"...The Orlando LGBT nightclub killer described himself as an “Islamic soldier” out to avenge the US war on the Islamic State, according to his phone conversations with police during the 12 June massacre..."

Tommy Monk wrote:
4everatwit just posted an article with this as the heading...
"Orlando Is a Chance for Us Muslims to Reassess Our Stance on Homosexuality"
What current stance do they have that is suggested needs changing?
READ THE ARTICLE ...duffuss
And where do they get their current stance from?

Tommy Monk wrote:That didn't answer the particular point I'm asking you...
You just posted an article with this as the heading...
"Orlando Is a Chance for Us Muslims to Reassess Our Stance on Homosexuality"
What current stance do they have that is suggested needs changing?
And where do they get their current stance from?

Reading, it's such a mind opening experience - try it, you may learn to like it! 

Enjoy

4EVER2 wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:That didn't answer the particular point I'm asking you...
You just posted an article with this as the heading...
"Orlando Is a Chance for Us Muslims to Reassess Our Stance on Homosexuality"
What current stance do they have that is suggested needs changing?
And where do they get their current stance from?

~~ READ THE F'N ARTICLE ~~
Reading, it's such a mind opening experience - try it, you may learn to like it! 

Enjoy

4EVER2 wrote:And YOU are very welcome ... even though you still had to post your usual utter waste of bandwidth /mental drool before you acrually read the article too ...progress with Neanderthals are usually a matter of braking bones and royal tantrums throwing fits before you come to your senses
How refreshing to see you move slowly into the 21st century ...now if you could just get past the horrid generilizing all young Muslims as if they are the ilk of our WESTBROUGH BAPTIST CHURCH fanatics that some assume represent all religious christians

Tommy Monk wrote:
The normal stance of Muslims is that they hate homosexuals and this comes from Islamic teachings!!!



Hence...


"...The Orlando LGBT nightclub killer described himself as an “Islamic soldier” out to avenge the US war on the Islamic State, according to his phone conversations with police during the 12 June massacre..."

Tommy Monk wrote:After denials that islam and Muslims hate homosexuals, came 4evers own post of article saying that Muslims need to change their regular Islamic view on homosexuals... being from the regular one of hate...

Original Quill wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:After denials that islam and Muslims hate homosexuals, came 4evers own post of article saying that Muslims need to change their regular Islamic view on homosexuals... being from the regular one of hate...

Yes, it seems there was a montage of reasons that drove this kid.  He also hated women and beat his wife, loved playing cop and was a gun nut.  That's why the most probable singular reason was that he was nutz.

But none of us are psychiatrists, and anyone who is a psychiatrist will never get the opportunity to examine him.

The up-shot is, we are all free to make up our own minds.  There's nothing and no one who might refute us.  My bet is: delayed, protracted separation anxiety, causing a fixated hatred of his mother...leading to misogyny, which he took out on his wife, and homophobia, which was actually transference from his fixation on his mother.  

He told the cops he was an ISIS soldier as a cover-up for his underlying illness, which was in fact detached schizophrenia.  Detached schizophrenics are often embarrassed by their excessive flatulence and look for compensatory identifications to restore their reduced self-esteem.

Original Quill wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:After denials that islam and Muslims hate homosexuals, came 4evers own post of article saying that Muslims need to change their regular Islamic view on homosexuals... being from the regular one of hate...

Yes, it seems there was a montage of reasons that drove this kid.  He also hated women and beat his wife, loved playing cop and was a gun nut.  That's why the most probable singular reason was that he was nutz.

But none of us are psychiatrists, and anyone who is a psychiatrist will never get the opportunity to examine him.

The up-shot is, we are all free to make up our own minds.  There's nothing and no one who might refute us.  My bet is: delayed, protracted separation anxiety, causing a fixated hatred of his mother...leading to misogyny, which he took out on his wife, and homophobia, which was actually transference from his fixation on his mother.  

He told the cops he was an ISIS soldier as a cover-up for his underlying illness, which was in fact detached schizophrenia.  Detached schizophrenics are often embarrassed by their excessive flatulence and look for compensatory identifications to restore their reduced self-esteem.

4EVER2 wrote:

Sad how Tommykins isn't able to read

Didge wrote: Poor reply and as usual not debating the points and attacking the poster, that is poor and shows you are not up to the task and even worse specking around him

But as the article clearly explains the methods of the younger generation making headway {even in South Africa} to pull their elders out of the mistaken assumptions that the 'Legend of Sodom & Gomorrah' was a verbatim written 'we shall hate homosexual' detractive! When there is ZERO PROOF of any such reference in the Quran ...well, make believe and twisted assumptions and misguided mind-sets make up a lot of really F'd up humans in this world.

Didge wrote: Yes that really helps the victim of this attack does it not? Why not tell the victims families that its improving the younger generation in some countries whilst blatantly ignoring its not in many Islamic countries with the youth.

"In 2013, the Pew Research Center conducted a study on the global acceptance of homosexuality and found a widespread rejection of homosexuality in many nations that are predominantly Muslim. In some countries, views were actually becoming more conservative among younger people"

While it is pathetically humorous - the continued use of this miss-information used by 'SOME' to isolate/generalize many of the Muslim faithful is just as sick and twisted as those that become so easily brainwashed into the ilk that fall into the trap of thinking like a TERRORIST!

Didge wrote:And as of yet I have posted countless evidence and reason which you have avoided to answer, and instead speak around posters like youa re now and bitch about them. What does that say about your shortcommings on this debate, if this is all you can do?

And as the FBI are able to interview and dig deeper into Mateen's past ...his history of social problems and his willingness to attach to any group that might claim him seems very anti-social - the poor kid probably had issues that his family just never knew what to do - never used the schools resources to get him the help that might have made a huge difference in where he ended up!

Tommy Monk wrote:I think somebody just farted...!

4EVER2 wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:I think somebody just farted...!

And ...since you are seated in a room that none of us are in ...you felt the need to share your sudden body functions with the adults   

Great, now you can just return to your other private pleasures and keep those to yourself as well

Didge wrote:Is this a nursery or a debate forum?

4EVER2 wrote:

Didge wrote:Is this a nursery or a debate forum?

Well, that question and your own behavior ...
http://www.newsfixboard.com/t16577-captain-captain-jane-captainjane2-i-have-2-pm-s-still-sitting-in-my-outbox-since-may-28th 

   Seems to be an easy answer to your selective memory problems

Tommy Monk wrote:"...The Orlando LGBT nightclub killer described himself as an “Islamic soldier” out to avenge the US war on the Islamic State, according to his phone conversations with police during the 12 June massacre..."

Didge wrote:Clearly I am the teacher...

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:"...The Orlando LGBT nightclub killer described himself as an “Islamic soldier” out to avenge the US war on the Islamic State, according to his phone conversations with police during the 12 June massacre..."

I can call myself Ironman. It doesn't make me one of the Avengers.

I'd be careful playing this card Tommy. Jo Cox's killer saw himself as some sort of white soldier.

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:"...The Orlando LGBT nightclub killer described himself as an “Islamic soldier” out to avenge the US war on the Islamic State, according to his phone conversations with police during the 12 June massacre..."

I can call myself Ironman. It doesn't make me one of the Avengers.

I'd be careful playing this card Tommy. Jo Cox's killer saw himself as some sort of white soldier.

Tommy Monk wrote:

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

I can call myself Ironman. It doesn't make me one of the Avengers.

I'd be careful playing this card Tommy. Jo Cox's killer saw himself as some sort of white soldier.

Transcripts of police phone call with the Muslim terrorist...

Original Quill wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:


Transcripts of police phone call with the Muslim terrorist...

Are inconclusive.  He can't even make up his mind to which he is swearing allegiance...ISIS or the man.  Given his homosexual tendencies, this might be important.

I think you are pointing up his confusion, which would lend credence to the thesis that he was mad.

Didge wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Are inconclusive.  He can't even make up his mind to which he is swearing allegiance...ISIS or the man.  Given his homosexual tendencies, this might be important.

I think you are pointing up his confusion, which would lend credence to the thesis that he was mad.

Simple questyion

Is racism a concept and ideology?

Yes or No

didge wrote:Does not matter if his alleginace is to ISIS or not its certainly to islam

If he is homosexual it will still lead back to religion and culture, based off a caste system.

didge wrote:
There is no proof he is homosexual but happy to go down rthis avenue also to show its religious in nature and would then be down to the family's religious views

Tommy Monk wrote:

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

I can call myself Ironman. It doesn't make me one of the Avengers.

I'd be careful playing this card Tommy. Jo Cox's killer saw himself as some sort of white soldier.

Transcripts of police phone call with the Muslim terrorist...


All we have to say mair was anything other than mentally I'll is two fake photoshop pictures from sassquatch on the jo cox thread...


Bit of a difference don't you think!?

Original Quill wrote:

Didge wrote:

Simple questyion

Is racism a concept and ideology?

Yes or No

Define 'concept'.  Since you use the term as a noun, you obviously have a specific thought in mind.  The same is true of 'ideology', however I have provided you a definition of this noun in previous threads: an ideology is a system of ideas.  

In answer to your question, it depends on your meanings of the terms.  Your use of  nonsensical nouns (gobbledygook) suggests you haven't thought that far ahead yourself.  You are just using cryptic language to lose yourself (and your reader) in nonsense (gobbledygook).

Further, since you ask the term in the conjunctive (and), rather than the disjunctive (or), it appears you are associating 'concept' with 'ideology'.  Suffice it to say that you haven't asked a clear question.  

didge wrote:Does not matter if his alleginace is to ISIS or not its certainly to islam

If he is homosexual it will still lead back to religion and culture, based off a caste system.

Why?  Because you say so?  You have never adequately established a link between Islam and homosexuality...certainly, no more so that the link to Christianity.

didge wrote:
There is no proof he is homosexual but happy to go down rthis avenue also to show its religious in nature and would then be down to the family's religious views

In breaking news today, there has been revealed the identities of two Puerto Rican lovers of Mateen.  In fact, because this was Puerto Rican night at the Pulse, authorities have suggested that he was seeking revenge for one lover that might have given him AIDs.

Didge wrote:

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

I can call myself Ironman. It doesn't make me one of the Avengers.

I'd be careful playing this card Tommy. Jo Cox's killer saw himself as some sort of white soldier.

yes you can call yourself that, but was he a Muslims and raised a Muslims?

Are you not always telling people so rudely that we are all Muslims?

Or does this methodology on work in favour of when you want do with islamic ideology?

The simple point is this.

In Islam in the main does it teach to view homosexuality is a sin and wrong?
Does it also teach to punish this sin in sharia law in countries and for centuries?
Can such hate lead to violence?

Daily News wrote:Pulse nightclub shooter Omar Mateen was spurned by boyfriends, ‘did it for revenge,’ alleged ex-lover claims

The gunman who slaughtered 49 people at the Pulse nightclub in Orlando was a confused, gay man who drank heavily, a man who claims he was his lover for two months told Univision.

Omar Mateen, the deranged Muslim shooter behind the massacre, held a grudge against Latino men he met at the popular gay club because he felt used by them, the man told the network. “I’ve cried like you have no idea. But the thing that makes me want to tell the truth is that he didn’t do it for terrorism,” the man told Univision Noticias anchor Maria Elena Salinas in an exclusive interview on Tuesday. “In my opinion he did it for revenge.”

Mateen even had a tryst with two men, one of whom later revealed he was HIV positive, the man said.

Univision was unable to independently verify the man’s account, but the FBI confirmed to the network that it had met with him.

The man, who did not want his true identity revealed, said he met Mateen last year through a gay dating site and began a relationship soon after.

He described Mateen as “a very sweet guy” who never showed a violent side. He loved to be cuddled. He was looking for love," he said.

Several clubgoers and other acquaintances said that Mateen was a regular at the club and that he was active on such dating sites.

Mateen was married twice and had a child with his second wife.

The 29-year-old gunman opened fire with an automatic rifle in Pulse in the early hours of June 12, killing 49 people and wounding dozens more. He was killed in a shootout with police hours later.

“My reaction was that can’t be the man I know,” the stunned former lover told Univision. “It’s impossible that the man I know could do that.”

The man said that Mateen was attracted to Latino men, but felt used and rejected by them after several sexual encounters.

Mateen was especially upset after one tryst with a pair of Puerto Rican men, one of whom later revealed he was HIV positive, he added.

Omar Mateen visited Pulse nightclub hours before mass shooting.

“He (Omar) was terrified that he was infected,” he said. “I asked him, ‘Did you do a test?’ Yes. He went to the pharmacy and did the test … it came out negative but it doesn’t come out right away. It takes 4, 5 months.

“When I asked him what he was going to do now, his answer was, ‘I’m going to make them pay for what they did to me,’” he added.

Meanwhile, U.S. Attorney General Loretta Lynch traveled to Orlando on Tuesday to deliver a message of support and $1 million in emergency funds to help cover law enforcement costs.

Lynch met with the relatives of victims and told the gay community, “We stand with you.”

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Didge wrote:

yes you can call yourself that, but was he a Muslims and raised a Muslims?

Are you not always telling people so rudely that we are all Muslims?

Or does this methodology on work in favour of when you want do with islamic ideology?

The simple point is this.

In Islam in the main does it teach to view homosexuality is a sin and wrong?
Does it also teach to punish this sin in sharia law in countries and for centuries?
Can such hate lead to violence?

Muslims are not some homogenous group of people, nor are all raised the same. The fact the you clearly think so demonstrates your naivity. Are all Catholics raised the same? Exactly!

And you misquote me - I said we are all born Muslim. You clearly are not anymore. But in Islam we believe we are all born with a sense of believing in God. It's not meant to offend you but then you are always quite sensitive. That's not my problem.

Acts of homosexuality are a sin in Islam, as it is in other religions also.

Acts of homosexuality and sex outside marriage are punishable under Sharia law, providing there are 4 indpendemt witnesses to the act of penetration.

Can that alone lead to acts of violence? No. Otherwise hundreds of millions of Muslims would feel compelled to do so, just as they feel compelled to fast during Ramadhan.

Nobody has the right to act outside the law. This particular Muslim was clearly mentally disturbed to think he had the right to murder anyome.

Original Quill wrote:Further on the breaking news about Mateen's gay lovers:

Daily News wrote:Pulse nightclub shooter Omar Mateen was spurned by boyfriends, ‘did it for revenge,’ alleged ex-lover claims

The gunman who slaughtered 49 people at the Pulse nightclub in Orlando was a confused, gay man who drank heavily, a man who claims he was his lover for two months told Univision.

Omar Mateen, the deranged Muslim shooter behind the massacre, held a grudge against Latino men he met at the popular gay club because he felt used by them, the man told the network. “I’ve cried like you have no idea. But the thing that makes me want to tell the truth is that he didn’t do it for terrorism,” the man told Univision Noticias anchor Maria Elena Salinas in an exclusive interview on Tuesday. “In my opinion he did it for revenge.”

Mateen even had a tryst with two men, one of whom later revealed he was HIV positive, the man said.

Univision was unable to independently verify the man’s account, but the FBI confirmed to the network that it had met with him.

The man, who did not want his true identity revealed, said he met Mateen last year through a gay dating site and began a relationship soon after.

He described Mateen as “a very sweet guy” who never showed a violent side. He loved to be cuddled. He was looking for love," he said.

Several clubgoers and other acquaintances said that Mateen was a regular at the club and that he was active on such dating sites.

Mateen was married twice and had a child with his second wife.

The 29-year-old gunman opened fire with an automatic rifle in Pulse in the early hours of June 12, killing 49 people and wounding dozens more. He was killed in a shootout with police hours later.

“My reaction was that can’t be the man I know,” the stunned former lover told Univision. “It’s impossible that the man I know could do that.”

The man said that Mateen was attracted to Latino men, but felt used and rejected by them after several sexual encounters.

Mateen was especially upset after one tryst with a pair of Puerto Rican men, one of whom later revealed he was HIV positive, he added.

Omar Mateen visited Pulse nightclub hours before mass shooting.

“He (Omar) was terrified that he was infected,” he said. “I asked him, ‘Did you do a test?’ Yes. He went to the pharmacy and did the test … it came out negative but it doesn’t come out right away. It takes 4, 5 months.

“When I asked him what he was going to do now, his answer was, ‘I’m going to make them pay for what they did to me,’” he added.

Meanwhile, U.S. Attorney General Loretta Lynch traveled to Orlando on Tuesday to deliver a message of support and $1 million in emergency funds to help cover law enforcement costs.

Lynch met with the relatives of victims and told the gay community, “We stand with you.”

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Original Quill wrote:Further on the breaking news about Mateen's gay lovers:

The irony is that these are the same sort of reasons why Didge dislikes Muslims.

Original Quill wrote:Further on the breaking news about Mateen's gay lovers:

Daily News wrote:Pulse nightclub shooter Omar Mateen was spurned by boyfriends, ‘did it for revenge,’ alleged ex-lover claims

The gunman who slaughtered 49 people at the Pulse nightclub in Orlando was a confused, gay man who drank heavily, a man who claims he was his lover for two months told Univision.

Omar Mateen, the deranged Muslim shooter behind the massacre, held a grudge against Latino men he met at the popular gay club because he felt used by them, the man told the network. “I’ve cried like you have no idea. But the thing that makes me want to tell the truth is that he didn’t do it for terrorism,” the man told Univision Noticias anchor Maria Elena Salinas in an exclusive interview on Tuesday. “In my opinion he did it for revenge.”

Mateen even had a tryst with two men, one of whom later revealed he was HIV positive, the man said.

Univision was unable to independently verify the man’s account, but the FBI confirmed to the network that it had met with him.

The man, who did not want his true identity revealed, said he met Mateen last year through a gay dating site and began a relationship soon after.

He described Mateen as “a very sweet guy” who never showed a violent side. He loved to be cuddled. He was looking for love," he said.

Several clubgoers and other acquaintances said that Mateen was a regular at the club and that he was active on such dating sites.

Mateen was married twice and had a child with his second wife.

The 29-year-old gunman opened fire with an automatic rifle in Pulse in the early hours of June 12, killing 49 people and wounding dozens more. He was killed in a shootout with police hours later.

“My reaction was that can’t be the man I know,” the stunned former lover told Univision. “It’s impossible that the man I know could do that.”

The man said that Mateen was attracted to Latino men, but felt used and rejected by them after several sexual encounters.

Mateen was especially upset after one tryst with a pair of Puerto Rican men, one of whom later revealed he was HIV positive, he added.

Omar Mateen visited Pulse nightclub hours before mass shooting.

“He (Omar) was terrified that he was infected,” he said. “I asked him, ‘Did you do a test?’ Yes. He went to the pharmacy and did the test … it came out negative but it doesn’t come out right away. It takes 4, 5 months.

“When I asked him what he was going to do now, his answer was, ‘I’m going to make them pay for what they did to me,’” he added.

Meanwhile, U.S. Attorney General Loretta Lynch traveled to Orlando on Tuesday to deliver a message of support and $1 million in emergency funds to help cover law enforcement costs.

Lynch met with the relatives of victims and told the gay community, “We stand with you.”

Didge wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Define 'concept'.  Since you use the term as a noun, you obviously have a specific thought in mind.  The same is true of 'ideology', however I have provided you a definition of this noun in previous threads: an ideology is a system of ideas.  

In answer to your question, it depends on your meanings of the terms.  Your use of  nonsensical nouns (gobbledygook) suggests you haven't thought that far ahead yourself.  You are just using cryptic language to lose yourself (and your reader) in nonsense (gobbledygook).

Further, since you ask the term in the conjunctive (and), rather than the disjunctive (or), it appears you are associating 'concept' with 'ideology'.  Suffice it to say that you haven't asked a clear question.  



Why?  Because you say so?  You have never adequately established a link between Islam and homosexuality...certainly, no more so that the link to Christianity.


In breaking news today, there has been revealed the identities of two Puerto Rican lovers of Mateen.  In fact, because this was Puerto Rican night at the Pulse, authorities have suggested that he was seeking revenge for one lover that might have given him AIDs.

I just did define, so I will define further

Is racism a belief and ideology?

belief

   1.
   an acceptance that something exists or is true, especially one without proof.

ideology

   1.
   a system of ideas and ideals, especially one which forms the basis of economic or political theory and policy.

yes or no

I do not need to define further but a simple yes or no as to whether you believe racism is or not, so your poor deflection is trying to cop out of answering

Next does racism lead to hate?

yes or no?

Okay why would a person with homosexual tendencies murder many homosexuals, when they come from a culture that is against homosexuality and has a caste system?
Could it be he was then brought up as its well known the views his father has on homosexuaility being a sin and wrong.
If the father and the rumours are to be true, that the father berated him over being gay, then from such a culture, which has honour and shame as a great part of that culture. Then the only reason he would have killed so many homosexuals would be to try to right a dishonour from his own family. To right a wrong of him being viewed homosexual.
That is the only concievable view as to why he would murder people based on a religious shame around him being gay, that he looked to amend this in the most extreme way.
I do not buy these theory and have yet to see any proof he was gay

Original Quill wrote:

Didge wrote:

I just did define, so I will define further

Is racism a belief and ideology?

belief

   1.
   an acceptance that something exists or is true, especially one without proof.

ideology

   1.
   a system of ideas and ideals, especially one which forms the basis of economic or political theory and policy.

yes or no

I do not need to define further but a simple yes or no as to whether you believe racism is or not, so your poor deflection is trying to cop out of answering

Next does racism lead to hate?

yes or no?

Okay why would a person with homosexual tendencies murder many homosexuals, when they come from a culture that is against homosexuality and has a caste system?
Could it be he was then brought up as its well known the views his father has on homosexuaility being a sin and wrong.
If the father and the rumours are to be true, that the father berated him over being gay, then from such a culture, which has honour and shame as a great part of that culture. Then the only reason he would have killed so many homosexuals would be to try to right a dishonour from his own family. To right a wrong of him being viewed homosexual.
That is the only concievable view as to why he would murder people based on a religious shame around him being gay, that he looked to amend this in the most extreme way.
I do not buy these theory and have yet to see any proof he was gay

Complete waffle.  You have a dictionary...surprise.  

You still haven't asked an question.  Your problem is, you just don't know how to synthesize ideas.  That includes asking questions, btw.  You love to argue so much, you lose the plot on the theme.  

One minute you are off on Islam, the next you are off on racism.   No connection...just, there goes didge...pfffft.  

Didge wrote:

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

The irony is that these are the same sort of reasons why Didge dislikes Muslims.

So more lies

I have nothing against Muslims, I have against bad beliefs,. but this is what apologists do when faced with difficult points, they try instead to character assasinate and it always makes them look bad.

I am happy that you prove to be a decietful Muslims, does islam teach you to lie by any chance?

Most Muslims i know do not, so why do you?

Fuzzy Zack wrote:Emulating the prophet (pbuh) and having the same rights as him are 2 different things. Again, you are naive.

Otherwise why aren't all Muslims emulating the prophet this way? If you can't explain that, then your fallacy will remain exposed.

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Didge wrote:


So more lies

I have nothing against Muslims, I have against bad beliefs,. but this is what apologists do when faced with difficult points, they try instead to character assasinate and it always makes them look bad.

I am happy that you prove to be a decietful Muslims, does islam teach you to lie by any chance?

Most Muslims i know do not, so why do you?

Lol!

We both know the truth. ;-)

Didge wrote:

Fuzzy Zack wrote:Emulating the prophet (pbuh) and having the same rights as him are 2 different things. Again, you are naive.

Otherwise why aren't all Muslims emulating the prophet this way? If you can't explain that, then your fallacy will remain exposed.

That is your opinion.
To the followers of ISIS, this means throwing gays off roof tops
All you are doing is what most apologists do, claim they do not follow the religion that way.
Well other Muslims do follow Islam that way literally as you well know and this is problematic as well as the problem of the hadiths, whcih superscede the Quran by Muslims

didge wrote:So hearsay, not evidence

didge wrote:Again this would then fall down to honour being ahsmaed from the religiopusd culture they come from.

didge wrote:So where is the evidence that actually even knew him?

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Didge wrote:


That is your opinion.
To the followers of ISIS, this means throwing gays off roof tops
All you are doing is what most apologists do, claim they do not follow the religion that way.
Well other Muslims do follow Islam that way literally as you well know and this is problematic as well as the problem of the hadiths, whcih superscede the Quran by Muslims

Not my opinion. Very sweet of you but this is Islam.

And I note you failed to answer my question out of incompetence.

Isis are not mainstream Islam. That's why you failed to answer my question directly.

Original Quill wrote:

didge wrote:So hearsay, not evidence

Everything in the news is hearsay, numbkov.  If you don't want to accept that, drop out of the conversation.  Otherwise, live with it.

didge wrote:Again this would then fall down to honour being ahsmaed from the religiopusd culture they come from.

There goes didge....pffft.  

didge wrote:So where is the evidence that actually even knew him?

It's in the article.  If you're unhappy with the conversation, drop out.

didge wrote:So back tyo acting like a two hear old

Original Quill wrote:

didge wrote:So back tyo acting like a two hear old

"tyo...a two hear [sic] old?"  Didge, you're drunk.

Didge wrote:

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Not my opinion. Very sweet of you but this is Islam.

And I note you failed to answer my question out of incompetence.

Isis are not mainstream Islam. That's why you failed to answer my question directly.

No that is your view of Islam
Now unless you can find a tardis and actually prove the Quran and Islamic works are authetic, then you are simply going off views of men and scholars on islam, which as seen differ greatly and have done sinces its genesis.
ISIS are the most closet towards literal islam there is in the Quran and hadiths.
Your point on incompetance has no relevance
You see this is what is wrong with those religious, you go off a myth and claim you follow that myth right, where other Muslims will disagree and none of you can prove your stance.
Its the disprove god exists questions.
In other words you are asking people to disporve something you cannot prove esists