It's Time for a Palestinian State

by Guest Mon Apr 18, 2016 2:05 pm

A Palestinian state has never existed during any period in human history. Let’s change that.
The United States has spent billions of dollars trying to create a Palestinian state. It’s time that we finally got our money’s worth.

We’ve been putting money in the broken Palestinian slot machine in the metaphorical Palestinian casino (the real one was shot up when terrorists turned it into a base) for decades. It’s time to finally get our Palestinian jackpot.

But to make it happen, we need to be realistic.

Forget the peace process. Forget negotiations. They’ve never worked before. They’re not going to now. And there’s nothing to negotiate anyway.

There are almost a million Jews living on territory claimed by the PLO. Removing them would be the single greatest act of ethnic cleansing against an indigenous population today. It would also be impossible. But the same people who insist that the United States, a country of 318 million, can’t deport 11 million illegal aliens, think that Israel will somehow deport 1/8th of its own population if they just chant loudly enough about “occupation” outside Jewish businesses in London or San Francisco.

Ethnically cleansing 8,000 Jews from Gaza/Gush Katif led to nationwide civil disobedience, riots and, eventually, the fall of a political party and three straight terms for Prime Minister Netanyahu. Now imagine trying to deport 800,000 people from their homes simply because they’re Jewish.

And it wouldn’t just be the Jews alone being rounded up into trucks, buses and maybe boxcars.

52 percent of Arabs in East Jerusalem would rather be Israeli citizens than live under the PLO. Are we support to deport 100,000 Arabs from Jerusalem to make way for this imaginary “Palestinian” state?

How much ethnic cleansing do we have to do to make the Islamic colonial fantasy of Palestine real? It’s not going to happen.

Let’s create a real Palestinian state instead. And I don’t mean the PLO’s President for Life Mahmoud Abbas going down to the UN to give another speech. Abbas is on his 11th year of a 4-year term. The US spent $4.5 billion promoting “Palestinian democracy” and the last PLO election was ten years ago.

Hamas won. It would win today all over again.

Current polling shows that 2/3 of “Palestinians” want Abbas to resign. Abbas has no political authority to form a Palestinian state, a Palestinian shawarma stand or a Palestinian anything.

If there’s going to be a Palestinian state, it has to be based on the will of the people. That means it will be a Hamas state. A Palestinian state that is not based on the will of its people has no legitimacy. The only legitimate Palestinian state is therefore a Hamas terror state.

And that’s the only kind of state you can have when 2/3 of “Palestinians” support stabbing Israeli civilians, 89% want to live under an Islamic State run by Sharia law, 84% want to stone adulterers to death and 66% support killing any Muslim who leaves Islam.

Only an Islamic terror state can truly represent the homicidal aspirations of the Palestinian people. Is this some sort of sick joke? Yes it is. But it’s not my sick joke. It’s the sick joke that is Palestine. Now let’s begin the process of turning this sick twisted joke into its own state.

The first thing to do is dismantle the UNRWA, a UN agency specifically dedicated to catering to “Palestinians”. The UNRWA is one of the key elements of the Palestinian welfare state. And the US kicks in around $300 million to the organization which fulfills many of the functions of a state. But a state doesn’t need its own refugee agency. And a Hamas terror state doesn’t need a further $350 million dollars in US foreign aid to promote “democracy” and improve its infrastructure and institutions.

This is going to be a problem because the imaginary Palestinian state also has a fantasy economy. The largest employer in the Palestinian Authority is the Palestinian Authority. Most of its money comes from America, Europe, Israel and, for some inconceivable reason, Japan.

The terror state gets its electricity from Israel. It gets its water and internet through Israel. So let’s get a clear look at what a real Palestinian state would look like. It would be Gaza writ large. But without the UNRWA and the rest of the NGOs lining up to provide jobs and social services. It would be an “open air prison”, as anti-Israel activists screech of Gaza, but a prison created and maintained by the inmates. It would be constantly at war with Israel and the rest of the world. The way it is now.

The economy will be a thinly disguised feudal system of Islamists with engineering degrees in mansions paying starvation wages to laborers to harvest olives to be shipped to China. There will be shopping malls for some and little shacks on the edges full of smugglers, drug labs and brothels for everyone else.

That’s the Islamist dream.

Palestine’s political system will consist of Hamas and more Hamas. Or maybe once the Hamas alliance with ISIS in the Sinai lapses, there will finally be a democratic election between Hamas and ISIS to decide just how horrible of a place the misshapen slices of Gaza and the West Bank under terrorist occupation will become. Nothing will function except the religious police and the gallows in the dusty squares.

There will be wars every two years. That will be just long enough to rebuild the hospitals, mosques and schools that were being used as launch sites in the last wars. In between the big wars, the terrorist groups, Hamas factions, ISIS, Islamic Jihad and anybody else, will fight each other in the streets.

It will be glorious.

Imagine the last few decades of terror, bombings, missile strikes, firefights, corruption, thievery and utter dysfunction made into a permanent state of affairs. That’s Palestine. That’s the two-state solution. Just don’t ask what it solves except the Middle East’s severe shortage of terrorist states and terrorists.

If you will it, it is no dream. This nightmare already exists and it can be a real country. It already has an anthem, a flag, no elections and no reason to exist except killing everyone else. It’s a foreign aid funded ISIS with more olive harvests and a more robust campus presence.

Everyone talks about creating a Palestinian state, but no one actually wants to do it.

It’s time for Palestine to stop being a pipe dream full of pipe bombs that we spend billions of dollars on. Just pull out a seat at the UN, hold democratic elections and then step away from the explosions.

A real two-state solution is just that simple. And it can happen tomorrow.

Let’s stop fantasizing about peace. Peace and Palestine go together like oil and water. This is what a real Palestinian state would look like. And the moment it comes into being, any possibility of peace dies.

- See more at: http://sultanknish.blogspot.co.uk/2016/04/its-time-for-palestinian-state.html#sthash.KtJbmkre.dpuf

This is the sad reality of those who claim to champion the Palestinian cause. Whilst I certainly back the right of self determination. No person of Liberal standing and values. Would though, back and support an extremist Islamist group to then run this nation. As such a state will effect the well being and equality of many groups of people. So whilst I will defend the right to have "self determination". It does not mean I then have to support the majority view held by that people. As the creation of a such a Hamas run Islamist states, would then deny self determination through the creation of a Theocracy. So you can easily support the belief of "self determination" but you certainly do not have to support those views held by that people. This is why it astounds me how some so called lefties can claim to hate Israel, whilst they are supporting and backing oppressive groups like Hamas. The article is spot on as well, as if the Palestinians had ever wanted peace, they could have turned to actually do this with Israel decades ago.

So there is only a couple of simple questions left to ask.

Are those who support the creation of a Palestinian state happy to wait as I am, for a time, when the Palestinian people support in the majority a progressive democratic party, who will look and act to bring about peace.

Or are they happy to support the creation of a Hamas led Palestinian Islamist state, that will have no democracy, denying countless human rights?

by Ben Reilly Mon Apr 18, 2016 7:59 pm

Thanks for sharing that bigoted, sulky temper tantrum, which ignores several important facts and glosses over a lot of others. I'm just in the right mood to find it hilarious rather than infuriating.

by eddie Mon Apr 18, 2016 8:07 pm

Why did that make me laugh? lol!

by Guest Mon Apr 18, 2016 10:35 pm

Ben_Reilly wrote:Thanks for sharing that bigoted, sulky temper tantrum, which ignores several important facts and glosses over a lot of others. I'm just in the right mood to find it hilarious rather than infuriating.

Thanks for sharing your unseasoned reply, where you simply have not researched the subject and based on your regressive views would not understand.

Again my question still stands, do you care to answer it or avoid it?

Are those who support the creation of a Palestinian state happy to wait as I am, for a time, when the Palestinian people support in the majority a progressive democratic party, who will look and act to bring about peace.

Or are they happy to support the creation of a Hamas led Palestinian Islamist state, that will have no democracy, denying countless human rights?

by Guest Mon Apr 18, 2016 10:43 pm

Picture Of PA President 'Abbas Burned At PFLP Protest In Gaza; Severe Tension Between 'Abbas, PFLP

There have recently been intense tensions between the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP) and the Palestinian Authority (PA) leadership, in particular PA President Mahmoud 'Abbas. These tensions peaked after pictures of 'Abbas and PA Foreign Minister Riyad Al-Maliki were burned during a PFLP protest in Gaza.
'Abbas and the PFLP differ substantially on relations with Israel and on the promotion of the Palestinian cause in general. The PFLP is known for its opposition to the Oslo Accords, criticizes 'Abbas's policy on negotiations with Israel, and calls to escalate the intifada and carry out armed resistance vis-a-vis Israel. Moreover, the PFLP demands that the PA immediately halt its security coordination with Israel and implement the March 5, 2015 PLO Executive Committee decision to end it.
The PFLP's scathing criticism of 'Abbas's policy grew worse after an interview he gave on March 31, 2016 to the Israeli Channel 2 program "Uvda", in which he expressed, for the first time, opposition to stabbing attacks carried out by Palestinian youths against Israelis, and also stated that he desired to continue the security coordination.[1] On April 3, 2016, the PFLP issued a press release demanding that the PLO's Central Council and Executive Committee come out against 'Abbas's statements in the interview and hold him accountable on these matters.[2] PFLP Central Council member Rabbah Mhanna called on his Facebook page for 'Abbas to resign, claiming he had "crossed all national red lines."[3]The PFLP also criticized a March 29, 2016 condolence visit by a PA delegation to the family of Chief Brigadier General Mounir Amar, the head of Israel's Civil Administration in the West Bank, who had been killed in a plane crash on March 26, 2016.[

PFLP's official Facebook page posts photo of protestors burning 'Abbas picture with the caption "Leave, 'Abbas, leave!" (Facebook.com/878066455561308, April 12, 2016)

[size=13]Burning pictures of Al-Maliki and Al-Madhbouh with the caption "Murderer" (Facebook.com/878066455561308, April 12, 2016)[/size]

Protestors carrying coffins for the martyrs. The parade included Hamas and PIJ members (Pflp.ps, April 12, 2016)

The Palestinian media widely covered the tensions between the PFLP and PA officials. Several articles on the topic were published, both by writers close to the PFLP and by 'Abbas supporters.

http://www.memri.org/report/en/0/0/0/0/0/0/9131.htm

by Guest Mon Apr 18, 2016 11:17 pm

From the official Palestinian WAFA news agency:

Presidential Spokesperson Nabil Abu Rudeineh Sunday stated that the Israeli government is plunging the whole region into endless violence and chaos.

Speaking to Palestine TV from Moscow, Abu Rudenieh stated that uncommon and clear political positions would be taken within the next few days or weeks with regards to the Question of Palestine, which stands at a serious crossroads.

Describing President Mahmoud Abbas’ visit to Moscow as “highly significant,” he explained that moves and decisions would be soon taken by the Palestinian leadership in coordination with key European states and Moscow in order not to allow the current status quo continue.

He noted that the Israeli government should halt all of its measures and abandon its positions that had been detrimental to the peace process and stressed that Israeli government’s policies, coupled with the United States’ incapacity and international withdrawal from solving the Question of Palestine, could no longer be tolerated.

“We warn that the lack of a solution to the Question of Palestine would serve to fuel more violence, chaos and terrorism worldwide,” he stated.

He urged major world powers to reconsider their total bias in favor of the Israeli government which is plunging the whole region into endless violence, devastation and problems.

Abbas arrived to Moscow on Sunday afternoon for a two-day diplomatic visit, where he is scheduled to meet with his Russian counterpart Vladimir Putin on Monday, to address Arab League’s efforts to obtain a UN Security Council resolution against Israeli settlement construction in the occupied Palestinian Territories.

Abbas and Putin are set to discuss the organization of an international peace conference to address the Question of Palestine.

Apart from Abu Rudeineh, Abbas is accompanied by Secretary-General of PLO Executive Committee Saed Erekat, Foreign Minister Riyad al-Mlaiki, Presidential Advisor on Diplomatic Affairs Majdi al-Khalidi and Palestinian Ambassador to Russia Abd al-Hafith Nofal.

Once again, the message being given from Mahmoud Abbas is that without pressuring Israel to give him everything he demands, there will continue to be terrorism and war throughout the world.

So far no Western leader hasn't answered with any of the obvious responses:

1. How exactly will Israel's caving to demands stop fighting in Syria, Iraq, Libya and Yemen, for starters?
2. If the lack of peace is causing war, then your adamant refusal to meet with Israeli leaders should mean that you are partially responsible for wars in the region too, aren't you?
3. If You are making it sound a lot like you are going to ensure that terrorism will be around unless you are satisfied with Israeli concessions. How is this different from a mob-style threat?
4. If you declare that you are satisfied with Israeli peace moves, does that mean that everything will be peaceful? What about your more hawkish opponents like Hamas?
5. If you have so much influence over your own people and the Arab world to be the one who decides what concessions are enough, then why aren't you using that influence to create an environment of peace today?

This is a blackmail playing to the world's fears of irrational Muslim terror, and Abbas is happy to exploit those fears to extract concessions from frightened world leaders grasping at straws to hope that by some magic, an Israel-Palestinian peace agreement would take the wind out of the sails of the Islamic State and Boko Haram.

And Hamas and Islamic Jihad, which have veto power over any peace agreement Abbas comes up with.

http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/2016/04/abbas-again-attempts-to-blackmail-world.html

by Raggamuffin Tue Apr 19, 2016 8:21 am

If there was such a State, and the people wanted a Hamas-led one where they might not have any rights, isn't that up to them?

by Guest Tue Apr 19, 2016 8:58 am

Raggamuffin wrote:If there was such a State, and the people wanted a Hamas-led one where they might not have any rights, isn't that up to them?

Never denied it is not up to them
The question is though whether you would support the creation of a Hamas led state, which since its election victory in Gaza has not since held any elections and is based on Islamic theocray

by Fuzzy Zack Tue Apr 19, 2016 11:09 am

Ben_Reilly wrote:Thanks for sharing that bigoted, sulky temper tantrum, which ignores several important facts and glosses over a lot of others. I'm just in the right mood to find it hilarious rather than infuriating.

Lol! Could not have put it better myself.

by Fuzzy Zack Tue Apr 19, 2016 11:12 am

didge wrote:
Ben_Reilly wrote:Thanks for sharing that bigoted, sulky temper tantrum, which ignores several important facts and glosses over a lot of others. I'm just in the right mood to find it hilarious rather than infuriating.

Thanks for sharing your unseasoned reply, where you simply have not researched the subject and based on your regressive views would not understand.

Again my question still stands, do you care to answer it or avoid it?

Are those who support the creation of a Palestinian state happy to wait as I am, for a time, when the Palestinian people support in the majority a progressive democratic party, who will look and act to bring about peace.

Or are they happy to support the creation of a Hamas led Palestinian Islamist state, that will have no democracy, denying countless human rights?

You are effectively denying a two state solution becuase you think Palestine would be a terror state.

After all the accusations you have levelled against me being for a 2 state solution, this exposes you as a hypocrite.

HA HA!

by Raggamuffin Tue Apr 19, 2016 11:23 am

If if turned out to be a terrorist state and attacked Israel, Israel would simply defend itself and attack Palestine back. Then Israel would probably take over it and everything would be back to square one. Therefore, it would be a bit silly for a Palestinian State to start any trouble.

by Guest Tue Apr 19, 2016 11:29 am

Fuzzy Zack wrote:
didge wrote:

Thanks for sharing your unseasoned reply, where you simply have not researched the subject and based on your regressive views would not understand.

Again my question still stands, do you care to answer it or avoid it?

Are those who support the creation of a Palestinian state happy to wait as I am, for a time, when the Palestinian people support in the majority a progressive democratic party, who will look and act to bring about peace.

Or are they happy to support the creation of a Hamas led Palestinian Islamist state, that will have no democracy, denying countless human rights?

You are effectively denying a two state solution becuase you think Palestine would be a terror state.

After all the accusations you have levelled against me being for a 2 state solution, this exposes you as a hypocrite.

HA HA!

Incorrect, I support a two state solution, one born from human rights and equality, which is very possible if under different leadership

I never said I think it would become a terrorist state, it would be if Hamas held power to form a new state

I see your ability to understand or even answer the question must mean you would support a hamas led Palestinian state

I see your immaturity level has regressed even further

So you only exposed again how stupid you are yet again

by Irn Bru Wed Apr 20, 2016 12:22 am

The OP was written by Daniel Greenfield who is right up there with the Islamaphobes funded by millions of dollars to pump out anything to deny the Palestians a state of there own. He has even been featured on loonwatch.

Daily Bruin: Jews and Muslims Unite Against Bigotry Instigated by David Horowitz Freedom Center Ad.

You should read this Didge because you are right up there with them.

http://www.loonwatch.com/2011/10/daily-bruin-jews-and-Muslims-unite-against-bigotry-instigated-by-david-horowitz-freedom-center-ad/

"The Mooslims! are heeere!"

Those pesky Mooslims won't agree to live in their self-governing states within Eretz Israel so we'll bomb them into agreeing.

Your new found friends are worthy of your support. They get paid loads and you do t for free.

by Guest Wed Apr 20, 2016 6:05 am

Quelle surprise

Irn cannot answer the questions

Instead what does he try to do?

Deligitimize

Sorry that wont cut it the weasel tactic is just going to be ignored from, you from now on, as it is insignificant

What is relevant is your ability to answer questions you always avoid

David Horowitz speaks the truth on many matters, its just appeasers like you that make outlandish claims..and you use loonwatch a site run by Muslims that attack even people like historians Tom Holland

by Irn Bru Thu Apr 21, 2016 12:43 am

didge wrote:Quelle surprise

Irn cannot answer the questions

Instead what does he try to do?

Deligitimize

Sorry that wont cut it the weasel tactic is just going to be ignored from, you from now on, as it is insignificant

What is relevant is your ability to answer questions you always avoid

David Horowitz speaks the truth on many matters, its just appeasers like you that make outlandish claims..and you use loonwatch a site run by Muslims that attack even people like historians Tom Holland

That statement I have highlighted completes your complete transformation from someone who defends the rights of minority groups to am out and out bigot and racist that I always knew you were.

Horowitzt with his pals Spencer, Geller and Greenfieild are part of the North American Islamaphobic industry funded by millions of dollars and it isn't just Muslims, it's the black community as well.

These people are disgusting and trade on fear - something you used to do with RWs on here and elswhere wasn't it?
Horowitz used to defend human rights but changed his mind - a bit like you really.

Ben Norton summed him and rest of them up including you friend Daniel Greenfileld, Geller and Spencer in this article.

http://bennorton.com/david-horowitz-godfather-of-islamophobia-and-defender-of-slavery/

You're obviously a Trumper Didge.

And you won't ignore me Laughing

by Guest Thu Apr 21, 2016 5:41 am

Wow yet more accusations and nothing that actially answers any of my points.

Allegations of racism

Chip Berlet, writing for the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC), identified Horowitz's Center for the Study of Popular Culture as one of 17 "right-wing foundations and think tanks support[ing] efforts to make bigoted and discredited ideas respectable."^[66] Berlet accused Horowitz of blaming slavery on "black Africans … abetted by dark-skinned Arabs" and of "attack[ing] minority 'demands for special treatment' as 'only necessary because some blacks can't seem to locate the ladder of opportunity within reach of others,' rejecting the idea that they could be the victims of lingering racism."^[66]^{[not in citation given]}
Horowitz published an open letter to Morris Dees, president of the SPLC, saying that "[this reminder] that the slaves transported to America were bought from African and Arab slavers" was a response to demands that only whites pay reparations to blacks. He said he never held Africans and Arabs solely responsible for slavery. He said that Berlet's accusation of racism was a "calculated lie" and asked for his report to be removed.^[67] The SPLC refused Horowitz's request.^[68] Horowitz has criticized Berlet and the SPLC on his website and personal blog.^[69]^[70]
In 2008, while speaking at UCSB, Horowitz criticized Arab culture, saying it was rife with antisemitism.^[71]^[72] He also referred to the Palestinian keffiyeh, a traditional Arab head covering that became associated withPLO leader Yasser Arafat, as a symbol of terrorism. In response, UCSB professor Walid Afifi said that Horowitz was "preaching hate" and smearing Arab culture.^[72]

Criticizing Islamic organizations[edit]

Horowitz has used university student publications and lectures at universities as venues for publishing provocative advertisements or lecturing on issues related to Islamic student and other organizations. In April 2008, his 'David Horowitz Freedom Center' advertised in the Daily Nexus, the University of California Santa Barbara school newspaper, saying that the Muslim Students' Association (MSA) had links with the Muslim Brotherhood, Al Qaeda, and Hamas.^[73] In May 2008, Horowitz, speaking at UCSB, said that the Muslim Students' Association supports "a second Holocaust of the Jews".^[72] The MSA said they were a peaceful organization and not a political group.^[73] The MSA's faculty adviser said the group had "been involved in interfaith activities with Jewish student groups, and they've been involved in charity work for national disaster relief."^[72]
Similarly Horowitz ran the ad in The GW Hatchet, the student newspaper of George Washington University in Washington, DC. Jake Sherman, the newspaper's editor-in-chief, said claims the MSA was radical were "ludicrous." He vowed to review his newspaper's editorial and advertising policies.^[74]
Horowitz published a 2007 piece in the Columbia University newspaper, saying that, according to [unnamed and undocumented] public opinion polls, "between 150 million and 750 million Muslims support a holy war against Christians, Jews and other Muslims."^[75]
Speaking at the University of Massachusetts Amherst in February 2010, Horowitz compared Islamists to Nazis, saying: "Islamists are worse than the Nazis, because even the Nazis did not tell the world that they want to exterminate the Jews."^[76]
Horowitz created a campaign for what he called "Islamo-Fascism Awareness Week," in parody of multicultural awareness activities. He helped arrange for leading critics of radical Islam to speak at more than a hundred college campuses in October 2007.^[77] As a speaker he has met with intense hostility.^[78]^[79]^[80]
In a 2011 review of anti-Islamic activists in the US, the Southern Poverty Law Center identified Horowitz as one of 10 people in the United States' "Anti-Muslim Inner Circle."^[81]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Horowitz

You see everytime you try to smear its easy for me to expose your lies Irn

All can see you are running scared Irn, and its embarrassing to watch you do this, for someone who once upon a time actually took on the points of the debate, where every time now all you can do is talk about me

I am happy with that.

So again the points still stand of which you refuse to answer.

Let me place them up again for you

Are those who support the creation of a Palestinian state happy to wait as I am, for a time, when the Palestinian people support in the majority a progressive democratic party, who will look and act to bring about peace.

Or are they happy to support the creation of a Hamas led Palestinian Islamist state, that will have no democracy, denying countless human rights?

One last try

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