Reject the establishment or watch the far-right take over, Corbyn tells Europe's centre-left leaders

Bae the Cray wrote:LF, you must know there's a lot more work to do for the left than just that.

The left must become less cozy with global corporations -- that's true. Mind you, that means the left leadership; the left base (if I can speak for it) has always been uncomfortable with cozying up with globalists. Of course, we're usually faced with a choice of bad vs. evil when it comes to leadership.

But the populist right is infected with erroneous beliefs about nearly every important issue, from crime to immigration to trade to global warming to other cultures, more than any version of the right has ever been before. That should be blamed on the right and its leadership, which has never really pushed back against the kind of falsehoods we see the right believing as a matter of faith.

We have a member here, I don't think I have to name him, who everyone would probably accept as being pretty typical of the populist right. Just look at the stuff he comes out with. You can't blame the left for everything he doesn't know or everything he believes that is simply untrue.

So really, the left has to not only unlink from global corporatists and elites, it also has to find a way to fight a growing bloc of voters who've decided that whatever makes them feel better is true. No small task.

sassy wrote:Mr Corbyn says the populist right has identified the right problems but has 'toxic' solutions

Europe’s centre-left parties must reject the establishment – or watch the populist far-right win across the continent, Jeremy Corbyn has warned.
In a speech to Labour’s European sister parties, at the Party of European Socialists conference in Prague, the Labour leader warned that the populist right had correctly identified problems with the prevailing economic model.
But he argued the solutions of those anti-immigrant, anti-EU, and anti-Islam parties were only “toxic dead ends” that would not solve people’s problems.

Mr Corbyn’s comments come a day before Austria votes in a rerun of its presidential election – in which a far-right Norbert Hofer could be on the verge of victory.
Other countries across Europe have also seen extreme right-wingers poised to take power, with the Freedom Party leading in the polls in Austria and the Front National set to make the final round of the French presidential election. 
“Politics has been shaken across the world. As socialists and progressives, we know very well why the populist right is gaining ground, and it is up to us to offer the political leadership needed for a real alternative,” Mr Corbyn told other leaders on Saturday.
“We know the gap between rich and poor is widening; we know living standards are stagnating or falling and insecurity is growing; we know that many people rightly feel left behind by the forces unleashed by globalisation, powerless in the face of deregulated corporate power.

“In many cases the populist right do identify the right problems, but their solutions are toxic dead ends of the past.
“They are political parasites feeding off people’s concerns and worsening conditions, blaming the most vulnerable for society’s ills instead of offering a way for taking back real control of our lives the elites who serve their own interests.
“But unless progressive parties and movements break with a failed economic and political establishment, it is the siren voices of the populist far right that will fill the gap.”
Mr Corbyn also called for centre-left parties to work together across the continent to come to the best solution on Brexit negotiations.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-socialist-centre-left-leader-eu-party-of-european-socialists-a7453066.html


Clinging on to middle way that has been rejected by so many and used by the establishment to hold people down will work again.   We have to counter the regressive extreme RW or they will drag us back to war and fascism.

sassy wrote:Mr Corbyn says the populist right has identified the right problems but has 'toxic' solutions

Europe’s centre-left parties must reject the establishment – or watch the populist far-right win across the continent, Jeremy Corbyn has warned.
In a speech to Labour’s European sister parties, at the Party of European Socialists conference in Prague, the Labour leader warned that the populist right had correctly identified problems with the prevailing economic model.
But he argued the solutions of those anti-immigrant, anti-EU, and anti-Islam parties were only “toxic dead ends” that would not solve people’s problems.

Mr Corbyn’s comments come a day before Austria votes in a rerun of its presidential election – in which a far-right Norbert Hofer could be on the verge of victory.
Other countries across Europe have also seen extreme right-wingers poised to take power, with the Freedom Party leading in the polls in Austria and the Front National set to make the final round of the French presidential election. 
“Politics has been shaken across the world. As socialists and progressives, we know very well why the populist right is gaining ground, and it is up to us to offer the political leadership needed for a real alternative,” Mr Corbyn told other leaders on Saturday.
“We know the gap between rich and poor is widening; we know living standards are stagnating or falling and insecurity is growing; we know that many people rightly feel left behind by the forces unleashed by globalisation, powerless in the face of deregulated corporate power.

“In many cases the populist right do identify the right problems, but their solutions are toxic dead ends of the past.
“They are political parasites feeding off people’s concerns and worsening conditions, blaming the most vulnerable for society’s ills instead of offering a way for taking back real control of our lives the elites who serve their own interests.
“But unless progressive parties and movements break with a failed economic and political establishment, it is the siren voices of the populist far right that will fill the gap.”
Mr Corbyn also called for centre-left parties to work together across the continent to come to the best solution on Brexit negotiations.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-socialist-centre-left-leader-eu-party-of-european-socialists-a7453066.html


Clinging on to middle way that has been rejected by so many and used by the establishment to hold people down will work again.   We have to counter the regressive extreme RW or they will drag us back to war and fascism.

Lord Foul wrote:

Bae the Cray wrote:LF, you must know there's a lot more work to do for the left than just that.

The left must become less cozy with global corporations -- that's true. Mind you, that means the left leadership; the left base (if I can speak for it) has always been uncomfortable with cozying up with globalists. Of course, we're usually faced with a choice of bad vs. evil when it comes to leadership.

But the populist right is infected with erroneous beliefs about nearly every important issue, from crime to immigration to trade to global warming to other cultures, more than any version of the right has ever been before. That should be blamed on the right and its leadership, which has never really pushed back against the kind of falsehoods we see the right believing as a matter of faith.

We have a member here, I don't think I have to name him, who everyone would probably accept as being pretty typical of the populist right. Just look at the stuff he comes out with. You can't blame the left for everything he doesn't know or everything he believes that is simply untrue.

So really, the left has to not only unlink from global corporatists and elites, it also has to find a way to fight a growing bloc of voters who've decided that whatever makes them feel better is true. No small task.

Oh I can though...the left have has a strangle hold on education (via teaching unions and university "educators" and post grad prats) for donkeys years

our erstwhile disbeleiver is a PRODUCT of leftist education

one which values failure as much as winning
one that considers "bein fick" as being as valid as being educated
one that thinks non streamed non selective so called "mixed ability" education is both as efficient and as good as streamed selective education
and that mixed ability does justice to all levels from top to bottom, whilst the glaring reality is that It doesnt...the two groups most in NEED of "encouragement and extra "teacher time" DONT get it.( just to ward off that brain dead idiot (bolivia)scrat, the two groups most in need are the top and the bottom tiers..)

Bae the Cray wrote:

Lord Foul wrote:

Oh I can though...the left have has a strangle hold on education (via teaching unions and university "educators" and post grad prats) for donkeys years

our erstwhile disbeleiver is a PRODUCT of leftist education

one which values failure as much as winning
one that considers "bein fick" as being as valid as being educated
one that thinks non streamed non selective so called "mixed ability" education is both as efficient and as good as streamed selective education
and that mixed ability does justice to all levels from top to bottom, whilst the glaring reality is that It doesnt...the two groups most in NEED of "encouragement and extra "teacher time" DONT get it.( just to ward off that brain dead idiot (bolivia)scrat, the two groups most in need are the top and the bottom tiers..)

So that lefty education system has taught this guy to believe in crazy conspiracy theories, to not evaluate information, that being dumb is just as good as being knowledgeable?

MAYBE in the UK. And I say "maybe" because I think you're grossly exaggerating and stereotyping, possibly basing your view of the modern education system in the UK on a collection of media horror stories.

eddie wrote:You kinda just contradicted yourself. The reason why there's mixed ability teaching is because of mixed abilities or different abilities. Not all humans learn in the same way.


Sorry eddie ...I disagree...whats wrong with streaming the kids sorting them out into different ability groups and teaching each to the limit of their ability
rather than engendering a one size fits all which benefits nobody to the fullest extent.
Key stage 1 SAT's are just ways of the government putting labels on people and bumping figures up. No teacher I've ever met, thinks they do anything positive for the child.

Why make a 7 years old, sit an exam?