'Ed Miliband's Labour back in Michael Foot era' as party's MPs quit parliament

Tesstacious wrote:MORE than one in 10 Labour MPs is deserting the party at the next general election, the Sunday Express can reveal.  Twenty-eight Labour MPs, almost 11 per cent of the parliamentary party, have already announced they intend to stand down in May next year.  More than half, 17, have served as ministers and 12 voted for Ed Miliband as their leader in 2010.

Former Home Secretary David ­Blunkett yesterday became the latest to announce he is leaving Parliament and more are expected to quit in the months leading up to next year’s poll.

... Labour MP told the Sunday Express: “It is back to the Michael Foot era, if not worse, in terms of capability and the ability to lead. I am really struggling to think of a Labour MP who will have good things to say about him.” The MP said Mr Miliband’s leadership has been a factor in the ­decision taken by some to quit ­Parliament. He said: “You expect your leader to engage, sell their policies smartly and effectively and that is not what is happening. “He is aloof not just with politicians but also with business people, who he doesn’t engage with. That is becoming a real problem.”

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/484067/Labour-back-in-Michael-Foot-era-as-MPs-quit-parliament

scrat wrote:

Tesstacious wrote:MORE than one in 10 Labour MPs is deserting the party at the next general election, the Sunday Express can reveal.  Twenty-eight Labour MPs, almost 11 per cent of the parliamentary party, have already announced they intend to stand down in May next year.  More than half, 17, have served as ministers and 12 voted for Ed Miliband as their leader in 2010.

Former Home Secretary David ­Blunkett yesterday became the latest to announce he is leaving Parliament and more are expected to quit in the months leading up to next year’s poll.

... Labour MP told the Sunday Express: “It is back to the Michael Foot era, if not worse, in terms of capability and the ability to lead. I am really struggling to think of a Labour MP who will have good things to say about him.” The MP said Mr Miliband’s leadership has been a factor in the ­decision taken by some to quit ­Parliament. He said: “You expect your leader to engage, sell their policies smartly and effectively and that is not what is happening. “He is aloof not just with politicians but also with business people, who he doesn’t engage with. That is becoming a real problem.”

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/484067/Labour-back-in-Michael-Foot-era-as-MPs-quit-parliament

11% that's sounds like natural selection to me! out with the old in with the new.

Tesstacious wrote:

scrat wrote:
11% that's sounds like natural selection to me! out with the old in with the new.

I don't think Milliband's a product of natural selection; more a case of freak of nature.  Shouldn't be cruel I know...

  

scrat wrote:

Tesstacious wrote:
I don't think Milliband's a product of natural selection; more a case of freak of nature.  Shouldn't be cruel I know...

  

He does struggle to come across well and unless Labour start to offer some radical alternatives, his struggle will continue.

I don't think Wallace is a bad leader, the media are doing their best to fuck up his "capitalism light"agenda.

Get some decent policies like taxing the rich till they squeal and then tax them some more and nationalising the banks, we've been propping them all up long enough.

Tommy Monk wrote:Tax the rich and tax them some more?
That worked well for Hollande didn't it.....

Tommy Monk wrote:It's a race to The bottom Scrat.....


Firstly we all know that labour only raised the top rate a couple of months before they left govt after 13 years of leaving it unchanged.


And as a result GOT LESS MONEY!!!!



Taxing income is one thing but what are you suggesting?

Just reaching into peoples bank accounts and grabbing handfulls of their personal savings/wealth???



People who have a few quid will just leave or put their money else where. Which is no good for anyone except thenew country or people who they move their money to.


Plus what incentive is there to work hard and try to achieve better earnings or save hard to build up a wad of cash, if govt will just take it off you just to hand it out in over generous benefits to those who can't be bothered?

Tommy Monk wrote:Firstly you do not know how much is lost to tax evasion.


Of course I am not a supporter of tax evasion.


That is a different subject to just hiking up tax rates, and You didn't address my points.



Secondly, you think it is ok for 4 families to be claiming nearly half a million pounds a year in benefit?


It's only a few just doesn't cut it Scrat!


How many were claiming £90k, or £80k £or £70k???


You think it is ok for anybody to be able to claim more in state handouts of tax payers money than most get by working hard every day and are paying for it?

Tommy Monk wrote:Again you Are answering a question that I wasn't asking.

Plus your 'source' for the 260million a day is a blog And The writer admits that The figures are just 'his estimate'....




I have already said I am against tax evasion so why are not still persisting with this straw man argument???






Firstly we all know that labour only raised the top rate a couple of months before they left govt after 13 years of leaving it unchanged.


And as a result GOT LESS MONEY!!!!



Taxing income is one thing but what are you suggesting?

Just reaching into peoples bank accounts and grabbing handfulls of their personal savings/wealth???



People who have a few quid will just leave or put their money else where. Which is no good for anyone except thenew country or people who they move their money to.


Plus what incentive is there to work hard and try to achieve better earnings or save hard to build up a wad of cash, if govt will just take it off you just to hand it out in over generous benefits to those who can't be bothered?







Secondly, you think it is ok for 4 families to be claiming nearly half a million pounds a year in benefit?


It's only a few just doesn't cut it Scrat!


How many were claiming £90k, or £80k £or £70k???


You think it is ok for anybody to be able to claim more in state handouts of tax payers money than most get by working hard every day and are paying for it?

Tommy Monk wrote:It is labour lefties like you who have a complete lack of understanding on economics and taxation Scrat.



Happy to hand out £50, 60 ,70, 80, 90, 100k a year in benefits to those who refuse to work and have those who do work getting taxed more to pay for it.


You are really disgusting, and most on here don't even bother to challenge or even combat your views.

What makes me feel really sad, is that some people that i really trusted, and let into confidence(S)....In the end they have turned out to be RW scum.