Oldham named as election fraud 'hotspot' as watchdog calls for voter IDs

by Irn Bru Thu Jan 09, 2014 12:53 am

Election fraud really has to be stamped out and it shouldn't be possible in a country like ours. We have the technology to stop this as far as is possible so why don't we use it?

Something like proper voter registration requiring a photo ID would help stamp election fraud out. It could be a smart card linked to national insurance and including biometric data which is almost exactly like the National Identity Card scheme that Labour planned to introduce but was scrapped due to cost.

Should we go for it?

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/oldham-named-election-fraud-hotspot-6479987

by Guest Thu Jan 09, 2014 1:00 am

Nah, just execute any fraudsters, that way they wont do it again :::hitler:

by Guest Thu Jan 09, 2014 1:01 am

I'm definitely in favour of it for elections, and surely it is not past them to work out a way when it comes to postal votes. Not quite sure how, but I have internet banking with Barclays and have a card reader which I have to put a password in to get another password, which changes every time you use it, even after a few seconds. If they can do that, why not have the same kind of thing to put a password on a postal vote?

Anyway, didn't the Conservatives make a huge fuss about this when Labour tried to introduce it?

by Guest Thu Jan 09, 2014 10:40 am

Andy obviously missed this one in his desperation to twist the story to his own agenda, so I thought I'd bump it.

by Guest Thu Jan 09, 2014 10:52 am

Ben, when you come on, could you merge this with Andy's thread please. Many thanks.

by Guest Thu Jan 09, 2014 10:55 am

Sassy wrote:Ben, when you come on, could you merge this with Andy's thread please. Many thanks.

hehehe please do - i'd hate for these ladies to get away with this awful thread, which doesn't have da full picture.

innit

by Irn Bru Thu Jan 09, 2014 4:18 pm

Oh look what I've found. Looks like it may be just the job to help stamp out election fraud.

Oldham named as election fraud 'hotspot' as watchdog calls for voter IDs Article-1281889-09C755BF000005DC-57_468x288

Oldham named as election fraud 'hotspot' as watchdog calls for voter IDs Article-1281889-09C755BF000005DC-57_468x288

What do you think guys?

by Guest Thu Jan 09, 2014 5:45 pm

Yep, and a Labour idea lol

by Guest Thu Jan 09, 2014 5:55 pm

Irn Bru wrote:Election fraud really has to be stamped out and it shouldn't be possible in a country like ours. We have the technology to stop this as far as is possible so why don't we use it?

Something like proper voter registration requiring a photo ID would help stamp election fraud out. It could be a smart card linked to national insurance and including biometric data which is almost exactly like the National Identity Card scheme that Labour planned to introduce but was scrapped due to cost.

Should we go for it?

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/oldham-named-election-fraud-hotspot-6479987

i thought you were against I/D cards as they are supposedly an infringment of our human rights.

by Guest Thu Jan 09, 2014 5:57 pm

Shady wrote:
Irn Bru wrote:Election fraud really has to be stamped out and it shouldn't be possible in a country like ours. We have the technology to stop this as far as is possible so why don't we use it?

Something like proper voter registration requiring a photo ID would help stamp election fraud out. It could be a smart card linked to national insurance and including biometric data which is almost exactly like the National Identity Card scheme that Labour planned to introduce but was scrapped due to cost.

Should we go for it?

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/oldham-named-election-fraud-hotspot-6479987

i thought you were against I/D cards as they are supposedly an infringment of our human rights.

I wouldn't have them for everday use. I would however have some form of them for election purposes. I have always thought that turning up and giving your name and address and being allowed to vote wasn't very satisfactory in this day and age.

by Guest Thu Jan 09, 2014 5:59 pm

Sassy wrote:
Shady wrote:

So if you are happy to use them for what they are intended for....to identify yourself.Why not use them for all identification purposes?

i thought you were against I/D cards as they are supposedly an infringment of our human rights.

I wouldn't have them for everday use. I would however have some form of them for election purposes. I have always thought that turning up and giving your name and address and being allowed to vote wasn't very satisfactory in this day and age.

So if you are happy to use them for what they are intended...for identification purposes,why not use them for all identification requirements?

by Guest Thu Jan 09, 2014 6:01 pm

Because I don't think they are necessary at any other time.

by Guest Thu Jan 09, 2014 6:04 pm

Sassy wrote:Because I don't think they are necessary at any other time.

So why differentiate between something as important as voting & other important things like identifying yourself to the police when asked

by gerber Thu Jan 09, 2014 6:06 pm

Shady wrote:
Sassy wrote:

I wouldn't have them for everday use. I would however have some form of them for election purposes. I have always thought that turning up and giving your name and address and being allowed to vote wasn't very satisfactory in this day and age.

So if you are happy to use them for what they are intended...for identification purposes,why not use them for all identification requirements?

I was totally against ID cards but with hindsight they should have been introduced when first mooted by Bliar. We would not be in such a mess regarding payments of this or that to services used by tourists and overseas visitors. Being nice or trying to be regarding immigrants as I do not know you all here yet.. Wink

by Guest Thu Jan 09, 2014 6:08 pm

gerber wrote:
Shady wrote:

So if you are happy to use them for what they are intended...for identification purposes,why not use them for all identification requirements?

I was totally against ID cards but with hindsight they should have been introduced when first mooted by Bliar. We would not be in such a mess regarding payments of this or that to services used by tourists and overseas visitors. Being nice or trying to be regarding immigrants as I do not know you all here yet..

Good evening Gerber.

I've go to agree with you & I just don't see what the problem with I/D cards is as we have to identify ourselves for so many procedures.

by Guest Thu Jan 09, 2014 6:08 pm

Shady wrote:
Sassy wrote:Because I don't think they are necessary at any other time.

So why differentiate between something as important as voting & other important things like identifying yourself to the police when asked

People have to identify themselves everyday, with passports, official letters, driving licences etc. They can do that at police stations. It would be rather difficult of tellers at polling stations to go through all that lot, and it is to make sure there is no voter fraud, totally different to just identifying youself, which can be done easily with what we already use for that.

by Guest Thu Jan 09, 2014 6:10 pm

Sassy wrote:
Shady wrote:

So why differentiate between something as important as voting & other important things like identifying yourself to the police when asked

People have to identify themselves everyday, with passports, official letters, driving licences etc. They can do that at police stations. It would be rather difficult of tellers at polling stations to go through all that lot, and it is to make sure there is no voter fraud, totally different to just identifying youself, which can be done easily with what we already use for that.

But I would suggest that one identification source....an I/D card would simplify things.

by Irn Bru Thu Jan 09, 2014 7:06 pm

Shady wrote:
Irn Bru wrote:Election fraud really has to be stamped out and it shouldn't be possible in a country like ours. We have the technology to stop this as far as is possible so why don't we use it?

Something like proper voter registration requiring a photo ID would help stamp election fraud out. It could be a smart card linked to national insurance and including biometric data which is almost exactly like the National Identity Card scheme that Labour planned to introduce but was scrapped due to cost.

Should we go for it?

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/oldham-named-election-fraud-hotspot-6479987

i thought you were against I/D cards as they are supposedly an infringment of our human rights.

That wasn't me Shady. Perhaps you were thinking of the current coalition government who scrapped the scheme.

I know this is from the Daily Mail but what the hell - it'll do

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1281889/Labours-ID-card-scheme-scrapped-coalitions-law.html

by Guest Thu Jan 09, 2014 7:49 pm

Evening Irn. Yes, wonder if they will claim it as their own if they bring it back again.

by Irn Bru Thu Jan 09, 2014 7:54 pm

Sassy wrote:Evening Irn. Yes, wonder if they will claim it as their own if they bring it back again.

I doubt they will but if they did then they would just call it some other name. I never really thought about this until I was reading Flap's forum and it was really Flap himself that came up with the idea.

by Guest Thu Jan 09, 2014 7:56 pm

Yea, I expect he had loads of threads laughing at the idea when it was proposed by another party than the one he bows and scapes to.

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