Cameron Makes Deal

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-35616768

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-idUKKCN0VQ1Q1

I am not happy to give migrants money to send back to their own country

dodgy deal....as you would expect from "we are all in this together" dave.....

Very dodgy deal, not giving very many details at the moment.

Funny how the right wingers are turning on Dave.
We warned you he was a lying, slimy two faced little shit many times.
At last you are starting to believe us.

OH is not the most left wing person in the world, but when Cameron comes on he doesn't mince his words about him lol  It normal starts with a W and ends in er!

Winner

Handy Andy wrote:Funny how the right wingers are turning on Dave.
We warned you he was a lying, slimy two faced little shit many times.
At last you are starting to believe us.

But one that is delivering the much wanted eu referendum!!!

So a much better one than brown, Blair, clegg, milliband, corbyn, major etc...!!!


Thatcher was the last British prime minister to stand up for Britain and our national sovereignty and parliamentary powers when she saw what the EU was trying to become, with her famous 'no no no' speech.




"...In 1988 there came the controversial "Bruges speech".


"We have not successfully rolled back the frontiers of the state in Britain, only to see them re-imposed at a European level, with a European super-state exercising a new dominance from Brussels," Mrs Thatcher declared.

It delighted the right of her party but horrified those more well-inclined towards Europe.

... despite increasing divisions within her party over Europe, she came up with another soundbite.

The then president of the European Commission, Jacques Delors, had called for the European Parliament to be the democratic body of the community, the commission to be the executive and the Council of Ministers to be the senate.

"No. No. No," Thatcher famously told the Commons on 30 October 1990..."



But despite all her battles over Europe, Mrs Thatcher did also sign the Single European Act, which created the single European market - one of the biggest acts of European integration.

In her 1993 book, The Downing Street Years, she defended the decision, saying: "Advantages will indeed flow from that achievement well into the future."

Major's troubles

By 2002, however, she had changed her mind, believing signing up to the single market had been a terrible error.

After being ousted from Downing Street in 1990, Mrs - later to become Baroness - Thatcher continued to make her views known.

As her successor, John Major, fought Tory rebels over the Maastricht treaty, her disdain for increasing EU integration burned as brightly as ever.

In 1995 she criticised Mr Major's government for signing the treaty and returned to the fray the following year, saying the UK might have to pull out of the EU.

Once William Hague took over the Tory reins, she eagerly embraced his anti-euro currency stance and regularly ensured she had her say at party conferences and during the 2001 general election campaign.

Later that year she made her feelings known about former chancellor Ken Clarke's bid for the Conservative leadership, saying he would lead the party to "disaster".

Super state

"He seems to view with blithe unconcern the erosion of Britain's sovereignty in Europe," she said, adding that his leadership would put Europe "at the forefront of politics".

And although illness forced Lady Thatcher to step out of the limelight, it did not stop her making her increasingly outspoken views on the EU known.

In her 2002 book, Statecraft, she suggested the European single currency was an attempt to create a "European super state" and would fail "economically, politically and socially".

She called for a "fundamental re-negotiation" of Britain's links with the EU, stopping short of calling for withdrawal but nevertheless suggesting that the UK should pull out of common agricultural, fisheries, foreign and defence policies

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-11598879

David Cameron will announce referendum date today as he claims to have secured 'special status' for Britain in the EU - but critics slam deal that gives away key demands on welfare, borders and benefits

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3455306/Drama-European-leaders-come-agreement-UK-marathon-Brussels-talks-threatened-end-humiliating-defeat-Cameron.html#ixzz40hRNcRLR
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He has fluft it, I believe despite his brave hard as nails face he must feel humiliated.

Tellem, no no no.

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Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3455306/Drama-European-leaders-come-agreement-UK-marathon-Brussels-talks-threatened-end-humiliating-defeat-Cameron.html#ixzz40hRNcRLR
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He has fluft it, I believe despite his brave hard as nails face he must feel humiliated.

Tellem, no no no.

Sorry man, it's going to be this way until we figure out how to hold rich people accountable for the evil they create. Prior generations did it with the gallows and the guillotine; here's hoping our generation finds a more civilized means of persuasion.

Typical left wing socialist, "you'v got more than me so I want some of it"

Do you want the EU to control our country and our parliament???


Or do you want British people to control our country and our parliament???



If you want us to get control back then vote to leave the EU!!!

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He has fluft it, I believe despite his brave hard as nails face he must feel humiliated.

Tellem, no no no.

Sorry man, it's going to be this way until we figure out how to hold rich people accountable for the evil they create. Prior generations did it with the gallows and the guillotine; here's hoping our generation finds a more civilized means of persuasion.

seems perfectly reasonable to me....

chop the rich bastards head off......then he wont be in any position to argue.....or bribe his way back to the top of the heap...

sassy wrote:OH is not the most left wing person in the world, but when Cameron comes on he doesn't mince his words about him lol  It normal starts with a W and ends in er!

My OH isn't a left wing (not very right wing either) but he hates Cameron with a vengeance.

any "normal" person would, sadly he was the least worst choice......

sad when politics comes to that .....

Stormee wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-35616768

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-idUKKCN0VQ1Q1

I am not happy to give migrants money to send back to their own country

cameron can take whatever view he wishes, and it is up to him to argue his case, however I think Michael gove makes a rather better case than anythign I have heard from cameron

http://order-order.com/2016/02/20/read-gove-statement-in-full/

For weeks now I have been wrestling with the most difficult decision of my political life. But taking difficult decisions is what politicians are paid to do. No-one is forced to stand for Parliament, no-one is compelled to become a minister. If you take on those roles, which are great privileges, you also take on big responsibilities.

I was encouraged to stand for Parliament by David Cameron and he has given me the opportunity to serve in what I believe is a great, reforming Government. I think he is an outstanding Prime Minister. There is, as far as I can see, only one significant issue on which we have differed.

And that is the future of the UK in the European Union.

It pains me to have to disagree with the Prime Minister on any issue. My instinct is to support him through good times and bad.

But I cannot duck the choice which the Prime Minister has given every one of us. In a few months time we will all have the opportunity to decide whether Britain should stay in the European Union or leave. I believe our country would be freer, fairer and better off outside the EU. And if, at this moment of decision, I didn’t say what I believe I would not be true to my convictions or my country.

I don’t want to take anything away from the Prime Minister’s dedicated efforts to get a better deal for Britain. He has negotiated with courage and tenacity. But I think Britain would be stronger outside the EU.

My starting point is simple. I believe that the decisions which govern all our lives, the laws we must all obey and the taxes we must all pay should be decided by people we choose and who we can throw out if we want change. If power is to be used wisely, if we are to avoid corruption and complacency in high office, then the public must have the right to change laws and Governments at election time.

But our membership of the European Union prevents us being able to change huge swathes of law and stops us being able to choose who makes critical decisions which affect all our lives. Laws which govern citizens in this country are decided by politicians from other nations who we never elected and can’t throw out. We can take out our anger on elected representatives in Westminster but whoever is in Government in London cannot remove or reduce VAT, cannot support a steel plant through troubled times, cannot build the houses we need where they’re needed and cannot deport all the individuals who shouldn’t be in this country. I believe that needs to change. And I believe that both the lessons of our past and the shape of the future make the case for change compelling.

The ability to choose who governs us, and the freedom to change laws we do not like, were secured for us in the past by radicals and liberals who took power from unaccountable elites and placed it in the hands of the people. As a result of their efforts we developed, and exported to nations like the US, India, Canada and Australia a system of democratic self-government which has brought prosperity and peace to millions.

Our democracy stood the test of time. We showed the world what a free people could achieve if they were allowed to govern themselves.

In Britain we established trial by jury in the modern world, we set up the first free parliament, we ensured no-one could be arbitrarily detained at the behest of the Government, we forced our rulers to recognise they ruled by consent not by right, we led the world in abolishing slavery, we established free education for all, national insurance, the National Health Service and a national broadcaster respected across the world.

By way of contrast, the European Union, despite the undoubted idealism of its founders and the good intentions of so many leaders, has proved a failure on so many fronts. The euro has created economic misery for Europe’s poorest people. European Union regulation has entrenched mass unemployment. EU immigration policies have encouraged people traffickers and brought desperate refugee camps to our borders.

Far from providing security in an uncertain world, the EU’s policies have become a source of instability and insecurity. Razor wire once more criss-crosses the continent, historic tensions between nations such as Greece and Germany have resurfaced in ugly ways and the EU is proving incapable of dealing with the current crises in Libya and Syria. The former head of Interpol says the EU’s internal borders policy is “like hanging a sign welcoming terrorists to Europe” and Scandinavian nations which once prided themselves on their openness are now turning in on themselves. All of these factors, combined with popular anger at the lack of political accountability, has encouraged extremism, to the extent that far-right parties are stronger across the continent than at any time since the 1930s.

The EU is an institution rooted in the past and is proving incapable of reforming to meet the big technological, demographic and economic challenges of our time. It was developed in the 1950s and 1960s and like other institutions which seemed modern then, from tower blocks to telexes, it is now hopelessly out of date. The EU tries to standardise and regulate rather than encourage diversity and innovation. It is an analogue union in a digital age.

The EU is built to keep power and control with the elites rather than the people. Even though we are outside the euro we are still subject to an unelected EU commission which is generating new laws every day and an unaccountable European Court in Luxembourg which is extending its reach every week, increasingly using the Charter of Fundamental Rights which in many ways gives the EU more power and reach than ever before. This growing EU bureaucracy holds us back in every area. EU rules dictate everything from the maximum size of containers in which olive oil may be sold (five litres) to the distance houses have to be from heathland to prevent cats chasing birds (five kilometres).

Individually these rules may be comical. Collectively, and there are tens of thousands of them, they are inimical to creativity, growth and progress. Rules like the EU clinical trials directive have slowed down the creation of new drugs to cure terrible diseases and ECJ judgements on data protection issues hobble the growth of internet companies. As a minister I’ve seen hundreds of new EU rules cross my desk, none of which were requested by the UK Parliament, none of which I or any other British politician could alter in any way and none of which made us freer, richer or fairer.

It is hard to overstate the degree to which the EU is a constraint on ministers’ ability to do the things they were elected to do, or to use their judgment about the right course of action for the people of this country. I have long had concerns about our membership of the EU but the experience of Government has only deepened my conviction that we need change. Every single day, every single minister is told: ‘Yes Minister, I understand, but I’m afraid that’s against EU rules’. I know it. My colleagues in government know it. And the British people ought to know it too: your government is not, ultimately, in control in hundreds of areas that matter.

But by leaving the EU we can take control. Indeed we can show the rest of Europe the way to flourish. Instead of grumbling and complaining about the things we can’t change and growing resentful and bitter, we can shape an optimistic, forward-looking and genuinely internationalist alternative to the path the EU is going down. We can show leadership. Like the Americans who declared their independence and never looked back, we can become an exemplar of what an inclusive, open and innovative democracy can achieve.

We can take back the billions we give to the EU, the money which is squandered on grand parliamentary buildings and bureaucratic follies, and invest it in science and technology, schools and apprenticeships. We can get rid of the regulations which big business uses to crush competition and instead support new start-up businesses and creative talent. We can forge trade deals and partnerships with nations across the globe, helping developing countries to grow and benefiting from faster and better access to new markets.

We are the world’s fifth largest economy, with the best armed forces of any nation, more Nobel Prizes than any European country and more world-leading universities than any European country. Our economy is more dynamic than the Eurozone, we have the most attractive capital city on the globe, the greatest “soft power” and global influence of any state and a leadership role in NATO and the UN. Are we really too small, too weak and too powerless to make a success of self-rule? On the contrary, the reason the EU’s bureaucrats oppose us leaving is they fear that our success outside will only underline the scale of their failure.

This chance may never come again in our lifetimes, which is why I will be true to my principles and take the opportunity this referendum provides to leave an EU mired in the past and embrace a better future.

Lets put him in charge of the out campaign and make #Brexit a certainty

Lord Foul wrote:dodgy deal....as you would expect from "we are all in this together" dave.....

it really doesn't matter what anyone thinks of cameron or any of the other players in this. Those committed on either side wont have their minds changed, but the up to 20% of undecideds are the ones that need to be convinced. Making it personal is more likely to alienate them. Argue the issues not the players.
Cameron obviously thinks this is the best thing for britain, I think he is wrong, his vote counts as much as mine, yours or anyone else's.

The only thing that matters is regaining the UK's sovereignty and then UK governments can actually govern britian, and will be responsible for failures or success and we can eject or re-elect them on that success or failure. Something we cannot do to the EU law makers

Handy Andy wrote:Funny how the right wingers are turning on Dave.
We warned you he was a lying, slimy two faced little shit many times.
At last you are starting to believe us.

yes he lied about giving a referendum. or did he?
he lied about supporting staying in. Or did he?
the problem with you is you cannot see beyond your own petty political ideals and see the bigger picture. you in another thread suggested you would stay in because of who was voting for out. What an absolutely stupid way to decide britains future.
but nothing I wouldn't expect from you.

Stormee wrote:Winner

surely you know that's not true. The tories lost the 2015 election to a massive landslide for special Ed

Tommy Monk wrote:

Handy Andy wrote:Funny how the right wingers are turning on Dave.
We warned you he was a lying, slimy two faced little shit many times.
At last you are starting to believe us.

But one that is delivering the much wanted eu referendum!!!

So a much better one than brown, Blair, clegg, milliband, corbyn, major  etc...!!!


Thatcher was the last British prime minister to stand up for Britain and our national sovereignty and parliamentary powers when she saw what the EU was trying to become, with her famous 'no no no' speech.




"...In 1988 there came the controversial "Bruges speech".


"We have not successfully rolled back the frontiers of the state in Britain, only to see them re-imposed at a European level, with a European super-state exercising a new dominance from Brussels," Mrs Thatcher declared.

It delighted the right of her party but horrified those more well-inclined towards Europe.

... despite increasing divisions within her party over Europe, she came up with another soundbite.

The then president of the European Commission, Jacques Delors, had called for the European Parliament to be the democratic body of the community, the commission to be the executive and the Council of Ministers to be the senate.

"No. No. No," Thatcher famously told the Commons on 30 October 1990..."



But despite all her battles over Europe, Mrs Thatcher did also sign the Single European Act, which created the single European market - one of the biggest acts of European integration.

In her 1993 book, The Downing Street Years, she defended the decision, saying: "Advantages will indeed flow from that achievement well into the future."

Major's troubles

By 2002, however, she had changed her mind, believing signing up to the single market had been a terrible error.

After being ousted from Downing Street in 1990, Mrs - later to become Baroness - Thatcher continued to make her views known.

As her successor, John Major, fought Tory rebels over the Maastricht treaty, her disdain for increasing EU integration burned as brightly as ever.

In 1995 she criticised Mr Major's government for signing the treaty and returned to the fray the following year, saying the UK might have to pull out of the EU.

Once William Hague took over the Tory reins, she eagerly embraced his anti-euro currency stance and regularly ensured she had her say at party conferences and during the 2001 general election campaign.

Later that year she made her feelings known about former chancellor Ken Clarke's bid for the Conservative leadership, saying he would lead the party to "disaster".

Super state

"He seems to view with blithe unconcern the erosion of Britain's sovereignty in Europe," she said, adding that his leadership would put Europe "at the forefront of politics".

And although illness forced Lady Thatcher to step out of the limelight, it did not stop her making her increasingly outspoken views on the EU known.

In her 2002 book, Statecraft, she suggested the European single currency was an attempt to create a "European super state" and would fail "economically, politically and socially".

She called for a "fundamental re-negotiation" of Britain's links with the EU, stopping short of calling for withdrawal but nevertheless suggesting that the UK should pull out of common agricultural, fisheries, foreign and defence policies

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-11598879

careful mentioning the "T" word to leftists can cause aneurysms

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He has fluft it, I believe despite his brave hard as nails face he must feel humiliated.

Tellem, no no no.

he should have had the courage to say they have not given us anywhere near enough and I will be leading the out vote. Sadly he went into the negotiations wanting to stay in at any price, not really a good negotiating strategy.
there is no denying that europe is on the ropes at the moment and the UK could have gone for the throat and extracted a far better deal. they need us to stay far more than we need them. If we go it could be the start of a domino effect.

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He has fluft it, I believe despite his brave hard as nails face he must feel humiliated.

Tellem, no no no.

Sorry man, it's going to be this way until we figure out how to hold rich people accountable for the evil they create. Prior generations did it with the gallows and the guillotine; here's hoping our generation finds a more civilized means of persuasion.

will you be suggesting the guillotine for Hiliary? she become rich off the backs of the poor hasn't she?

nicko wrote:Typical left wing socialist,   "you'v got more than me so I want some of it"

but I dont want to work for it

Lord Foul wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Sorry man, it's going to be this way until we figure out how to hold rich people accountable for the evil they create. Prior generations did it with the gallows and the guillotine; here's hoping our generation finds a more civilized means of persuasion.

seems perfectly reasonable to me....

chop the rich bastards head off......then he wont be in any position to argue.....or bribe his way back to the top of the heap...

or create the business's that provide the jobs that feed your families. but who said a socialist ever thought anything through

The Devil, You Know wrote:

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He has fluft it, I believe despite his brave hard as nails face he must feel humiliated.

Tellem, no no no.

Sorry man, it's going to be this way until we figure out how to hold rich people accountable for the evil they create. Prior generations did it with the gallows and the guillotine; here's hoping our generation finds a more civilized means of persuasion.

will you be suggesting the guillotine for Hiliary? she become rich off the backs of the poor hasn't she?

Giving speeches to rich people doesn't strike me as getting rich off the backs of the poor.

What he wanted: The 2015 Tory manifesto promised that: ‘If an EU migrant’s child is living abroad, then they should receive no child benefit, no matter how long they have worked in the UK and no matter how much tax they have paid.’

Sticking point: A watered down agreement that child benefit payments will be linked to the cost of living in the child’s homeland has been agreed. But Eastern European countries insisted the rules should not apply to people who were already in the UK. The new regime is likely to be phased in over a number of years. Again, Eastern Europe does not want any other EU country to be able to apply the new rules.

I don't understand this one. Why should the UK tax payers pay for children who don't even live here? Their own Governments should pay for them.

Just another thing that shouldn't have been allowed to be happening in the first place... but is... because of the EU madness and our politicians subservience to it all... the fact that we are unable to stop it without the permission of the EU shows just how mental the whole thing has got!!!



Open door to 500 million eu people has led to mass immigration that has kept down wages while hugely pushing up the costs of living... but then because wages are no longer enough to cover costs etc... the govt gives out billions of extra handouts to make up the difference!!!


Just perpetuating the problems!!!


While if we didn't allow so many in in the first place, the costs of living would be much lower and the same level of wages would have covered the costs... meaning no need for the taxpayer funded handouts and also less strain on public services meaning less cost too!!!