and fiercer bushfires.

If mankind doesn't clean up its act over the next couple of decades, plus greatly extend tree--planting and reforrestation efforts, then humanity may not even be here in another 2,000 years,
when the next long-term cyclical "cooling period" will come around..

The planet will survive for a few billion more years, as it has done several times before -- but any remnants of mankind remaining then may well be back living in caves...

by Tommy Monk Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:38 am

Ben Reilly wrote:Really, the two best ways to gauge the effects of global warming on any particular region are to look at when the seasons begin and end, and to look at plant and animal species migrating in and out.

Winter has been getting shorter every year in Texas, and often milder. Last year we barely had a winter. This season, we didn't get a day with a high temperature below 50 until Christmas Eve. Today's high is going to be 72.

The familiar Texas armadillo is being spotted as far north as Kansas -- at least 500 miles north of its original habitat.

That's not 'global warming'... that's just normal nature...

by Guest Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:40 am

Tommy Monk wrote:

So... no answers to my questions then...!?

What did you fuck up on?

Think

by Tommy Monk Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:51 am

Didge wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:

So... no answers to my questions then...!?

What did you fuck up on?

Think

You are the one saying that I fukked up...

So, you tell me...!?

by Guest Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:52 am

Tommy Monk wrote:
Didge wrote:

What did you fuck up on?

Think

You are the one saying that I fukked up...

So, you tell me...!?

Your claim to facts

What is this about?

Think

by Guest Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:57 am

Going to help Tommy

2017 WAS the hottest on record. 1408

Total solar irradiance data (red) and linear trend (orange) since 1950 from the Laboratory for Atmospheric and Space Physics Solar Irradiance Data Center at the University of Colorado. Illustration: Dana Nuccitelli

In terms of El Niño and solar temperature influences, 2017 thus far has been most similar to 2006, but 2017 has been 0.3°C hotter than 2006 as well.
2017 WAS the hottest on record. 1408

Global average surface temperature data from the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies. Illustration: Dana Nuccitelli

by Guest Sun Jan 21, 2018 2:07 am

I will look in tomorrow and see if Tommy finally can understand science.

Night everyone

Laughing

by Tommy Monk Sun Jan 21, 2018 2:18 am

Didge... I am not a mind reader... and even if I was... I wouldn't want to go anywhere near starting to try and wade through that boggy quagmire of festering putridity of yours, that you mistake for a mind...!

So... you think I fukked up... it's up to you to explain...!?

by Guest Sun Jan 21, 2018 2:38 am

Tommy Monk wrote:Didge... I am not a mind reader... and even if I was... I wouldn't want to go anywhere near starting to try and wade through that boggy quagmire of festering putridity of yours, that you mistake for a mind...!

So... you think I fukked up... it's up to you to explain...!?

Well its n o surprise being as you are quite dumb

I shall say two words

"on record"

Think

by Guest Sun Jan 21, 2018 2:40 am

Lets see if Tommy can figure this out.

I very much doubt it.

And its going to be so much fun

Laughing

I really have to go

Stay tuned

by 'Wolfie Sun Jan 21, 2018 3:19 am

Maddog wrote:
Ben Reilly wrote:Really, the two best ways to gauge the effects of global warming on any particular region are to look at when the seasons begin and end, and to look at plant and animal species migrating in and out.

Winter has been getting shorter every year in Texas, and often milder. Last year we barely had a winter. This season, we didn't get a day with a high temperature below 50 until Christmas Eve. Today's high is going to be 72.

The familiar Texas armadillo is being spotted as far north as Kansas -- at least 500 miles north of its original habitat.

Texas, wasn't the armadillo's original habitat either, and it moved here long before global warming "started".

Technically, the current long-term upward warming trend in global temp's "started" roughly 10,000 years ago, at the end of the last proper serious Ice Age (none of Tommy's bullshit "mini ice age" propaganda -- as those short-term abnormal cooling periods were not genuine ice ages..).

Literally, we are still at the "tail end" of that last ice age (as witnessed with the ice caps, and remaining glaciers), where the next natural long term "cooling period" would have been due in another 2,000 to 2200 years, when long term trends would have then been downwards over a few thousand years into the next genuine long term ice age. Current accelerating climate change rates though, now means that allowances, adaptations and corrections have to happen soon, or humanity may not be around by then..

Two things are of immediate and urgent importance with current global climate -- First off, sharply accelerated global warming, due largely to man's increasing industrial activity over the past few centuries, along with increasing urbanisation, fossil-fuelled transportation a d more intensive farming practices..

And secondly, increasing deforestation and increasing damage to the oceans' phytoplankton -- removing and slowly reducing the two largest natural carbon sinks, while increasing the amount of bare earth and concrete available to soak up solar radiation. And then there's the part that trees play in generating rainfall and circulating water, as well as shading the ground..

Over 25% of the world's tree cover has been removed through mans' activities, just over the last couple of centuries alone...

So, even if the worse predictions don't eventuate, at least it won't be wasted money -- as man has already polluted and stuffed up the Earth to such extent, that it is already way overdue for a bit of a cleanup and restoration..

And if the worse does come to pass, than the descendants of the denialists' corner with the likes of Tommy, Maddog, vintage and Smelly' will be cursing their ancestors for arguing against reality, and effectively destroying mankinds' future on this planet.

by Ben Reilly Sun Jan 21, 2018 5:42 am

Tommy Monk wrote:Didge... I am not a mind reader... and even if I was... I wouldn't want to go anywhere near starting to try and wade through that boggy quagmire of festering putridity of yours, that you mistake for a mind...!

So... you think I fukked up... it's up to you to explain...!?

You know what? Fuck off, because Didge is thinking a lot more clearly than you. You just believe whatever you want to believe. It's probably really nice, driving toward the edge of a cliff and being able to tell yourself you're perfectly safe.

by nicko Sun Jan 21, 2018 7:26 am

Meanwhile, I'm still freezing,. and no one gives a fuck !

by 'Wolfie Sun Jan 21, 2018 7:42 am

nicko wrote:
Meanwhile, I'm still freezing,. and no one gives a fuck !

Put on another jumper...

Grab a big warm blanket..

And make yourself a hot toddy, with a spoonful of honey added to it.
2017 WAS the hottest on record. 2097912929

2017 WAS the hottest on record. 2097912929

by nicko Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:26 am

I put on a thick jumper, now the Cat keeps "treading it" and wants to lie on it !

by JulesV Sun Jan 21, 2018 7:02 pm

nicko wrote:I'm bloody frozen !

Why is that, nicko? Are you OK now? xxx

by Maddog Sun Jan 21, 2018 7:07 pm

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:
Maddog wrote:

Texas, wasn't the armadillo's original habitat either, and it moved here long before global warming "started".

Technically, the current long-term upward warming trend in global temp's "started" roughly 10,000 years ago, at the end of the last proper serious Ice Age (none of Tommy's bullshit "mini ice age" propaganda -- as those short-term abnormal cooling periods were not genuine ice ages..).

Literally, we are still at the "tail end" of that last ice age (as witnessed with the ice caps, and remaining glaciers), where the next natural long term "cooling period" would have been due in another 2,000 to 2200 years, when long term trends would have then been downwards over a few thousand years into the next genuine long term ice age. Current accelerating climate change rates though, now means that allowances, adaptations and corrections have to happen soon, or humanity may not be around by then..

Two things are of immediate and urgent importance with current global climate -- First off, sharply accelerated global warming, due largely to man's increasing industrial activity over the past few centuries, along with increasing urbanisation, fossil-fuelled transportation a d more intensive farming practices..

And secondly, increasing deforestation and increasing damage to the oceans' phytoplankton -- removing and slowly reducing the two largest natural carbon sinks, while increasing the amount of bare earth and concrete available to soak up solar radiation. And then there's the part that trees play in generating rainfall and circulating water, as well as shading the ground..

Over 25% of the world's tree cover has been removed through mans' activities, just over the last couple of centuries alone...

So, even if the worse predictions don't eventuate, at least it won't be wasted money -- as man has already polluted and stuffed up the Earth to such extent, that it is already way overdue for a bit of a cleanup and restoration..

And if the worse does come to pass, than the descendants of the denialists' corner with the likes of Tommy, Maddog, vintage and Smelly' will be cursing their ancestors for arguing against reality, and effectively destroying mankinds' future on this planet.

Maddog wrote:I'm a skeptic, but I think we should be mindful of the planet. We only have one

by JulesV Sun Jan 21, 2018 7:10 pm

To keep warm, remember to always have sufficient fluids inside you. Attend to thirst promptly. Cos ...

You can never get really warm when dehydrated. Think of your blood vessels as a network of pipes in a central heating system - they need enough fluid inside them, to spread heat from the boiler to outer areas. Without water in the radiators the central heating can't function.

People always say ''have warm drinks'' to fend off hypothermia ... but even a cold drink is better than nothing at all.

by Cass Sun Jan 21, 2018 7:18 pm

I’m happy to report that it’s only 7.2 degrees Celsius here today and it’s bloody lovely. Had the doors open for some fresh air. Sad to report that Mr. C’s golf game was broken off after 9 holes. Sad 2017 WAS the hottest on record. 3489511464

2017 WAS the hottest on record. 3489511464

by Maddog Sun Jan 21, 2018 7:23 pm

Cass wrote:I’m happy to report that it’s only 7.2 degrees Celsius here today and it’s bloody lovely. Had the doors open for some fresh air. Sad to report that Mr. C’s golf game was broken off after 9 holes. Sad

It's pretty warm here today, but a few days ago it was so cold that Texas used 5% more electricity than it had ever used before. Thankfully, we had no rolling brownouts like they do in California. There are 3 electrical grids in the US. Texas has its own so we don't suffer when other regions screw up. Wink

by Syl Sun Jan 21, 2018 7:29 pm

Well we just got home and it is 1.5c....snow on the hills, rain lower down...and frankly BLEEDING HORRIBLE.

by nicko Sun Jan 21, 2018 8:21 pm

I take Warfarin, it thins the blood, perhaps that why I feel the cold?

by Tommy Monk Sun Jan 21, 2018 8:43 pm

Didge wrote:Lets see if Tommy can figure this out.

I very much doubt it.

And its going to be so much fun

I really have to go

Stay tuned

Didge... you think I fukked up... it's up to you to explain...!?

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