Wrist Bands For Asylum Seekers

by Major Tue Jan 26, 2016 6:48 pm

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3416052/KATIE-HOPKINS-Britain-prepared-provide-inclusive-resort-service-asylum-seekers-wear-bloody-wristband.html

They should be bleedin grateful, if they are TRUE asylum seekers they should have been through worse things, shovelling bulls** more like.

by Tommy Monk Tue Jan 26, 2016 7:58 pm

Yes... more bullshit I think!

Notice how these type of stories are immediately followed up with being compared to jews in nazi germany etc...!?

by Guest Tue Jan 26, 2016 8:00 pm

by Tommy Monk Tue Jan 26, 2016 8:06 pm

Hardly a queue for the all inclusive restaurant in the nice hotel in Wales Dodge. ..

by Guest Tue Jan 26, 2016 8:09 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:Hardly a queue for the all inclusive restaurant in the nice hotel in Wales Dodge. ..

Nice hotel?

So Tommy equates labels onto people off one hotel not having a clue how most asylum seekers live.
Not only that, now any far right hater intent on violence has now refuges highlighted as clear as day to commit violence to.
You know, just exactly how many Jews themselves were victims of violence in Nazi Germany.
Have you actually read any history or have you only ever read your bible Mein Kampf?

by Tommy Monk Tue Jan 26, 2016 8:22 pm

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/10499829/Asylum-seekers-put-up-in-luxury-hotel-at-cost-of-400000.html

And the other story about their front doors being painted red also confirms that they are being housed in regular accommodation too... while we have huge numbers of our own people on council waiting lists...!!!

by Guest Tue Jan 26, 2016 8:28 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/10499829/Asylum-seekers-put-up-in-luxury-hotel-at-cost-of-400000.html

And the other story about their front doors being painted red also confirms that they are being housed in regular accommodation too... while we have huge numbers of our own people on council waiting lists...!!!

Yep one hotel is Tommy's evidence

MYTH: Asylum seekers take all the benefits.
FACT: Asylum seekers are not able to claim benefits in the conventional way British Citizens are. If they are granted asylum they will be provided with cash support which they have to collect from a local post office each week. The current rate is £36.95 for each person in their household. This is at least half the amount that UK citizens receive if they are over 25 and on job-seekers allowance. Even pregnant mothers only receive an additional £3 per week, hardly an amount which will cripple the Britain’s economy compared with the amount claimed by UK citizens.
MYTH: Asylum seekers take all the properties and jobs.
FACT: Due to the status they have under immigration law, those seeking asylum are randomly allocated housing and have no choice as to where they live. It is unlikely to be in highly populated and also desirable places such as London and the South East.
Whilst waiting for a decision on their application, asylum seekers are not allowed to work. The government states that is because entering the country for economic reasons is not the same as seeking asylum and it is important to separate the two.
- See more at: https://www.absolutebarrister.com/blog/uk-asylum-myths/#sthash.70d24czB.dpuf

by Tommy Monk Tue Jan 26, 2016 8:45 pm

I didn't say anything about money... but your post just confirmed the allocation of housing happens... plus the putting up in hotels with all inclusive meals also proved as it is what is happening in OP and happened in the link I provided in the 5 star hotel...

Plenty of examples of the same happening!!!

No wonder so many are getting on the asylum blag here and in rest of Europe! !!

They know that they only have to get in to a country, claim asylum because of any number of spurious reasons, then get given a house or put up in nice hotel all expenses paid!!!

If you look young... or even if you don't look that young... tell the authorities you are 15 and you get even more looked after and even better chance of staying permanently!!!

I'm surprised Dodge is so supportive of people lying and cheating and defrauding our system, abusing our good nature, and giving the minority of genuine asylum seekers a bad name!!!

by Guest Tue Jan 26, 2016 8:50 pm

No all my post stated was that asylum seekers are sometime given temporary accommodation, until some housing can be found for them. You seem to think they are there indefiantly and then completely making a false fabrication yet again.
So nobody is supportive of anyone lying and cheating being as it is me exposing you for continuing to lie and cheat on countless topics Tommy

All of which your views are irrelevant at hand
Just because some are housed as a temp measure in a hotel, does not mean they should have labels like Jews, homosexuals, communists, etc did in Nazi Germany. There are other forms of identification that do not shout to the world who a person is, thus making them then vulnerable to violent attacks

by Tommy Monk Tue Jan 26, 2016 8:58 pm

So they are housed in 5 star hotels and given regular housing too!!!

Just as I said!!!

by Guest Tue Jan 26, 2016 9:00 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:So they are housed in 5 star hotels and given regular housing too!!!

Just as I said!!!

so how many have been given temporary accommodation in hotels tommy out of all asylum applicants and for how long?

Take your time

Its nothing like you were implying at all lol

by Tommy Monk Tue Jan 26, 2016 9:22 pm

Well... let me think...

Is it... 'ONLY A FEW!'...!!!???

lol!

But it's not just hotels Dodge is it...!?

They are given regular accommodation in houses and flats too!!!

While we have huge numbers of our own people in need waiting on council lists!!!

by Guest Tue Jan 26, 2016 9:25 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:Well... let me think...
Is it... 'ONLY A FEW!'...!!!???
But it's not just hotels Dodge is it...!?
They are given regular accommodation in houses and flats too!!!

While we have huge numbers of our own people in need waiting on council lists!!!

And we are back to Tommy lying again, as he again bases this off one hotel of which is only a temp measure
There are given many places that other people do not want to live in.
So again Tommy fibs yet again
How many more times I am going to catch you out Tommy

One moment

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by Major Tue Jan 26, 2016 9:37 pm

Maybe Dodge has private reasons for supporting worldwide scroungers instead of us whitiz.
Much like a woman who on another forum supported blacks impregnating white women, then she let it slip her dorta had black kids, vested interest, mind you, she vanished from forums after it.

by Guest Tue Jan 26, 2016 9:41 pm

Stormee wrote:Maybe Dodge has private reasons for supporting worldwide scroungers instead of us whitiz.
Much like a woman who on another forum supported blacks impregnating white women, then she let it slip her dorta had black kids, vested interest, mind you, she vanished from forums after it.

Maybe Stumblebum can show where I support anyone scrounging
Maybe you can explain how refugees are scroungers based on international law
This is about people having labels to physically show who they are, no matter how much you have already stated your view to support something comparable to what the nazi;s did

by Victorismyhero Tue Jan 26, 2016 9:58 pm

oh how the nutters love their nazis

60 odd years ago a moustachioed cnut was very nasty to, well, almost everybody

today any action taken that isnt liked, is compared to his behaviour Wrist Bands For Asylum Seekers 2190311264

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EVEN when isnt ANYTHING like it. has nothing to do with it. Is NOT done for any comparable reason

it just makes a nice thumping board for fools to sound off on....

lets face it ...if the latest idiots (the anti wrist band brigade) are right in what they say then we are ALL victims of a nazi atrocity when we go to concerts etc.

plus.......they can always cover these wristbands up when out in public...they are only there for the purposes of ID whilst acesing the services within the assylum centers.. Rolling Eyes

by Guest Tue Jan 26, 2016 10:02 pm

Lord Foul wrote:oh how the nutters love their nazis

60 odd years ago a moustachioed cnut was very nasty to, well, almost everybody

today any action taken that isnt liked, is compared to his behaviour

EVEN when isnt ANYTHING like it. has nothing to do with it. Is NOT done for any comparable reason

it just makes a nice thumping board for fools to sound off on....

lets face it ...if the latest idiots (the anti wrist band brigade) are right in what they say then we are ALL victims of a nazi atrocity when we go to concerts etc.

plus.......they can always cover these wristbands up when out in public...they are only there for the purposes of ID whilst acesing the services within the assylum centers..

Lol which clearly makes you a Toidi yourself, as why do you need to place a band around someone to identify them when they have other forms of identification?
I guess the part of this making them stand out to be attacked has no comparison to where Jews were attacked for having to wear identification that was physical to be seen
Yes only mindless toidi would back an incentive that have no necessity in the first place

by Victorismyhero Tue Jan 26, 2016 10:07 pm

such as?

you expect em to carry around "papers"

or an Id card...

or what?

If they did THAT you would complain that it was "nazi"

oi you ...papiere bitte Rolling Eyes

maybe they should have a retinal scanner installed in each center....

but who is going to pay for it and maintain both It and the database????

by Guest Tue Jan 26, 2016 10:12 pm

Lord Foul wrote:such as?

you expect em to carry around "papers"

or an Id card...

or what?

If they did THAT you would complain that it was "nazi"

oi you ...papiere bitte

maybe they should have a retinal scanner installed in each center....

but who is going to pay for it and maintain both It and the database????

Well considering your comparison to a concert was about as daft as it gets to compare people who arrive here who could have something as simple a signed document to then obtain food,, of which is its purpose, proves how utterly absurd you are being here Victor
Again making people stand out in public where there has been a height of media attention to some, makes them a target to some, or did that not cross your mind?

Show some savvy eh

“If we refused to wear the wristbands we were told we would be reported to the Home Office. Some staff implemented this policy in a more drastic way than others. I made a complaint about the wristbands to Clearsprings but nothing was done. We had to walk from accommodation about 10 minutes away to Lynx House to get food and sometimes when we were walking down the street with our wristbands showing.

“On the road we had to walk down there is often heavy traffic. Sometimes drivers would see our wristbands, start honking their horns and shout out of the window, ‘Go back to your country.’ Some people made terrible remarks to us.

“If you take off the wristband you can’t reseal it back onto your wrist so if you want to eat you have to wear it all the time. Labelling them on a daily basis with silver, red or blue tags only serves as a reminder that they are still wearing the garments of an outcast.”

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jan/24/asylum-seekers-made-to-wear-coloured-wristbands-cardiff

by Victorismyhero Tue Jan 26, 2016 10:15 pm

and your association of this with nazism is a fallacy....

hitler it seems has gifted a legacy to the usefull fools of today
a usefull "fall back" position of last resort when all else fails....

what part of

a wrist band can be hidden they DONT have to have it on permanent show (unlike the jews in germany)
and
the PURPOSE of this is for them (and only them) to be able to access the facilities within the centers

have you missed....

by Guest Tue Jan 26, 2016 10:17 pm

Lord Foul wrote:and your association of this with nazism is a fallacy....

hitler it seems has gifted a legacy to the usefull fools of today
a usefull "fall back" position of last resort when all else fails....

what part of

a wrist band can be hidden they DONT have to have it on permanent show (unlike the jews in germany)
and
the PURPOSE of this is for them (and only them) to be able to access the facilities within the centers

have you missed....

Sheer gibberish on every level and a failed understanding of Jewish treatment before the final solution
How are they meant to hid the wristband in the summer?
They are meant to keep this on all the time and unless they wear gloves they are going to very much visible
So to hide it is very difficult, even with a long sleeve or have your wrist watch never been exposed when you extend your arm forward?
You really are being as dumb as Tommy here

by Tommy Monk Tue Jan 26, 2016 10:17 pm

Didge wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:Well... let me think...
Is it... 'ONLY A FEW!'...!!!???
But it's not just hotels Dodge is it...!?
They are given regular accommodation in houses and flats too!!!

While we have huge numbers of our own people in need waiting on council lists!!!

And we are back to Tommy lying again, as he again bases this off one hotel of which is only a temp measure
There are given many places that other people do not want to live in.
So again Tommy fibs yet again
How many more times I am going to catch you out Tommy

One moment

People don't want to stay in nice hotels with all inclusive meals provided...!!!???

And we are also talking about nice houses and flats being given to them when we have countless numbers of our own people already waiting for the housing who would jump at the opportunity of moving in!!!

And you know as well as I do that all housing MUST be of a set decent standard!!!

Normally council/housing association places are only given to people in a totally unfurnished state... no settees, no wardrobe furniture, no bedding, no cooker, no fridge etc... and definitely no TV or towels or sheets or other kitchen pots/pans/plates/cutlery etc...

But the asylum seekers are not only getting the housing ahead of all the others waiting... THEY GET THE PLACES DECKED OUT FOR THEM TOO!!!

by Guest Tue Jan 26, 2016 10:19 pm

Dealt with that gibberish Thumbelina and it was based on you telling porkies

We are backed to the topic of the debate

by Victorismyhero Tue Jan 26, 2016 10:19 pm

Didge wrote:
Lord Foul wrote:such as?

you expect em to carry around "papers"

or an Id card...

or what?

If they did THAT you would complain that it was "nazi"

oi you ...papiere bitte

maybe they should have a retinal scanner installed in each center....

but who is going to pay for it and maintain both It and the database????

Well considering your comparison to a concert was about as daft as it gets to compare people who arrive here who could have something as simple a signed document to then obtain food,, of which is its purpose, proves how utterly absurd you are being here Victor
Again making people stand out in public where there has been a height of media attention to some, makes them a target to some, or did that not cross your mind?

Show some savvy eh

“If we refused to wear the wristbands we were told we would be reported to the Home Office. Some staff implemented this policy in a more drastic way than others. I made a complaint about the wristbands to Clearsprings but nothing was done. We had to walk from accommodation about 10 minutes away to Lynx House to get food and sometimes when we were walking down the street with our wristbands showing.

“On the road we had to walk down there is often heavy traffic. Sometimes drivers would see our wristbands, start honking their horns and shout out of the window, ‘Go back to your country.’ Some people made terrible remarks to us.

“If you take off the wristband you can’t reseal it back onto your wrist so if you want to eat you have to wear it all the time. Labelling them on a daily basis with silver, red or blue tags only serves as a reminder that they are still wearing the garments of an outcast.”

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jan/24/asylum-seekers-made-to-wear-coloured-wristbands-cardiff

signed documents used on a daily basis wear out in about 4 weeks.....especially if folded....

papiere bitte??

will that be the next complaint??

AND perhaps they should stop whingeing and consider instead that they are wearing the garment of someone priviliged....at least they are getting 3 square a day, unlike many of our Own....

by Guest Tue Jan 26, 2016 10:21 pm

Lord Foul wrote:
Didge wrote:

Well considering your comparison to a concert was about as daft as it gets to compare people who arrive here who could have something as simple a signed document to then obtain food,, of which is its purpose, proves how utterly absurd you are being here Victor
Again making people stand out in public where there has been a height of media attention to some, makes them a target to some, or did that not cross your mind?

Show some savvy eh

“If we refused to wear the wristbands we were told we would be reported to the Home Office. Some staff implemented this policy in a more drastic way than others. I made a complaint about the wristbands to Clearsprings but nothing was done. We had to walk from accommodation about 10 minutes away to Lynx House to get food and sometimes when we were walking down the street with our wristbands showing.

“On the road we had to walk down there is often heavy traffic. Sometimes drivers would see our wristbands, start honking their horns and shout out of the window, ‘Go back to your country.’ Some people made terrible remarks to us.

“If you take off the wristband you can’t reseal it back onto your wrist so if you want to eat you have to wear it all the time. Labelling them on a daily basis with silver, red or blue tags only serves as a reminder that they are still wearing the garments of an outcast.”

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jan/24/asylum-seekers-made-to-wear-coloured-wristbands-cardiff

signed documents used on a daily basis wear out in about 4 weeks.....especially if folded....

papiere bitte??

will that be the next complaint??

AND perhaps they should stop whingeing and consider instead that they are wearing the garment of someone priviliged....at least they are getting 3 square a day, unlike many of our Own....

Of course this also makes them check in, but hey, did you manage to think outside the box today, or is your vision permanently tunnel these days?
Well so you see there is no need for such a label is there Victor, where its fundamentally exposing them, but hey that is what you want is it not?

by Victorismyhero Tue Jan 26, 2016 10:27 pm

Didge wrote:
Lord Foul wrote:

signed documents used on a daily basis wear out in about 4 weeks.....especially if folded....

papiere bitte??

will that be the next complaint??

AND perhaps they should stop whingeing and consider instead that they are wearing the garment of someone priviliged....at least they are getting 3 square a day, unlike many of our Own....

Of course this also makes them check in, but hey, did you manage to think outside the box today, or is your vision permanently tunnel these days?
Well so you see there is no need for such a label is there Victor, where its fundamentally exposing them, but hey that is what you want is it not?

signed documents wear out in about 4 weeks

so...do you have a better solution?

and.....

they should consider themselves wearing the garment of someone privilidged...at least they get 3 square a day, unlike many of our own....INCLUDING pensioners...

I suppose they could have an electronic card....

but who is going to maintain the (secure) database at each center???

by Victorismyhero Tue Jan 26, 2016 10:27 pm

and at what cost?

by Guest Tue Jan 26, 2016 10:31 pm

Lord Foul wrote:and at what cost?

So human life over cost now

Wow

How much does paper cost to type one letter and print copies dated for that day?
If they walk for food, they can then also then register in daily or weekly.

by Guest Tue Jan 26, 2016 10:32 pm

Lord Foul wrote:
Didge wrote:

Of course this also makes them check in, but hey, did you manage to think outside the box today, or is your vision permanently tunnel these days?
Well so you see there is no need for such a label is there Victor, where its fundamentally exposing them, but hey that is what you want is it not?

signed documents wear out in about 4 weeks

so...do you have a better solution?

and.....

they should consider themselves wearing the garment of someone privilidged...at least they get 3 square a day, unlike many of our own....INCLUDING pensioners...

I suppose they could have an electronic card....

but who is going to maintain the (secure) database at each center???

Yeah trying taking off the Tommy goggles you are wearing
So I see you could not answer my points that they would be very physical and now because I did make you look rather inept go off even more Toidi points

by Victorismyhero Tue Jan 26, 2016 10:40 pm

the id documents HAVE to come from a central (govt) source (think like the passport office...I suppose it will be the immigration control....

a card could be produced on the evidence of this

if they are going to have to wait for a new document every so often they would only whinge about that.....

and YES cost matters....I just done filling in my tax return for last year....ouch........yep...costs matter......

I DONT work to support every man and his dog across the world that fancies ending up here...I dont mind helping OUR less fortunate.....

by Victorismyhero Tue Jan 26, 2016 10:41 pm

nuts didge...you climbed the nazi tree and cant get back down out of it....

by Guest Tue Jan 26, 2016 10:42 pm

Lord Foul wrote:the id documents HAVE to come from a central (govt) source (think like the passport office...I suppose it will be the immigration control....

a card could be produced on the evidence of this

if they are going to have to wait for a new document every so often they would only whinge about that.....

and YES cost matters....I just done filling in my tax return for last year....ouch........yep...costs matter......

I DONT work to support every man and his dog across the world that fancies ending up here...I dont mind helping OUR less fortunate.....

No it does not matter because they are refugees, which you are placing an absurd unnecessary measure in the first place onto them, where we do not have in place elsewhere, the glaring point you seem to miss. I do not work to hear you whinge everyday, but I put up with it.
Humans OUR your less fortunate, what you are essentially making is a Hitler argument, when you say "ours" to then make racial

by Tommy Monk Tue Jan 26, 2016 10:47 pm

Well we all know how bad these people are at looking after their IDs and documents...!!!

lol!

Maybe they should be 'chipped' instead and scanned for entry into hotel and dinner queue...!?

Would serve the same purpose as wrist band or another type of card etc... wouldn't be seen or easily lost... or maybe they should have a little fingerprint id machine installed like a lot of work places have on the front gate of building sites...?

Personally I don't think any should be put up in hotels or given housing, where they are free to roam around among the general public and at risk to the general public while their true identities and criminal histories are unconfirmed and while they are having their applications considered.

by Victorismyhero Tue Jan 26, 2016 10:48 pm

sometimes didge I think your head really IS up your arse

do you know WHY they have to identify themselves to access these facilities???

ITS TO STOP OUR OWN HOMELESS "SCROUNGING" a meal at one of these centers...

to ensure that what is provided goes to the refugees....

so...........

by Guest Tue Jan 26, 2016 10:49 pm

Lord Foul wrote:sometimes didge I think your head really IS up your arse

do you know WHY they have to identify themselves to access these facilities???

ITS TO STOP OUR OWN HOMELESS "SCROUNGING" a meal at one of these centers...

to ensure that what is provided goes to the refugees....

so...........

So how stupid is that, when both should be catered for and you say my head is up my arse,
Next time you jump in calling me a nutter then do not be surprised if the student makes the teacher look the complete arse

by Victorismyhero Tue Jan 26, 2016 10:51 pm

the finger print systen would work I suppose....until one cut his finger...

they bloody devices are positively evil

give em each a watch with an iremoveable strap....with an embedded chip

wouldnt look out of place, would be useful to em
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by Guest Tue Jan 26, 2016 10:52 pm

Lord Foul wrote:the finger print systen would work I suppose....until one cut his finger...

they bloody devices are positively evil

give em each a watch with an iremoveable strap....with an embedded chip

wouldnt look out of place, would be useful to em

Or how about just feeding people that need food

by Victorismyhero Tue Jan 26, 2016 10:56 pm

Didge wrote:
Lord Foul wrote:sometimes didge I think your head really IS up your arse

do you know WHY they have to identify themselves to access these facilities???

ITS TO STOP OUR OWN HOMELESS "SCROUNGING" a meal at one of these centers...

to ensure that what is provided goes to the refugees....

so...........

So how stupid is that, when both should be catered for and you say my head is up my arse,

did I say different...I'm merely saying how it IS, as opposed to how it should be

AND...you would STILL have to identify to stop "free loaders" (unless the food is crap of course ....dunno)

Next time you jump in calling me a nutter then do not be surprised if the student makes the teacher look the complete arse

then dont be so ridiculous as to climb the nazi tree every time....

just becasue they did something similar...for totally different reasons, doesnt mean that whats done here is "nazi-esque"

thats like trying to say the grave digger and the man who digs holes in the road are doing the same thing for the same reasons...not likely unless the road digger works for the mafia....

by Fuzzy Zack Tue Jan 26, 2016 10:57 pm

Stormee wrote:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3416052/KATIE-HOPKINS-Britain-prepared-provide-inclusive-resort-service-asylum-seekers-wear-bloody-wristband.html

They should be bleedin grateful, if they are TRUE asylum seekers they should have been through worse things, shovelling bulls** more like.

The fact that some think asylum seekers need to thank the host nation is the attitude of a selfish kcunt.

I suppose you expect a "thank you" when you give someone some charity?

by Guest Tue Jan 26, 2016 11:00 pm

honestly its like thinking out side the box is something that government is incapable of

i could home and feed all the refugees at a fraction of the cost at the moment

its not rocket science to do it only cheaply but securely

any guesses how.....come on have a go

by Guest Tue Jan 26, 2016 11:00 pm

Lord Foul wrote:
Didge wrote:

So how stupid is that, when both should be catered for and you say my head is up my arse,

did I say different...I'm merely saying how it IS, as opposed to how it should be

AND...you would STILL have to identify to stop "free loaders" (unless the food is crap of course ....dunno)

Next time you jump in calling me a nutter then do not be surprised if the student makes the teacher look the complete arse

then dont be so ridiculous as to climb the nazi tree every time....

just becasue they did something similar...for totally different reasons, doesnt mean that whats done here is "nazi-esque"

thats like trying to say the grave digger and the man who digs holes in the road are doing the same thing for the same reasons...not likely unless the road digger works for the mafia....

No Victor you jumped in and were insulting so I easily matched and made you then look silly and where you even backed my comparison to then say look basically after your own, a Hitler argument. So when you say look after "ours" you fundamentally make a Hitler argument even more so based off placing labels to stigmatize people. So the more you dig a hole the more you will not get out of, as should not it be the case to help all in need, or your Hitler racial argument of looking after what you claim is your own, even though your only connection to who you call your own is being born within a land.

by Victorismyhero Tue Jan 26, 2016 11:03 pm

Fuzzy Zack wrote:
Stormee wrote:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3416052/KATIE-HOPKINS-Britain-prepared-provide-inclusive-resort-service-asylum-seekers-wear-bloody-wristband.html

They should be bleedin grateful, if they are TRUE asylum seekers they should have been through worse things, shovelling bulls** more like.

The fact that some think asylum seekers need to thank the host nation is the attitude of a selfish kcunt.

I suppose you expect a "thank you" when you give someone some charity?

as a matter of general politeness yes ...

it may have passed YOU by, but in our culture it is generally considered polite to say thank you when given something....whether asked for or not....

I even once said "thank you" to a ruddy ATM Embarassed

by Victorismyhero Tue Jan 26, 2016 11:08 pm

Didge wrote:
Lord Foul wrote:

No Victor you jumped in and were insulting so I easily matched and made you then look silly and where you even backed my comparison to then say look basically after your own, a Hitler argument. So when you say look after "ours" you fundamentally make a Hitler argument even more so based off placing labels to stigmatize people. So the more you dig a hole the more you will not get out of, as should not it be the case to help all in need, or your Hitler racial argument of looking after what you claim is your own, even though your only connection to who you call your own is being born within a land.

uhm...that made sense...not scratch

oh and look after your own is, once again, NOT a specifically "hitler" argument either.....(i think thats what you are trying (wrongly) to imply)

(cf the grave digger/road digger)

plenty of other, quite reasonable people have also used it...

by Guest Tue Jan 26, 2016 11:08 pm

What nobody ?

by Victorismyhero Tue Jan 26, 2016 11:10 pm

thing is didge...you have fallen into the trap of using the "nazi" fall back position, and by doing so are therby ascribing the wrong motives and reasoning to the wrong donkey.....

by Guest Tue Jan 26, 2016 11:10 pm

Lord Foul wrote:
Didge wrote:

No Victor you jumped in and were insulting so I easily matched and made you then look silly and where you even backed my comparison to then say look basically after your own, a Hitler argument. So when you say look after "ours" you fundamentally make a Hitler argument even more so based off placing labels to stigmatize people. So the more you dig a hole the more you will not get out of, as should not it be the case to help all in need, or your Hitler racial argument of looking after what you claim is your own, even though your only connection to who you call your own is being born within a land.

uhm...that made sense...not

oh and look after your own is, once again, NOT a specifically "hitler" argument either.....(i think thats what you are trying (wrongly) to imply)

(cf the grave digger/road digger)

plenty of other, quite reasonable people have also used it...

More gibberish, Hitler talked of his own as in Germans, you thus either English or British, so nice try but sorry Victor you are not escaping out of your racial reasoning. Its fundamentally an argument used by Hitler, are you denying that?
Not only that the whole reason to label them was to then deny the homeless food, even more idiotic.
So show me how such a racial view of ours can never apply to Hitler racial reasoning?

by Victorismyhero Tue Jan 26, 2016 11:11 pm

korban dallas wrote:What nobody ?

tempt me not into facetiousness ........ Laughing

by Guest Tue Jan 26, 2016 11:11 pm

Lord Foul wrote:thing is didge...you have fallen into the trap of using the "nazi" fall back position, and by doing so are therby ascribing the wrong motives and reasoning to the wrong donkey.....

No you fell into that when you said "ours" Victor

Comparison, labels to identify people in the general public as a group
Very much Hitler

by Guest Tue Jan 26, 2016 11:16 pm

Lord Foul wrote:
korban dallas wrote:What nobody ?

tempt me not into facetiousness ........

no mate seriously
i could easily home ,feed,care and document all the refugees in reasonable accommodation with out using existing housing stock

its so simple

by Guest Tue Jan 26, 2016 11:20 pm

Islamic world[edit]
717-720
Caliph Umar II orders Jews to wear vestimentary distinctions (called giyār, i.e., distinguishing marks)
847–61
Caliph Al-Mutawakkil reinforces and reissues the edict
887/8
Saracen governor of Sicily order Jews to wear on their garments and put on their doors a piece of cloth in the form of donkey and to wear yellow belts and special hats.[3]
Medieval and Early Modern Europe[edit]
1215
Fourth Lateran Council headed by Pope Innocent III declares: "Jews and Saracens of both sexes in every Christian province and at all times shall be marked off in the eyes of the public from other peoples through the character of their dress." [23]
1219
Pope Honorius III issues a dispensation to the Jews of Castile.[6] Spanish Jews normally wore turbans in any case, which presumably met the requirement to be distinctive.[7]
1222
Archbishop of Canterbury Stephen Langton orders English Jews to wear a white band two fingers broad and four fingers long.[6]
1227
Synod of Narbonne rules: "That Jews may be distinguished from others, we decree and emphatically command that in the center of the breast (of their garments) they shall wear an oval badge, the measure of one finger in width and one half a palm in height." [23]
1228
James I orders Jews of Aragon to wear the badge.[6]
1265
The Siete Partidas, a legal code enacted in Castile by Alfonso X but not implemented until many years later, includes a requirement for Jews to wear distinguishing marks.[9]
1267
In a special session, the Vienna city council forces Jews to wear Pileum cornutum (a cone-shaped head dress, common in medieval illustrations of Jews); the badge does not seem to have been worn in Austria.[15]
1269, June 19
France. (Saint) Louis IX of France orders all Jews found in public without a badge (French: rouelle or roue, Latin: rota) to be fined ten livres of silver.[10] The enforcement of wearing the badge is repeated by local councils, with varying degrees of fines, at Arles 1234 and 1260, Béziers 1246, Albi 1254, Nîmes 1284 and 1365, Avignon 1326 and 1337, Rodez 1336, and Vanves 1368.[6]
1274
The Statute of Jewry in England, enacted by King Edward I, enforces the regulations. "Each Jew, after he is seven years old, shall wear a distinguishing mark on his outer garment, that is to say, in the form of two Tables joined, of yellow felt of the length of six inches and of the breadth of three inches." [14]
1294, October 16
Erfurt. The earliest mention of the badge in Germany.[6]
1315–1326
Emir Ismail Abu-I-Walid forces the Jews of Granada to wear the yellow badge.[6]
1321
Henry II of Castile forces the Jews to wear the yellow badge.[6]
1415, May 11
Bull of the Antipope Benedict XIII orders the Jews to wear a yellow and red badge, the men on their breast, the women on their forehead.[6]
1434
Emperor Sigismund reintroduces the badge at Augsburg.[6]
1528
The Council of Ten of Venice allows the newly arrived famous physician and professor Jacob Mantino ben Samuel to wear the regular black doctors' cap instead of Jewish yellow hat for several months (subsequently made permanent), upon the recommendation of the French and English ambassadors, the papal legate, and other dignitaries numbered among his patients.[24]
1555
Pope Paul IV decrees, in his Cum nimis absurdum, that the Jews should wear yellow hats.
1566
King Sigismund II passes a law that required Lithuanian Jews to wear yellow hats and head coverings. The law was abolished twenty years later.[6]
1710
Frederick William I of Prussia abolished the mandatory Jewish yellow patch in return for a payment of 8,000 thaler (about $75,000 worth of silver at 2007 prices) each.[25]
Nazi Europe[edit]
1939, September and October
A number of local German occupational commanders ordered Jewish Poles in their areas to wear an identifying mark under the threat of death. There were no consistent requirements as to its color and shape: it varies from a white armband to a yellow Star of David badge.
1939, 23 November
Hans Frank ordered all Jewish Poles above the age of 11 years in German-occupied Poland to wear white armbands with a blue Star of David.
1940
A popular legend portrays king Christian X of Denmark wearing the yellow badge on his daily morning horseback ride through the streets of Copenhagen, followed by non-Jewish Danes responding to their king's example, thus preventing the Germans from identifying Jewish citizens. Queen Margrethe II of Denmark has explained that the story was not true.[26][27] No order requiring Jews to wear identifying marks was ever introduced in Denmark.[28]
1941, June 4
Jews in Independent State of Croatia ordered to wear "Jewish insignia".[29]
1941, July
Jewish Poles in German-occupied Soviet-annexed Poland, Jewish Lithuanians, Latvians and Estonians as well as Soviet Jews in German-occupied areas were obliged to wear white armbands or yellow badges.
1941, August 8
All Romanian Jews were ordered to wear the yellow badge.[30]
1941, August 13
The yellow badge was the only standardised identifying mark in the German-occupied East; other signs were forbidden.
1941, September 1
Jewish Germans and Jews with citizenship of annexed states (Austrians, Czechs, Danzigers) from the age of six years were ordered to wear the yellow badge when in public.[31]
1941, September 9
Slovakia ordered its Jews to wear yellow badges.
1941/1942
Romania started to force Jews in newly annexed territories, denied Romanian citizenship, to wear the yellow badge.

Two Jewish women in Occupied Paris in June 1942 wearing Star of David badges as required by Nazi authorities.
1942, March 13
The Gestapo ordered Jewish Germans and Jews with citizenship of annexed states to mark their apartments or houses at the front door with a white badge.[32]
1942, April 29
Jewish Dutch people forced to wear the yellow badge.
1942, June 3
Jewish Belgians forced to wear the yellow badge.
1942, June 7
Jews in occupied France were ordered to wear a yellow star, but the Vichy Regime refused to comply with that.
1942, August
With the German annexation of Luxembourg, the yellow badge was introduced there.
1942, August
Under German pressure, Bulgaria ordered its Jewish citizens to wear small yellow buttons, but contravention was not prosecuted.
1942, November
With the occupation of the French Zone libre Jews there were also forced to wear the yellow badge.
1944, March 31
After the occupation of Hungary, the German occupants ordered Jewish Hungarians and Jews with defunct other citizenships (Czechoslovakian, Romanian, Yugoslavian) in Hungarian-annexed areas to wear the yellow badge.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_badge#Nazi_Europe

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