Both my comments are true... or are they...?

Tommy Monk wrote:

Lurker wrote:A nativity scene for Trump supporters, no refugees, no Jews, no Arabs, no Blacks.

Not sure about that... but there were definitely no Muslims back then...

Rather ODD, how you'll start your post with a 'not sure', but then you quickly followed that up with a "but there were definitely no Muslims back then!" statement ...Sweet Jesus     Tommykins, still proving that lack of reading and just sticking your neck out to get it chopped off! 

10. Islam: Islam is the one of the oldest religion of the world that was brought by the Holy Prophet PBUH. It is the monotheistic religion in which the Muslims believe of the oneness of Allah Almighty and the Prophet Hood. Islam is the second major religion of the world with almost 1.5 billion followers called Muslims. The origin of the Islam was started in the 622 AD and it was spread to the whole world within a short period of time.
9. Christianity: standing next on our list is the religion called Christianity that was started in the 300 AD before the advent of Islam. It is also a monotheistic religion that was based on the teaching of the Jesus Christ. Christianity is world’s major religion with around 2.1 billion followers. The Christians believe the Jesus Christ to be the son of Allah Almighty and reserves the Holy book called Bible or New Testament.
8. Taoism: Taoism is the one of the oldest religion that arrives before the arrival of Christianity. It was actually a tradition of Chinese origin that gives the lesson of living in peace and harmony. However Taoism can also be found in the other religions and was started in the 4 to 3rd century BC.
7. Jainism: the other oldest religion of the world is the Jainism or usually called Jain Dharma and it belongs to the Indian religions. The religion teaches to be the non-violent, non- stealing, non- absolute and non- possessive. It is a philosophy of eternity that spread all across the India from the very first day of its origin, 450 BC.
6. Confucianism: it is next on our list because it is the one of the oldest religion that describes the ethical and sociopolitical teachings and is spread in the countries like China, Hong Kong, Macau, Japan, Vietnam and Singapore. The advent of this religion started in the 500 BC.
5. Shinto: it is the ethical religion that is followed in the Japan. The religion focus on the ethical values of the people of the Japan there are several types of Shinto that is practiced all over the Japan and it is the largest religion of Japan. The origin of this religion was recorded in the 8th century and is till famous.
4. Buddhism: it is another oldest and the famous religion of the world that consist of the various traditions and practices that are based on the teachings of the Gautama Buddha. The religion was started in the 6th and 4th BC that awakened the regions of China, Thailand, Japan, Korea and India with the estimated followers of 488 million throughout the world.
3. Zoroastrianism: next on our list is the religion that is among the oldest religions of the world. The religion offers the cosmogonic dualism and monotheism in the regions like Iran and India with the 2.6 million followers. The religion started in the 1000 BCE and the basic beliefs of this religion are the Good thoughts, good words and the good deeds.
2. Judaism: the Judaism is the one of the oldest religion that teaches way of life. The Jewish people follow the religion of Judaism that contains the philosophy of culture and the philosophy of monotheism. Torah is the evidence and the foundational text of the Judaism. The origin of this religion was 2000 BCE.
1. Hinduism: this religion is the oldest religion of since the evolution of human beings on Earth that was originate in 4000 to 2500 BCE. It is the dominant religion that is followed mostly in the regions of South Asia like India and Nepal. The Hinduism revolves around the family of the Gods who gave the teachings of cosmology, pilgrimage of the sacred sites and shared textual resources.
http://www.listawake.com/top-10-oldest-religions-of-the-world/

Saddam hussein and his baath party were leftie socialists!
And under his rule Iraq was relatively stable, secular and peaceful.

Tommy Monk wrote:

4EVER2 wrote:
   It's your bubble world, it's not for me to judge how you dwell in it! 
Enjoy!

Can you tell me, what exactly did I say that you think isn't true...?

B.) go do some reading before you get   yet again due to your starting point being so far from factual data as too be laughable and no where near close to TRUTH

But I won't be derailing this thread of Lurkers just because you can't manage to enjoy the TOPIC/Genre and stay on POINT!   

Tommy Monk wrote:

There is no evidence that hussein ordered the gas attack you mention...


And...


"...The Arab Socialist Baath Party, to give it its full name, was founded in Syria in the 1940s by a small group of French-educated Syrian intellectuals - Michel Aflaq, a Greek Orthodox, and Salah al-Din al-Bitar, a Sunni Muslim. The party's ideology is pan-Arab, secular nationalism..."


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/2886733.stm

b.) so your statement had 2 false thoughts: that there were no Muslims and that there were Christians!  When both Faiths started in the same region at the same time frame.  And neither took hold until AFTER DEATH {AD} not BC = before Christ. 

10. Islam: Islam is the one of the oldest religion of the world that was brought by the Holy Prophet PBUH. It is the monotheistic religion in which the Muslims believe of the oneness of Allah Almighty and the Prophet Hood. Islam is the second major religion of the world with almost 1.5 billion followers called Muslims. The origin of the Islam was started in the 622 AD and it was spread to the whole world within a short period of time.
9. Christianity: standing next on our list is the religion called Christianity that was started in the 300 AD before the advent of Islam. It is also a monotheistic religion that was based on the teaching of the Jesus Christ. Christianity is world’s major religion with around 2.1 billion followers. The Christians believe the Jesus Christ to be the son of Allah Almighty and reserves the Holy book called Bible or New Testament.

But noooooo, you allow Lord Lock Tight to do your thinking/reading/posting for you and that leaves you all of the latitude to just continue on as you do! 

Tommy Monk wrote:How can there be any Muslims around when Jesus was born?

Islam didn't start until over 600 years AFTER Jesus was born!!!




And I never said there were Christians there...

And....
"...The Arab Socialist Baath Party, to give it its full name, was founded in Syria in the 1940s by a small group of French-educated Syrian intellectuals - Michel Aflaq, a Greek Orthodox, and Salah al-Din al-Bitar, a Sunni Muslim. The party's ideology is pan-Arab, secular nationalism..."

"It's like shooting fish in a barrel!"

But just keep typing the same mistake and it's just grows in volumes ...especially when LF jumps on board in an attempt to take your side!  Always amusing! 

Tommy Monk wrote:

Stay on topic please...     Odd, how you'll try to sound so polite when it suits you; yet you've been one of the worst for derailing numerous topics since my arrival upon this community!

How can there have been Muslims around over 600 years before the invention of the Islamic faith?

Gobekli Tepe: The World’s First Temple?

Predating Stonehenge by 6,000 years, Turkey's stunning Gobekli Tepe upends the conventional view of the rise of civilization

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/gobekli-tepe-the-worlds-first-temple-83613665/

I keep poking you to READ more, to stop riding the backs of people that you want to hitch your opinions to and find out information on your own!  Good Grief, Tommykins ...there's a wide world of interesting STUFF you could be finding out about and yet you just can't be 'Free Willed' into doing any reading on your own!    

So many adult topics and ideas that we could discuss ...but you sadly have such a locked mind. 

Lurker wrote:A nativity scene for Trump supporters, no refugees, no Jews, no Arabs, no Blacks.

Tommy Monk wrote:Muslims are followers of Islam...

There were no followers of Islam before the creation of the Islamic faith...

PERFECT ...now Tommykins has resolved the evolution for all mankind; pre-bible there was NO HUMANITY ANY WHERE IN THE ENTIRE WORLD~~~    

You are a remarkable humanoid Tommykins, how do you manage to get dressed all on your own!  {{hugs}}   

Tommy Monk wrote:Simple question...


A Muslim is a follower of Islam... so how can there be any Muslims (followers of Islam) around over 600 years before the creation of Islam (the faith they follow)...?

Handy Andy wrote:Guys. People forget Tom is a genius.
Think Einstein. Hawking. Galileo. Newton.Prof. Brian Cox..Arthur C Clarke
In his own mind he is right up with them.
It must be true as he keeps telling us.

Ben Reilly wrote:Just to bring a little objectivity to this discussion:

The Christian Bible had reached more or less its current form by the fourth or fifth century. Muhammad wouldn't be born for several more centuries. Also, the Quran references Christianity, but the Bible doesn't reference Islam, another indicator that Muhammad intended to found a new religion.

A Muslim is simply someone who follows the Islamic faith. "Muslim" doesn't refer to a race or nationality. Therefore, before Islam there could be no Muslims.

It has often been suggested that the Xiongnu, mentioned in Han Dynasty records, were Proto-Turkic speakers. Although little is known for certain about the Xiongnu language(s), it seems likely that at least a considerable part of Xiongnu tribes spoke a Turkic language. However, some scholars see a possible connection with the Iranian-speaking Sakas. Some scholars believe they were probably a confederation of various ethnic and linguistic groups. Genetics research in 2003 on skeletons from 2000 year old Xiongnu necropolis in Mongolia found some individuals with DNA sequences also present in some modern-day Turks, suggesting that a Turkish component had emerged in the Xiongnu tribe at the end of the Xiongnu period.
In 2009, archaeologists found Turkic balbals which are 2000 year old.
According to another archeological and genetic study in 2010, the DNA found in three skeletons in 2000-year-old elite Xiongnu cemetery in Northeast Asia belonged to C3, D4 and R1a. The evidence of paternal R1a supports the Kurgan hypothesis for the Indo-European expansion from the Volga steppe region. As the R1a was found in Xiongnu people and the present-day people of Central Asia Analysis of skeletal remains from sites attributed to the Xiongnu provides an identification of dolichocephalic Mongoloid, ethnically distinct from neighboring populations in present-day Mongolia.
Xiongnu writing, older than Turkic, is agreed to have the earliest known Turkic alphabet, the Orkhon script. This has been argued recently using the only extant possibly Xiongu writings, the rock art of the Yinshan and Helan Mountains. It dates from the 9th millennium BCE to the 19th century, and consists mainly of engraved signs (petroglyphs) and few painted images. Excavations done during 1924–1925 in Noin-Ula kurgans located in the Selenga River in the northern Mongolian hills north of Ulan Bator produced objects with over 20 carved characters, which were either identical or very similar to the runic letters of the Turkic Orkhon script discovered in the Orkhon Valley.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkic_peoples#History 

Pre-DNA testing the only data source we had was from what the 'dirt diggers' were able to uncover ...now there are many ways of proving ones lineage - regional areas of origin etc., etc., etc.

Ben Reilly wrote:Just to bring a little objectivity to this discussion:

The Christian Bible had reached more or less its current form by the fourth or fifth century. Muhammad wouldn't be born for several more centuries. Also, the Quran references Christianity, but the Bible doesn't reference Islam, another indicator that Muhammad intended to found a new religion.

A Muslim is simply someone who follows the Islamic faith. "Muslim" doesn't refer to a race or nationality. Therefore, before Islam there could be no Muslims.

nicko wrote:Handy, why do you keep taking the piss out of tommy,surely his opinions are as valid as yours,  And he rarely retaliates with insults such as you and others do !

Tommy Monk wrote:Hand shandy... what is wrong with you...!?

There are posters on here who have blown their own trumpets, on numerous occasions, about all manner of things... and you say nothing about it...

Take Quill for example... repeatedly telling everyone how he's a top lawyer who has been involved in many high level/profile court battles, telling us all how he's a top university lecturer, telling us about the book he wrote, and about the castle he owns in Scotland etc...

We have veya repeatedly telling us how he's involved in some high level computer programming malarkey that only the best and the brightest of the highest level of top experts can even dream of doing...

Then there's Ziz who, in his short time on this forum, has repeatedly said how he was some sort of big cheese in the govt a few years ago...

Ben tells us he's a journalist...

Elmer tells us that his engineering/management and hunting skills are up there with the best...

And then there's moley (who I very much like and respect, and this is not a criticism in any way), who has told us a great number of interesting things about his achievements and involvement in many high level/profile areas...


There are many more examples I could add here...


Hand shandy says nothing about any of this...


But I mention ONCE that I scored highly on an iq test... and hand shandy doesn't stop banging on about it...


Why...?

Tommy Monk wrote:Take Quill for example... repeatedly telling everyone how he's a top lawyer who has been involved in many high level/profile court battles, telling us all how he's a top university lecturer, telling us about the book he wrote, and about the castle he owns in Scotland etc...

4EVER2 wrote:

Ben Reilly wrote:Just to bring a little objectivity to this discussion:

The Christian Bible had reached more or less its current form by the fourth or fifth century. Muhammad wouldn't be born for several more centuries. Also, the Quran references Christianity, but the Bible doesn't reference Islam, another indicator that Muhammad intended to found a new religion.

A Muslim is simply someone who follows the Islamic faith. "Muslim" doesn't refer to a race or nationality. Therefore, before Islam there could be no Muslims.

Turkic - DNA link, lots of recent written papers regarding this issue!

It has often been suggested that the Xiongnu, mentioned in Han Dynasty records, were Proto-Turkic speakers. Although little is known for certain about the Xiongnu language(s), it seems likely that at least a considerable part of Xiongnu tribes spoke a Turkic language. However, some scholars see a possible connection with the Iranian-speaking Sakas. Some scholars believe they were probably a confederation of various ethnic and linguistic groups. Genetics research in 2003 on skeletons from 2000 year old Xiongnu necropolis in Mongolia found some individuals with DNA sequences also present in some modern-day Turks, suggesting that a Turkish component had emerged in the Xiongnu tribe at the end of the Xiongnu period.
In 2009, archaeologists found Turkic balbals which are 2000 year old.
According to another archeological and genetic study in 2010, the DNA found in three skeletons in 2000-year-old elite Xiongnu cemetery in Northeast Asia belonged to C3, D4 and R1a. The evidence of paternal R1a supports the Kurgan hypothesis for the Indo-European expansion from the Volga steppe region. As the R1a was found in Xiongnu people and the present-day people of Central Asia Analysis of skeletal remains from sites attributed to the Xiongnu provides an identification of dolichocephalic Mongoloid, ethnically distinct from neighboring populations in present-day Mongolia.
Xiongnu writing, older than Turkic, is agreed to have the earliest known Turkic alphabet, the Orkhon script. This has been argued recently using the only extant possibly Xiongu writings, the rock art of the Yinshan and Helan Mountains. It dates from the 9th millennium BCE to the 19th century, and consists mainly of engraved signs (petroglyphs) and few painted images. Excavations done during 1924–1925 in Noin-Ula kurgans located in the Selenga River in the northern Mongolian hills north of Ulan Bator produced objects with over 20 carved characters, which were either identical or very similar to the runic letters of the Turkic Orkhon script discovered in the Orkhon Valley.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkic_peoples#History 

Pre-DNA testing the only data source we had was from what the 'dirt diggers' were able to uncover ...now there are many ways of proving ones lineage - regional areas of origin etc., etc., etc.

But there's a lot of great information in just that one single link, if one is interest in broadening the mind!

4EVER2 wrote:Tommy Monk wrote:

Lurker wrote:A nativity scene for Trump supporters, no refugees, no Jews, no Arabs, no Blacks.

Not sure about that... but there were definitely no Muslims back then...

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A.) you seem to not comprehend the difference between a human and a tribal name - their demographical region that they lived - and when they became known as that written worded NAME = Muslim
B.) you seem unable to separate the faith from when the HUMAN LIFE FORM existed and therein lies the crux of your deeply seated problem

Muslims existed long - LONG before there were even attributed with the written word Muslim ...they existed long - long before the thought of baby Jesus and the onset of early Christianity. 

You took a sarcastic jab at 'Cheeto-Jesus' and his anti-every human being that isn't WHITE LIKE HIM and tried to make a asinine remark that just wasn't TRUE. 
Now you either understand the huge error in your post or YOU NEVER WILL.  But I am done trying to aide you with your confusion! 

Original Quill wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:Take Quill for example... repeatedly telling everyone how he's a top lawyer who has been involved in many high level/profile court battles, telling us all how he's a top university lecturer, telling us about the book he wrote, and about the castle he owns in Scotland etc...

As far as the castle goes, it's more mine than yours, right?  It's owned by a family trust, and I have served that trust in several capacities.



Tommy, you're jealous.  I would have thought you were more secure than that.  Having two doctorates and teaching in universities is not that unusual in my world.  Call it continuing professional education.

I have told you my background only to qualify my opinions and experience in debating certain points.  It's done to provide a basis, not to impress you.  Obviously, I'm only going to go so far; I'm not going to arm the identity thieves with more details so they can get into my bank account.  So I don't give names and addresses.  I'm just dedicated to the idea of backing up what I say.

Anyway, I don't ask you to be impressed.  I'm just providing the substantiation for my posts.  You don't like it because (1) it makes me the winner, or (2) you haven't been in my league, and it makes you jealous.  You tell me...why is it so important for you to tear someone else down, rather than build yourself (or your arguments) up?

4EVER2 wrote:

4EVER2 wrote:Tommy Monk wrote:


Not sure about that... but there were definitely no Muslims back then...

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A.) you seem to not comprehend the difference between a human and a tribal name - their demographical region that they lived - and when they became known as that written worded NAME = Muslim
B.) you seem unable to separate the faith from when the HUMAN LIFE FORM existed and therein lies the crux of your deeply seated problem

Muslims existed long - LONG before there were even attributed with the written word Muslim ...they existed long - long before the thought of baby Jesus and the onset of early Christianity. 

You took a sarcastic jab at 'Cheeto-Jesus' and his anti-every human being that isn't WHITE LIKE HIM and tried to make a asinine remark that just wasn't TRUE. 
Now you either understand the huge error in your post or YOU NEVER WILL.  But I am done trying to aide you with your confusion! 

To be 'FAIR' ...one would have to have been dealing with Tommykins train of thought since he first jumped into a thread with the intent to just derail it ...and work out all the twists and turns that he's ran from his first words!

4everatwit wrote:

     This statement is just insanity, lamely disguised as a possible attempt at humor; but sorrowfully wrong in all aspects just the same!

[quote ="Tommy Monk"]
Saddam hussein and his baath party were leftie socialists!
And under his rule Iraq was relatively stable, secular and peaceful.

Original Quill wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:Take Quill for example... repeatedly telling everyone how he's a top lawyer who has been involved in many high level/profile court battles, telling us all how he's a top university lecturer, telling us about the book he wrote, and about the castle he owns in Scotland etc...

As far as the castle goes, it's more mine than yours, right?  It's owned by a family trust, and I have served that trust in several capacities.



Tommy, you're jealous.  I would have thought you were more secure than that.  Having two doctorates and teaching in universities is not that unusual in my world.  Call it continuing professional education.

I have told you my background only to qualify my opinions and experience in debating certain points.  It's done to provide a basis, not to impress you.  Obviously, I'm only going to go so far; I'm not going to arm the identity thieves with more details so they can get into my bank account.  So I don't give names and addresses.  I'm just dedicated to the idea of backing up what I say.

Anyway, I don't ask you to be impressed.  I'm just providing the substantiation for my posts.  You don't like it because (1) it makes me the winner, or (2) you haven't been in my league, and it makes you jealous.  You tell me...why is it so important for you to tear someone else down, rather than build yourself (or your arguments) up?

Tommy Monk wrote:

4EVER2 wrote:
To be 'FAIR' ...one would have to have been dealing with Tommykins train of thought since he first jumped into a thread with the intent to just derail it ...and work out all the twists and turns that he's ran from his first words!

You really are an idiot... it's quite simple... there were no Muslims around 2000 years ago because islam hadn't been founded until over 600 years later!!!