Donald Trump: "Enough with the nice!"

Still don't like him but I find he comes across as kind of sensible in this short video interview with WJS.
His comment about helping the black youths of America was pretty on point.

No reflection on you or your education Eddie...your vote doesn't count; but the slick/slimy method that his pure evil genius has for working his 'uneducated' masses is horrifying and echoes from WWII seem to be reverberating every where

He's as likely to want to help the 'black youths' as he is to suddenly treat women properly and stop being a misogynist arsehole.

"Donald Trump has promised to change his image, in a closed-door meeting with Republican party leaders" so says the BBC in a story, picked up from ABC News. http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-36107696

For the very first time I find myself agreeing with Ted Cruz: So this is a tacit admission that everything that has gone on before is a lie??  Well, hold everything.  Give the delegates back, Donald.  Let go of the votes.  It's all been under false pretenses.

If you ask me, this is all a ruse to disguise the fact that Donald is naturally an abrasive, heedless personality.  Regular people are telling him that it's not working with other regular people...and he's gotta change.  These would be the people whom he hired because he got himself into trouble not paying attention to the rules.

Comedians often come around: Billy Chrystal, Steve Martin, Jerry Seinfeld, Chris Rock or Sacha Baron Cohen.  They all have a schtick, and all the rest of us at cocktail parties mimic them.  But then it gets old, and people move on...and the comedians cash in at Las Vegas lounges.

That's where Trump is at right now.  He needs a new schtick and...zero.  He's trying to reincarnate as the inside Republican candidate, when he's campaigned as the outsider all along.

Is his reference to helping "black youths" gonna be helping them to market drugz more efficiently and commit crime in a more sophisticated manner as not to get caught?

How the hell can you help someone like the ones already into crime and getting by without working?

No offence taken 4 ever, I know very little about your US politics lol, just came across the interview and thought:

What would I think of this man being interviewed, if I didn't have any preconceptions of him?

And I thought it was a pretty okay interview.

Stormee wrote:Is his reference to helping "black youths" gonna be helping them to market drugz more efficiently and commit crime in a more sophisticated manner as not to get caught?

How the hell can you help someone like the ones already into crime and getting by without working?

I'll give you the 'OUT' that you most likely can't be bothered to read about the numbers of great America youth {regardless of their race} that excel at academic awards - sports awards and do so many fantastic community service projects --- but your fixation on just the ones that garner your 'Worst News Possible' media attention is all you retain! 

I accept good in most people as the NORM it is the useless scum who I do not have time for irrespective of colour.

eddie wrote:No offence taken 4 ever, I know very little about your US politics lol, just came across the interview and thought:

What would I think of this man being interviewed, if I didn't have any preconceptions of him?

And I thought it was a pretty okay interview.

Do preconceptions make us blind?
Just asking

Stormee wrote:I accept good in most people as the NORM it is the useless scum who I do not have time for irrespective of colour.

True...but there are good decent people in ALL races/faith/genders and ages...we just hear about the worst of the worst that make their poor lives NEWS WORTHY.

eddie wrote:

eddie wrote:No offence taken 4 ever, I know very little about your US politics lol, just came across the interview and thought:

What would I think of this man being interviewed, if I didn't have any preconceptions of him?

And I thought it was a pretty okay interview.

Do preconceptions make us blind?
Just asking

Exactly the opposite, preknowledge of what someone has said before, and obviously meant, allows us to see through an act they put on, in this case because they probably have been forced into it.   The Republican Party is furious at the way Trump has behaved up to now and probably threatened to actively fight against him if he didn't rein it in.

Or maybe he is both people? Outspoken numpty and level-headed politican

Nah, sorry, won't wash, when you take his whole life story and the things he has done, the video of him being level headed stands out as a put up job.

Sassy stated > Exactly the opposite, preknowledge of what someone has said before, and obviously meant, allows us to see through an act they put on, in this case because they probably have been forced into it.   The Republican Party is furious at the way Trump has behaved up to now and probably threatened to actively fight against him if he didn't rein it in.

If only...I've been waiting for the hate-driven masses to WAKE THE FUCK UP since this blow hard started gaining momentum; like his failed attempt to gain any push back in

Trump first campaigned for the U.S. presidency in 2000, winning two Reform Party primaries

But the deeply seated hate for our lifer's among the established political group has put this moron out here at the right place - at the right time - with his HATE FILLED RHETORIC with zero base and equally zero facts and has garnered a large following of ZERO minded humans with ZERO thought processes! 
They willfully CHOSE to ignore the lack of facts & data... and are just running with the PACK MENTALITY!

sassy wrote:Nah, sorry, won't wash, when you take his whole life story and the things he has done, the video of him being level headed stands out as a put up job.

Bet if you dug hard enough, you'd find some crap on most of them tbh sass - not that I'm defending Trump per se (as I kind of agree with you).

eddie wrote:

sassy wrote:Nah, sorry, won't wash, when you take his whole life story and the things he has done, the video of him being level headed stands out as a put up job.

Bet if you dug hard enough, you'd find some crap on most of them tbh sass - not that I'm defending Trump per se (as I kind of agree with you).

To be sure...but the point here is that Trump is a totally put-up job. Don't believe fuck-all that he says. It's 100% an act. There's no permanent character there...he's just repainting the walls.

Ok ok! I just thought it was a "Normal" interview of him.....don't shoot the messenger

eddie wrote:Ok ok! I just thought it was a "Normal" interview of him.....don't shoot the messenger

You wound me! Was I talking about you?? No, the point is that Trump is a will-o'-the-wisp, who will become anything and everything one wants. As such, he is an empty coat.

eddie wrote:

sassy wrote:Nah, sorry, won't wash, when you take his whole life story and the things he has done, the video of him being level headed stands out as a put up job.

Bet if you dug hard enough, you'd find some crap on most of them tbh sass - not that I'm defending Trump per se (as I kind of agree with you).

You don't have to dig with Trump Eddie, his crap is permanent, on the surface as well as running through him like letters in a stick of rock and absolutely revolting.

Go getem Donald, you are a breath of fresh air against the sob sistuz, pretendy do gooduz and the enemy within the pc brigade.

11. Donald Trump on immigration and the DREAM Act: “For people that have been here (illegally) for years, that have been hard workers, have good jobs, are supporting a family, it’s very, very tough to just say ‘you have to leave, get out.’ How do you throw someone out that’s lived in this country for 20 years, you just can’t throw everybody out.”
— Fox News, June 18, 2012.

Stormee wrote:Go getem Donald, you are a breath of fresh air against the sob sistuz, pretendy do gooduz and the enemy within the pc brigade.

  
Ohhhhh, boy...why, I oughta ---   but I don't do that anymore! 
BTW, does your wife have a membership on here ...perhaps she'd be obliging and pass one along to ya
I've think'n that you've got a ornery strike running deeply ingrained in your body and you do love to ignite the

4EVER2 wrote:

Stormee wrote:Go getem Donald, you are a breath of fresh air against the sob sistuz, pretendy do gooduz and the enemy within the pc brigade.

  
Ohhhhh, boy...why, I oughta ---   but I don't do that anymore! 
BTW, does your wife have a membership on here ...perhaps she'd be obliging and pass one along to ya
I've think'n that you've got a ornery strike running deeply ingrained in your body and you do love to ignite the

I say it how it is.

Go getem Donald.

4EVER2 wrote:

Stormee wrote:Go getem Donald, you are a breath of fresh air against the sob sistuz, pretendy do gooduz and the enemy within the pc brigade.

  
Ohhhhh, boy...why, I oughta ---   but I don't do that anymore! 
BTW, does your wife have a membership on here ...perhaps she'd be obliging and pass one along to ya
I've think'n that you've got a ornery strike running deeply ingrained in your body and you do love to ignite the

LOL!   Trump is probably the most artifical, put on, pretend, misogynic piece of sh.t that has come out of America.  He should be taken out to sea and dumped, although he'd probably pollute the ocean.

sassy wrote:

4EVER2 wrote:

  
Ohhhhh, boy...why, I oughta ---   but I don't do that anymore! 
BTW, does your wife have a membership on here ...perhaps she'd be obliging and pass one along to ya
I've think'n that you've got a ornery strike running deeply ingrained in your body and you do love to ignite the

LOL!   Trump is probably the most artifical, put on, pretend, misogynic piece of sh.t that has come out of America.  He should be taken out to sea and dumped, although he'd probably pollute the ocean.

Wish we had him here to cleanse our island.

Bloody glad we haven't, if he ever got elected, which he won't, he'd start WWIII in a very short space of time, disgusting cretin.

Stormee wrote:

sassy wrote:


LOL!   Trump is probably the most artifical, put on, pretend, misogynic piece of sh.t that has come out of America.  He should be taken out to sea and dumped, although he'd probably pollute the ocean.

Wish we had him here to cleanse our island.

Bloody hell Stormee....I had to log back in to say NO   ....we don't want the pantomime baddie here....we have enough clowns of our own baying for power.

Stormee wrote:

sassy wrote:
LOL!   Trump is probably the most artifical, put on, pretend, misogynic piece of sh.t that has come out of America.  He should be taken out to sea and dumped, although he'd probably pollute the ocean.

Wish we had him here to cleanse our island.

Now - Now...be careful what you wish for; you've no idea what generates this blow-hards mindset and you might find yourself standing on the docks wondering WTF just happened.     
People with zero value system and zero moral codes are easily purchased and very narcissistically driven --- you might end up being the first group 'OFF THE ISLAND' just because he doesn't like the way you type!

4EVER2 wrote:

Stormee wrote:

Wish we had him here to cleanse our island.

Now - Now...be careful what you wish for; you've no idea what generates this blow-hards mindset and you might find yourself standing on the docks wondering WTF just happened.     
People with zero value system and zero moral codes are easily purchased and very narcissistically driven --- you might end up being the first group 'OFF THE ISLAND' just because he doesn't like the way you type!

Ben_Reilly wrote:11. Donald Trump on immigration and the DREAM Act: “For people that have been here (illegally) for years, that have been hard workers, have good jobs, are supporting a family, it’s very, very tough to just say ‘you have to leave, get out.’ How do you throw someone out that’s lived in this country for 20 years, you just can’t throw everybody out.”
— Fox News, June 18, 2012.

What's wrong with that? Isn't he showing sympathy here?

eddie wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:11. Donald Trump on immigration and the DREAM Act: “For people that have been here (illegally) for years, that have been hard workers, have good jobs, are supporting a family, it’s very, very tough to just say ‘you have to leave, get out.’ How do you throw someone out that’s lived in this country for 20 years, you just can’t throw everybody out.”
— Fox News, June 18, 2012.

What's wrong with that? Isn't he showing sympathy here?

Don't think you quite got Ben's point Eddie, by 2015 he was saying the opposite and demanding that a wall was built between Mexico and the USA.   Basically, he says anything that he thinks will get approval at the time.

sassy wrote:

eddie wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:11. Donald Trump on immigration and the DREAM Act: “For people that have been here (illegally) for years, that have been hard workers, have good jobs, are supporting a family, it’s very, very tough to just say ‘you have to leave, get out.’ How do you throw someone out that’s lived in this country for 20 years, you just can’t throw everybody out.”
— Fox News, June 18, 2012.

What's wrong with that? Isn't he showing sympathy here?

Don't think you quite got Ben's point Eddie, by 2015 he was saying the opposite and demanding that a wall was built between Mexico and the USA.   Basically, he says anything that he thinks will get approval at the time.

Erm of course people change their minds!! You opine according to what you know at any given time.
I'd be worried if people didn't change their minds!

I realised the years sassy, I just think he's seen what he thinks is a problem and addressed it.

Let's take something that you've said to someone: you may be pissed off, riled up, angry, intolerant and say something really harsh.
Did you mean it? Well,yes, the essence is what you meant, but you were a bit OTT about it.
I do think that alot of you on here, are very black and white in how you view people.


You take sentences and make people out of them.


A lot of you used to do it with Tommy (sorry tommy!) but what he says on some topics doesn't make him that person. People are a myriad of emotions and words and opnions.

If someone stays fixed for too long.....how are they seeing a whole picture and more importantly, how are they growing?

Eds, he doesn't change his mind, he says what he thinks will get his noticed.  A few years ago he said if he ever stood as President he'd stand as a Republican as they are the easiest to fool.   I't cynical manipulation, that's all.

sassy wrote:Eds, he doesn't change his mind, he says what he thinks will get his noticed.  A few years ago he said if he ever stood as President he'd stand as a Republican as they are the easiest to fool.   I't cynical manipulation, that's all.

I guess then, that they all do it? How many politicians are accused of "changing their minds"?
I actually do understand when a politican changes their mind - I think

a he is earning from it (bad)
b he's learning from it (good)


It's the ones who stubbornly refuse to ever change, (I dislike and distrust people like that too)....they're the ones who shouldn't be listened to.

What I'm trying to say is: humans change their minds all the time - I do it - and it's grossly unfair to hold someone's old views agaisnt them.

That's all.

I simply find a lot of you quite stuck in the mud, over issues and people....and other posters!!

eddie wrote:

sassy wrote:
Don't think you quite got Ben's point Eddie, by 2015 he was saying the opposite and demanding that a wall was built between Mexico and the USA.   Basically, he says anything that he thinks will get approval at the time.

Erm of course people change their minds!! You opine according to what you know at any given time.
I'd be worried if people didn't change their minds!
I realised the years sassy, I just think he's seen what he thinks is a problem and addressed it.
Let's take something that you've said to someone: you may be pissed off, riled up, angry, intolerant and say something really harsh.
Did you mean it? Well,yes, the essence is what you meant, but you were a bit OTT about it.
I do think that alot of you on here, are very black and white in how you view people.
You take sentences  and make people out of them.
A lot of you used to do it with Tommy (sorry tommy!) but what he says on some topics doesn't make him that person. People are a myriad of emotions and words and opnions.
If someone stays fixed for too long.....how are they seeing a whole picture and more importantly, how are they growing?

Well, in Chump-Trumps regard; it's been pointed out to this moron his many snafu's in public - decrying those "ILLEGALS" and those vile words he's used to describe then and the years that his mega-building 'TRUMP TOWERS' - 'MAR-A-LARGO' thumps many empire/dwellings were all being built with those same 'ILLEGAL' type of humans! 
The man is a MEGA-MORON and his stance and published POV has had to change or he won't be getting any LATINO votes.  Not that he will now...but he believes his own BS, so he'll assume the rest of the world does as well.

4ever look at you and I.

We said horrible things to eachother (you more so than me tbf)....would you,like that I held you to that view of me, or that you held me to my first impression of you?

I'm glad I changed my mind about you and glad I can say that I did. I'm sure we will lock horns again but the essence of you, I quite like.

So ok, it's a shit analogy - but it's the same principle.

Sorry Eddie, but that is totally different.  This is a man setting out to use subterfuge to get himself elected to the Presidency of one of the most important and power countries on earth.   Everything he says has to be taken into account, even the fact that he said he thinks his daughter is 'hot' and if he wasn't her father 'he would'!

Where did he say that? It's very poor taste

Donald Trump Won’t Stop Joking About Banging His Daughter

With all the hullabaloo surrounding Donald Trump’s attack on Carly Fiorina in the newest edition of Rolling Stone, it’s gone largely unnoticed that in the very next paragraph, Trump makes an über-creepy sex joke about his daughter Ivanka Trump.

At 69, he can still carry on like the teen who was yanked out of prep school and delivered to Col. Dobias, the take-no-shit instructor at the military academy. After I met Ivanka and praised her to her father, he said, “Yeah, she’s really something, and what a beauty, that one. If I weren’t happily married and, ya know, her father . . . ”

Yeah, no need to finish that thought.
But as Rolling Stone’s Paul Solotaroff points out, this isn’t even the first time Donald Trump has made that joke. Here he is in 2006, on The View:



Trump was asked how he would feel if Ivanka posed for Playboy. “It would be really disappointing — not really — but it would depend on what’s inside the magazine. I don’t think Ivanka would do that, although she does have a very nice figure. I’ve said if Ivanka weren’t my daughter, perhaps I’d be dating her.”
Earlier in 2003 on The Howard Stern Show, Donald Trump was also bragging about his daughter’s hot body: “You know who’s one of the great beauties of the world, according to everybody? And I helped create her. Ivanka. My daughter, Ivanka. She’s 6 feet tall, she’s got the best body. She made a lot money as a model—a tremendous amount.”
Societal taboos aside, Trump’s “favorite book” The Bible [url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=leviticus 18:8-18:18&version=NIV]isn’t exactly on board with incest[/url].

http://www.mediaite.com/online/donald-trump-wont-stop-joking-about-banging-his-daughter/


His first wife in her book accused him of rape.

Euwwww. That is more than yuck!

I do know a few men (particularly) who make crude jokes like this - and I've heard some really crude ones - but it's all about having a laugh....not my cup of tea necessarily and I can laugh at pretty much anything.

eddie wrote:4ever look at you and I.
We said horrible things to eachother (you more so than me tbf)....would you,like that I held you to that view of me, or that you held me to my first impression of you?

I'm glad I changed my mind about you and glad I can say that I did. I'm sure we will lock horns again but the essence of you, I quite like.

So ok, it's a shit analogy - but it's the same principle.

  WOW...first you've pulled Tommy into this topic and he's not been here but Stormee has; so I'm wondering just what / why you've skirted around an issue that you seem to be wanting to discuss and now you've

{I don't hold grudges}

dragged me into this quagmire and yet again inserted that

"we said horrible things to each other (you more so than me tbf)

You have as your USUAL METHOD promote an agenda {coy doesn't become you} and your obtrusiveness SUCKS!!! 
A.) I'm no Donald Trump
B.) you have no - NO FOUNDATION to compare me to Donald Trump
C.) if you want to have an adult discussion about adult issues that aren't related to Donald Trump then FFS why don't you just do that and stop the BS pretentious CRAP

And here I'd was thinking you'd really be what you keep telling me you were: open/honest and over yourself! You really are a train wreck...now where's all of your hyena pack to rush in here to whine & cry that I'm THE MEANY!!! 

Sassy???
Can you explain what I meant please

4ever that was supposed to have come out one way and yet it's come out another..?

I didn't mean anything how you just took it??!

Gawd I didn't explain myself well at all

It's not just what he says about his daughter, he says revolting things to many women because they are women.  One debate they had, the adjudicator was a woman, because she kept him under control he said absolutely vile things about her, something about she must have been pissy because she was on her period.  He's put up picture of Cruz's wife and basically said she was a munter where his wife is beautiful (plastic) etc etc.  And he lies, and he lies and he follows it up with more lies.  He's disgusting in every way possible.

4EVER2 wrote:

eddie wrote:4ever look at you and I.
We said horrible things to eachother (you more so than me tbf)....would you,like that I held you to that view of me, or that you held me to my first impression of you?

I'm glad I changed my mind about you and glad I can say that I did. I'm sure we will lock horns again but the essence of you, I quite like.

So ok, it's a shit analogy - but it's the same principle.

  WOW...first you've pulled Tommy into this topic and he's not been here but Stormee has; so I'm wondering just what / why you've skirted around an issue that you seem to be wanting to discuss and now you've

{I don't hold grudges}

dragged me into this quagmire and yet again inserted that

"we said horrible things to each other (you more so than me tbf)

You have as your USUAL METHOD promote an agenda {coy doesn't become you} and your obtrusiveness SUCKS!!! 
A.) I'm no Donald Trump
B.) you have no - NO FOUNDATION to compare me to Donald Trump
C.) if you want to have an adult discussion about adult issues that aren't related to Donald Trump then FFS why don't you just do that and stop the BS pretentious CRAP

And here I'd was thinking you'd really be what you keep telling me you were: open/honest and over yourself! You really are a train wreck...now where's all of your hyena pack to rush in here to whine & cry that I'm THE MEANY!!! 

Actually, she didn't it that way, put it down to lost in translation.

Eddie simply meant that she changed her mind about you and thinks Trump has a right to change his mind about things.  I'm trying to explain that he doesn't change his mind about things, he just says what he thinks will manipulate people the best at the time.

Yes sassy, it really was. I obviously typed too fast and didn't make myself clear.

I often think that although we think American and English is the same, it isn't!

sassy wrote:I often think that although we think American and English is the same, it isn't!

Well I do hope she sees this tomorrow as I never meant it as insulting - it was actually a compliment!

I'm sure it will be ok, don't think she in online at the mo, they have high winds and she'd had to batten down the hatches.

Stormee wrote:

sassy wrote:


LOL!   Trump is probably the most artifical, put on, pretend, misogynic piece of sh.t that has come out of America.  He should be taken out to sea and dumped, although he'd probably pollute the ocean.

Wish we had him here to cleanse our island.

I have a great idea, stormee.  Did you know Donald's mother was UK, Mary MacLeod?  Aye lad, the MacLouds fra th isle 'o Skye.

That means he's within 2-degrees of sanguinity, and makes him a Brit under British law.  So you come, now, and fetch 'em.  We hate to lose 'em...but bye, bye now.

sassy wrote:I often think that although we think American and English is the same, it isn't!

I think that explains a lot of misunderstandings between Brits and Yanks.
We may look alike, walk and talk alike, but we are not alike.
I read Eddies post and I thought she was being nice rather than nasty.