White Zimbarbwean Driven Off Their Land

Neighbours of the couple described the doctor as 'a perfect gentleman' who would never want to cheat anyone else.
'He is an exceptionally nice man and a perfect gentleman,' one local resident said. 'You couldn't meet a nicer guy.
'Veronica keeps to herself but she's nice too. They moved in here around 2006, I believe. They've always been approachable.'


The neighbour added that the couple had spent less time at their Nottingham home recently as they stepped up their charity work in Zimbabwe.


Dr Nyatsuro's lawyer today denied that his client had clashed with the Rankin family, claiming that the farmers had not been able to prove that they are the rightful owners of the land.


He also insisted that the doctor's political connections were not responsible for his being given the farm, saying 'any Zimbabwean has a right to benefit from the land reform programme'.


Fungai Chimwamurombe, a Harare-based solicitor, told MailOnline: 'The government's position is that the farm was acquired over a decade ago.
'At various court sessions we attended with Mr Rankin and his lawyer, they failed to show the legal basis why he was occupying the farm.
'It is our understanding that the minister of lands offered our client the land because they believe it is state land and it is up to Mr Rankin to prove otherwise.

nicko wrote:Let the Doctor have the land,   but give the Doctors house to the Farmer!

veya_victaous wrote:

nicko wrote:Let the Doctor have the land,   but give the Doctors house to the Farmer!

I have to ask
IF someone had been farming British state land without paying to do so After the court had said they had no legal claim to the land what would you say to do to them?


Interesting that you side with a White Tobacoo farmer over a Black Doctor & charity worker

nicko wrote:Let the Doctor have the land,   but give the Doctors house to the Farmer!

Raggamuffin wrote:

nicko wrote:Let the Doctor have the land,   but give the Doctors house to the Farmer!

Yes. If the doctor is now going to be running a farm in Zimbabwe, he won't need his house in Nottingham.

I think he should have his citizenship revoked and he should be deported if he comes back here.

sassy wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Yes. If the doctor is now going to be running a farm in Zimbabwe, he won't need his house in Nottingham.

I think he should have his citizenship revoked and he should be deported if he comes back here.

Really?  What would you do to all the white Brits who buy houses in Spain, America, Portugal etc etc and live there?  Would you revoke their citizenship?  Because there are a hell of a lot of them.



An estimated 5.5m British people live permanently abroad – almost one in 10 of the UK population. The emigration of British people has happened in cycles over 200 years. The trend is now rising again: some 2,000 British citizens moved permanently away from the UK every week in 2005.
This unique project aims to explain where people have gone. On the regional and country pages you will find data on what we know about that part of the world. For more on the methodology and the key issues about emigration, click on the links at the bottom of these pages.

BRITS ABROAD: THE TOP COUNTRIES
[th]Country name[/th][th]Resident Britons[/th]

Australia	1,300,000
Spain	761,000
United States	678,000
Canada	603,000
Ireland	291,000
New Zealand	215,000
South Africa	212,000
France	200,000

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/in_depth/brits_abroad/html/default.stm


That was a few years ago, there are more now.

sassy wrote:Why should he?  Because you say so.  He can do what he likes, he doesn't answer to you or anyone else.

sassy wrote:He also insisted that the doctor's political connections were not responsible for his being given the farm, saying 'any Zimbabwean has a right to benefit from the land reform programme'.


Fungai Chimwamurombe, a Harare-based solicitor, told MailOnline: 'The government's position is that the farm was acquired over a decade ago.
'At various court sessions we attended with Mr Rankin and his lawyer, they failed to show the legal basis why he was occupying the farm.
'It is our understanding that the minister of lands offered our client the land because they believe it is state land and it is up to Mr Rankin to prove otherwise.

Raggamuffin wrote:

sassy wrote:He also insisted that the doctor's political connections were not responsible for his being given the farm, saying 'any Zimbabwean has a right to benefit from the land reform programme'.


Fungai Chimwamurombe, a Harare-based solicitor, told MailOnline: 'The government's position is that the farm was acquired over a decade ago.
'At various court sessions we attended with Mr Rankin and his lawyer, they failed to show the legal basis why he was occupying the farm.
'It is our understanding that the minister of lands offered our client the land because they believe it is state land and it is up to Mr Rankin to prove otherwise.

The doctor says he's British though! If he doesn't want to be British, he should sod off and they should revoke his citizenship, then he can go and make a failure out of the farm he stole.

sassy wrote:Oh do give it a rest, Stormee and you are only supporting the farmer because he is white.  He's been farming on state land for 10 years, he doesn't own it and if the state want to give it to someone else they are allowed to.  They have said he has to prove it is his.  If it is, he will have documentation which it seems he hasn't produced.

sassy wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

The doctor says he's British though! If he doesn't want to be British, he should sod off and they should revoke his citizenship, then he can go and make a failure out of the farm he stole.

Then they had better revoke the citizenship of every Brit living and working abroad.  Total drivel.

sassy wrote:Oh do give it a rest, Stormee and you are only supporting the farmer because he is white.  He's been farming on state land for 10 years, he doesn't own it and if the state want to give it to someone else they are allowed to.  They have said he has to prove it is his.  If it is, he will have documentation which it seems he hasn't produced.

sassy wrote:Face it Rags, you wouldn't give a fuck about the farmer if he was black.  Why do you think you and Stormee latched on the WHITE ZIMBARBWEAN.  Margarbe is a thug, he's been a thug for a long time, if they were stupid enough to think that they were going to carry on for ever they were kidding themselves.  They took a chance, it didn't work out.  Yep, I feel sorry for them for the work they put in, but they knew the conditions of the country.  If a tenant went into a house and did it all up and the landlord didn't renew their lease, it would be exactly the same.

sassy wrote:No, because the Palestinians are living in PALESTINE.  So they are living on THEIR land, not ISRAELI land DOH, DOH AND BLOODY DOH AGAIN.

Raggamuffin wrote:

veya_victaous wrote:

nicko wrote:Let the Doctor have the land,   but give the Doctors house to the Farmer!

I have to ask
IF someone had been farming British state land without paying to do so After the court had said they had no legal claim to the land what would you say to do to them?


Interesting that you side with a White Tobacoo farmer over a Black Doctor & charity worker

It's interesting that you side with a wealthy British doctor from Nottingham over a tobacco farmer from Zimbabwe. Is it because the doctor is black, because he's wealthy, because he's a doctor - or maybe even because he's from Britain? Nah, not the last one obviously.

What legal claim does the doctor have to the land by the way?

veya_victaous wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

It's interesting that you side with a wealthy British doctor from Nottingham over a tobacco farmer from Zimbabwe. Is it because the doctor is black, because he's wealthy, because he's a doctor - or maybe even because he's from Britain? Nah, not the last one obviously.

What legal claim does the doctor have to the land by the way?

Actually siding with the courts.  the doctor has the legal title to the land. that is like the POINT of the article, he has been awarded it through the in just but completely legally allotment of state land through ballot.
that land had been reacquired under eminent domain laws that exist in most nations and although everyone agrees that the compensation was inadequate, it is still the law.

and generally I do not think highly of tobacco farmers,
if a Brit appears to be half decent (like by being a doctor and charity worker) then I will even side with a Brit over a Tobacco farmer
And when the tobacco farmer is SO DUMB as to think they can defy Mugabe for 10 years and not get their comeuppance well I have very little sympathy for them. sounds like A lot of the farmers that lost their homes earlier in Mugabe’s reign would have dearly loved to the afforded the opportunity this family had to leave Zimbabwe with most of their assets (had the left a few years ago when they first lost court cases)

I just thought it was Odd that nicko for once did not side with the British Citizen. You and stormees response was a bit predictable

veya_victaous wrote:
And what is it with Brits and the crazy idea life is Fair..

I get the feeling you think Minorities should be grateful to have You treat them as poorly as you do, because it is better than before.  It may be an Improvement but it is still not fair and the inequity is seen and felt by minorities that become disassociated and do not respect the law.

Raggamuffin wrote:I get it Veya, I get that you have finally exposed your true racist nature. You have completely ignored the racial aspect of the eviction, so I expect you to completely ignore any racial aspect in other subject. Of course you won't - you won't call a non-white person "dumb" for allegedly being repressed, you'll call them a victim. You only reserve your blame for those who are white, even if they're victims.

You want "fairness" for non-white people, but you think that if a white person wants fairness, they must be "dumb" or crazy.

Raggamuffin wrote:

veya_victaous wrote:
And what is it with Brits and the crazy idea life is Fair..

It's strange that you want fairness in the other thread isn't it, and you don't think that's "crazy"? Leaving aside the fact that you're talking shit about what I've said, it's odd that you think fairness should only apply to people who aren't white.

I get the feeling you think Minorities should be grateful to have You treat them as poorly as you do, because it is better than before.  It may be an Improvement but it is still not fair and the inequity is seen and felt by minorities that become disassociated and do not respect the law.

veya_victaous wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:I get it Veya, I get that you have finally exposed your true racist nature. You have completely ignored the racial aspect of the eviction, so I expect you to completely ignore any racial aspect in other subject. Of course you won't - you won't call a non-white person "dumb" for allegedly being repressed, you'll call them a victim. You only reserve your blame for those who are white, even if they're victims.

You want "fairness" for non-white people, but you think that if a white person wants fairness, they must be "dumb" or crazy.

No You want a world were as A brit you get to tell other nations what to do.
Not only do you want, you seem to believe it exists (like so many Brits do)

And You are ignoring the original Racist eviction happened 10 years ago!!!! there are A Lot of White Zimbabweans that were treated a lot worse than this family. And even the Original racist eviction was a response to racism against natives by white Zimbabweans thus Again they reaped what they sowed.

As An Aussie I accept I only have a say here, I can make suggestions but when a nation is not even part of the west in fact in open opposition to it, there mere fact I am westerner is going to make them ignore it.



I do think some Africa Ameircan Communties are dumb, they have access to guns and the local police are obviously injust. It amazes me that there is not open revoltuion in some states.

veya_victaous wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

It's strange that you want fairness in the other thread isn't it, and you don't think that's "crazy"? Leaving aside the fact that you're talking shit about what I've said, it's odd that you think fairness should only apply to people who aren't white.

do 2 wrongs make a right?
because we accept the world is not perfect we should not even try to be good?

Ohh and wait these White farmers... they Acted EXACTLY like the dispossesed Black youth in the UK!!! DISOBEYED they LAW THEY THOUGHT injust.
So you Support the White farmer doing it, But think the blacks Should be Ashamed of themesleves for thinking of doing the same.

You are just outing yourself
Only care about White people, automatically blame balck people. White man Suffers punsihment for breaking the law and they are victims black person breaks the law they should be ashamed and harshly punished. You would be up in arms if a black person evaded justice for a decade

One suggestion was that the doctor should be asked what his attitude would be if his clinic was seized by an ‘indigenous’ British person connected to the governing Conservative party at a day’s notice without compensation (he would be allowed to take his stethoscope away with him).

veya_victaous wrote:Actually I will let all those comments(complements) Stand. I will not even try and refute them
As it says a lot about a person's moral Character When they care more for others than they do themselves, Being a Straight White Male the fact my Empathy extends to those that are unlike myself is evidence of it's sincerity.
 
they fact You only seek Justice for Your tribe, those Like Yourself, Speaks Volumes about the Sincerity too.


At least be honest like Stormee and admit you care only for the Apes from your island.

Raggamuffin wrote:

veya_victaous wrote:Actually I will let all those comments(complements) Stand. I will not even try and refute them
As it says a lot about a person's moral Character When they care more for others than they do themselves, Being a Straight White Male the fact my Empathy extends to those that are unlike myself is evidence of it's sincerity.
 
they fact You only seek Justice for Your tribe, those Like Yourself, Speaks Volumes about the Sincerity too.


At least be honest like Stormee and admit you care only for the Apes from your island.

There's nothing sincere about you. You're fake, hypocritical, racist, and stupid. You hate Brits, unless they're black, and then you think they're marvellous, even if they're greedy, thieving racists like the "nice" doctor.

Raggamuffin wrote:Oh look, here comes another leftie, no doubt full of the spirit of "justice", "equality", and "fairness", but only if those things apply to people who aren't white.

Raggamuffin wrote:

veya_victaous wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:I get it Veya, I get that you have finally exposed your true racist nature. You have completely ignored the racial aspect of the eviction, so I expect you to completely ignore any racial aspect in other subject. Of course you won't - you won't call a non-white person "dumb" for allegedly being repressed, you'll call them a victim. You only reserve your blame for those who are white, even if they're victims.

You want "fairness" for non-white people, but you think that if a white person wants fairness, they must be "dumb" or crazy.

No You want a world were as A brit you get to tell other nations what to do.
Not only do you want, you seem to believe it exists (like so many Brits do)

And You are ignoring the original Racist eviction happened 10 years ago!!!! there are A Lot of White Zimbabweans that were treated a lot worse than this family. And even the Original racist eviction was a response to racism against natives by white Zimbabweans thus Again they reaped what they sowed.

As An Aussie I accept I only have a say here, I can make suggestions but when a nation is not even part of the west in fact in open opposition to it, there mere fact I am westerner is going to make them ignore it.



I do think some Africa Ameircan Communties are dumb, they have access to guns and the local police are obviously injust. It amazes me that there is not open revoltuion in some states.

Haha! You spend most of your time on here telling Brits what they should do, and being completely unable to mind your own business.  Suggesting what you should do, Only Telling you "Uk sucks"

Once again, you have completely ignored the blatant racial discrimination re this subject, and yet you have no problem inventing "racism" when it suits you - as long as you're not talking about white people of course.

No I didn't I said the original Repossession under eminent domain was unjust because they didn't receive adequate compensation. it was legal. However the land ownership was unjust in the first place. Again Neither is actually good 



You actually disgust me. You bleat on and on about people being "victims" simply because they're black, and when you're actually faced with a blatantly racist situation involving white victims, you actually blame them because they're white and say they deserve it.
they are vicitms but not great vicitims... the probelm is if you actually cared rather than just lookign for excuses to justify you own oppression of minorities then you would have been talking about it 15 years ago when White farmers Actally lost their lives trying to keep their farms. Where was this farmer when they came for the others, he shut up and hoped it would never effect him. So 10 years ago when they came for him there was no one left to stand up for him and he lost, his hopes dashed Mugabe had come.  the fact that he isn't dead and been openly defying a goverment that is known for having a violent dictator for 10 years is actually quite remarkable. 

Original Quill wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

veya_victaous wrote:Actually I will let all those comments(complements) Stand. I will not even try and refute them
As it says a lot about a person's moral Character When they care more for others than they do themselves, Being a Straight White Male the fact my Empathy extends to those that are unlike myself is evidence of it's sincerity.
 
they fact You only seek Justice for Your tribe, those Like Yourself, Speaks Volumes about the Sincerity too.


At least be honest like Stormee and admit you care only for the Apes from your island.

There's nothing sincere about you. You're fake, hypocritical, racist, and stupid. You hate Brits, unless they're black, and then you think they're marvellous, even if they're greedy, thieving racists like the "nice" doctor.

Lol...I, on the other hand, think you are marvelous, veya.  Bravo!

But how did we turn this thread into to a discussion about veya?  I was just reading along about this farm in Africa, and....POW!  I guess Raggs conceded the point and we moved on...  

Raggamuffin wrote:

sassy wrote:Face it Rags, you wouldn't give a fuck about the farmer if he was black.  Why do you think you and Stormee latched on the WHITE ZIMBARBWEAN.  Margarbe is a thug, he's been a thug for a long time, if they were stupid enough to think that they were going to carry on for ever they were kidding themselves.  They took a chance, it didn't work out.  Yep, I feel sorry for them for the work they put in, but they knew the conditions of the country.  If a tenant went into a house and did it all up and the landlord didn't renew their lease, it would be exactly the same.

Oh right, so you also think that Palestinians are stupid then? After all, they know the score in Palestine and the conditions, so if their homes are demolished, it's their fault for being "stupid", right?

That couple were born in Zimbabwe, they are Zimbabwean. They didn't go there from another country. You don't feel sorry for them, you think they deserve what they get - because they're white. They are being thrown out because they're white, not for any other reason, and a black person is being moved in because he's black - not for any other reason.

You would have no problem with a black British couple being thrown out of their home in the UK just so that a rich white couple from another country can move in? If someone suggested that a black person can't be British, and should therefore should make way for a white person from another country, you'd have no problem with that?  

Of course you would, you'd be screaming your head off, so it's strange that when it's the other way round, you think it's perfectly right and fair, even if it means supporting the likes of Mugabe.

You are supporting racism and discrimination based on the colour of someone's skin. You are supporting ethnic cleansing. You are supporting thugs who thinks that one has be black to be Zimbabwean. You are racist, and I will never take you seriously again when you start complaining about racism.

nicko wrote:This Doctor taking over the Farm,  has also thrown out of work 40 labours  and 4 families out of their houses on the estate.    Didn't think of that did you SASSY?

Original Quill wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:Oh look, here comes another leftie, no doubt full of the spirit of "justice", "equality", and "fairness", but only if those things apply to people who aren't white.

Are we still talking about a farm in Zimbabwe?